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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:19:00 -
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The nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show all of the background stars. That's is killing 3D look of nebulaes and they are looking like wallpapers...
Players wrote about that problem in Test Server Feedback forums for weeks but no one wants to talk to us... like some other problems too...
We are a little disappointed with this. The nebulae should look as how they're shown in this video. They should definitely possess some depth to them.
And we are disappointed with CCPs "communication" with players that are testing features on SiSi before releasing on TQ. We just want to show you the problems... and if you cant fix it... just say it... don't ignore us. |

Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
145
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:22:00 -
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This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?
C.
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Hungry Eyes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
219
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:23:00 -
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fully agreed. hopefully it's fixed over time, but it's a half-assed job now and a wasted of potential |

Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
79
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:24:00 -
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Cailais wrote:This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?
C.
And this is relevant to the issue how ?? |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:25:00 -
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Cailais wrote:This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?
C.
Yea... that's the main problem here... word that i used...
but... And "we" would be ppl that care about EVE and test changes before release... |

Cailais
Rekall Incorporated
145
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:32:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Cailais wrote:This 'we' you're talking about is erm....who exactly?
C.
And this is relevant to the issue how ??
Id say its relevance would be a direct correlation to the value of 'we'. If 'we' is the OP and his buddy then the OP is rather overstating the implication that all of EVEs players support that view point. If 'we' on the other hand can be shown to be 25,000 accounts maybe its an important issue for CCP.
Hows that for defining relevance? Or would you like me to draw you a picture? 
C.
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Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
399
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:37:00 -
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of course you set your gfx options to "high" before posting this
RIGHT? The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:47:00 -
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Morganta wrote:of course you set your gfx options to "high" before posting this
RIGHT?
All High... only anti-aliasing Low.. That's how i play EVE on my laptop. |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
12
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Posted - 2011.11.25 15:51:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:The nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show all of the background stars. That's is killing 3D look of nebulaes and they are looking like wallpapers...
You do know that in real life nebulas have stars both in front and behind and they shine through, right?
I thought it looked fine and 3D enough. They look so realistic that now the stations need improvements to look less cartoonish in comparison, but one thing at a time, k? No need to be rude to our HOSTS, we are guests on their servers.
EDIT: Just was in newest build of Sisi and the station graphics are a lot improved, and they "fit" the background now more than they did. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:09:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Avila Cracko wrote:The nebula's dark areas, the ones that are supposed to be unlit actually show all of the background stars. That's is killing 3D look of nebulaes and they are looking like wallpapers... You do know that in real life nebulas have stars both in front and behind and they shine through, right? I thought it looked fine and 3D enough. They look so realistic that now the stations need improvements to look less cartoonish in comparison, but one thing at a time, k? No need to be rude to our HOSTS, we are guests on their servers.
Yea... all stars in the universe are in front of the nebulaes...  And look at that CCP video... and you will see how its supposed to look like... it dont look like that in game... And look at real satellite space pictures... it looks the same like in that video...
And I am not rude... I just do what we supposed to do on TEST server... and just want a response...
And if you are guest... how do you become guest??? i would be guest too... because for guests is all free... you know... i am a customer here... I PAY... and still TEST their product for free... and because that i expect at least an response. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
368
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:44:00 -
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This thread got me looking a bit more closely.
Some of the darker area's on the video do indeed block out the stars, which does give a bit more dimension to the Nebulae.
On Sisi only the very bright area's block out the stars, all dark area's that I checked tended to let the stars shine through. It's a subtle difference in effect that doesn't bother me much at all. However, I have to admit that the way they are handled in the video looks a bit better. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Crucis Cassiopeiae
EvE-COM
740
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Posted - 2011.11.25 16:50:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:This thread got me looking a bit more closely.
Some of the darker area's on the video do indeed block out the stars, which does give a bit more dimension to the Nebulae.
On Sisi only the very bright area's block out the stars, all dark area's that I checked tended to let the stars shine through. It's a subtle difference in effect that doesn't bother me much at all. However, I have to admit that the way they are handled in the video looks a bit better.
Yea... and dark area are supposed to be dust clouds (if i remember correctly from school) you you cant see stars through that parts.
when you look at it, this on sisi looks so flat compered to that video. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
198
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Posted - 2011.11.25 17:15:00 -
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you realize that stars can be in front of the dust lanes right?
they should increase the number of the stars in the lighter regions (even if they have to bake them into the skybox) so that you can stop whining. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
508
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Posted - 2011.11.25 17:52:00 -
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Denidil wrote:you realize that stars can be in front of the dust lanes right? No, we didn't realize that.
Also, we didn't realize that the nebula's are 13 billion lightyears away, and that is why we can see all the stars of the galaxy in the dark areas. 84,000 AUR ($420) spent on NeX store for Troll and Profit. |

tiberiusric
Comply Or Die
2
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Posted - 2011.11.25 19:09:00 -
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I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
399
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:05:00 -
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well if it looks good in the video (recorded using someone elses gfx card and settings) and it looks bad on your machine on sisi, perhaps the issue is with your gfx setup not rendering the view the same as the dev who recorded it
and really, the OP should be boiled in oil posting about gfx issues while playing on a laptop display adapter.... The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Morganta
Peripheral Madness The Midget Mafia
399
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:08:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh
lol, expectations are your problem
it was never to be what you said
its designed to look better and retain its relative positioning as you travel, so you appear to be traveling in respect to the background, and not traveling in a skybox.
IE if you move lightyears closer to a feature of a neb, it should appear that way in space
The American public's reaction to the change was poor and the new cola was a major marketing failure. The subsequent reintroduction of Coke's original formula, re-branded as "Coca-Cola Classic", resulted in a significant gain in sales, leading to speculation that the introduction of the New Coke formula was just a marketing ploy |

