The abolition of podjumping makes it massively difficult for our newbies to join us in Deklein. Has any thought been put into that?

This is untrue; any two timers close in time but far in distance will be quite difficult to defend against. Not impossible, especially if you use local forces to defend, but more difficult to bring coalition weight to bear.

Are there workarounds? Sure, there always will be, but it's extremely discouraged.

I expect a lot more roaming coming into our Eve.

I am not playing a game to WAIT.

A fully fit boot/slowcat only costs like 2.5b which is less than a week of ratting or mission running on a casual schedule.

The initial price tag may seem daunting but they are fully insurable t1 ships and every nullsec entity reimburses them for the full price of the hull and required fittings (or they just give you a replacement ship) if you lose it on an op with an approved FC.

Have you considered allowing caps to shed fatigue by jumping through gates? IE I have a 20 minute cool down until I can jump again. If I jump through 3 gates it drops it down to 5 minutes or some sort of formula.

Also I don't see why it is too difficult for new pilots to get into 0.0, they just need a wormhole or to use an interceptor, then the alliance should provide everything else they need in 0.0 space for them.

I then stopped and realised "Wow these changes are hugely beneficial to me and most people for many reasons"

So why exactly does stuff always have to be over done?

Capitals jumping trough gates? Thats just plain wrong....

Why not just add a Jump Drive cooldown.
1st jump 5 min cooldown, 2nd jump 10 min cooldown, 3rd jump 20 min cooldown. etc etc Jump counter resets 24 hours after last jump.
limit the jump range to 5 - 8 LY depending on ship.

by traversing a wormhole to get there . . .

lol @ calling dropping more supers than the other guy "elite pvp"

FYI jump fatigue and jump activation timers will NOT be affected by TiDi. They will also continue running during downtime or while an account is lapsed.

I do love the idea of a capital ship jumping into a gate camp.

Dear CCP
Remember that it is us, 5+ year characters, that make for most of your monthly subs and implicitly, salaries.

Use Moon Goo to make your t2 hulls

What if CCP wanted your alliance to share the hard work of logistics because they think that just a few dudes supplying an alliance is borked?

We're finally moving away from Amazon.co.uk in Jita. Which is great.

Nicer tuning options, yes, but we want to keep the math as simple as possible, so people can more easily wrap their heads around it.

Rorq/JF with the 90% bonus on exhaustion accumulation is near enough to an exemption. I'll concede that you guys have vastly larger logistical problems than we do, so I suppose even that 10% will get annoying for you. The range, though, is the huge quality of life nerf that will effect anyone who lives further than a few gates into null.

Also, I propose nerfing Jump Drive Calibration somewhat -- with the current proposal, caps have a base 2.22 LY jump range, which gets extended to 5 with JDC 5. I'd recommend drastically reducing JDC to 5% per level (currently 25%) and bumping base range to 4. This makes caps a lot more useful without a 37d train tacked on.

Seriously this is not that bad of a change. Logistics will be fine. With the 90% reduction for Rorq and JF pilots an 8 jump trip takes 48 min if you wait out the fatigue timer after each jump. This is ment to penalize a group moving say 10 titans to a system that takes 3 jumps in a hurry. they will then be stuck thee for hours unable to jump out. I like this! Gives us a chance to catch them.

Bravo CCP

Does CCP think most of the people saying they like this change in this thread are serious? Or do they understand that majority of them are just trolling?

Cuz it's not a job?

Will be fun to change corp.
If caps not are going trou JB why add fatigue to that as well?

and having industrialists in null is a bad thing? Being able to move large quantities of ships, mods whatever from high to null is a part of the problem. Now null pvp'ers will have to stop treating miners like crap and actually accept that they need them to survive.

as with fatigue and cooldowns, why have such a ridiculously high limit? what are you preventing people from doing by dropping this to, say, once a month? and if people really want to they'll just make a new corp, so the once per year limit is totally arbitrary.

Take a ship , undock , fly there .... o// problem solved.

