This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?

C.

This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?

C.

And this is relevant to the issue how ??

of course you set your gfx options to "high" before posting this

RIGHT?

The nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show all of the background stars.
That's is killing 3D look of nebulaes and they are looking like wallpapers...

You do know that in real life nebulas have stars both in front and behind and they shine through, right?

I thought it looked fine and 3D enough. They look so realistic that now the stations need improvements to look less cartoonish in comparison, but one thing at a time, k? No need to be rude to our HOSTS, we are guests on their servers.

This thread got me looking a bit more closely.

Some of the darker area's on the video do indeed block out the stars, which does give a bit more dimension to the Nebulae.

On Sisi only the very bright area's block out the stars, all dark area's that I checked tended to let the stars shine through. It's a subtle difference in effect that doesn't bother me much at all. However, I have to admit that the way they are handled in the video looks a bit better.

you realize that stars can be in front of the dust lanes right?

I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh

And if you are guest... how do you become guest???
i would be guest too... because for guests is all free...
you know... i am a customer here... I PAY... and still TEST their product for free... and because that i expect at least an response.

well if it looks good in the video (recorded using someone elses gfx card and settings)
and it looks bad on your machine on sisi, perhaps the issue is with your gfx setup not rendering the view the same as the dev who recorded it


and really, the OP should be boiled in oil posting about gfx issues while playing on a laptop display adapter....

If you actually THINK for 2 seconds.....the programming code and video card power needed to generate all the Particle stuff for actual 3D Gas Nebulae so that YOU can be 'physically encompassed' by them.........I do not want to PAY for that.

Indeed a ridiculous WHINE here............................

THEY LOOK FREAKING FANTASTIC.

Take that attitude of entitlement that paying means you can be rude and demanding to the host of a venue to any of the bars in my neighborhood, and a brawny tattooed guy will show you to the sidewalk at butt-bruising high velocity no matter how much cover you paid or drinks you bought. Think about it. Honey and vinegar people, if you are sweet everyone will want into your hive, but vinegar is for douches.

well if it looks good in the video (recorded using someone elses gfx card and settings)
and it looks bad on your machine on sisi, perhaps the issue is with your gfx setup not rendering the view the same as the dev who recorded it


and really, the OP should be boiled in oil posting about gfx issues while playing on a laptop display adapter....

What attitude?
you are talking about guests...

I only writing response to CCP plea and don't like that when you do favor to some person he/she dont response you back...

Considering those are screen shots done with a top of the line video card, I'd say optional is not an option.

So you will be downloading 201 megs, which are then compressed, I can't tell you the exact compressed size at this time. The maps were authored at twice the resolution we are delivering them in, and they are compressed. Ofc, they look much better uncompressed and in full resolution, so we might offer those as an optional download at some point in the future, for the die hard astronomy addicts with space on their hard drives and video ram to spare.

When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size

I want a optional high quality nebulae pack, please.

I posted this in the other thread ("The new nebulae."):


See below:



2GB for the entire uncompressed pack really isn't so bad. Since there are 68 unique backgrounds now, you're looking at 29MB per background. There are plenty of GPUs that can handle this, so something like an optional download for the people who want and can run it is certainly realistic. The nebulae featured in the Crucible wallpapers are cube maps. They're static images and not the actual CG renders of the nebulae.

Client size is the only limiting factor on CCP's end. Offer an optional download and everyone will be happy. If anything, I would think that CCP would like to have an option like this available for those who want it since they put so much hard work into these backgrounds to begin with.

I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh

you know what you see when you're flying inside of a nebula?


nothing. even as "the denser regions of space" nebulae are extremely sparse. your ships scanners would know, but your eyes would not.

The nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show all of the background stars.
That's is killing 3D look of nebulaes and they are looking like wallpapers...

Players wrote about that problem in Test Server Feedback forums for weeks but no one wants to talk to us... like some other problems too...

We are a little disappointed with this. The nebulae should look as how they're shown in this video. They should definitely possess some depth to them.

And we are disappointed with CCPs "communication" with players that are testing features on SiSi before releasing on TQ.
We just want to show you the problems... and if you cant fix it... just say it... don't ignore us.

2GB for the entire uncompressed pack really isn't so bad. Since there are 68 unique backgrounds now, you're looking at 29MB per background. There are plenty of GPUs that can handle this, so something like an optional download for the people who want and can run it is certainly realistic. The nebulae featured in the Crucible wallpapers are cube maps. They're static images and not the actual CG renders of the nebulae.

Client size is the only limiting factor on CCP's end. Offer an optional download and everyone will be happy. If anything, I would think that CCP would like to have an option like this available for those who want it since they put so much hard work into these backgrounds to begin with.

If you actually THINK for 2 seconds.....the programming code and video card power needed to generate all the Particle stuff for actual 3D Gas Nebulae so that YOU can be 'physically encompassed' by them.........I do not want to PAY for that.

Indeed a ridiculous WHINE here............................

THEY LOOK FREAKING FANTASTIC.

Well, actually, it wasn't a big problem to run one million particles
on GeForce 6 Series already ... now scale that to modern times
and you get something like this -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSWm_VImgFQ

Your argument bares any base. It's ******* easy to do volumetric clouds
and it's not a hard effort for nowadays GPUs to render a million particles,
which would already be enough for any amount of nebulaes on screen.

Ridiculous ... congratulations.

Did I mention yet that the nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show the background stars?

Damn, someone messed up the alpha channels, ending up just turning black areas to transparent and now instead of dark dust obscuring stars they instead show everything behind.

I have Krixtal on ignore. Maybe you should do the same since they never have a clue as to what they're talking about.

