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Akkarin Pagan
Minmatar
Raddick Explorations
Myriad Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:38:00 -
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There are 2 issues here:
1. Op "Someone didn't get ganked when I wanted to kill them WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
2. Some people are "abusing" what cloaks can do
To solve 1. Well dude, you don't always get what you want. If you want free kills, go back to WOW, and get yourself a lvl 60 character and gank noobs outside a starter town.
2. Well the fuel idea sucks balls tbh. How is a Cov ops pilot meant to keep tabs on the composition and location of an enemy fleet if he stands the risk off losing his ship when the fuels out? (60mill for a cloak, and the ship will stand up to a whole milisecond of fire if decloaked). As for Recon cruisers. They aren't some kind of solo pwn mobile (we have issues with a Lachezis pilot and an Astarte pilot where I "live" who always work in tandem) and we lose a few ships, but they have to kill 4 BS for it to be worth their while when we organize and gank them.
Anyway. Cloaking is fine mostly. Don't change it 
Akkarin
Linkage
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The Slayer
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:40:00 -
[62]
 Originally by: Missy Mai'la
Except for absolutely nowhere has a dev said that they are changing cloaking so you can scan out cloaked ships.
READ. THE. THREAD.
Originally by: TomB
Originally by: R3dSh1ft
I would also like to know about the possibility of scanning for a cloaked ship
Cloaked ships will be scanable, but they won't get uncloaked if they are found on the scanner.
Posted by TOMB. Are you perhaps waiting for confirmation from god before you believe it?
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:46:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
Originally by: Double TaP
Originally by: Avon
Why is this discussion continuing?
The improved system scanning in Kali will make it possible to scan down (but not uncloak) cloaked ships.
What more is needed?
Becuase you don't need to be able to scan down cloaked ships.
Yes you do. Nobody in eve should ever, ever be invincible. Cloak + Safespot currently means invincibility, so its getting nerfed. Ive also been pointed to some rather nifty Cosmos items (I think) which work like a smartbomb but have large (18 - 22K I think) range and decloak ships. Look neat :)
you can dock and be invincible. would you like forcing undocking also? or maybe in-station rockets...
Apertotes, the Guybrush Threepwood of New Eve |
The Slayer
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:53:00 -
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Sorry, yes docking should be the only time you are safe. I always hear people saying "You arent safe anywhere" in threads where people are whining about losing 20trillion zydrine in their T1 hauler in Jita. Well cloakers ARE safe, and while it shouldnt be EASY to find them, it should be possible.
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.08.09 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
Sorry, yes docking should be the only time you are safe. I always hear people saying "You arent safe anywhere" in threads where people are whining about losing 20trillion zydrine in their T1 hauler in Jita. Well cloakers ARE safe, and while it shouldnt be EASY to find them, it should be possible.
why?
Apertotes, the Guybrush Threepwood of New Eve |
The Slayer
Caldari
Millennium
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:00:00 -
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The fitting of one modules makes a person pretty much invulnerable to anything the enemy can throw at them. If that isnt unbalanced I dont know what is.
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:02:00 -
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Originally by: The Slayer
The fitting of one modules makes a person pretty much invulnerable to anything the enemy can throw at them. If that isnt unbalanced I dont know what is.
so? you dont need any module whatsoever to dock and be invulnerable.
people fitting cloak devices are already giving up a lot of things for it.
Apertotes, the Guybrush Threepwood of New Eve |
quellious
COLSUP
Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:03:00 -
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Cloak in SS is just usefull, and allow many valid offensive tactics.
It's not because you are not able to kill 1 guys in a system that the game is broken. Maybe you should play a different way (like baiting him).
However, that posts, as for nerfing neutralizer, and remove WCS, is pointless.
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Buxaroo
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:07:00 -
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OK, someone PLEASE tell me how being cloaked makes you invincible? You can't kill **** while cloaked, and most ships can't WARP without decloaking....how is it invincible? You can still kill cloaked ships, either with warp bubbles or interdictor bubbles and very fast ships. To me invicible means a TITAN. Not a paper thin cloaked frigate or cruiser. Not even a battleship.
