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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.09.27 09:37:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Good afternoon capsuleers  Some of you who've been on Singularity may have noticed that the officially hosted language have vanished from the channel listing in the client. Previously we've supported a total of 39 language channels in game, however over the course of the last 12 months or so we have had a rise in the number of complaints regarding politically motivated trolling and inappropriate content being displayed in them. With most of these languages having no official support from CCP, this means that investigating and answering tickets of this nature from these channels is sometimes not possible due to a significant language barrier. This is contrary to our policy of moderating and enforcing our terms of service (in particular the sections on player conduct) in persistent CCP hosted channels within the EVE client. As such, with Oceanus we'll be removing the officially hosted language based channels from the EVE Online client, and only the help channels for our officially supported languages will remain. We'd like to let you all know in advance, and invite you to create your own player run language channels after the Oceanus release is deployed in order to continue discussions in your native languages if you wish to do so. - F <3
Or i dunno , you could have a standard MOTD in every channel that they are not moderated/supported .
People are free to open/close them when they feel like it.I hardly ever go to the dutch language channel because i find it too much epeening and kiddietalk , however i find it a verry bad idea to remove it completely because of the reasons you stated.These channels are a huge asset to new players in a complex game as they can ask questions and get answers in their own language wich should uncomplicate it a lot more.I'd sooner close the rookie help channel then the language channels if i had to choose from wich new players have the biggest advantage in getting to know the ropes in eve.
What's next , removing general dicsussion forum because it needs way more moderation then the other parts of the forum ?
But on the other side why should i care , i don't go to these language channels and hardly play the game any more ... /shrug
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.09.27 13:31:00 -
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And people say us bittervets don't think about the newbro's .... guess we learned that from CCP itself eh.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.09.28 11:56:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Anyhow ... still only page 11. Either the rest of the people do not care enough,
or those people who care fail at properly rallying the masses.
Which one is it?
The change will mostly hurt/impact newbs hence the verry low response .
It's a bad day when a bittervet , who at this point wouldn't care much if eve did shut down tomorrow , that he feels more concerned about the newbro's then CCP and most other people who still like to play for that matter.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.09.29 12:26:00 -
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Desalmada Nolen wrote:Endo Dy wrote:The argument that you as CCP can't support 39 language channels due to the language barrier is totally understandable. Yet as this thread shows all to well is that these channels provide alot of people help and a place they can communicate in their own language. The obvious problem with deleting these channels and having people create their own channels will be that new players will not find the most used one. Also the creators of said channels will have moderators without "neutral EVE glasses" on if you get my drift. Why not simply stop officially supporting the language channels yet keep them? Warn people before joining the channel that the content is not moderated by CCP and/or program it in the MOTD of these channels. Channels remain, CCP not flooded by tickets. Problem solved  Great argument, much better simply to inform the chat is not moderated and continue keeping the chats
And the odd thing is I and others with me have sugggested this exact thing in this thread before , so seems a lot of the players can see the easy solution here.And yet , CCP seems this idea is not worthy so decided to just remove it all together.
The question here really is , are you more afraid of new/trial people joining these channels and not accepting the MOTD as a rule that it is not moderated and as such quit the game because of trolling/words OR do you feel that a complete lack of these channels will keep a lot of players from not exteding their trial period.
CCP's cash is on the first one , my cash is on the latter one , newbro's who don't have english as their main language will leave the game a lot easier as it is harder for them to get answers to their questions in their own language.And that's jjust in the channel itself , i think a big amount of players also find their first corporation in these types of channels to keep their learning of eve as a whole mostly in their native language before setting foot out in the eve world .
Anyway that's the last i'll say about it .CCP hasn't repsonded yet after creating this thread and i doubt they even feel the need to as it's only reached page 14 so far.And why should it reach more pages , it will mostly hurt the newbro's.
Who needs fresh blood eh , we can keep this game running on 10 accounts each for many many years to come right .. right ?