Krixtal Icefluxor
Bison - Ammatar Thunder
50
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:13:00 -
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If you actually THINK for 2 seconds.....the programming code and video card power needed to generate all the Particle stuff for actual 3D Gas Nebulae so that YOU can be 'physically encompassed' by them.........I do not want to PAY for that.
Indeed a ridiculous WHINE here............................
THEY LOOK FREAKING FANTASTIC. OMG He Spent His Free-áAURUM ! God is simply-áthe very extraordinary power of the Universe to organize Itself as percieved.
-á- Lee Smolin "Three Roads to Quantum Gravity" |

Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
12
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:22:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote: And if you are guest... how do you become guest??? i would be guest too... because for guests is all free... you know... i am a customer here... I PAY... and still TEST their product for free... and because that i expect at least an response.
Take that attitude of entitlement that paying means you can be rude and demanding to the host of a venue to any of the bars in my neighborhood, and a brawny tattooed guy will show you to the sidewalk at butt-bruising high velocity no matter how much cover you paid or drinks you bought. Think about it. Honey and vinegar people, if you are sweet everyone will want into your hive, but vinegar is for douches. |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:31:00 -
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Morganta wrote:well if it looks good in the video (recorded using someone elses gfx card and settings) and it looks bad on your machine on sisi, perhaps the issue is with your gfx setup not rendering the view the same as the dev who recorded it
and really, the OP should be boiled in oil posting about gfx issues while playing on a laptop display adapter....
I have no idea what are you talking about... That's CCPs video from around fanfest time... And it does not look like that anymore on any PC you use... |

Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:32:00 -
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Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:If you actually THINK for 2 seconds.....the programming code and video card power needed to generate all the Particle stuff for actual 3D Gas Nebulae so that YOU can be 'physically encompassed' by them.........I do not want to PAY for that.
Indeed a ridiculous WHINE here............................
THEY LOOK FREAKING FANTASTIC.
what particle???
only thing that can use more power is if solid color use more power then transparent...
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Avila Cracko
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
122
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:36:00 -
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Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Avila Cracko wrote: And if you are guest... how do you become guest??? i would be guest too... because for guests is all free... you know... i am a customer here... I PAY... and still TEST their product for free... and because that i expect at least an response.
Take that attitude of entitlement that paying means you can be rude and demanding to the host of a venue to any of the bars in my neighborhood, and a brawny tattooed guy will show you to the sidewalk at butt-bruising high velocity no matter how much cover you paid or drinks you bought. Think about it. Honey and vinegar people, if you are sweet everyone will want into your hive, but vinegar is for douches.
What attitude? you are talking about guests...
I only writing response to CCP plea and don't like that when you do favor to some person he/she dont response you back... |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
368
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:41:00 -
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Morganta wrote:well if it looks good in the video (recorded using someone elses gfx card and settings) and it looks bad on your machine on sisi, perhaps the issue is with your gfx setup not rendering the view the same as the dev who recorded it
and really, the OP should be boiled in oil posting about gfx issues while playing on a laptop display adapter....

Probably quite correct in different video cards displaying them slightly differently. Mine was top of the line a couple of years ago, which of course means that it's dated by today's standards. 
To the others, the dark area's in the Nebulae are one of two things.
Either gaps in the Nebulae, which are very natural (to your eye) to expect to see stars through or they are darker area's of "dust" which would likely blot out any stars further away than themselves (while nearer stars would be perfectly visible).
As I said, the way they currently show up in game to me is more than fine... everything looks fantastic. However I can see the point of asking if an intentional change was involved. The darker cloud area's (not gaps in the clouds) that allow few, if any, stars to show do add a layer of depth to the vista.
Given a choice between the two, I'd probably opt for the later... but you won't hear me complaining either way.
To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
368
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Posted - 2011.11.25 20:43:00 -
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Avila Cracko wrote:Utremi Fasolasi wrote:Avila Cracko wrote: And if you are guest... how do you become guest??? i would be guest too... because for guests is all free... you know... i am a customer here... I PAY... and still TEST their product for free... and because that i expect at least an response.
Take that attitude of entitlement that paying means you can be rude and demanding to the host of a venue to any of the bars in my neighborhood, and a brawny tattooed guy will show you to the sidewalk at butt-bruising high velocity no matter how much cover you paid or drinks you bought. Think about it. Honey and vinegar people, if you are sweet everyone will want into your hive, but vinegar is for douches. What attitude? you are talking about guests... I only writing response to CCP plea and don't like that when you do favor to some person he/she dont response you back...
By testing you are more doing yourself a favor than anything else. You really need to understand that especially just before an expansion release CCP may have bigger fish to fry than responding personally to every minor observation.
You did right to point it out, but be realistic. Tact is a virtue. To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Bernie Nator
Insidious Design Talocan United
3
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:27:00 -
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To be perfectly frank, I think the nebulae are fine as is. The first time I saw them, I was stunned. They look fantastic. And they actually got the feeling for them right. Jumping system to system physically moved me closer to some nebulae or further from others. It's subtle until you region jump, which actually gave me the feeling that they were actual locations in space as opposed to large dust rings/clouds. I'd say they did a pretty good job on this one. |

