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Yolan 20th Legion	Posted - 2006.08.11 15:05:00 - [31] "True" metal fans are the ones that dont go around sayin im a true metal fan. If you have to go around trying to conform to some sterotypical image of what a metal fan should be then more fool you.
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 15:20:00 - [32] <insert family_fortunes_wrong_answer.wav> actually its all about shouting your head off about being tr00. 'comforming' as you put it however is totally unrelated. in fact, its people like you that constantly steer these types of threads into discussions revolving around 'conforming' and 'stereotyping' and all that bs whereas no one else really cares. ***
Yolan 20th Legion	Posted - 2006.08.11 15:25:00 - [33] You are the one that started the thread with "true metal fans". What is "true" metal, it is a totally subjective term and in reality there is no such thing as true metal.
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 16:31:00 - [34] le sigh well, just for you then, the big print version with the crayola crayon pictures... True metal, as opposed to any other rubbish is quite simple. Its about music. perhaps it would be easier to describe what is not, to more clearly establish what is. for a good example of what is not, turn on kerrap and turn your attention to the multitude of pathetic childish bands whos main goal is to look pretty, to make homosexual songs about how their parents make them do their homework and their dads bum them so millions of little whiney teenagers will spend all their money on their shyte manufactured 'music'. for them, its about what their agencies tell them little kiddies want to buy. its not about music, but rather about money. this makes these thousands of bands NO different to the crap produced from the likes of pop idol. real metal is about talented writing with little regard for polished production quality, music that you can bang your head to, drink loads of beer to and have a laugh. not some ***** emo sold in woolworths that some 15 yr old listens to in his bedroom whilst scratching himself with a bic razor. this is not to say a band cannot enojoy commercial success- cradle of filth are a good example of this- their last few albums have sold a shed load of copies, partly due to channels like kerrap and s etc.. however, when it came down to it and sony told them to play a more mainstreem style, they turned down the massive contract and went back to recording on their own house lable. metallica on the other hand said 'great'- and completely changed their style to increase sales. they are now ranked 5th in the entire music industry for record sales, after michael jackson. this is pretty *** far from true. its giving two fingers too their old fans who got them their in order to gain a bigger market of noobs who are willing to throw their money at them. when it comes to images and conformatsim and stereotypes and all that bs, if youre concerned with that, join the kerrap crowd. anyone whos into real metal understands that aside from the performers, image has little or nothing to do with it. as afore mentioned, yes there are some consistancies within the metal scene when it comes to dress, ie leather, denim, combat boots etc. reasons for these, a mixture of practicality, band influence, personal taste-whatevever, but under no circumstances should it be because you think thats the way you should or shouldnt look because you listen to a particualr type of music- and trust me, those that do stick out like a sore thumb in the company of those that dont. anythign else youre unclear on? *
Yolan 20th Legion	Posted - 2006.08.11 17:05:00 - [35] Originally by: valerydarcy le sigh well, just for you then, the big print version with the crayola crayon pictures... True metal, as opposed to any other rubbish is quite simple. Its about music. perhaps it would be easier to describe what is not, to more clearly establish what is. for a good example of what is not, turn on kerrap and turn your attention to the multitude of pathetic childish bands whos main goal is to look pretty, to make homosexual songs about how their parents make them do their homework and their dads bum them so millions of little whiney teenagers will spend all their money on their shyte manufactured 'music'. for them, its about what their agencies tell them little kiddies want to buy. its not about music, but rather about money. this makes these thousands of bands NO different to the crap produced from the likes of pop idol. real metal is about talented writing with little regard for polished production quality, music that you can bang your head to, drink loads of beer to and have a laugh. not some ***** emo sold in woolworths that some 15 yr old listens to in his bedroom whilst scratching himself with a bic razor. this is not to say a band cannot enojoy commercial success- cradle of filth are a good example of this- their last few albums have sold a shed load of copies, partly due to channels like kerrap and s etc.. however, when it came down to it and sony told them to play a more mainstreem style, they turned down the massive contract and went back to recording on their own house lable. metallica on the other hand said 