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Crumplecorn
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:23:00 -
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Garmon wrote:Gilgamesh BoShudda wrote:Great, so now when I am flying around in FW lowsec looking for frig fights, instead of finding mostly stabbed and cloaky frigs, I will find ONLY stabbed and cloaky frigs. All of the players who would normally be venturing out into FW systems looking for fun fights will instead just stay docked in the hubs. If this ends up on TQ, it will kill frig PVP. you're fuc king reta rded This pretty much sums up this entire thread. The part where a few CSMs came in to say (more or less word for word) "if you disagree with this you're dumb" was particularly gratifying. This has to be one of the most polarised threads I've seen in terms of IQ. It's nice to know that, as someone who plays EVE for EVE and not for Dota in space, I'm keeping good company.
Anyway, I'm actually torn over this reaching TQ. On the one hand it is obviously a terrible idea, but on the other I've always kind of wanted to see what would happen if you offered instant gratification PvP to our "hurf durf I play EVE I'm so hardcore" playerbase. An experiment worth the potential costs I think.
Think about it - if adding instant graitifaction PvP on TQ 'kills EVE' - wasn't it really dead all along anyway?
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:26:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:If instead it was pitched as an "In game combat simulator" where a "virtual battle" was taking place there wouldn't be quite the huge wave of concern right now. To make this seem correct the two pilots who enter into actual combat in this manner should disappear from local. No, it should involve actual ships being destroyed, at least that way my industrial activities will be unaffected, maybe even boosted if lots of people engage in Dota-in-space.
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Posted - 2014.09.25 17:56:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Worst Case Scenario: The new pilots you get won't be completely clueless about combat fittings, and anxiety ridden about losing a ship... thus making your job of showing them how to actually PVP in EVE a little bit easier.
Less time lost explaining the basics, less whining, less irritation for you. While I can't echo baltec's doom and gloom because I haven't seen this happen in person, do you really believe the worst case outcome of the combination of EVE's legendarily risk-averse playerbase and risk-free PvP is an improvement of the risk-based PvP?
People will inevitably crowd towards the easier modes a game has to offer, while I haven't seen it in MMOGs (due to not having played them), I have in pretty much every non-MMOG I've played. Starting people off in those easier modes is also a hilariously terrible way to try to get them into the harder ones.
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Posted - 2014.09.25 18:11:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Fair points, and I would agree with you if the pilots were getting any reward out of arenas... or if EVE were a simpler game to learn combat in... but neither are true. So the people who are out roaming are going to be people looking for rewards, or to attain objectives other than PvP. Sounds great.
Ranger 1 wrote:Also consider that "someone" has to foot the bill for the arena itself and pay for stocking it with ships and modules. That in itself is going to be a detriment to people just living in the arena.
If I put one up you can be certain that only pilots I invite would be allowed access, and there would be a point to the matches. As altruistic as I am, I'm not going to pay for strangers to sit around and blow each other up just for giggles. You might not, but others will. Crazier things have happened.
Actually that link brings up an interesting question, if/when arenas are added: Who will get more money donated to them, the group who uses it to fund non-consensual PvP or the group who uses it to fund consensual PvP?
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