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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 13:48:00 -
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I see no problem with a cloaked ship in a SS. One, the pilot is already taking a hit in the high slot AND locktime department. I don't see an issue with this. Granted, it's a pain in the butt when you are looking for them but I think it's a legitimate tactic.
A good use of a cloaked SS'd ship is the unnerving tactic you can use against hostiles. Staying logged on while cloaked in a SS while you go to work or school is a great tactic to rain on the enemies parade. They never know when you are going to show up and start hitting them. Especially if you have erratic work or school hours
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 14:49:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 09/08/2006 14:50:31
 Originally by: Lord Spidey
People who sit cloaked all day just to **** people off are lame
Well, when you are talking about pirates and they are ganking your friends whenever they pass thru the system, you are doing the community a favor. After all, pirates use even lamer tactics like jetting cargo cans at a gate to decloak........
Not to mention its psychological warfare.
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:18:00 -
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Originally by: Sara Lea
This will always be a 'hot topic' so to speak. I personally cant see the problem if an alliance or corporation was to work as a team when the lone cloaked pilot shows up.
Yes a cloak is a powerfull asset but it works both for and against a covert pilot. Especially if using one on a Stealth bomber. Yes he can get easy kills but in all honesty he shouldnt be able to close a system down if people were prepared to work together.
A bomber pilot is taking a big risk everytime he uncloaks..especially if there are other cloaked ships nearby when he does so. They are paper thin and cant take much damage at all. He will warp in and think he is going to be the one doing the suprising when POW! he sees several others uncloak and lock him...not good and most likely game over for him.
By pure design using a covert ship means being stealthy and sneaky. This means taking your time....picking your targets and opportunitys. Rush in gung ho and you will eventually die. Take your time and you will slowly but surely pick away at both moral and assets.
If the people who dont like it are willing to work together to counter this sort of gameplay then all the tools are there to do it. Everything needed is in game and its not rocket science.
0.0 space is not easy..it was never meant to be and hopefully never will be. Use the right tactics and as a group then you are laughing...whether its one co ops pilot or a gang of them. Yes you will suffer losses..its part of the overall game. But so will they.
Before people start whining that its not possible to get together to counter it then I suggest you rethink why you are in the position you are in?...often more than not a pilot chooses to harrass a certain corp or alliance for a reason. Have you annoyed him in the past?...Or killed him a lot?....many more possibilitys here tbh.
If he hasnt a reason then the chances are he will give in if he gets locked out of the battle. If he has a reason...then it may be harder to get rid of him...once again the tools are in game to do this. And hey..talkings good! (not smack of course but n e g o t i a t i o n. )
Adapt...if you want to live in 0.0 then be prepared to work for it. And there is more than one system to fly around in you know.....
Yes Im an alt
Very well put Mr. Alt.
I can really attest to the paper thin attributes of stealth bombers (god knows I lost a couple in Delve lol). It would be different if you could decloak, fire your cruise missiles, then recloak. But you can't. If you cloak after firing your missiles then they won't do damage. And therein lies the problem with stealth bombers. It only takes a fast pilot in a taranis to knock you on your ass. Or a sniping ship.
I say leave cloaks as they are. People always have issues with every module/tactic used in the game. Sense cloaked ships are already screwed in a lot of ways I say leave it be. If CCP brought out the nerf bat everytime someone whined about it, this game would just end up like SWG with every mental midget wanting to be a jedi and nothing else thus ruining the game for everyone.
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 16:31:00 -
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Edited by: Buxaroo on 09/08/2006 16:31:44
Originally by: Avon
Why is this discussion continuing?
The improved system scanning in Kali will make it possible to scan down (but not uncloak) cloaked ships.
What more is needed?
In the dev blog I don't see anything about cloaked ships. Only this part:
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Addons
New stuff will be added to make players that want to specialize init to become better, faster and more stylish atit:
1x new Launcher (Recon Probe Launcher; fast and deadly - made for ship scanning)
?x new Probes (special ones to find special things)
2-3x new Skills (increased efficiency, faster scanning (Astrometrics changed to give more groups to scan for) and perhaps faster deployment)
To me, Recon Probe Launcher means that the scanner can send out probes covertly without them showing up on scanner. Or am I misreading this?
And the only entry of recon ships is this:
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Lost & Found
Just finding objects will be based on the probe type you are using. Its stats will 'battle' against the stats of the objects within its scan radius, if the probe wins it finds the object and gives you the estimated location of the findings.
The factors used on the objects for this mini-battle are signature radius (big is bad) and scan strength (high is good), where frigates are commonly harder to find than battleships/ capital ships, while recon based ships are in general the hardest ships to find.
I don't see anything about finding cloaked ships, not even decloaking them. Has the dev blog changed any? Is this updated info?
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:07:00 -
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OK, someone PLEASE tell me how being cloaked makes you invincible? You can't kill **** while cloaked, and most ships can't WARP without decloaking....how is it invincible? You can still kill cloaked ships, either with warp bubbles or interdictor bubbles and very fast ships. To me invicible means a TITAN. Not a paper thin cloaked frigate or cruiser. Not even a battleship.
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