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Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 13:43:00 - [1] I hate to create a duplicate thread, but with the release of 1.0.25.4 and the upcoming 1.0.26 release, the EVEMon project has moved to a new home at battleclinic. Can one of the forum mods please update the links in the top EVEMon post, and then delete this thread if need be? The main site: http://evemon.battleclinic.com The source repository ("verify it for yourself"): http://evemon.battleclinic.com/cgi-bin/trac.cgi/browser/EVEMon/trunk Screenshots: http://evemon.battleclinic.com/screenshots.html Thanks! ------ It's time for some F@&#g soup. -- Syfe
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 13:44:00 - [2] Also, be aware that the new version will not be autoupdated. 1.0.25.4 and up use a different autoupdate system. ------ It's time for some F@&#g soup. -- Syfe
Hellspawn01 Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.08 13:51:00 - [3] Main site The source repository Screenshots Ship lovers click here
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:21:00 - [4] Mr. Paranoia (ie me) is wondering why there isn't any info about this on the current/old site.
Serenity Steele Rearden Steele Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:29:00 - [5] Great Resource - nice to see it's moving to a high-bandwidth home!
Whiskey Juvenile GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:31:00 - [6] I'm wondering if Six Anari knows anything about this. Stealing software isn't cool.
Starblight	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:32:00 - [7] Is this intended to be a fork or just outright theft ?
Oliberto Stewart	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:32:00 - [8] Why didn't you bother to get the developer's approval? Not cool...
Jenna Malone Caldari W-hat LLC	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:34:00 - [9] If you fork open source software, use a new name. It's not nice to impose as the original product.
Alexi Kalashnikov Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:34:00 - [10] Edited by: Alexi Kalashnikov on 08/08/2006 14:35:40 Originally by: Oliberto Stewart Why didn't you bother to get the developer's approval? Not cool... Yes, unless Six Anari signs off on this people should not assume it is as safe (lack of keyloggers, other malicous software) as a third-party developer has taken the base code and has begun modifying it. SixAnari is doing a perfectly fine job with this software and unless he/she has specifically told you to take over, I would simply leave it be. However, which the names workign on this have come up before: I would much rather to know from Six Anari that he/she is handing the project over.
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:41:00 - [11] I was one of the developers of evemon when six was controlling the project. No one has heard from six in a few months, and I have sent six many emails in the last several weeks, none of which has been answered. Because six is the only one with access to the old site, we cannot make any updates or release a new version. The current version has several bugs that we would like to see fixed, including one that CCP would like to see fixed, but we can't do anything about it. If six comes back, it's still his project. His name is still at the top of every list. It is not our intention to steal ANYTHING here, we're merely trying to continue the project the best way we can while six is gone, whether that absence is temporary or permanent. If you have any questions, I encourage you to continue to post here, or email me at [email protected]. ------ It's time for some F@&#g soup. -- Syfe
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:42:00 - [12] Oh, and if you have any way to get ahold of Six, please please let me know. We would like, at the very least, his approval, but right now our assumption is that he has just fallen off the face of the earth. ------ It's time for some F@&#g soup. -- Syfe
Jenna Malone Caldari W-hat LLC	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:42:00 - [13] Edited by: Jenna Malone on 08/08/2006 14:43:51 Edited by: Jenna Malone on 08/08/2006 14:41:54 --edit: Well, apparently he did not work on it alone.
Harris	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:43:00 - [14] From the EveMon FAQ site... Quote: The EVEMon project was started by Six Anari for the Goonfleet corp, to be used as a skill manager and viewer. After quite a bit of development, Six released EVEMon as an open source project for the whole Eve community, and continued adding features to the system. After the 1.0.25.0 release, Six stopped making contributions, and since he was the only person with commit access to the source code, AndersChydenius took over administration of the project. In August 2006, Battleclinic graciously offered to host all aspects of the EVEMon project. Yes plagurism and theft are the worst things for this kind of media, but perhaps give the guy some credit. Do you think he'd be so openly brazen about a theft? Personally I'd like to think not even though I don't know him. Good luck with expanding the app. I hope it all goes well.
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:44:00 - [15] Originally by: Jenna Malone Edited by: Jenna Malone on 08/08/2006 14:41:54 Well, I've mailed Six (--edit: as in mailed outside the game). And for that matter, I'm pretty sure he was working on it ALONE. If you look at the original, six-run repository here, you'll see my name on a lot of things. I really am trying to do what's right for the community here, and keep things moving forward. ------ It's time for some F@&#g soup. -- Syfe
Whiskey Juvenile GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:46:00 - [16] It's a GNU GPL license, though; I think you might have to at least change the name of the software.
Jenna Malone Caldari W-hat LLC	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:51:00 - [17] Originally by: Anders Chydenius If you look at the original, six-run repository here, you'll see my name on a lot of things. I really am trying to do what's right for the community here, and keep things moving forward. Well, then you did contribute. However without his approval, you're only allowed to treat your project as a fork, which requires a name change, since GPL doesn't mean there's no copyright, which includes the application name.