OW wait you're affraid you're gonna be too late to enjoy that content , wich will mean there is another side who VERRY much enjoyed their content as the reinforcements came way too late.Those guys also paid to have fun remember ...


You're convincing me even more that CCP is on the right track here ...

Please please put whomever put the "expel from corp" button next to "expel from fleet" in charge of this!
And make sure the default spawn a point in space about 12km off gate in Tama inline with the highsec gate.

Consider it expectations management and a loud HTFU as an introduction to the cruel beauty that is New Eden.

1. Just because you don't like the solution, doesn't mean it's not a solution to the problem they're looking to solve. None of the changes as written introduce boredom IMO. If you choose to sit on your hands waiting all the time rather than using the mechanics available - you know, gates - then that's your own fault, not CCP's.

4. Supers and Titans will still have a role. Invulnerable hotdropo'clock mobiles won't be it - but they will have a role. Inventive players (which may or may not include you) can probably find all kinds of ways to use them effectively. Like, say, notice they have Clone Vats and SMAs.

You, sir, have a very strange definition for "everyone". Try, "everyone = cap pilots in large null alliances"

All I have heard about so far is how nobody will be able to use there supers or caps any more.

NOBODY IS SAYING THAT AT ALL! blah blah blah you are going to have to wait! Else.... blah blah blah !

blah blah blah YOU ARE JUST GOING TO HAVE TO WAIT! blah blah blah !

blah blah blah

Don't take it out if you can't afford to lose it. Number 1 rule of eve.

That, the ships themselves, and anything else you might be investing in your current ventures.

I agree it gimps JFs, but if you wait 15 minutes between jumps then you don't accumulate fatigue. Not the end of the world and the trade off is worth it IMO.

This is assuming that you gain 1.5 fatigue per jump. I would quote me with those numbers. I'm not the best with math.

Rookie ships are freely available (though I'd still love to get BP's for them). That being said, I would actually love seeing BS and above all having a 500 m3 SMH for fitting a shuttle in it. I've gotten addicted to sticking a shuttle in my DST's fleet hangar and being able to shuttle around to scout or simply to move around while waiting.

. Which, you know, is kinda the point of these changes - to force you to pick your fights.

You won't be able to be everywhere you want to be anymore.

What's interesting is there has been no discernible movement in PLEX prices or Jump Freighter prices since these proposed changes have been announced.

That statement is not accurate. EVE developers are definitely permitted to play the game in any region on their personal accounts.

Putting JF's on fatigue schedule likely has to do with other in-game objectives. It would be nice to see some people give thought to how they will work around limits on JF service. Our corp/alliance is looking into moving compressed ore via cloaky hauler and building our large volume items (ship hulls, cap boosters, etc...) on-site and not ship them in from Jita. Other mods are still going to be shipped in but in cloaky haulers. In fact, it'll probably put less strain on our logistics guys doing it this way since you can haul more ship's worth of minerals in a cloaky hauler than you can haul ships in a JF.

Will large volume items have to be built locally? Is this a bad thing if they are?

NULL IS ALREADY DEAD
Get that through your head.

No one cares about it,
no one flies in it.
Any change is good change.

Power projection permeates all game activity now. Everywhere. Pew pvp and market pvp.

The game is growing more stale by the day.
Concurrent player count is evidence of this.

http://evemaps.dotlan.net/stats

So numbers seem to give your claim the lie. All the top activity is going on in null - and HERO is generating tons of content in sov null. All this and more with everyone power projecting at once into our space. Oh noes! People can play with us and not just be isolated into their part of the map!!!!!!!



I still fail to see how making everyone much further apart and adding long timers to normal game play will in any way make eve more fun and less stale.

Making space long and tedious and boring to move across will create a strong disincentive to move around. Space will calcify. Maybe some regions will go up for grabs. But that's a short term phenomenon. Once that transient period ends, it'll just be entrenched neighbor vs entrenched neighbor. No more 3rd parties or bat phones for variarion of content. Not being able to be bat phoned means there will be less fights you can choose to be a part of.

