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luzhisheng
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:05:00 -
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if one pilot have ss and he fit a common cloak device,then,no one can find him , never can even god.
i think cloak should be a special equip,just be used by spicial ship,but it can be use by anyship with Prototype Cloaking Device I.
eve pvp like a hunter,but hunter have no any effective tool. probe so slow and so limited.
and when one ppl dont want fight, he just need ss+cloak device and then he get absoluteness safe in space.
this is a balance of ccp want?
i very very very wish ccp make a modification in this way.
PVP just happen in gate is inconsequence. we want a fight but not camp gate in 80% eve pvp time.
this like a WW I.everyone stay in trench. and wait, wait ,wait ,wait,
game machine let us do this everyday.
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:13:00 -
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This is perfectly balanced.
By fitting that cloak he has just
#completely gimped his locking time.
#Wasted a highslot.
#sitting in a safespot bored as hell.
Im afraid I believe strongly if someone is cloaked and SS'd they SHOULD be invincible unless the extremely unlikely event that your sat in someone elses safespot and they land on you (Its happened !! Ive made a ss in space and landed next to someone  )
Deep 0.0, I'm not a member of any alliance... Its not my space. I do however like to go for the odd ciggarete, speak to my g/f etc. I think its fairly reasonable to give me a means of safely abandoning my ship in space... dont you ?
Or would you rather I just log every time I wish to leave the room....
Alliaanna
DNC Treasure Hunt !!
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Pabs Sco
Caldari
Ecosse
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:15:00 -
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safespotting and cloaking is indeed very lame. And everyone needs a counter measure against it, but then if we did, whats the point in having a cloak?
Maybe cloaks should only be used on "special" ships and take up 99%CPU, or have "Special" probes to detect cloaked ships but still need to pin point where the SS is using the usual method.
As for gate camping, this also is a lame tactic, its dull boring and quite frankly a horrible way to pvp,as well as 200km snipping, its not all that fun (sit at gate with 10+ people, see hostile in overview, lock, boom! how was that fun??)
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Tribunal
Darkblade Technologies
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:20:00 -
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Make cloaks burn a fuel source and this problem would vanish real fast.
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Pabs Sco
Caldari
Ecosse
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:32:00 -
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 Originally by: Tribunal
Make cloaks burn a fuel source and this problem would vanish real fast.
OOOoooo nice idea!!!
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Alliaanna Dalaii
Gallente
Does Not Compute
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:37:00 -
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Originally by: Tribunal
Make cloaks burn a fuel source and this problem would vanish real fast.
Yeah because a covert ops pilot is going to love that.....
"Sorry boys, no fuel... Op is over  "
As to decloaking covert ops ships etc... JUST NO! Have you seen the price of Covert Ops II's
Alliaanna
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mirel yirrin
Gallente
Phantom Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:41:00 -
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Originally by: Pabs Sco
Originally by: Tribunal
Make cloaks burn a fuel source and this problem would vanish real fast.
OOOoooo nice idea!!!
Its a bloody crap idea.
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Infinity Ziona
Space Elves of Ragnoroth
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:48:00 -
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Edited by: Infinity Ziona on 09/08/2006 07:50:14
Whats the harm. Unless its a covert ops its going to be able to warp into your belt and then sit there... 1.... 2..... 3.... 4.... 5..... 6..... 7.... 8..... 9..... 10.... .. if you havent jammed it to hell or run away you deserve to die.
I think this is a case of people wanting to sit safely and securely in 0.0, probably alone, mining or ratting, without having the fear of someone hostile or neutral in local.
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Darg Even
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:54:00 -
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What the point in having a cloak if you can't hide?
Might as well remove all ships from this game. That way we would avoid all problems :)
Using a cloak on a non covert op ship seriously hampers the ship in question. If I choose to do that then it's my decision.
Go hunt for someone else. If your target didn't have a cloak he would have logged off so this doesn't change anything at all for the hunter.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:56:00 -
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Sell prototype cloaks at 200M, improved prototype cloaks at 400M, covert ops cloak at 600M. Problem solved. Everyone fits cloaks these days. 
Overpowered module == Overpowered price. 
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.09 07:57:00 -
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Originally by: mirel yirrin
Originally by: Pabs Sco
Originally by: Tribunal
Make cloaks burn a fuel source and this problem would vanish real fast.
OOOoooo nice idea!!!
Its a bloody crap idea.
I think its a brilliant idea. It also makes it possible to make a difference between covert ops ships and other ships with a cloak. Covert ops ships could have a reduction in fuel costs. And ideally, different size ships = different fuel costs.
One of the most annoying features in this game is how a single ship with a covop cloak can put an entire system out of business for ratting or mining. And the covops guy doesn't even have to be at the keyboard.
All you do is get a recon, jump into a system, safespot, cloak and go AFK. Who dares to go mining with a hostile recon in system that is completely invulnerable until he attacks?