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Azrael Bierce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Apertotes
so? you dont need any module whatsoever to dock and be invulnerable.
Ya, but you can be *found* when you are docked. People know where you are. They know you aren't spying on their mining op waiting to spring a login trap. They know you aren't just sitting waiting to jump on someone at a gate. They can keep an eye on you and worry about you when you leave.
Cloaking lets you shut down a system because nobody wants to risk a trap, and they can't get back to what they want to do because cloaks are 100% unfindable.
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Azrael Bierce
Originally by: Apertotes
so? you dont need any module whatsoever to dock and be invulnerable.
Ya, but you can be *found* when you are docked. People know where you are. They know you aren't spying on their mining op waiting to spring a login trap. They know you aren't just sitting waiting to jump on someone at a gate. They can keep an eye on you and worry about you when you leave.
Cloaking lets you shut down a system because nobody wants to risk a trap, and they can't get back to what they want to do because cloaks are 100% unfindable.
mmm... true... solution: nerf local
this way you dont know if there is someone cloaked or not, and you can have your mining op just fine
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Death Kill
Caldari
direkte
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:33:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Death Kill on 09/08/2006 18:33:43
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii
#completely gimped his locking time.
#Wasted a highslot.
#sitting in a safespot bored as hell.
Oh the horror of gimped locking time when you are running from a blob.....in your cloaked battleship.
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Avon
Caldari
Black Nova Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Buxaroo
OK, someone PLEASE tell me how being cloaked makes you invincible?
Er, not being able to be killed is pretty much the definition of invincible tbh.
Examples of how a ship can die when it is not cloaked do not prove your point.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Katura
Amarr
Victim Services
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Posted - 2006.08.09 18:58:00 -
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sigh...people have spent alot of time waiting & training for recon ships. The only adjustment I would support/not hate is one that limmits the types of ships cloaks can be placed on. Recons & coverts are ment to stay hidden, that is why people trained for them. It is bad enough that local takes 95% of the stealth away and yet you still complain about the 5% they have left.
The reasons people want them nerfed & my response:
I cant kill them & I wanty
(too bad, get better at eve)
They make my 0.0 mining ops scarey
(too bad, 0.0 is ment to be scarey & furthermore what in reality is a single covert or recon going to do to a well defended op? Answer - nothing.
So again, cloaks on recons & coverts = good
Cloaks on any other ship already have massive penalties but I guess it still makes eve is too hard for some of you.
My suggestiom, insted of training up you "cry on the forum" skill, spend the time getting better at eve.
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Guntaro
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Posted - 2006.08.12 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
Er, not being able to be killed is pretty much the definition of invincible tbh.
Examples of how a ship can die when it is not cloaked do not prove your point.
A cloaked ship is not INVINCIBLE, it is INVISIBLE and there is a big difference.
It cannot engage or be enaged by another ship UNTIL it de-cloaks.
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Anwyl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.12 19:51:00 -
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Edited by: Anwyl on 12/08/2006 19:53:40
Originally by: Guntaro
Edited by: Guntaro on 12/08/2006 18:31:33
It cannot engage or be enaged by another ship UNTIL it de-cloaks. In fact if it is in the vicinity of smart bombs it can be destroyed.
If I'm right from what I read in the cloak FAQ smartbombs don't hurt when you're cloaked, they decloak you. So you ARE invincible for as long as you're invisible
Oh, also I fly a cloaked cargo ship. It's powerful, but not invincible, you have to come out of cloak to warp and come out of warp to cloak, so a quick player can start targetting you before you cloak, and that ALSO disrupts cloak. You have to be VERY careful not to decloak. I once nearly decloaked because a BS randomly ended up within 5km of me on warp in
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Ichabod Dirange
Iscariot Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.12 20:01:00 -
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You crash often enough with the cloaking device, anyways that's my experience so losing them isn't a problem.
