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Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:50:00 - [1] We are all waiting for kali for some months now and tbh, I dont really feel like it should come now. On the other hand, a new expension brings new things and new stuff that makes the game more enjoyable. But what if its better to concentrate on bugs and problems with mods and ships? Another big fix for the current build would help more than a new build with other bugs and the current one¦s (some get removed as always ). What do you think? Kali or a Fix. Ship lovers click here
Sirial Soulfly	Posted - 2006.08.06 15:53:00 - [2] As far as I understood it we are having the cake and eating it too. Some devs are constantly working on fixes while new features are being developed by other ones.
Meridas Max Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:01:00 - [3] Nice thing is that with the right team you can do both, so I vote for kali and fixes.
Adoro Caldari Reunited	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:05:00 - [4] Kali :) I dont have much bugs ingame, or I know how to solve them so...
Jenny Spitfire Caldari LoneStar Industries Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:06:00 - [5] Kalix? ---------------- Cruelty is God's way of showing kindness.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:08:00 - [6] They have to introduce new content to keep the game interesting. So you cant really pick between bug fixing and new content. Both are needed. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:12:00 - [7] Months? Heh, Kali has now been in the works for years. Yes, we need Kali, EVE is starting to stagnate. Yes we need bug fixes, some of them are so old they've got Senior Citizens bus passes. What we don't need is wasted time on money on useless crap like CCGs
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.06 16:14:00 - [8] Kali replaces so many parts of the existing EVE that your poll is totally redundant. The devs will have a boatload of fresh and livid bugs to fix ... --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Zaldiri Caldari Automated Industries	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:12:00 - [9] I think Kali is needed to solve a lot of the bugs. ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:15:00 - [10] I want improved system scanning. Hopefully it rocks. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate

Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:25:00 - [11] Edited by: Novarei on 06/08/2006 17:25:04 Daddy or chips?
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:32:00 - [12] There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. -- [THARS] is recruiting 1 ebil pirate. Be the one!
Chip2k3 Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:34:00 - [13] Originally by: Novarei Edited by: Novarei on 06/08/2006 17:25:04 Daddy or chips? Chips Yarr!!
Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. I always liked shiva better.
Novarei The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists i for one would prefer to have ccp fixing the pos stuff and varius other things, before they spend all the time on kali. If by 'fix' you mean 'remove' then I agree 100%.
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:35:00 - [16] i for one would prefer to have ccp fixing the pos stuff and varius other things, before they spend all the time on kali. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
EnEs TaLuNdZiC	Posted - 2006.08.06 17:51:00 - [17] The way I see it, IT SHOULD ALREADY HAVE BEEN RELEASED!!!!!!!!! WTF CCP GET A GRIP ALREADY Don't just make promises, Kali this year or next year, ohh w8, next year has already passed!
Doomed Predator Xoth Inc Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:08:00 - [18] Originally by: Jim McGregor I want improved system scanning. Hopefully it rocks. same here Nuh unh. Too big. 400w x 120h are the limits. --Jorauk
Argenton Sayvers	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:21:00 - [19] The way they "fixed" the font after RMR and the blood patch - kali. At least it will be bugged new content instead of old content bugged in a new way ;)
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:21:00 - [20] Originally by: Tachy Kali replaces so many parts of the existing EVE that your poll is totally redundant. The devs will have a boatload of fresh and livid bugs to fix ... QTF The new scanner, new ship models, contract system, and a few others will be nice. Oh and factional warfare should be fun.

