claim statement: wardecs are literally killrights for ISK, affecting groups of players, rather than individuals. allowing individual kill rights for ISK would be discrimination.

proposal: this system is obtusely one-way, and I think what would be interesting is a way to buy killright immunity from a group, for ISK. To ensure it is just as chronologically dependent as wardecs, the targeted group should be locked out from making wardecs as long as the immunity fee is paid, with the only diplomatic solution being an immunity buyout that has to be accepted by the immune party. only then can a wardec commence.

summary: corporation/alliance-specific wardec immunity through concord, with a "let us wardec you plz" ISK negotiation option.

So if you want to kill a dude in h-sec, wardec his corp.

That's correct as far as I'm aware but if it is just one dude you are after and maybe he isn't in a corp or it's an NPC corp or a corp with so many members it is going to cost the same as a major war with hundreds on each side.

That's correct as far as I'm aware but if it is just one dude you are after and maybe he isn't in a corp or it's an NPC corp or a corp with so many members it is going to cost the same as a major war with hundreds on each side.

Individual kill rights are generated in highsec by unlawful aggression and can be made available for whatever price the holder places upon it.

However you need to be on grid with someone to see that they have a killright.

Someone proposed a while back that these be made searchable through the bounty office, which imo is a great idea.

However you need to be on grid with someone to see that they have a killright.

but you can also do it illegally with a handful of characters.

normally, yeah, they're after someone's cargo. that would make sense, but it doesn't have to. someone could do it for no obvious reason, maybe a vendetta. or a forum post.

There are ways to avoid a war dec but you cant avoid a kill right in the same way - they are different things and should be treated differently.
Although buying a kill right would be interesting as it would overpower suicide ganking - well it wouldnt be called suicide ganking anymore - just Hi Sec safe ganking - dps would no longer matter as much because you can shoot as long as the kill right lasts.

normally, yeah, they're after someone's cargo. that would make sense, but it doesn't have to. someone could do it for no obvious reason, maybe a vendetta. or a forum post.

Doesn't make sense, why lose a ship capable of blowing up another ship in the time it takes concord to arrive ? It's like sacrificing a queen to kill a pawn, very finite number of circumstances when it would be worth considering.

Doesn't make sense, why lose a ship capable of blowing up another ship in the time it takes concord to arrive ? It's like sacrificing a queen to kill a pawn, very finite number of circumstances when it would be worth considering.

it doesn't have to make sense to the person getting killed, Nevil. remember this is a game and people are looking for entertainment.

Well I don't see a major problem with that or how it affects whether or not kill rights should be for sale. Random joyriding gankers exist somewhere maybe, who cares ?

Because different people have different ideas on values, goals and drives.


For instance, someone could read that post of yours and decide that it would be a great idea to show you exactly why you're mistaken in your thinking.

They'd check you on evewho, not find any obvious alts but quickly realise that the corp has been inactive for years other than a few nameless alts (you're one of them) together with a CEO who (looking at his killboard) is a clueless clown and come to the obvious conclusion that you're that clown. And then decide to have a peek at the activity of you and your alts, send a few scouts to see what you're flying and how many tears you'd cry if you'd lose it, repeatedly.

They'd check you on evewho, not find any obvious alts but quickly realise that the corp has been inactive for years other than a few nameless alts (you're one of them) together with a CEO who (looking at his killboard) is a clueless clown and come to the obvious conclusion that you're that clown. And then decide to have a peek at the activity of you and your alts, send a few scouts to see what you're flying and how many tears you'd cry if you'd lose it, repeatedly.

Nevil, do you run missions in a marauder or navy battleship?

guys, leave Nevil alone plz

Nevil, do you run missions in a marauder or navy battleship?

guys, leave Nevil alone plz

Anyone worth worrying about has usually got better things to do but yes that is a bounty hunter type process, I'm on about doing the same thing but in a professional way.

Anyone worth worrying about has usually got better things to do but yes that is a bounty hunter type process, I'm on about doing the same thing but in a professional way.

I use a Rupture, I just move expensive blueprints around between Amarr and Dodixie through the red zone

Elaborate... I'm curious if there is actually something behind these words.

Rules to allow that were never written into the Yulai convention.

This is pretty much the only interesting thread left.

Barely any movement in GD.

Absurd...

It's a soooooow day,that and the dojo thread has people feeling a little edgy and nauseous

Is everyone posting there???

generated in highsec by unlawful aggression and can be made available for whatever price the holder places upon it.

However you need to be on grid with someone to see that they have a killright.

Someone proposed a while back that these be made searchable through the bounty office, which imo is a great idea.

That the bounty office could tell you if someone had a kill right on them and if so who owned the kill right ?

not currently, the proposal was to make this the case.

just about everyone is paying attention to it anyway

Understandable.

Should I peek?

Nevil, there are cases of getting killrights on yourself, using alts, and setting it to public with an ISK price that would net a profit after someone pays to activate it.

