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Parapolizei
Tactical Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.08 20:11:00 -
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Thanks for continuing the project fellas :)
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Spazzle
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.09 00:29:00 -
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A couple of us have messaged Six on the SA forums. I'll let you know if he gets back to me. I'm certainly looking forwards to updates, so best of luck.
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.09 00:51:00 -
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Thx Anders Chydenius for trying to do the right thing.
Hopefully CCP will do something with the what the current 'six' version of EVEMon access resource and people come to see that it currently isn't being update or fix and they'll come begging for you and others to fix their precious EVEMon.
There are a few bugs and errors in the current 'official' build and if these people can a contact six or even visit the EVEMon forums you'll see the whole that is trying to be plugged.
At the moment EVEMon (six version) is hitting the CCP servers for more bandwidth than actually playing the game! I and others have logs of this.
As someone else has said, No good deed goes un-punished.
All those of Goonfleet/swarm who should have more direct access to Six contact him and all will be well. But I'm sure even goons will have trouble with that.
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Shahadet
Amarr
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Posted - 2006.08.09 11:40:00 -
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I hope this all gets strighten out with out to much trouble. I like EveMon and will keep using it even if it moves, changes its name, and get into the witness protection program.
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Anders Chydenius
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:00:00 -
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I've left messages on the goonforum for six as well, and that thread looks pretty much like this one. A lot of the same people, in fact - it's nice to see how protective the goons are of their guy, in any case :)
In other news, for the 2 people that are still reading this thread, it looks like I'm going to gencon this weekend, so if you're going to check out the ccg, maybe you'll see me there, scamming the ccg reps for L33t 1nf0z. ------ EVEMon |
Archangel Lucifus
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.09 14:25:00 -
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Keep the codebase clean and similar coding style, change the name slightly for the difference in versions, then if/when Six comes back, your codebase can be diffed and patched back into the original source tree without much hastle.
Thanks for taking over the work while they're AFK
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Awox
Awox Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 15:28:00 -
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Originally by: Talori'i Just change it to EVEMonX, or EVEMon Lite, or maybe even EVEMonXTREME.... And I don't think a mod should change the old thread.... just create a new one with the new name, the new features, and why the change is happening.
You lot really amuse me. He's doing what is best for the project. Until Six posts something to the original site what is the big deal? Obviously his story checks out.
But please don't be calling it anything stupid just because these whiners tell you to, and if you do decide to, please don't call it anything stupid! "EVEmonEXTREME" sounds stupid. Makes me want to podkill 10,000 noobs. - nerf 0.5+ |
Vanlade
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:46:00 -
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Good work with EvEMoon. It is great to have such tools available.
Much appreciated.
- Vanlade
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Brad Stone
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:25:00 -
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Originally by: Gabriel Hart Anyone who submitted an implemented patch to Evemon could claim misuse on a vested interest case, not just the original creator.
A name change is indeed needed.
I beleive that everyone who has submitted a patch to Evemon is still working actively on it. The only missing person is Six himself, and Anders has bent over backwards to contact him
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Kavol Valarius
Amarr Dark Order Enterprises Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:39:00 -
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Regardless of the topic, I do hope Six is alright.
He did a previous vanishing act long before he joined EVE, we were all pretty worried about him then too.
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Waragha
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.09 21:17:00 -
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Anyways, this needs to be stickified.
I'd say change the name just to adhere with the GPL (opensource whoring ftw), but who cares really.
Originally by: Trepkos
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The only difference between GS and NPC's are that GS respawn quicker.
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Olea Avenger
Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.08.09 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Talori'i Just change it to EVEMonX, or EVEMon Lite, or maybe even EVEMonXTREME.... And I don't think a mod should change the old thread.... just create a new one with the new name, the new features, and why the change is happening.
You lot really amuse me. He's doing what is best for the project. Until Six posts something to the original site what is the big deal? Obviously his story checks out.
But please don't be calling it anything stupid just because these whiners tell you to, and if you do decide to, please don't call it anything stupid! "EVEmonEXTREME" sounds stupid. Makes me want to podkill 10,000 noobs.