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 14:54:00 - [18] Originally by: Jenna Malone Originally by: Anders Chydenius If you look at the original, six-run repository here, you'll see my name on a lot of things. I really am trying to do what's right for the community here, and keep things moving forward. Well, then you did contribute. However without his approval, you're only allowed to treat your project as a fork, which requires a name change, since GPL doesn't mean there's no copyright, which includes the application name. I wanted to avoid doing that if at all possible, since if six comes back, it's my assumption that he'll take control of the project again. I don't want there to be two different evemons. The only reason for this fork is that development of the existing project on the existing repository is, for all intents and purposes, impossible. I guess, if the copyright holder protests our use of his copyright, that would mean we've heard from him, and at that point we'll do whatever he wants with the project. ------ EVEMon
Alistair Mendehl	Posted - 2006.08.08 15:01:00 - [19] Sorry Anders, it looks like no good deed goes unpunished. If you've been keeping track of EveMon development, you know that Six went AFK about the time the interview in Eon came out. Ease up people, Anders is just trying to keep things rolling.
Whiskey Juvenile GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 15:21:00 - [20] I'm a law student; I take law stuff seriously. A name change appears to be all that would be required by the license.
Anders Chydenius Phoenix Industries	Posted - 2006.08.08 15:32:00 - [21] Originally by: Whiskey Juvenile I'm a law student; I take law stuff seriously. A name change appears to be all that would be required by the license. But by that token (and my understanding), the only person who can formally protest misuse of the copyright is the copyright holder, and we've made it clear what our reaction to such a protest will be. I'm trying to decide which would be more divisive - changing the name to "EVEThing Continued" or leaving it as we have it right now. ------ EVEMon
duckmonster GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 16:01:00 - [22] Hmm. No Im not convinced its a trademark (The name is a trademark, not a copyright afaik btw), and if that was the case, its derivative of "eve" anyway. Generally speaking the Idea of the GPL is that other folks are allows (perhaps even encouraged on some level) and that while original copyrights and trademarks are retained by the original author (or fractionally in the case of joint works and derivitave works), a perpetual (pending on compliance with the GPL) licence to use them is granted. Relax folks. Its the GPL, and forking, or 'de-orphaning' is not considered a hostile act.
Olea Avenger Gallente GoonWaffe GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.08.08 16:09:00 - [23] I use a lot of opensource software and have contributed to some. You are supposed to do a name change. However, when and if Six comes back, their is nothing stopping you from remerging the fork back into the main. So for now you should say it is a fork and why it is a fork and name it something like X-EveMon.
Gabriel Hart	Posted - 2006.08.08 16:44:00 - [24] Anyone who submitted an implemented patch to Evemon could claim misuse on a vested interest case, not just the original creator. A name change is indeed needed.
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:06:00 - [25] I think that you have all missed the point. Anders (and the rest of the dev team) are continuing EVEMon in the best way they can. If (and we hope when) Six returns, EVEMon will return to be under his direction at whichever URL he chooses. Until then, The source will continue to be updated by the growing team of developers and they will provide support for it at the new location. Killmail Database
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:07:00 - [26] Originally by: Scorpyn Mr. Paranoia (ie me) is wondering why there isn't any info about this on the current/old site. There is on the forums. Nobody else but Six has access to the old website. Which means that the auto-update feature of EVEMon would have continued to be broken. Killmail Database
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Oliberto Stewart Why didn't you bother to get the developer's approval? Tried, tried, and tried some more. Six has been AFK since his interview for the eve magazine. Quote: Yes, unless Six Anari signs off on this people should not assume it is as safe (lack of keyloggers, other malicous software) as a third-party developer has taken the base code and has begun modifying it. The source is open, as it was before. Feel free to read it all yourself and compile your own version. BTW, the lead developer is the same guy who was working on evemon on the old site. Quote: SixAnari is doing a perfectly fine job with this software and unless he/she has specifically told you to take over, I would simply leave it be. Six has been absent for months and all of the commits to the old site have been from anders. Who being the only person with SVN write access other than six, we can assume hes in charge until Six returns. Killmail Database
MrCue Drones of Annihilation Alektorophobia	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:12:00 - [28] Originally by: Gabriel Hart Anyone who submitted an implemented patch to Evemon could claim misuse on a vested interest case, not just the original creator. A name change is indeed needed. Most, if not all of those people have already submited patches for the next version(s) of EVEMon to the new system. However, if you manage to contact Six for a complaint, please tell him that his project is ready for him to return whenever he is ready. Killmail Database
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.08 17:52:00 - [29] Edited by: Scorpyn on 08/08/2006 17:52:06 Originally by: MrCue Originally by: Scorpyn Mr. Paranoia (ie me) is wondering why there isn't any info about this on the current/old site. There is on the forums. Nobody else but Six has access to the old website. Which means that the auto-update feature of EVEMon would have continued to be broken. I read a bit on the forums but obviously I missed it then. I'm satisfied with the explanation given btw. I would also recommend a name change though, even if you intend to give the project back at some point.
Talori'i Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.08.08 18:09:00 - [30] Just change it to EVEMonX, or EVEMon Lite, or maybe even EVEMonXTREME.... And I don't think a mod should change the old thread.... just create a new one with the new name, the new features, and why the change is happening. 4 8 15 16 23 42

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