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Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. What they have said is that the programmers don't do graphics etc. If they really have split it into bugfix/feature, then it's quite scary because that way ppl will not learn from their mistakes. Well, most new content (ships, missions etc) are largely the work of the content department, with occasional programmer support. Most bugs are largely due to code problems, hence will be the realm of the programming department, with some input from design when a gameplay decision has to be made. So the bugfix vs new feature balance falls out because of that. As to the whole Kali vs Fix argument, look back at the other big patches. Sure, they have had their headline features, but there have been loads of fixes in there too, you just need to read a bit further down the patch notes to find them. And of course, new features can also act as a fix. Take system scanning as a case in point. At this point there would be no point developing and releasing a fix for the existing system, because the entire thing is going to get replaced anyway. There's also the issue that some bugs may be so deeply rooted in the code that only a complete replacement of the system would allow them to be fixed. In which case it makes sense to look at the game design element at the same time to see if there's anything that could be improved feature-wise at the same time. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Lemming Merangue	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:57:00 - [32] Well TBH the bug fixes are always ongoing. No matter what the Devs do they will NEVER get the game completely rid of bugs. Its just not possible for the money they are charging us. Please spare us the "I would pay sooo much more if it worked properly" comments heard em before and an extra $5-$10 per month probably isn't going to do it. The name of the game here is to keep bugs at a reasonable level for the cost. and CCP do that admirably IMHO. Kali? New stuff = new interest for the current players and shiny stuff to attract new players with. Its good and it HAS to be done if Eve is to survive as a business. If you dont add new content the player numbers will dwindle meaning less money to pay programmers to fix bugs and inventnew content.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Matthew stuff Of course. It's just that it's a bit annoying when some bugs that should have been fixed ages ago still haven't even made it to the list of known bugs.
Michayel Lyon Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Kalix? Kalix. Cold and desolate. No thanks. But perhaps Fixli.
Tamu Vos Gallente Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Desaria Hold on a second.... you're saying... they actually have two seperate teams? within CCP?? yup team A, new material developers, a bunch of evil geniuses intent on creating buggy content team B, the bug fixers, a room filled with chained up moneys working at macs :) ____________________ Your ego is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Tamu Vos
Caethes Adain Minmatar The Descendents	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:33:00 - [36] hehehe, this pops up before nearly all patches. This has probably been pointed out by someone else, but different devs do different things. Also, if there were no content upgrades due to bugs, we'd still only have frigs, cruisers and bs's with very little content to keep people involved. People dissapoint me. End my dissapointment.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:16:00 - [37] Kali... what Kali ? As I understand it all that is left of the kali features is a new escrow system and the option to paint punishers red :P /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
two2litres	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:51:00 - [38] most game companies have seperate teams working on different aspects of the game.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Zaldiri I think Kali is needed to solve a lot of the bugs. The'll be replaced by new bugs. (Murphy's law anyone?) But the new content will hopefully bring back the long forgotten backstories and give this place a little more soul. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.
Tarri FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:31:00 - [40] Fix the damn game first please!!!! ----
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Matthew stuff Of course. It's just that it's a bit annoying when some bugs that should have been fixed ages ago still haven't even made it to the list of known bugs. Well, Mephysto's blog on bugs, defects etc suggested that there are at any time in the region of 1000 outstanding known bugs. There are considerably less than 1000 bullet points on the known issues list. Just because it doesn't appear on that list doesn't mean it's not know about. Even knowing a bug exists doesn't mean that it's easy to fix - what seems like a simple thing from the user's side can turn out to be a nightmare from the programmer's side. And even if there is a simple fix when looking at that issue alone, it may not be a usable fix because of wider issues (e.g. there are very simple ways of making BPO's and BPC's a different colour, but implementing them would result in crippling load on the DB). And of course everyone has their own list of pet bugs that they believe are important and should be fixed first. But really, the bugs any single player knows about will only be a small subset of all the bugs. If those are pushed further down the priority list, there will be a good reason for it. One thing that does puzzle me is the tendancy on these forums to the belief that the Devs somehow want their game to be buggy, that they deliberately introduce and leave in bugs, or get some sadistic pleasure out of torturing players through bugs. And then there's the accompanying belief that if enough people post on the forums about it, the fix will somehow magic itself out of thin air for them. Strange though it may sound to some of you, Oveur is not sitting in his secret volcano lair, Dr Evil style, going "One miiiilion bugs". ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
The Rincewind	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Hellspawn01 We are all waiting for kali for some months now and tbh, I dont really feel like it should come now. On the other hand, a new expension brings new things and new stuff that makes the game more enjoyable. But what if its better to concentrate on bugs and problems with mods and ships? Another big fix for the current build would help more than a new build with other bugs and the current one¦s (some get removed as always ). What do you think? Kali or a Fix. Year true i m still anoyed about the wrong display informations of the capacitor view. Hope it get fixed with the beginning of Kali
X ChaosX Caldari Sector 7	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:52:00 - [43] Originally by: The Rincewind Originally by: Hellspawn01 We are all waiting for kali for some months now and tbh, I dont really feel like it should come now. On the other hand, a new expension brings new things and new stuff that makes the game more enjoyable. But what if its better to concentrate on bugs and problems with mods and ships? Another big fix for the current build would help more than a new build with other bugs and the current one¦s (some get removed as always ). What do you think? Kali or a Fix. Year true i m still anoyed about the wrong display informations of the capacitor view. Hope it get fixed with the beginning of Kali Yeah the bugged capacitor is annoying. I thought it was only me but Im relieved to know it isnt a problem on my side( at least I think it isnt). One of the scariest sounds in the middle of the fight is "Your capacitor is empty". Seconded only by the sound of your own ship blowing up.

Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:05:00 - [44] there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff.

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Really looking forward to it. Will you guys be able to deploy it in september as stated? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? SCNR --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Tachy Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? You never miss out on a chance to whine to the devs, do you....personally i think you might need a break from the game to start appriciating it again. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? SCNR Like maybe that's why it's still on the test server? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Matthew [...] Like maybe that's why it's still on the test server? The Dragon code is running pretty fine on the Chinese serverfarm. At least that's what I read and heard. It has more pilots online than Tranquility, and those are less spread out at the moment - according to official sources within ccp. I know it, Jim knows it and you know it too - at least you posted in the respective thread to those devblogs. And the fantastic, improved font still applies low pressure in huge quantities. There are 2x3 devs working on it according to official sources - for roughly 9 months. Time to come down, isn't it? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:06:00 - [50] Fixes are better than shiney new stuff that does not work. Earth First! We will strip-mine the other planets later.
Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. Yeah. Because Windows 95 was codenamed Cairo. And Windows 98 was codenamed Cairo, too. And Windows 2K - Cairo. And XP. Or should I say Cairo? And Windows Vista? Also Cairo. Nah. /me shows that theory the Longhorn --
CB Cyrix GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. Yeah. Because Windows 95 was codenamed Cairo. And Windows 98 was codenamed Cairo, too. And Windows 2K - Cairo. And XP. Or should I say Cairo? And Windows Vista? Also Cairo. Nah. /me shows that theory the Longhorn An-on a min, the new dragon code means windows 2k users cant play eve? This is news to me? WTF!? -Taking his YARR Pills Since 2003-
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:18:00 - [53] The current test build doesn't work under Win2k. I haven't heard of that being a problem with the Chinese server, so they're probably stumbling over something like the new DirectX-patches. And they have a limit on the number of pilots logged in that is really small. Both wont happen when we get the client patched up to the Dragon Code. I hope. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
CB Cyrix GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:26:00 - [54] Do we have any official links or posts etc, or a dev post here or something? Does the dragon code work on windows 2000? -Taking his YARR Pills Since 2003-

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Tachy The current test build doesn't work under Win2k. I haven't heard of that being a problem with the Chinese server, so they're probably stumbling over something like the new DirectX-patches. And they have a limit on the number of pilots logged in that is really small. Both wont happen when we get the client patched up to the Dragon Code. I hope. The limit on Sisi is designed to stop it falling over when too many people try to use it. Like it did the other day eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:46:00 - [56] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 16:46:43 Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 07/08/2006 15:26:37 Do we have any official links or posts etc, or a dev post here or something? Does the dragon code work on windows 2000? Coz the last study showed that 38% of eve players are using win2k, and 3% are win98se... 38% using windows 2000? Thats sounds way too high. I dont think Microsoft will even support it for much longer. I realize that businesses might stick with it, but there is really no reason for gamers to still use it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:53:00 - [57] About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Tachy About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. People are crazy... you can even get the Win2k look in WinXP if you like it so much. And WinXP is very stable these days. I wouldnt want to use a operating system that is 6 years old and hardly supported anymore. What is the point really... Soon someone will bash me with how excellent Windows 95 still works, I bet. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dak Hakin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:21:00 - [59] I am quite a fan of XP. I hardly have any problems myself. Course I'm not downloading bit torrent or anything like that either. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Tachy About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. Like say, wireless. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson

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