Kate Darieux Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:26:00 - [21] I'm hoping that Kali itself will bring a lot of fixes for the problems we currently have, while adding a lot of content too. Or maybe that's just wishful thinking...
Constantinee Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:35:00 - [22] Kali with more fixes and Exotic Dancers x) Want a Cheap sig?
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:43:00 - [23] I would rather have 1 working feature than 10 that don't work, so I vote for fixes. Please start with the overview.
Gamer4liff Caldari Metalworks THE INTERSTELLAR FOUNDRY	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:50:00 - [24] This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree.
CrayC Gallente CrayC Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.06 18:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. Wrong. First there was Castor. Then came Shiva. On its way is Kali. After that, another codename for the next big expansion. After that, several more are planned, but ALWAYS with a new codename...
Desaria	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:26:00 - [26] Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. Hold on a second.... you're saying... they actually have two seperate teams? within CCP?? RABLE RABLE RABLE I want my Hurricane (or whatever they're calling the mini bc)!!!
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. What they have said is that the programmers don't do graphics etc. If they really have split it into bugfix/feature, then it's quite scary because that way ppl will not learn from their mistakes.
Deja Thoris Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:43:00 - [28] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. What they have said is that the programmers don't do graphics etc. If they really have split it into bugfix/feature, then it's quite scary because that way ppl will not learn from their mistakes. If the choice is between you and CCP to allocate resources I think I'll pick CCP thanks
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.06 19:45:00 - [29] Originally by: Deja Thoris Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. What they have said is that the programmers don't do graphics etc. If they really have split it into bugfix/feature, then it's quite scary because that way ppl will not learn from their mistakes. If the choice is between you and CCP to allocate resources I think I'll pick CCP thanks bah Armchair "professional statements" 4tw
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.06 20:38:00 - [30] let me the first to say that I want a bugfix for Kali ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.

Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:38:00 - [31] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Gamer4liff This has been said by the DEVs so many times it makes my head hurt repeating it. The people on the bughunting team are NOT the same people who are developing new content. Different branches of the CCP tree. What they have said is that the programmers don't do graphics etc. If they really have split it into bugfix/feature, then it's quite scary because that way ppl will not learn from their mistakes. Well, most new content (ships, missions etc) are largely the work of the content department, with occasional programmer support. Most bugs are largely due to code problems, hence will be the realm of the programming department, with some input from design when a gameplay decision has to be made. So the bugfix vs new feature balance falls out because of that. As to the whole Kali vs Fix argument, look back at the other big patches. Sure, they have had their headline features, but there have been loads of fixes in there too, you just need to read a bit further down the patch notes to find them. And of course, new features can also act as a fix. Take system scanning as a case in point. At this point there would be no point developing and releasing a fix for the existing system, because the entire thing is going to get replaced anyway. There's also the issue that some bugs may be so deeply rooted in the code that only a complete replacement of the system would allow them to be fixed. In which case it makes sense to look at the game design element at the same time to see if there's anything that could be improved feature-wise at the same time. ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Lemming Merangue	Posted - 2006.08.06 21:57:00 - [32] Well TBH the bug fixes are always ongoing. No matter what the Devs do they will NEVER get the game completely rid of bugs. Its just not possible for the money they are charging us. Please spare us the "I would pay sooo much more if it worked properly" comments heard em before and an extra $5-$10 per month probably isn't going to do it. The name of the game here is to keep bugs at a reasonable level for the cost. and CCP do that admirably IMHO. Kali? New stuff = new interest for the current players and shiny stuff to attract new players with. Its good and it HAS to be done if Eve is to survive as a business. If you dont add new content the player numbers will dwindle meaning less money to pay programmers to fix bugs and inventnew content.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:21:00 - [33] Originally by: Matthew stuff Of course. It's just that it's a bit annoying when some bugs that should have been fixed ages ago still haven't even made it to the list of known bugs.
Michayel Lyon Gallente Mercantile Exchange	Posted - 2006.08.06 22:28:00 - [34] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Kalix? Kalix. Cold and desolate. No thanks. But perhaps Fixli.
Tamu Vos Gallente Guardians of Hell's Gate Tactical Narcotics Team	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:11:00 - [35] Originally by: Desaria Hold on a second.... you're saying... they actually have two seperate teams? within CCP?? yup team A, new material developers, a bunch of evil geniuses intent on creating buggy content team B, the bug fixers, a room filled with chained up moneys working at macs :) ____________________ Your ego is too large! Please resize it according to the forum guidelines. Tamu Vos
Caethes Adain Minmatar The Descendents	Posted - 2006.08.06 23:33:00 - [36] hehehe, this pops up before nearly all patches. This has probably been pointed out by someone else, but different devs do different things. Also, if there were no content upgrades due to bugs, we'd still only have frigs, cruisers and bs's with very little content to keep people involved. People dissapoint me. End my dissapointment.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:16:00 - [37] Kali... what Kali ? As I understand it all that is left of the kali features is a new escrow system and the option to paint punishers red :P /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
two2litres	Posted - 2006.08.07 00:51:00 - [38] most game companies have seperate teams working on different aspects of the game.
fuze Gallente Chosen Path Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:16:00 - [39] Originally by: Zaldiri I think Kali is needed to solve a lot of the bugs. The'll be replaced by new bugs. (Murphy's law anyone?) But the new content will hopefully bring back the long forgotten backstories and give this place a little more soul. We ain't got balls, but plenty of nuts.
Tarri FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:31:00 - [40] Fix the damn game first please!!!! ----

Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.07 07:57:00 - [41] Originally by: Scorpyn Originally by: Matthew stuff Of course. It's just that it's a bit annoying when some bugs that should have been fixed ages ago still haven't even made it to the list of known bugs. Well, Mephysto's blog on bugs, defects etc suggested that there are at any time in the region of 1000 outstanding known bugs. There are considerably less than 1000 bullet points on the known issues list. Just because it doesn't appear on that list doesn't mean it's not know about. Even knowing a bug exists doesn't mean that it's easy to fix - what seems like a simple thing from the user's side can turn out to be a nightmare from the programmer's side. And even if there is a simple fix when looking at that issue alone, it may not be a usable fix because of wider issues (e.g. there are very simple ways of making BPO's and BPC's a different colour, but implementing them would result in crippling load on the DB). And of course everyone has their own list of pet bugs that they believe are important and should be fixed first. But really, the bugs any single player knows about will only be a small subset of all the bugs. If those are pushed further down the priority list, there will be a good reason for it. One thing that does puzzle me is the tendancy on these forums to the belief that the Devs somehow want their game to be buggy, that they deliberately introduce and leave in bugs, or get some sadistic pleasure out of torturing players through bugs. And then there's the accompanying belief that if enough people post on the forums about it, the fix will somehow magic itself out of thin air for them. Strange though it may sound to some of you, Oveur is not sitting in his secret volcano lair, Dr Evil style, going "One miiiilion bugs". ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
The Rincewind	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:02:00 - [42] Originally by: Hellspawn01 We are all waiting for kali for some months now and tbh, I dont really feel like it should come now. On the other hand, a new expension brings new things and new stuff that makes the game more enjoyable. But what if its better to concentrate on bugs and problems with mods and ships? Another big fix for the current build would help more than a new build with other bugs and the current one¦s (some get removed as always ). What do you think? Kali or a Fix. Year true i m still anoyed about the wrong display informations of the capacitor view. Hope it get fixed with the beginning of Kali
X ChaosX Caldari Sector 7	Posted - 2006.08.07 09:52:00 - [43] Originally by: The Rincewind Originally by: Hellspawn01 We are all waiting for kali for some months now and tbh, I dont really feel like it should come now. On the other hand, a new expension brings new things and new stuff that makes the game more enjoyable. But what if its better to concentrate on bugs and problems with mods and ships? Another big fix for the current build would help more than a new build with other bugs and the current one¦s (some get removed as always ). What do you think? Kali or a Fix. Year true i m still anoyed about the wrong display informations of the capacitor view. Hope it get fixed with the beginning of Kali Yeah the bugged capacitor is annoying. I thought it was only me but Im relieved to know it isnt a problem on my side( at least I think it isnt). One of the scariest sounds in the middle of the fight is "Your capacitor is empty". Seconded only by the sound of your own ship blowing up.

Sharkbait	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:05:00 - [44] there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff.

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:07:00 - [45] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Really looking forward to it. Will you guys be able to deploy it in september as stated? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:28:00 - [46] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? SCNR --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:30:00 - [47] Originally by: Tachy Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? You never miss out on a chance to whine to the devs, do you....personally i think you might need a break from the game to start appriciating it again. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Matthew Caldari BloodStar Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:30:00 - [48] Originally by: Tachy Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. Like getting rid of the Win2k-users, no change to the font and a limit of 100 pilots logged in at one time? SCNR Like maybe that's why it's still on the test server? ------- There is no magic Wand of Fixing, and it is not powered by forum whines.
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 11:41:00 - [49] Originally by: Matthew [...] Like maybe that's why it's still on the test server? The Dragon code is running pretty fine on the Chinese serverfarm. At least that's what I read and heard. It has more pilots online than Tranquility, and those are less spread out at the moment - according to official sources within ccp. I know it, Jim knows it and you know it too - at least you posted in the respective thread to those devblogs. And the fantastic, improved font still applies low pressure in huge quantities. There are 2x3 devs working on it according to official sources - for roughly 9 months. Time to come down, isn't it? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Price Watcher	Posted - 2006.08.07 12:06:00 - [50] Fixes are better than shiney new stuff that does not work. Earth First! We will strip-mine the other planets later.