Fuel should run out in about 30 mins or so for a non-covop ship with an active cloak and maybe 90-120 mins for a covop with a cloak active.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:01:00 -
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The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Moghydin
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:01:00 -
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The problem is when there's an alt, sitting cloacked in system for days, doing nothing. You never know if the pilot is actually afk or not, if he continues to harmlessly sit there, or is he actually sitting 15km from your NPC'ing bs and 5 enemy tacklers are waiting to warp in on the other side of the gate. The problem is not cloaked ships, but cloak ship abuse by alts, as no one would use his main to sit at 1 spot doing nothing for a week.
Alts = abuse.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:05:00 -
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to the OP.
What is stopping a guy from warping in between three or four Safe Spots?
How are you going to beat that? Remove Safe Spotting?
Get real.
And if one hostile in local stops an entire system full off people from ratting and mining - maybe you should move back to a high-sec system...
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:11:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
to the OP.
What is stopping a guy from warping in between three or four Safe Spots?
How are you going to beat that? Remove Safe Spotting?
Get real.
And if one hostile in local stops an entire system full off people from ratting and mining - maybe you should move back to a high-sec system...
Jumping between 4 safespots? No problem, at least he has to be there at the keyboard.
In a covops he can be AFK all day long, but you can never be sure. And you try to protect a covetor or an iteron during a mining operation against a recon ship, not gonna happen.
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Sandra Tseng
THE MISPHIT'S
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:18:00 -
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well what if he is doing a mission somewhear out far on the map where you can not go - and he decides to stay in that area once he finnishes off the NPCs...? 
Killed my sig AGAIN! :p
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
well what if he is doing a mission somewhear out far on the map where you can not go - and he decides to stay in that area once he finnishes off the NPCs...?
There are no missions where I live . And if I'm not mistaken, nobody is immune to Observator probes.
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Infinity Ziona
Space Elves of Ragnoroth
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:29:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
Yay another change to make EvE safer.
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luzhisheng
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sandra Tseng
well what if he is doing a mission somewhear out far on the map where you can not go - and he decides to stay in that area once he finnishes off the NPCs...?
you means you do mission in 0.0? i dont think you can get mission in 0.0 area.
and if he decides to stay in that area once he finnishes off the NPCs，i just said"oh, man ,i think you are no do this action in every mission,never no common ppl have so enough time waste than you :P"
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luzhisheng
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:32:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
thank your new :) nice !!
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sell prototype cloaks at 200M, improved prototype cloaks at 400M, covert ops cloak at 600M. Problem solved. Everyone fits cloaks these days.
Overpowered module == Overpowered price.
What problem? There is no problem except the OP whining about how he is a bad hunter.
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Viktor VonCarstein
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:41:00 -
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Whats the point in spending the isk and suffering the penalties of a cloak if it doesn't hide you. Losing a high slot, long lock times etc plus hammering cpu.
Using cloaks on ships that aren't designed for it get gimped so I woulnd't worry about them anyways. Those that are designed for it leave them be they are supposed to hide, hecne the terms covert, recon and stealth!
TBH local already cripples covert ops pilots and being able to scan them too in Kali. Not exactly covert anymore.
Its not like they are gonna uncloak and engage you with a helios.
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Jenny Spitfire
Caldari
LoneStar Industries
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:41:00 -
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Originally by: Guntaro
Originally by: Jenny Spitfire
Sell prototype cloaks at 200M, improved prototype cloaks at 400M, covert ops cloak at 600M. Problem solved. Everyone fits cloaks these days.
Overpowered module == Overpowered price.
What problem? There is no problem except the OP whining about how he is a bad hunter.
Well if cloak is balanced then ECM is also balanced.
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TerrorWOLF
J.H.E.N.R
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 08:57:00 -
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Problem with cloak and stealth in EVE is that we have cloak but there is absolutly no stealth!! And there will be no stealth as long as local shows who is in system.
May Your Death Be Slow And Painful
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Sirkill
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:16:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
More info please
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity Ziona
Originally by: Avon
The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
Yay another change to make EvE safer.
Safer? The safe party in situations like this is the one sitting cloaked at a ss.
If anything it's about making eve less safe.
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Mikal Drey
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:29:00 -
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hey hey
isnt the whole point of a cloak is so you cant get found.
problem with cloaks has always been they are either overpowered or totally underpowered. and for every thread that doesnt like cloaked people theres more that want them even more powerfull and usefull.
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Brisi
Sniggerdly
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:29:00 -
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You should've been there when there weren't any scan probes, and the only way to find an ss'd ship, was to narrow it down via scanning and warp/fly closer and closer 'till you you found it.
I think that a cloaked ship should be impossible to scan for, but that might just be me.
I am Brisi, I am as One. Resistance is fertile.
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Callistus
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:32:00 -
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Originally by: Sirkill
Originally by: Avon
The new scanning system slated for Kali allows you to scan cloaked ships, so this is all a bit of a non-issue.
More info please
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Ilmonstre
Minmatar
Black Nova Corp
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Posted - 2006.08.09 09:57:00 -
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it doestn say you can find ships that have a cloak active at that moment
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