Mostly just known alts and code folks he dislikes, for obvious reasons. That Venom and Bullet stuff could be alts but quite probably just friendlies.

it would be better to not tip them off. the concept of forcibly, illegally killing someone will become clear to you, eventually.

Possibly but currently the only way to obtain kill rights is if someone has been a bad boy/girl therefore they know they have it coming. If you can buy kill rights the target being a naughty person isn't necessarily the case and as such a warning like the war deck warning might be appropriate.

Rain's point was, forewarned is forearmed. ANY notification that you're coming to kill them will tip them off. Landing on them out of nowhere in a surprise gank fleet, on the other hand, doesn't.

It's a fair point, such would be the disadvantage of doing it by the books, why not have a war without bothering to declare war ? same difference.

concord, thats why

10/10 would gank OP for no reason.

Well about buying kill rights for all ten of you to use against a player with positive security status, could start getting expensive, I'm suggesting

I mean if ganking is so effective




Well about buying kill rights for all ten of you to use against a player with positive security status, could start getting expensive, I'm suggesting

Once a kill right is activated the target goes suspect, meaning anyone in the vicinity can shoot freely for 15 minutes.

Hmmm, well that will be answering the question I put at the start of this thread, kill rights aren't designed for limited war purposes.

Several of your questions have been thus answered after pages of replies. This is why you should be asking "how does it work" instead of "why doesn't it work like this?"

it doesn't have to make sense to the person getting killed, Nevil. remember this is a game and people are looking for entertainment.

As a ganker, I'd go after the OP. I mean, here I am avoiding h-sec mechanics, coordinating a strike with my ganker buddies in their catalysts, spending ISK and time to make it work. Then some guy just proposes to build in a new griefing mechanic making my career in EVE obsolete.

As Ralph said, you seem to be suggesting changes without actually understanding how the current system or differing playstyles actually work.

As Ralph said, you seem to be suggesting changes without actually understanding how the current system or differing playstyles actually work.

That's people nowadays.

They think they can form an opinion about something, although they don't even know everything about it.

how do you only have two likes after four pages of this

how do you only have two likes after four pages of this

Because a bit like being told Santa doesn't exist you don't like being told that the Yulai convention doesn't exist.

Nevil, I remember going through this. I forget the topic. I got defensive, indignant, defiant... and the odd thing was nobody came to gank me, even after all the talk. .

The Yulai convention is Santa to you ?!

As much as I think suicide ganking is quite an innovative way of making an attack, that being the normal/only way to do it, you can see why I'm questioning this.

Questioning what exactly?

Questioning what exactly?

At this point, no, I'm willing to bet everything that Nevil is genuine. The clincher was his reply to my previous comment... he echoed a thought process that I've never shared with anyone. I never get pinged like that.

Basically, you are talking to another Rain.

Well, there must be a reason why you suddenly hang out in GD ...
........

the killrights mechanics happened with something called Crimewatch.

It's where all the total bad asses are

I am surrounded by shallow idiots.
That's okay.

I gotta ask Kane about that dec ...

In space I am the solo predator.

I know there are problems with this idea but
it's about how many options would open up if you could have a way to legalise targets
Pirate Faction Pays for hit on Player
Faction Navy Pays for hit on Player
NPC Corp Pays for hit on Player
Player Pays for hit on Player
Player Corp Pays for hit on Player

Besides who actually does it, come on there is a contract system in the game already.

I think he just wants to participate in a discussion, and he's starting with the next topic he wants to know about.

Haaa did you just get me?

But I like you now, so.

Two ways to beat the wave

1 Be stronger than the wave
2 Not be there when it hits

I was about to post pretty much that, and also say OOPE is for not-GD.

Two ways to beat the wave

1 Be stronger than the wave
2 Not be there when it hits

Yeah, but you don't want to post a lot when you never undock.?

lol! perfect!

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Caldari Police Force but Gallente... that's still not ringing any bells (what is the significance of that)?

Oooh ok. Now I see why you say that.

You lot know more about where he is than I do.

Tornadoes aren't that cheep especially if you want to put 20 mil of mods on each one, if you are talking about losing 3 then that's got to be getting on for the price of a battleship

Anyway, I don't see why I shouldn't just be able to sit on my but doing nothing and get someone to go kill you all.

That is all

I actually do like you,

np... bro, I'm way more lazy than you think. I'm once again without a reason to surprise buttseks someone on my mains.

It happens to send me mails if you lose something. .

Sol this is a good thread. Newbro (that's you Nevil) asks about player killing, Rain discovers it's himself in a time machine, a bunch of people get uncomfortable with the bromance, and then Newbro gets wardecd over an earlier thread.

Newbro because it's me just getting started in EVE, and I was like that. My saving grace was knowing when I'm wrong, and also knowing about Cannibal Kane and being respectful when I saw him, and eventually asking him for help.

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