'great'- and completely changed their style to increase sales. they are now ranked 5th in the entire music industry for record sales, after michael jackson. this is pretty ***** far from true. its giving two fingers too their old fans who got them their in order to gain a bigger market of noobs who are willing to throw their money at them. when it comes to images and conformatsim and stereotypes and all that bs, if youre concerned with that, join the kerrap crowd. anyone whos into real metal understands that aside from the performers, image has little or nothing to do with it. as afore mentioned, yes there are some consistancies within the metal scene when it comes to dress, ie leather, denim, combat boots etc. reasons for these, a mixture of practicality, band influence, personal taste-whatevever, but under no circumstances should it be because you think thats the way you should or shouldnt look because you listen to a particualr type of music- and trust me, those that do stick out like a sore thumb in the company of those that dont. anythign else youre unclear on? Guess you proved my point with the above unparagraphed rant. One mans "True Metal" is another mans crap. Just to be clear on this i'm not some kid who listens to Kerrang, im in my mid thirties and grew up on Iron Maiden, Metallica, AC/DC and am one of the biggest Ministry fans around, I will listen to anything thats not pop or hip hop. But just because you do not like something doesn't make any less real metal to someone else. You understand?
Wintersun QC	Posted - 2006.08.11 17:05:00 - [36] Mainly the following: Children of Bodom (pre-newest album) Opeth Into Eternity unexpecT (Quebec band) Testament In Flames (Old) Iron Maiden Amon Amarth Arch Enemy Wintersun And that's pretty much it.
Melkor Bloodaxe Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.08.11 18:45:00 - [37] Edited by: Melkor Bloodaxe on 11/08/2006 18:48:57 Originally by: Yolan You are the one that started the thread with "true metal fans". What is "true" metal, it is a totally subjective term and in reality there is no such thing as true metal. A "true metal fan" in my eyes is someone who mainly listens to Hard Rock and all forms of Metal. And above all someone who listens to that kind of music because he LIKES IT! and not someone who tends to like it for the sake of being part of the metal-group (wannabee so to say) Oh, and Valery, you are also quite right about the "stay true to your roots" thing (like your CoF and Metalica comment) ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing- TEAM MINMATAR - In Rust We Trust -
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 19:29:00 - [38] Edited by: valerydarcy on 11/08/2006 19:33:06 double post :/ ***
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.11 19:33:00 - [39] Originally by: Yolan Guess you proved my point with the above unparagraphed rant. One mans "True Metal" is another mans crap. Just to be clear on this i'm not some kid who listens to Kerrang, im in my mid thirties and grew up on Iron Maiden, Metallica, AC/DC and am one of the biggest Ministry fans around, I will listen to anything thats not pop or hip hop. But just because you do not like something doesn't make any less real metal to someone else. You understand? well, not really- people are entitled to liten to and like what they will, of course. however, this is not to say that you cannot distinguish between what is real metal and what isnt. still, regardless, when i started this thread it was never my intention to get into a pointless argument over definitions. youve had your say, ive had mine, lets leave it at that. ***
Buxaroo Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:29:00 - [40] I am a metal fan bigtime. My first metal albums (yes, real record albums hehe with great artwork) were Sabbath and Iron Maiden. My first metal CD: Metallica's Master of Puppets. One of the best metal albums ever made. I still listen to it every once in awhile. Some of my favorite bands in no particular order: Tool (what I like to call cerebrial metal. These guys are great in concert.) Dream Theater (probably the best musicians in in metal, not to mention any music. I would love to see these Limp Bizkits wussies try to play some of DT's music live.) Black Sabbath (All of the first albums all the way up to when Dio was fronting for them. Don't care for most of the stuff afterwards. Not to mention the godfathers of metal, no question.) Slayer (Reign in Blood was my first thrash album. Still one of the most aggressive albumes ever made. To me Reign and Metallica's Puppets reign as the best metal albums ever made and the most influential.) Celtic Frost (one of the first black metal bands. My favorite album of theirs was Into the Pandemonium. I guess you could call them avant garde in some respects.) There are lots of others which I will update when I remember, too damn early
ClawKnight Veto.	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:49:00 - [41] Metal > all I listen to stuff like: Dragonforce In flames Lamb of God Edguy Iron Maiden Dream Evil Dream Theater Children of Bodom etc.. Pretty much anything metal is ftw if you ask me. Going to be attending the unholy alliance in november, now thats some sherious metal right there.