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.09.30 11:54:00 -
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Still amazed this only reached page 15 so far .
Just goes to show most players only give a damn about what effects their own playstyle and don't give a crap about the new influx untill they can be a means to an end for them.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.10.01 21:08:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:New players are being punished without them even knowing.
Killing an idea is worse than anything else!
Ah well look at it on the bright side , page 68 and counting on the day the thread is created for the new ''power projection nerf'' off capitals .
Yup , we got such a great community mostly looking out for the newbs and not our own ass .... 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.10.01 22:23:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:flakeys wrote:Solecist Project wrote:New players are being punished without them even knowing.
Killing an idea is worse than anything else! Ah well look at it on the bright side , page 68 and counting on the day the thread is created for the new ''power projection nerf'' off capitals . Yup , we got such a great community mostly looking out for the newbs and not our own ass .... People have stopped caring about the issue of the next person. Minds infected by decadence. They forget that at one point, they too, will be the next person. Making things happen together is easy ... ... the hard part is making the "together" happen.
The foreign language channel change did/does not have any impact on me as i rarely visit it andd mostly know it from the days when i was new to eve yet i felt the need to stand up for the newbro as most of them can't stand up for themselves as they haven't even discovered the game yet.When i noticed the lack of posts this thread had gotten i was ''shocked'' and after a few days i could only hope that they made a change that would hugely impact the veteran players as some kind of retaliation to their ignorance.
I got a LOT more then i asked for , that i can assure you.
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.10.02 11:34:00 -
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Darkblad wrote:Solecist Project wrote:flakeys wrote:hope that they made a change that would hugely impact the veteran players as some kind of retaliation to their ignorance.
I got a LOT more then i asked for , that i can assure you. A lot more? What would that be? Did I miss anything? We can do much more, if we keep sticking together ... ... independent of the issue. Want to join in? I think he meant that veteran players got a lot more retaliations for their ignorance than he could hope for. And they did.
Yup , spot on .
On a sidenote about us merging together into fluid exchanges .. i dunno solecist , let me think about that for a few years before i can give an answer  .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.10.04 14:08:00 -
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Vaari wrote:Ancient amarr, also called finnish speaking society has not experienced any kind of political motivated violations. Why do you remove ALL channels if heretical, also called russian and ukraine speaking idiots insult ach others?
You forgot to add the ironic part where they kept the russian help channel intact .
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
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Posted - 2014.10.07 18:21:00 -
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Kyllsa Siikanen wrote:
I have NEVER seen a political argument run for more than 2 lines in the Spanish channel, and I can count on one hand the number of political comments I have seen there at all.
Exactly the same for the dutch channel.Sure there is trolling and name calling every now and then but i have not witnessed one channel in eve that doesn't have this either.
There is a fine line between poking at each other or beating the **** out of each other and i can say that the dutch channel had some poking the times i went there however we didn't have any ''casualties of words''.
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.10.10 18:48:12 -
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Creme Fraiche wrote:Well this was bad news, half of the fun with EVE is the swedish chat.
I have to agree , the best part in the muppets show allways was when the swedish chef entered the spotlight ...
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flakeys
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Posted - 2014.11.22 18:57:33 -
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Karunel wrote:Just came back to the game, decided to hop on the Spanish channel to ask around, see if I could find some old faces and get to know how they were faring and if their current corporations were interesting. Gone.
I don't really think you understand the full implications of what you did by removing language channels. The fact that it's been two months and you still don't get it doesn't exactly make for a good impression regarding your supossed improvements on listening to and reacting to what EVE players want.
It's not something they are going to undo , that much is clear by their lack of response.
They might have launched an awsome vid to attract new players today , but once these guys are in the game and don't find help/friends in their own native language a LOAD of them are going to walk off again without seeing what eve can be.CCP seems to have forgotten how long it takes to get to the fun part in this game and that having friends/people who can help you pass that time in your own language alone is a HUGE factor in keeping you interested in the first months.
Such a shame ...
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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