Oberine Noriepa
224
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Posted - 2011.11.25 21:33:00 -
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I want a optional high quality nebulae pack, please.
I posted this in the other thread ("The new nebulae."):
Ranger 1 wrote:Considering those are screen shots done with a top of the line video card, I'd say optional is not an option.  See below:
CCP t0rfifrans wrote:So you will be downloading 201 megs, which are then compressed, I can't tell you the exact compressed size at this time. The maps were authored at twice the resolution we are delivering them in, and they are compressed. Ofc, they look much better uncompressed and in full resolution, so we might offer those as an optional download at some point in the future, for the die hard astronomy addicts with space on their hard drives and video ram to spare.
CCP Atropos wrote:When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size  2GB for the entire uncompressed pack really isn't so bad. Since there are 68 unique backgrounds now, you're looking at 29MB per background. There are plenty of GPUs that can handle this, so something like an optional download for the people who want and can run it is certainly realistic. The nebulae featured in the Crucible wallpapers are cube maps. They're static images and not the actual CG renders of the nebulae.
Client size is the only limiting factor on CCP's end. Offer an optional download and everyone will be happy. If anything, I would think that CCP would like to have an option like this available for those who want it since they put so much hard work into these backgrounds to begin with. |

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
368
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:09:00 -
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Oberine Noriepa wrote:I want a optional high quality nebulae pack, please. I posted this in the other thread ("The new nebulae."): Ranger 1 wrote:Considering those are screen shots done with a top of the line video card, I'd say optional is not an option.  See below: CCP t0rfifrans wrote:So you will be downloading 201 megs, which are then compressed, I can't tell you the exact compressed size at this time. The maps were authored at twice the resolution we are delivering them in, and they are compressed. Ofc, they look much better uncompressed and in full resolution, so we might offer those as an optional download at some point in the future, for the die hard astronomy addicts with space on their hard drives and video ram to spare. CCP Atropos wrote:When they went in initially, raw from the rendering farm, they were about 2GB in size, which caused a few issues in client size  2GB for the entire uncompressed pack really isn't so bad. Since there are 68 unique backgrounds now, you're looking at 29MB per background. There are plenty of GPUs that can handle this, so something like an optional download for the people who want and can run it is certainly realistic. The nebulae featured in the Crucible wallpapers are cube maps. They're static images and not the actual CG renders of the nebulae. Client size is the only limiting factor on CCP's end. Offer an optional download and everyone will be happy. If anything, I would think that CCP would like to have an option like this available for those who want it since they put so much hard work into these backgrounds to begin with.
I stand corrected.
When I had read that originally I skimmed it and it didn't sink in, my bad.
If they can make that an optional download without opening up a can of worms I think that's excellent. My current rig is getting a little long in the tooth to take advantage of it, but I'm putting in over time on the honey do list so hopefully that won't be an obstacle much longer.  To kill the enemy and break their toys!
It's not so much a mission statement,-áit's more like a family motto. |

Denidil
The Graduates Morsus Mihi
198
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:18:00 -
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tiberiusric wrote:I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh
you know what you see when you're flying inside of a nebula?
nothing. even as "the denser regions of space" nebulae are extremely sparse. your ships scanners would know, but your eyes would not. MM Bombers, Best Bombers |

Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
22
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:42:00 -
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Denidil wrote:tiberiusric wrote:I must admit the nebs do just look like pictures stuck in space, they dont look immersive, or cloud dusty. I thought you was supposed to be able to fly into them and be covered, it snot that case. sadly another half assed finished feature...nothing changes eh you know what you see when you're flying inside of a nebula? nothing. even as "the denser regions of space" nebulae are extremely sparse. your ships scanners would know, but your eyes would not.
This. Afaik the "hubble-pictures" are shot with cameras that work outside the human visual spectrum and then edited so we can see them.
"Hubble's photo of the pillars is composed of 32 different images from four separate cameras in the Wide Field and Planetary Camera 2 on board Hubble.The photograph was made with light emitted by different elements in the cloud and appears as a different colour in the composite image: green for hydrogen, red for singly ionized sulphur and blue for double-ionized oxygen atoms." - Linky: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pillars_of_creation
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Amsterdam Conversations
Cheesecake Starshine
60
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Posted - 2011.11.25 22:58:00 -
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Just google nebulas, you'll see stars in front of so many of them. |
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