I was doing this mission and actually read the text.

Which brings us to the second thing that eventually dawns, and on an diminishing scale now, down to the thousands. The second realization is that capsuleers can die. They are not immortal.

Many of my kind refuse to acknowledge this, but it is quite obvious. Standard capsuleer re-cloning relies on the use of mind-state transfer technology, which transfers consciousness from one highly controlled environment to another; Body A inside a capsule (an GÇ£eggGÇ¥) and Body B (for Plan B) in a cloning facility.

The important phrase here is highly controlled environment. You can't say it is anything else. A scanner pores over your brain, capturing every last thought, every memory, every personality defect, and it does this why? Because your capsule was breached.

Because someone just proved how fragile that egg really is.

And that cloning facility you wake up in?

That cloning facility is surrounded by some of the most high-clearance people in the field - these invisible caretakers who oversee the rebirth of the universe's elite. They have a job with an importance like no other in our world, and with it, surveillance and monitoring you won't see anywhere else either. They are the real bodyguards. If a corporate CEO is waking up in one of these facilities, his contingent on the ground have already failed, and this, the most sacred of contingency plans, now depends on the people in the white suits. Obviously, not everyone is comfortable with that, least of all us capsuleers who won't often admit how tenuous our grip on everything really is.

Why? Because these people in white suits could make things go horribly wrong for you and me.

I think the reason we've started installing cloning vats on our largest, most powerful ships has less to do with logistics and more to do with trust issues.

OP should read Jita 4-4, my favourite chronicle.

The novels tend to have this as a plot point. Templar One (I believe) has a Gallente Navy capsuleer disobey orders and leave a battle, and spends the rest of the novel on run. If he gets podded, he wakes up in a clone and will be immediately arrested and put in prison.

We may be the closest thing to gods in the known universe, but we're still mortal.

that was pretty cool to read thanks for posting it. I mean it is one of those things that is cool to think about, but I think it would be a bit disastrous for say CCP or someone to actually implement. if your character could just be gone on a whim on the next podding, well I don't think I'd play the game.

I was doing this mission and actually read the text. The guy said this.

"I want you to go out there, meet Taphos, and kill him in combat. We've shut off access to his clones, so he won't be coming back."

So they CAN kill capsuleers. I might think they would have some trouble accomplishing it entirely though.

yeah, they should probably fix that. really need to go full on infomorph, ya know, ressurrect into the 12 foot body of a dread killbot with dual tachyon lasers for arms and shoulder mounted nuclear warheads, maybe with a cylon raider facemask with built in laserbeam.

yeah, like to see them arrest that

This is the SoE epic arc, which can be redone every few months, so it would seem our old buddy Taphos has found a way back anyways.

Empyrean Age and the present lore have a conflict.


The present lore is that new capsuleers get euthanized and then go into a new clone. EA has a line regarding one of the main characters making a reference to "losing the body he was born with".


Also, I read in the past that the action of the pod electronics on breach actually killed the pilot before the pod breach. So I don't know where that choking sound is coming from now.

I was doing this mission and actually read the text. The guy said this.

"I want you to go out there, meet Taphos, and kill him in combat. We've shut off access to his clones, so he won't be coming back."

So they CAN kill capsuleers. I might think they would have some trouble accomplishing it entirely though.

Empyrean Age and the present lore have a conflict.


The present lore is that new capsuleers get euthanized and then go into a new clone. EA has a line regarding one of the main characters making a reference to "losing the body he was born with".


Also, I read in the past that the action of the pod electronics on breach actually killed the pilot before the pod breach. So I don't know where that choking sound is coming from now.

It's not so much the clone per se, as the data link going from pod to new body.

If I recall my lore correctly, the Empires won't cut that link willy-nilly because they don't want capsuleers going crazy and taking over. On the flipside of that, the capsuleers follow Empire rules in Empire space (via CONCORD), in order to keep from giving the governments reason to cut the line.

It's all very grimdarky and Catch-22. We break the rules, Empires can pull the plug, but if the Empires flex their might too much, we'll whip out our superior tech and spaceship fightin' skills to attempt a mass takeover.

At least as it stands, most high-sec Capsuleers are, essentially, mercenaries who assist the Empires for pay (mission runners, 'plexers, incursion runners, etc).

Actually both are viable. This discussion used to come up as well ingame.(old Lore didn't had the euthanizer thing, new lore does) One of the CCP folks gave an explanation as progress. Older capsuleers didn't undergo the euthanizing process, newer ones do. Presumably, the euthanizing process creates more stable capsuleers, as they undergo the process of their first death in controlled circumstances.
Older capsuleers saw their first death in usually violent circumstances, the destruction of their ship, giving higher risks of permanent psychological damage when they wake up for the first time in a new clone, an experience they never felt before.

Players currently can pick which one they choose. the Euthanizing capsuleer is more fit in lore, while the 'My first body was an original' capsuleer gives an easier explanation if you enjoy some mental instability for your character.

And yes, the brainscan that saves your mind also kills your body due to the high energy it uses, it fries the brain as it extracts all information. Choking sound might be from the neurotoxines injected as precaution, they serve to make sure your body is dead after brainscan. If toxines are not injected, you 'might' survive with extreme brain damage & it is highly illegal to have two active clones existing together.

Empyrean Age and the present lore have a conflict.


The present lore is that new capsuleers get euthanized and then go into a new clone. EA has a line regarding one of the main characters making a reference to "losing the body he was born with".


Also, I read in the past that the action of the pod electronics on breach actually killed the pilot before the pod breach. So I don't know where that choking sound is coming from now.