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Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Burgui Originally by: Mysti I am curious as to why everyone is refering to this garbage as "tactics". They are incapable of developing good tactics so they must rely on a cheap exploit. Our tactics - to use Т2 devises, yours - use garbage! See mails ? => http://www.a-eve.com/killboard/index.php?order=killdate2&selectmode=all&page=1&maxr=70 Congrats on violating two rules in one post.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:50:00 - [32] Don`t be idiot. We had scout in 9cg6, we had scout in 4-07. So our fleet knew about you coming, for a 15 minutes, i think. You jumped in, lost 10 battleships, and went back. We haven`t logged in \ off, because at this time we had our dreadnoughts shooting your pos. Try to blob more, next time. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Amarysse Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:51:00 - [33] Edited by: Amarysse on 12/08/2006 09:53:45 So ask yous HF fellows about amount AAA people in local. Then ask your BoB fellows about BS fleet sitting at SS few AUs away aligned to a gate waiting you to come into it. (<-- OMG login trap!) Then ask yourself do you have a right to post such crap about ppls from another alliance.
Orlanda Ramirez	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? OMG.... What you talking about? AAA had ~90ppl fleet in FAT yesterday for a dread support. We knew about FIX/Storm Armada fleet when you were in several jumpes and all this time our scouts were sent us info about you. We were ready to meet you and our fleet was aligning in 2.5au to gate 25S-6P. After you have begun to jumpin, our fleet simply jump to gate and raped you. That's all. So next time tell your noobish tales for a friends who got a trap due a stupidity of your FC.
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.12 10:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: McDan Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. I am not going to deny that it could happen. However, i would like to ask your honest opinion on how likely this is, having taken into account the frequency at which remarkably similar events take place? Going by Haruko's post above, I would say its very likely. Its also possible someone didn't notice something and said omg where did they come from. Then someone could have said, oh its RAT - must be a login trap. Then everyone else likes to think that instead of them getting owned, that the other side was somehow cheating. I've read a lot of Evil Thugs posts on such matters, and it seems to me like hes just playing you lot like fools when you cry log-in trap. The same thing we do with stabs "If the fools believe it, let them" Firstly that is not an answer to the question I asked. My point is that the circumstances you laid out in your original post is a highly unlikely explanation to an event that is becoming disturbingly frequent. Also, Evil Thug can post whatever he likes and you can think whatever you wish about the replies and the people who make them. However, it does not change the facts that a ælogin trapÆ is not within the game mechanics and is an exploit.
DieselReX Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 10:20:00 - [36] Edited by: DieselReX on 12/08/2006 10:21:00 Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? Oh BTW the lame excuse that was given. "we all just decided to log on" phhFFF!!!! i guess it's too hard to play the right way. Not enough brain power to think of unique fleet set ups to beat your enemy. it's much easier to say " OK EVERYONE LOG ON NOW!" losers. BTW this is my own view and i was told not to post this but ya know what? I'll take a chewing out to let ya all know hoe completely useless i think these FC's who did this are. . . . . The loser
Krystian Caldari No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:03:00 - [37] Droewa I agree 100%... soooo true. Tho must fight fire with fire. It is not "yet" against EULA so it is a valid tactic. AAA you playing with a hornets nest there, be carefull. __________________________________________________ Director of N0 Quarter
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:18:00 - [38] personnaly... i hope AAA keep killing FIX ;p. BUT, i dont care much for some of certain tactics from certain corps that make up AAA. AS far as fire vs fire- just find sumthing that will totally annoy the crap out of them. ;p ... like act like your gonna go fleet vs fleet waste their time getting ready... then all dock and clone jump far away and carebear ;p
Yual Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Ace Frehley Hehe, you know RAT is all about killmails ratio bla bla, so what you expect. Counter their login traps with own login traps Not a snowballs chance in hell in this pilots FIX. Originally by: W.W. Smith "Consistancy is a hallmark of a small mind." What ever doesn't Kali me, makes stronger...