Think about it this way - without power projection the likelihood you will be in a fight at any given moment is proportional to the frequency with which fights happen near you. With power projection it's the joint probability of near you or far from you. The likelihood of fighting with power projection for any individual player is therefore much greater with power projection.

It's insane to think that making space bigger in any way creates more content. It doesn't even create more indy content because you'll still be importing from Jita, but you'll just be moving your null market systems from strategic militarily systems to more strategic logistically.

If they really want to nerf power projection just make a 25LY cap on jumping per day applicable to all combat capitals. That way it takes a few days to go across space but within regions you can jump across rapidly. That allows defense and offense to be quick and fun. Making the staging to a fight take 40 minutes structurally is absolutely stupid.

Oh gawd, the 28 mids to get back home from empire are still gonna suck, but this could actually work....

What they weren't taking into consideration is that the average 0.0 dweller doesn't really want to fight. othing will change.

So yeah, they could introduce some tools that would provide a counter to force projection. AOE weapons that rendered a fleet's jump and warp drives inoperable for a while would be an idea. If you made such a weapon too accessible, though, nobody would be going anywhere, because it'd be a griefer's delight. Make it only accessible to those with lots of isk, and you've probably made matters worse.

Best change ever, just do it!
I cant wait to pick up a freighter full and jump gates in 0.0 with armed escort... I can see some crazy logistics being doing, like 10-20 freighters jumping gate to gate with armed squads protecting them, and fights happening around those supplies.

The number of ship kills on dot-lan doesn't really mean much, friend. There's a difference between friendly skirmishes with a roaming gang and fighting tooth and nail for your space. Few 0.0 dwellers want to do that. Hence the current map.

Yea, their using that mobility to, what, oh yea, go to Catch and fight easy targets. PL is brave enough to hotdrop a couple of cruisers in low though. That's pretty brave of them.

1 - I know that it happened before, People what to see it again. Due to the 0.0 sov changes more people are willing to move and live in 0.0 since after changes the possibility to conquer a small place to live even if you are not big as an corp or alliance seens to be possible, specially if people cant project their power in any place of eve in just 1 minute with a cyno chain. Maybe this time for once null will not be completely empty and boring as ****.

2 - So why logistic players are crying so much? Tbh they should remove JF from the game at all.

3 - If so the proximity to high sec at least will bring more possibility for small fights to happen

The game would be a lot more fun if people tried relying on each other instead of alts

Can you elaborate?

You ignore the massive amount of people pleased with this change. Any change is going to upset some users, but in business you dont hold your breath and freeze in your tracks if you want to compete and thrive, you drive on.

one thing that no one seems to mention is that after this patch alowing caps to use gates, the unreachable drone regions won't be so unreachable anymore

p.s: they will be just one gate jump away form VENAL

Reposted because there hasn't been a dev response. I didn't see a similar suggestion before CCP Greyscale went offline, and none of his responses responded to this particular idea.

Jump fatigue should be a single value that generates at the same rate regardless of ship type.
Jump cooldown should be calculated based on jump fatigue at a variable rate depending on ship type, or skills, or implants, or boosters or whatever other variables you want to throw in.

This approach would offer a solution to the BLOPS and JF problem by allowing BLOPS pilots to jump more often, even while generating levels of fatigue that would prevent jumping for a long (even very long) period of time were the pilot to move over to a cap.

Separating fatigue and cooldown in this way, making the one a global stat for the pilot, and the other a calculated value applied in the ship at the moment of the jump based on lots of mutable variables offers many gameplay options for the player and tuning controls for the devs.

If you see downsides, post them.

And this goal is, frankly, insane. You are taking ships that have more DPS and more tank than a BS, the ability to select weapon systems that best target whatever is thrown against them, and the capability to refit modules on the fly, and putting them on the same plane as every subcap ship in the game. The only reason that some believe capitals ships have been rendered useless is because they are stuck in the mind-set that capital ships are different than subcaps. But, asside from having a GTFO button they can press on occasion, they're now the same thing, only better.

B-R already showed that subcaps were irrelevent for the massive, news-breaking battles. Now, they're going to be irrelevent for all battles outside of highsec.