Cheyenne Shadowborn Caldari Citizens of E.A.R.T.H. E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2006.08.07 14:58:00 - [51] Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. Yeah. Because Windows 95 was codenamed Cairo. And Windows 98 was codenamed Cairo, too. And Windows 2K - Cairo. And XP. Or should I say Cairo? And Windows Vista? Also Cairo. Nah. /me shows that theory the Longhorn --
CB Cyrix GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:10:00 - [52] Originally by: Cheyenne Shadowborn Originally by: Kitty O'Shay There is no Kali. "Kali" is the name of the next expansion/release. When we get Kali, it won't be named "Kali" it'll be called something else. The expansion after that will then be referred to as "Kali" once again. Kali never comes, but it's always next. Yeah. Because Windows 95 was codenamed Cairo. And Windows 98 was codenamed Cairo, too. And Windows 2K - Cairo. And XP. Or should I say Cairo? And Windows Vista? Also Cairo. Nah. /me shows that theory the Longhorn An-on a min, the new dragon code means windows 2k users cant play eve? This is news to me? WTF!? -Taking his YARR Pills Since 2003-
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:18:00 - [53] The current test build doesn't work under Win2k. I haven't heard of that being a problem with the Chinese server, so they're probably stumbling over something like the new DirectX-patches. And they have a limit on the number of pilots logged in that is really small. Both wont happen when we get the client patched up to the Dragon Code. I hope. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
CB Cyrix GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.07 15:26:00 - [54] Do we have any official links or posts etc, or a dev post here or something? Does the dragon code work on windows 2000? -Taking his YARR Pills Since 2003-

wystler Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:05:00 - [55] Originally by: Tachy The current test build doesn't work under Win2k. I haven't heard of that being a problem with the Chinese server, so they're probably stumbling over something like the new DirectX-patches. And they have a limit on the number of pilots logged in that is really small. Both wont happen when we get the client patched up to the Dragon Code. I hope. The limit on Sisi is designed to stop it falling over when too many people try to use it. Like it did the other day eve-crc.net \| forum rules \| c.a.o.d forum rules \| [email protected] Official keeper of the smilie. Yarr!

Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:46:00 - [56] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 16:46:43 Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 07/08/2006 15:26:37 Do we have any official links or posts etc, or a dev post here or something? Does the dragon code work on windows 2000? Coz the last study showed that 38% of eve players are using win2k, and 3% are win98se... 38% using windows 2000? Thats sounds way too high. I dont think Microsoft will even support it for much longer. I realize that businesses might stick with it, but there is really no reason for gamers to still use it. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 16:53:00 - [57] About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:09:00 - [58] Originally by: Tachy About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. People are crazy... you can even get the Win2k look in WinXP if you like it so much. And WinXP is very stable these days. I wouldnt want to use a operating system that is 6 years old and hardly supported anymore. What is the point really... Soon someone will bash me with how excellent Windows 95 still works, I bet. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Dak Hakin Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:21:00 - [59] I am quite a fan of XP. I hardly have any problems myself. Course I'm not downloading bit torrent or anything like that either. _______________________________________________ I am the devil, and I'm here to do the devils work.
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:22:00 - [60] Originally by: Tachy About 40% reflects the data from a friend running a computer support shop. There's no reason to change from Win2k to XP unless you have to use some equipment that has no Win2k-drivers. Like say, wireless. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson

Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.07 17:36:00 - [61] Edited by: Tachy on 07/08/2006 17:37:46 Originally by: Jim McGregor [...] Win2k is as close to its official end of lifecycle as XP. It isn't less secure. It isn't less stable. I don't care for the look as long as the OS does what I want it to do. Why should I dish out extra money for an OS that does exactly the same (as or less fast) as the one I have right here? Wireless? My DSL access is about 30cm from my bigtower. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
St Dragon Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.07 18:18:00 - [62] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. OMG im comming out and i didnt even know ----------------------------------------------- "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions of men, and you are a conqueror. Kill them all, and you are a god." -- Jean Rostand
D'onryu Shoqui Gallente	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:21:00 - [63] omg hope they fix the win2k thing because im not buying xp just for a game!, win2k isnt even that different from xp as xp is baed on win2k. i could go out and buy XP but i choose not to because for me it offers no advantages , its alot more friendly but im used to win2k now and i would only end up making winxp look like win2k and disable most of the user friendly things anyway. got winxp on my laptop but only because i need media centre so i know what im not missing out on with my desktop. vista isnt that far off either i will buy that when it comes out but only because i will upgrade to dx10 when the new graphics cards are released near the end of the year or start or the start of next year. i would hate to miss out on eve until then especially considering there is no real reason to stop it working on win2k. even that game MS released that refused to install on win2k works if u copy a winxp install across to win2k
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:23:00 - [64] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 20:24:12 Im not sure why you guys buy windows. It must be the most pirated piece of software EVER. Just about any computer geek on the planet could probably give you a copy. I do have an original myself though... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Auldare S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:30:00 - [65] Tachy, i use win2k myself and can get on the test server ================================================
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:35:00 - [66] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 16:46:43 Originally by: CB Cyrix Edited by: CB Cyrix on 07/08/2006 15:26:37 Do we have any official links or posts etc, or a dev post here or something? Does the dragon code work on windows 2000? Coz the last study showed that 38% of eve players are using win2k, and 3% are win98se... 38% using windows 2000? Thats sounds way too high. I dont think Microsoft will even support it for much longer. I realize that businesses might stick with it, but there is really no reason for gamers to still use it. 2k was probably the best version of windows MS ever produced. Fast, stable, and a much smaller footprint that XP. I miss it. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:36:00 - [67] All I want are bug fixes and server optimization. The new content will be worthless if we still can't have large fights.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:40:00 - [68] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 20:40:49 Originally by: Shamis Orzoz All I want are bug fixes and server optimization. The new content will be worthless if we still can't have large fights. They say the dragon branch is better at handling it... I hope they are right. This game needs to be able to cope with large battles. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:40:00 - [69] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 20:39:51 Originally by: Avon 2k was probably the best version of windows MS ever produced. Fast, stable, and a much smaller footprint that XP. I miss it. I bet you will love WinXP once Vista shows up. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
DigitalCommunist Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:54:00 - [70] This is a trick question. Content or Fixes? What do you consider content and what do you consider fixes? Making old stuff better can be considered adding content to the game, then again, you can also say its been "fixed" from a less desirable position. I might want both, if you say it like that. If you consider content as new agent missions and tech 1 ships, and bug fixes as minor performance tweaks or ui work that I won't even notice.. then I'd say I don't want either. Still not tricky enough? What do you call the changes to map, scanning, local chat, instajumps and combat duration? Can you call it content because it makes the game more fun, or do you give credit to the players for creating the content. Can you say the changes would be fixes to a broken system, or simply improvements to working one? Kali being able to host 500 man fleet battles is pointless if theres no fun to be had from them. And conversely, theres no point in having balanced ships if you can't load space after jumping in. Kind of sucks, but if I had to choose, I'd rather take balance over performance. You always have the option of fighting smaller battles, if the server can't handle big ones. Purchasing Complex Fullerene Shards, contact me ingame.