Cordt LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.08.12 13:55:00 - [42] Edited by: Cordt on 12/08/2006 13:57:17 Edited by: Cordt on 12/08/2006 13:56:38 I bust mills to: All That Remains Arch Enemy Amon Amarth Darkane The Agony Scene Bloodbath The Plague Strapping Young Lad Lamb of God Slayer Metallica (before the band died with Clif) Machinehead Voivod Mushroomhead Chimaira Soilwork Fear Factory In Flames Mnemic Trivium Children of Bodom Pantera Sepultura (old Seps ftw) Soulfly Nile Napalm Death Ministry Iced Earth Heaven Shall Burn Caliban Dope Devildriver Carcass 3 Inches of Blood Therion Terminal Dyscord Diablo ZAO The Black Dahlia Murder Entombed Byzantine Static-X Rorschach Test That's all I've got off the top of my head. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Dethis Caldari Eve University	Posted - 2006.08.12 14:00:00 - [43] Edited by: Dethis on 12/08/2006 14:01:28 Id consider myself a metal fan i usually listen to Cradle of filth, Arch enemy, Dark Tranquility, Disturbed, Slayer, Nightwish, In Flames, Pantera, Soilwork etc. The more screaming the better i like it pretty much -------- Kill em all and let god sort em out
Amataras Minmatar EtherCore	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:31:00 - [44] Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! ------- The Eve Diplomacy Table
Leilani Solaris Gallente 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:46:00 - [45] I listen to all metal really, death metal, black metal, classic rock, thrash etc etc (not emo ). Seen god knows how many bands... off the top of my head quickly.. Iron maiden twice (seeing them again in december on christmas day ), Cannibal Corpse, Children of Bodom, Slayer, Slipknot, Amon Amarth, Down, Decapitated, Gamma Ray, Stratovarius, Sonata Arctica twice, Primal Fear and shed loads of others but i can't be bothered to remember them all
Melkor Bloodaxe Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:41:00 - [46] Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! LOL I know I actually should ignore you... There's a cultural youth centre not far from here. often they have metal bands playing. You know what? NEVER EVER has there ben a fight between metalheads there. Once in a while they have a dance party. Result: fights between dance-lovers. Also r&b acts once in a while. Result: Same as the dance parties. Oh, and you know? A lot of metalheads I know are graduated engineers. So STFU. nuff said ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing- TEAM MINMATAR - In Rust We Trust -
Buxaroo Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:42:00 - [47] Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! Ah, nice of the Republican conservatives to put their 2-cents in!
Rex Jorval Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:55:00 - [48] Rob Zombie/White Zombie Powerman 5000 Fear Factory Disturbed these are my favorite metal bands that i keep listening.
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 20:22:00 - [49] Edited by: valerydarcy on 12/08/2006 20:23:09 Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! i believe that was sarcasm, considering the link to recenty played tracks.. and, despite the fact that you have a mis-titled cover of the final coutdown there, the fact that you have recently listened to Sonata Arctica û Destruction Preventer makes it all good :p that song pwnzorz although if im wrong.. please correct me ***
Ithuriel Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.12 20:43:00 - [50] Originally by: Buxaroo Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! Ah, nice of the Republican conservatives to put their 2-cents in! Don't start that. My father's probably the most hardcore conservative/Republican I've ever meet, and he raised me listening to his Metallica, Maiden, Megadeth and Sabbath vinyl collection.