I don't have any problems with them working on it. It is what open source is all about. We are mearly asking them to follow the rules of the GPL which this was released under. It was not released under the BSD or similar liscense. This can only be considered a fork of the project, as the original maintainer is unable to be contacted. As part of a fork, you must change the name to reflect that it is a fork. That is all we are asking. This goes for all OpenSource. At a later date, if Six replies and states he wants to remerge the project and this group aggrees they can remerge. This has actually occured several times in Open Source software developed under the GPL.
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Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.09 23:58:00 -
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I think that if it does fork officially it will get to a point quite quickly that wont allow for reintegration back into the 1.0.24 base. But they might just have to be the way it goes for it to continue.
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Anders Chydenius
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.10 00:09:00 -
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Originally by: Rumbaar I think that if it does fork officially it will get to a point quite quickly that wont allow for reintegration back into the 1.0.24 base. But they might just have to be the way it goes for it to continue.
Another reason why I don't see it as a real fork. As a fairly long time contributor to the project, and the only person besides Six with control of the evercrest-based repository, I see this as a continuation. ------ EVEMon |
Rumbaar
Solitary Forsaken
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Posted - 2006.08.10 04:33:00 -
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Yeah I'm not sure if I was clear but that post was meant to confirm that I don't think a fork is a good idea. :)
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Awox
Awox Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 05:44:00 -
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Edited by: Awox on 10/08/2006 05:43:48
Originally by: Olea Avenger
Originally by: Awox
Originally by: Talori'i Just change it to EVEMonX, or EVEMon Lite, or maybe even EVEMonXTREME.... And I don't think a mod should change the old thread.... just create a new one with the new name, the new features, and why the change is happening.
You lot really amuse me. He's doing what is best for the project. Until Six posts something to the original site what is the big deal? Obviously his story checks out.
But please don't be calling it anything stupid just because these whiners tell you to, and if you do decide to, please don't call it anything stupid! "EVEmonEXTREME" sounds stupid. Makes me want to podkill 10,000 noobs.
I don't have any problems with them working on it. It is what open source is all about. We are mearly asking them to follow the rules of the GPL which this was released under. It was not released under the BSD or similar liscense. This can only be considered a fork of the project, as the original maintainer is unable to be contacted. As part of a fork, you must change the name to reflect that it is a fork. That is all we are asking. This goes for all OpenSource. At a later date, if Six replies and states he wants to remerge the project and this group aggrees they can remerge. This has actually occured several times in Open Source software developed under the GPL.
As you are offering legal advice may I see your identification which proves you are legally qualified to offer such advice?
Anyways. It's not really an issue if it is the same project, it's not like Anders has stabbed Six in the back and run off with the source code and all the Exotic Dancers.. really.. Let it go man. - nerf 0.5+ |
DanFraser
OCForums
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Posted - 2006.08.10 15:16:00 -
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Just because Bill Gates is basically leaving M$, doesn't mean we'll be using MiniHard Panorama when it gets released...
(that's Microsoft Vista for the people trying to work it out)
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Azrael Bierce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.10 15:31:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Olea Avenger I don't have any problems with them working on it. It is what open source is all about. We are mearly asking them to follow the rules of the GPL which this was released under. It was not released under the BSD or similar liscense. This can only be considered a fork of the project, as the original maintainer is unable to be contacted. As part of a fork, you must change the name to reflect that it is a fork. That is all we are asking. This goes for all OpenSource. At a later date, if Six replies and states he wants to remerge the project and this group aggrees they can remerge. This has actually occured several times in Open Source software developed under the GPL.
The GPL
Where, exactly, in here does it say you need to change the name of the program? Section 2, which covers derivative copies, only states that you need to state prominently in the source that you've made changes, and that you must redistribute said changes under the GPL. Just changing the help->about to say "evemon, written by Six Anari, work continued by Anders", keep the GPL, and you're done.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.10 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Vanlade Good work with EvEMon. It is great to have such tools available.
Much appreciated.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.11 00:06:00 -
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Altho is this thread about being a copyright issue or weather we can or cannot trust the new source from being spyware/keylogger free... at least to me the later is more important as the poster seem to have been involved in the making of it before the move.
After that has been verified, the copyright flames may continue imo
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Shoele Lialos
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Posted - 2006.08.11 02:37:00 -
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I ran that new installer, and it broke my EVEMon. So I reinstalled the old one and it works again. Of course it still thinks TSM IV is needed for the Shield Resist skills.