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:57:00 - [71] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/08/2006 20:39:51 Originally by: Avon 2k was probably the best version of windows MS ever produced. Fast, stable, and a much smaller footprint that XP. I miss it. I bet you will love WinXP once Vista shows up. :) Vista makes my PC cry. Having said that, it is worth it for the "windows" + TAB version of ALT + TAB .. man that is cool. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 20:58:00 - [72] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Kind of sucks, but if I had to choose, I'd rather take balance over performance. You always have the option of fighting smaller battles, if the server can't handle big ones. Ultimately the most pragmatic view imho. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Ilya Murametz Caldari Hybonashi Industries	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:21:00 - [73] Edited by: Ilya Murametz on 07/08/2006 21:22:53 Fix bugs, fix bugs, fix more bugs, then fix all bugs, then double check and fix the rest of the bugs, then make sure there is no bugs then maybe release next patch with tons more bugs..... P.S. Oh and did I say.. FIX BUGS FIRST Edit: if you need the list of ALL the bugs ingame feel free to contact me... CCP or whoever cares over there...
Shamis Orzoz SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:36:00 - [74] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Kind of sucks, but if I had to choose, I'd rather take balance over performance. You always have the option of fighting smaller battles, if the server can't handle big ones. So I suppose BoB will just bring a little squad of hacs next time they want to conquer a region?
Haks'he Lirky Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:39:00 - [75] Same thing has been said over and over, I remember when Castor was comming out and there was these kind of threads everywhere.
Lori Carlyle Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.07 21:46:00 - [76] Software like eve will never be free of bugs, however there are a load that really need to be fixed before they add more code to a already very bugged client. Vote for Fixing the Major ones b4 adding to them. PINK PINK PINK PINK PINK ERIS Quote: Eris is out of order, bikini error. Supply sunscreen and press enter.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.07 23:20:00 - [77] Originally by: DigitalCommunist This is a trick question. Content or Fixes? What do you consider content and what do you consider fixes? Making old stuff better can be considered adding content to the game, then again, you can also say its been "fixed" from a less desirable position. I might want both, if you say it like that. If you consider content as new agent missions and tech 1 ships, and bug fixes as minor performance tweaks or ui work that I won't even notice.. then I'd say I don't want either. Still not tricky enough? What do you call the changes to map, scanning, local chat, instajumps and combat duration? Can you call it content because it makes the game more fun, or do you give credit to the players for creating the content. Can you say the changes would be fixes to a broken system, or simply improvements to working one? Kali being able to host 500 man fleet battles is pointless if theres no fun to be had from them. And conversely, theres no point in having balanced ships if you can't load space after jumping in. Kind of sucks, but if I had to choose, I'd rather take balance over performance. You always have the option of fighting smaller battles, if the server can't handle big ones. I mean bugs fixed and lag issues sorted instead of implenting new ships and new features. Balancing is another issue which doesnt fall under Bugs or expensions. Ship lovers click here
Taaketa Frist Information Science Security Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.07 23:28:00 - [78] Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 07/08/2006 23:28:25 I use windows 3.1 I don't really care too much as long as bugs are getting fixed nad theres some good things coming into the game. The devs are doing their jobs - thats what I care about. -------------- Dang nabit
Soratah Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.08.07 23:29:00 - [79] I vote for fixes, considering the 56 page thread about how Amarr ships are crap and the rants about the Tier 3 Battleships are coming. CCP should fix what we have and rebalance it again before adding new crappy ships, skills, and significant changes that again hose the existing ships and setups.
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.07 23:42:00 - [80] Originally by: Taaketa Frist Edited by: Taaketa Frist on 07/08/2006 23:28:25 I use windows 3.1 Pro or server version? Ship lovers click here