Really, when we're talking about the depth of the nebulae, we're talking about this:



Watch this video and look at the Gallente nebula. See those dark brown sections? In that video, they're very opaque, thus giving the nebula a good sense of depth. Now look at the same nebula on Singularity. Those brown sections are completely transparent when they shouldn't be. I mean, sure, it's perfectly okay to see stars in front of the nebula now that we have the new star field that shows nearby stars, but background stars should be blocked out, and in this case, they aren't.

Also notice the muddy nebula texture in that screenshot. I hate it. That muddiness is exactly why I want that 2GB nebula pack.

If you actually THINK for 2 seconds.....the programming code and video card power needed to generate all the Particle stuff for actual 3D Gas Nebulae so that YOU can be 'physically encompassed' by them.........I do not want to PAY for that.

Indeed a ridiculous WHINE here............................

THEY LOOK FREAKING FANTASTIC.

Also, we didn't realize that the nebula's are 13 billion lightyears away, and that is why we can see all the stars of the galaxy in the dark areas.

No, we didn't realize that.

Also, we didn't realize that the nebula's are 13 billion lightyears away, and that is why we can see all the stars of the galaxy in the dark areas.

nebulae are not necessarily at the edge of the known universe meight

what particle???

only thing that can use more power is if solid color use more power then transparent...

You know nothng of coding.

lol, expectations are your problem

it was never to be what you said

its designed to look better and retain its relative positioning as you travel, so you appear to be traveling in respect to the background, and not traveling in a skybox.

IE if you move lightyears closer to a feature of a neb, it should appear that way in space

Pictures or it didnt happen becuase I have no idea what shes ratting on.

Aside from that I am extremly glad CCP took screen captures of the models instead of having us RENDER said models. Shivers at the thought of the 400mb scene captures they had to deal with, which means the real model is somewhere in the neighborhood of a couple terrabytes large.

err.. meants to say 400gigs.

Also this is stuff you cannot simply have downloaded on the harddrive and have it load up into the client as you play you would simply not have the memory like some of the developers fun toys do.

lets see.

You want ships with 500mb shadowmaps there are about 610 models now so thats 305 gigs there of infomration

Then the captures are 400gigs each with 80 regions total that puts us at 36.8 terrabytes.

lets see.

You want ships with 500mb shadowmaps there are about 610 models now so thats 305 gigs there of infomration

Then the captures are 400gigs each with 80 regions total that puts us at 36.8 terrabytes.

fully agreed. hopefully it's fixed over time, but it's a half-assed job now and a wasted of potential

I think you need to go view the art dept youtube video again then. Im sorry it looks so unrealistic, obviously im not the only one that thinks that. Also i really cant understand why everyone is tugging themselves, this is nothing new at all, nebs in spaces games have been out for years, CCP are just 5 years behind! You need to get out more :)
I mean sorry but Galaxy on Fire 2 on a bloody smart phone looks better space wise! Sorry but it does! even X3 looked better and that was 5 years ago! I dont mean to put a dampner on it but seriously get a grip, in year 2011 game graphics have moved in massively, eve is still way behind...

Did I mention yet that the nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show the background stars?

Damn, someone messed up the alpha channels, ending up just turning black areas to transparent and now instead of dark dust obscuring stars they instead show everything behind.

Considering those are screen shots done with a top of the line video card, I'd say optional is not an option.

So you will be downloading 201 megs, which are then compressed, I can't tell you the exact compressed size at this time. The maps were authored at twice the resolution we are delivering them in, and they are compressed. Ofc, they look much better uncompressed and in full resolution, so we might offer those as an optional download at some point in the future, for the die hard astronomy addicts with space on their hard drives and video ram to spare.

When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size

sounds reasonable.

^^ LMFAO

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

As Torfi has mentioned before we are discussing the possibility of making optional downloads a reality. If we can make that happen and you have a graphics card that can handle it, then why not?
There is more to it for us than just making the art assets available for download. We have to have some way of maintaining and updating optional downloads, plus some handy way for you to select them at your will.
Now on the subject of blocking the stars. We have been looking into how to make that a reality and as you see in the video from Fanfest it was our intent from the beginning. Unfortunately things don't always go as planned.
Because of the compression artifact that you get in some of the textures now, we would like to explore some better ways of storing them, and also the possibility of optional high quality downloads. Until we know for sure that the format we have is the best we can come up with without killing performance, we just donGÇÖt want to be pushing nebulae content updates, and new tech to support it, over and over again to the community. We truly felt that this was a good start for this part of the renovation and we are hoping that we now have something that we can work with in the future and keep raising the quality of your surroundings.

I wouldn't count on it.

Basically just sounded to me like a bunch of excuses laid out to so they can eventually abandon the project like they have everything else that proved "too difficult" (cosmos, fw, t3, comet mining, planetary ring mining, the entire dominion expansion, the entire tyrannis expansion, incarna, etc).

Hope to see im proven wrong but the track record on these little half-finished projects is pretty bad.

I wouldn't count on it.

Basically just sounded to me like a bunch of excuses laid out to so they can eventually abandon the project like they have everything else that proved "too difficult" (cosmos, fw, t3, comet mining, planetary ring mining, the entire dominion expansion, the entire tyrannis expansion, incarna, etc).

Hope to see im proven wrong but the track record on these little half-finished projects is pretty bad.

They need to fix first the real needed stuff, like targeting ui errors, Orca Loading bug and that stuff.

[quote=Avila Cracko]

No need to be rude to our HOSTS, we are guests on their servers.

can i have your stuff?

Considering the new toys showing up on SISI such as the navy tier 3 battelships and teir 2 battlecruisers I dunno what you're talking about.