Amataras Minmatar EtherCore	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:02:00 - [51] Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 22:02:42 Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 22:02:26 Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! LOL I know I actually should ignore you... There's a cultural youth centre not far from here. often they have metal bands playing. You know what? NEVER EVER has there ben a fight between metalheads there. Once in a while they have a dance party. Result: fights between dance-lovers. Also r&b acts once in a while. Result: Same as the dance parties. Oh, and you know? A lot of metalheads I know are graduated engineers. So STFU. nuff said tee hee hee that was my last.fm profile i was linking to and i have enough hair to weave a door mat ------- The Eve Diplomacy Table
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:48:00 - [52] its all about long hair. its not an image thing, it just gives meaning to headbanging- little bit of hair goes a long way when it comes to momentum :p my long haired days are numbered.. mummy says im going to have to grow up and get a real job one day but not just yet ***
Antoinette Civari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:16:00 - [53] Originally by: valerydarcy my long haired days are numbered.. mummy says im going to have to grow up and get a real job one day My mom said that too, but I said "**** that, there must be a reason they invented universities".
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:37:00 - [54] lol.. im at one- and im entering my final year ***
xeom Obsidian Sins	Posted - 2006.08.13 04:27:00 - [55] Hmm i wouldn't say im a pure metal head.But i won't listen to any emo or hip-hop. Rammstein The mad capsule markets Lamb of god NIN(sometimes its metal,he likes to change his mind every album) Apoclyptica <3 Flogging molly Tool CCP where are our t2 shield power relays? \| Join[..SIN]
Electric Cucumber Amarr Beagle Corp	Posted - 2006.08.13 11:15:00 - [56] Edited by: Electric Cucumber on 13/08/2006 11:16:57 Nevermore Kamelot Metallica X Japan Savatage Sonata Arctica Black Label Society ... Xeom flogging molly is not metal
Melkor Bloodaxe Minmatar LEGI0N	Posted - 2006.08.13 17:48:00 - [57] Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 22:02:42 Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 22:02:26 Originally by: Melkor Bloodaxe Originally by: Amataras Edited by: Amataras on 12/08/2006 16:31:03 Metallers are all worthless layabouts, they should be either shot or have their silly long hair cut and put to work building prisons for the rest of their kind! LOL I know I actually should ignore you... There's a cultural youth centre not far from here. often they have metal bands playing. You know what? NEVER EVER has there ben a fight between metalheads there. Once in a while they have a dance party. Result: fights between dance-lovers. Also r&b acts once in a while. Result: Same as the dance parties. Oh, and you know? A lot of metalheads I know are graduated engineers. So STFU. nuff said tee hee hee that was my last.fm profile i was linking to and i have enough hair to weave a door mat I knew it... ____ "Since when is justified killing more fun than random killing?" -HippoKing- TEAM MINMATAR - In Rust We Trust -
IDesert FoxI	Posted - 2006.08.13 18:07:00 - [58] Iron Maiden. Seeing them in December :D
Annya Avishnaya Quantum Industries Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.08.14 05:10:00 - [59] Dunno what you figure as "true" metalhead, but my current favourite bands: Nightwish Battlelore After Forever Within Temptation Black Label Society Tristania Evanescence Linkin Park Disturbed Blind Guardian In that order Nightwish FTW <3 It's a band that for me will never get old I prefer the bands with a female lead, it gives a nice contrast between the vocals and the music that really does it for me. Originally by: Joshua Foiritain The people you dont trust arent the ones you should worry about.
valerydarcy The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.14 11:05:00 - [60] nightwish seems to have been the most popular band thus far dont get me wrong, i have all their albums as well, they are good- saw em live twice with tarja- and they were pretty magical live. but theyve had their chips now- despite the fact that toumas maintains he will find a new vocalist and release a new album, and despite the fact that he wrote all their songs, they still wont be the same again simply because she was the face and the sound of nightwish. ***

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