babylonstew Caldari Caldari Scouting and Intel Group	Posted - 2006.08.08 00:58:00 - [81] Originally by: Sharkbait there are people programming new stuff and people fixing old stuff. there is both happening. but however, dragon is coming out before kali and dragon has alot of fixes and improvements in it. so yes, there will be fixes before kali. then with kali comes even more fixes and content with lots of sexy stuff. in dont want to be the guy that rains on everyones bbq, but that sounds to like there is no chance kali 1 is comingm out in september dragon code isnt even close to being ready by the looks, so you still have to sort that, then release it to TQ, wait until its stable on TQ, then maybe release Kali 1? Forum advice Linkage
CB Cyrix GeoTech	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:27:00 - [82] Ive used both 2k and xp, all I can say is: 1. In the 4 years of using 2k ive NEVER had a crash or bluescreen of death. XP took a few hours after it was fully updated. 2. Windows 2k does not get in my way like xp does. 3. Windows 2k is the only MS-OS that doesnt give me stuff I dont want. Other than that I use arch linux for eve, so I suppose it dont really matter, but for fleet I switch to win2k. But if it goes full XP only I dont see me stay on eve. Coz unless its offering a linux port (which would be better than a 2k version), sticking to XP only and thats it will loose alot of players. -Taking his YARR Pills Since 2003-
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.08 08:43:00 - [83] You can disable the whole fancy stuff in XP - Takes a while, and some parts will be back after the next patchday. I am currently building a new Linux box after my 400MHz machine broke down earlier this year. It would be really nice if all aspects of EVE would work under Cedega. --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:31:00 - [84] test server client works just fine here with windows 2000 prof.
spurious signal Caldari Brainiacs	Posted - 2006.08.08 09:47:00 - [85] Originally by: Tachy Win2k is as close to its official end of lifecycle as XP. Wrong I'm afraid. You might want to have a look here. Mainstream support for w2k ended on June 30th this year, it's now in what MS call "Extended Support" ie they now charge for support and are in the process of phasing support out completely. That means no more security patches or fixes for W2K hence it will start to become less and less secure as the months tick by. It means no more support for new hardware. It means other developers will stop making new drivers for it. It means games companies will start to phase out testing for w2k. Sure this will all take time but it's downhill for w2k from now on I'm afraid. I too resisted the push to XP for quite a while but eventually found it easier to make the move, as a gamer. I don't regret it for an instant, XP is a far superior OS to w2k and despite what you say it IS more secure and stable than w2k now, espcially if you're a gamer.
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 10:07:00 - [86] Sorry to post ON topic, but I really have to ask ? When will we get Dragon Branch on TQ.... and when will we get Kali 1, it seems to me another delay of Kali is in the making. Yah yah yah... Soon(tm) i know, but I really just HAD to ask :) Dont get mad - Get even
Tachy	Posted - 2006.08.08 10:36:00 - [87] Originally by: spurious signal Originally by: Tachy Win2k is as close to its official end of lifecycle as XP. Wrong I'm afraid. You might want to have a look here. Mainstream support for w2k ended on June 30th this year, [...] Win2k is a few months over the official (extended) lifecycle, XP is a few months short of the official end. So what? Buy a new version of Windows for that handful months for a nearly non-existant support I don't need unless I have to contact them for the installation code because I changed some equipment? --==*-- Even with nougat, you can have a perfect moment.

Oveur	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:09:00 - [88] Dragon works for Windows 2000, was a bug in a crypto module which caused incompatibility in one of the builds. Dragon should be arriving in August, 1-3 weeks from now, depending on testing. Dragon is about 6 months more recent than the current TQ code branch, save a couple of fix patches. I expect it to be somewhat of a bumpy ride deploying a code branch with so much age difference, which is the main reason we're deploying it seperately from new content and features. Senior Producer EVE Online

Braaage eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:17:00 - [89] Originally by: Oveur Dragon works for Windows 2000, was a bug in a crypto module which caused incompatibility in one of the builds. Dragon should be arriving in August, 1-3 weeks from now, depending on testing. Dragon is about 6 months more recent than the current TQ code branch, save a couple of fix patches. I expect it to be somewhat of a bumpy ride deploying a code branch with so much age difference, which is the main reason we're deploying it seperately from new content and features. Is this the new code branch that will accidentally wipe out every bookmark in existence??? PLEEEAASEEE ___________________________________________ http://www.eve-tutor.com Picture based tutorial site for EVE-Online
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:18:00 - [90] Originally by: Oveur Dragon works for Windows 2000, was a bug in a crypto module which caused incompatibility in one of the builds. Dragon should be arriving in August, 1-3 weeks from now, depending on testing. Dragon is about 6 months more recent than the current TQ code branch, save a couple of fix patches. I expect it to be somewhat of a bumpy ride deploying a code branch with so much age difference, which is the main reason we're deploying it seperately from new content and features. I like it bumpy. Rawr.

Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.08 11:22:00 - [91] Originally by: Oveur Stuff WB Oveur, I hope you had a good break. The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
Gilbert Drillerson DarkStar 1 Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.08 13:00:00 - [92] Originally by: Oveur Dragon should be arriving in August, 1-3 weeks from now, depending on testing. Dragon is about 6 months more recent than the current TQ code branch, save a couple of fix patches. WOW nice answer... wonder what happend to Soon(tm) :) Any similar clear answers with regards to Kali 1 date ? /Gil Dont get mad - Get even
kirjava Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.12 00:12:00 - [93] Way I see it, a good, soli foundation is neede to build anything on top of. If it dosent work and causes more problems than it solves, it aint worth our subscription costs. Bug Fix first, then work on the new toys :P


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