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Powder Monkey
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Posted - 2006.08.12 20:07:00 -
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OH MY GOD PLEASE NERF Q+CTRL KEKEK ALSO NERF DOCKING ALONG WITH GATE JUMPING WHILE UNDERFIRE KEKEE ITS LIKE TOTALY UNBALANCED.
STFU 
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Zissou
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Posted - 2006.08.12 21:41:00 -
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SS + Cloak = God
Only if 'God' = AFK
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BlackMoon Thrawn
Minmatar
the Organ Grinder and Company
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.12 22:15:00 -
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seriosly? 3 pages? you can scan for them when Kali hits. You will not decloak them you will have to work to find them and a cov-ops pilot that is not afk will be able to warp out. That seems pretty balanced to me. If you are using an improved or prototype cloak on a bs or something else lame, guess what you may just get found.
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Anwyl
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.12 23:20:00 -
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Edited by: Anwyl on 12/08/2006 23:21:14
As long as it takes scan probes to do this I'll be fine with it... otherwise you just spam scanner instead of using overview. Scan probes are required aren't they?
Originally by: Zissou
SS + Cloak = God
Only if 'God' = AFK
have you seen any miracles lately? God is OBVIOUSLY AFK.
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Phoenix vajaa
SUBLIME L.L.C.
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2006.08.13 00:24:00 -
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Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 13/08/2006 00:31:44
Edited by: Phoenix vajaa on 13/08/2006 00:29:10
Are the ss cloaked ships hurting you?
Are carriers able to use fighters well ss and cloaked?
Are they able to relay tactical info?
Are they putting you off going bpc hunting or mining?
Do they relaying tactical info a noobship or noob alt can not do?
DO they have the ability to stalk up on you and declaok hitting you at 2km?
DO they have to delcoak to warp out and escape your fleet that has turned up at their ss in the 6min they have gone for a ciggy, taken a toilet brake and grabbed a pack of crisps?
Are you incapable of not baiting a claoked hunter out with a nice ship that lookks like its npc hunting?
Are you incapable of using cloaked ships alongside a peice of bait to counter trap the cloaker?
Are you unable to kill the carier's fighters if he decloaked for 5min and uses a frig to agro some 1 with them?
1. NO. It's cloaked at a ss so it can't fire on you scan you, jam you or anything else.
2. NO. They can't launch or deligate fighters well cloaked and what more any fighters out when he cloak's are lost control of.
3. YES, if they happene to be in scaner range they can scan items in local and relay whos in local.
4. Yes cus you never know when they may pounce.
5. NO. infact a noob alt can probably do more as no one ever bothers to probe noobs ships.
6. NO. unless they art covert ops in wich case they will warp from their ss remaining cloaked when you warp in.
7. Yes and frankly how is that fair on a ship bigger than a bc?
8. NO every 1 who is in 0.0 should be organised enogth to use basic tactics.
9. NO most corps in 0.0 have recon ship pilots.
10. Most corps in 0.0 should be able to organise a ss to lure fighters to the use hacs to kill them. If that fails you can alwas just insat dock to that nice npc outpost your living in or the pos you settup.
IS 0.0 FOR THE WEAK? IS IT RIGHT THAT HAVING A POS IN SYSTEM MEANS NO ONE BUT A 70 MAN BLOB CAN'T HASSEL YOU?
why does every 1 talk of cloaks like they are the uber 100% hardener that reduces all nme dammage to 0.1.
the fact of the matter is every 1 moaning about them is in a allaince or corp that can't go mine in their faivourit systembecause their is a hostile sat cloaked and ss, MAYBE OR MAYBE NOT active and waiting to descend upon them.
problem is 0.0 alliances dont have the patients to camp him in till he gets bored.
but he has the patients to wait maybe 5 hours for a target o opertunity.
come on its 1 vs 50-60 its pathetic.
AND even if the scanner gets changed all it will mean is these people will move hip in as normal.
safe it and log it.
Move in a noob alt in a shuttle, keep that logged on and use as scout.
then log on main when target presents itself.
they will probably even start logging them in the system next door and wait.
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