What's the word on why that installer is failing?
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Tembrous
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Posted - 2006.08.11 03:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shoele Lialos I ran that new installer, and it broke my EVEMon. So I reinstalled the old one and it works again. Of course it still thinks TSM IV is needed for the Shield Resist skills.
What's the word on why that installer is failing?
With so little information, I have no idea.
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Juwi Kotch
Gallente VIRTUAL LIFE VANGUARD
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Posted - 2006.08.11 08:12:00 -
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On forking: There is no fork. Forking means, that an additional version of an original one is developed. Anders is continuing the original one, it just happened that the originator of the application has left without a proper handing over of business. The team is the same, it only got smaller. There are no two versions of the same software, no two developers or teams working on the same base software, hence no forking.
I by the way cannot install EveMon on my laptop, since MS .Net 2.0 does not install itself. I download .Net, start the exe, everything is unpacked and put into a folder in the temp folder, and that's it. The install.exe process can be seen running on the task manager, but nothing happens. Manually starting the install.exe from the temp folder just starts a second process, but still nothing happens. Any help with that would be appreciated...
Juwi Kotch
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MrCue
Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia
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Posted - 2006.08.11 11:48:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba Altho is this thread about being a copyright issue or weather we can or cannot trust the new source from being spyware/keylogger free... at least to me the later is more important as the poster seem to have been involved in the making of it before the move.
After that has been verified, the copyright flames may continue imo
The source remains open and avaliable for download and self-compilation.
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Lachek
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:12:00 -
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Edited by: Lachek on 21/08/2006 20:13:50 #1: There is no need for a namechange. The GPL doesn't require it, and neither does the BSD license and other Open Source licenses folks on this board claim to know so much about. It is common practice for Open Source forks to namechange, even if it's just to add a letter (for example X to indicate its operability with the X Windowing System or Mac OS X, K for KDE, G for Gnome etc), but it is mostly for pragmatic rather than legal or idealistic reasons. Nobody wants their "new-and-improved" fork confused with the parent product, and the parent product doesn't want to get confused with the young upstart that doesn't compile right.
#2: This is not a fork, it is a continuation of the EveMon project, by some of the original contributors no less. Even if a namechange was necessary (see #1) it wouldn't apply, since it's not a fork. Something is only "forked" if the parent product is still releasing (thus, the "fork" of side-by-side products), which the old EveMon is clearly not.
#3: Nowhere in the source does it mention (c) Six Anari from what I can tell. The SVN repo lists a file called 'gpl.txt' which contains just your generic GPL without any particular copyright claim. This means that Six Anari does not have any further claim to the copyright of EveMon than any of the other contributors do. If one of them wants to pick up development in Six Anari's absence, more power to them.
#4: As far as spyware/keyloggers go, as mentioned, the source is right there - have a look for yourself, or pay a coder to certify and compile it for you. If you're paranoid, don't run the binary, always compile from publically available source. And as far as that is concerned, why trust Anders any less than Six? The software is developed, compiled and distributed in exactly the same way as before. If you didn't take issue then, why start now?
#5: Thank you Anders. Please don't be discouraged by those who would distrust you - they come from the land of non-Free software, where everyone is trying to make a buck on the back of somebody else, and judge everyone accordingly. |
Halafian
Eve University
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Posted - 2006.08.21 20:28:00 -
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Totally agree. Some thread necromancy here, but the grumblings from Goonie law students here are completely misdirected. Couldn't believe all the nonsensical guff about malicious code, theft, etc.
Thank you Anders and everyone else now contributing to the project. Sorry you had to deal with ****ers attacking your character, but like someone said, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Skunkaben
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:54:00 -
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i have +3 implants in and evemon doesnt show them and the training times are not updated. any1 else having this problem?
ta
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Anti Protagonist
Gallente Archron Dusyfe Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.24 21:31:00 -
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Originally by: Skunkaben i have +3 implants in and evemon doesnt show them and the training times are not updated. any1 else having this problem?
ta
That's a problem with the XML that EVEMon gets from EVE, it happens to most people. You'll need to enter them manually.
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