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:20:00 - [40] -AAA-'s tactics have been recieved coldly on behalf of Fix leadership / Allied members. You reap what you sew. _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:26:00 - [41] Now take your meds and tell us what really happened. ___________ In LAG we trust
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:29:00 - [42] Although I think this time you might be mistaken, remember a while back some Huzzah pilots got jumped and thought you had done the same AAA pilots do use login traps. If I recall correctly when a Huzzah and allied dread force tried to take one of their POS into reinforced a number of cap ships logged on and saved it as soon as the dreads went into siege mode. Evil Thug has no problem saying he used a trap or not so if he says they didn't this time I have no doubts by accepting that. Anyway I guess you got to meet your new neighbours in Catch, will be interesting to see what they do after they consolidate their position in Catch.
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:35:00 - [43] Edited by: turnschuh on 12/08/2006 11:35:14 I can confirm the logon trap (Buddylist ftw). I was on the same node as FAT and it lagged out the hole system even it was totally empty and like 20jumps from FAT. If I ever hear any AAA complaining to ascn/axe about "creating" lag because they blob them, I just will laught at you cowards.
Black Sunday SoT Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:38:00 - [44] lame top -------------- Orbis ex Nihil
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:45:00 - [45] Originally by: turnschuh Edited by: turnschuh on 12/08/2006 11:35:14 I can confirm the logon trap (Buddylist ftw). I was on the same node as FAT and it lagged out the hole system even it was totally empty and like 20jumps from FAT. If I ever hear any AAA complaining to ascn/axe about "creating" lag because they blob them, I just will laught at you cowards. Screenshots ? Do you have node map ? Cowards ? Check kill \ death ratio before you opened your mouth. Go away. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:45:00 - [46] To Droewa: Open your eyes To FIX & Storm Armada: Get better intel and fire your FC To everyone else throwing theyr weight about in this thread: We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
DenisRUS Amarr Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:48:00 - [47] And LOL again ! all time we were ONLINE !!!!!!!!!
tookar Amarr Krookid	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:52:00 - [48] Regardless of whether this specific incident was actually a login trap RA and RAT have freely admitted using login traps so i think the OP's originally point stands although maybe not for this specific circumstances ( although probably this was a login trap too imo gathered from past experience) . Hell ive even seen an RA sniping bs gang log off after they jumped through a gate into our dictor bubble and that is just as bad if not worse exploiting than this .
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:52:00 - [49] Edited by: Lazydog on 12/08/2006 11:56:01 (edited typos) here's what happened from a FIX POV , make your own assumtion FIX fleet of about 45 pilots moved from 9cg heading to initially 49u to hold there while we made plans. AAA scout seen and noted to be tailing us in an inty or rifter, (not a big deal) FIX Cov OPs in FAT system and scout at band of builders POS reporting , dreadnaught attack. Cov OPs reports several small ships, cruisers and a 2 or 3 bs's on the 25s gate in fat, about 17 -20 in total, nothing for us to worry about , FAT Local numbers reported as being fairly low 40 or so give or take. FIX moves towards FAT from 49u , AAA rifter 300km off the 49u gate in 4-07, no biggy we have nothing to hide, our cards are shown. FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. FIX Given the usual order , jump in STFU on TS and get ready. JUMP IN and overview loads with what was the same as what was given , and we start to lock targets, I for one targeted just 1 rax, then BANG. LAG, horrendous lag so i zoom out as i do to reduce this and see pilots warping in from various directions, 1 minute later i lock the rax!!!!!! 30 seconds after my overview is full, order is given to warp out, 2 minutes later i am warping out , with 10% armor left, with no clue as to who had locked me or shot at me, FIX took a beating fair enough , we dont care , hardly like its not happened to us before! 12 of us left in system local is waaayy over 100++ so we get our heads together and get the hell out of dodge. thats it , no bull , no exageration, that is how it was. I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:57:00 - [50] were collective there in force? i dont see them doing log off/on. Collective stand up guys.
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:58:00 - [51] Quote: Cowards ? Check kill \ death ratio before you opened your mouth. Seriously, good kill/loss ratios doesnt make you brave if this is how they are obtained
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:58:00 - [52] ok, I take the cowards back.
Nessa Aldeen Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:59:00 - [53] Edited by: Nessa Aldeen on 12/08/2006 12:04:38 Edited by: Nessa Aldeen on 12/08/2006 12:04:12 It is funny..every time AAA or RAT/SE/COL kill many ships ..u guys say login trap. AFAIK, i was in one of these corps and i only understood a little of russian..but I never experienced mass log off u keep goin on and on about. TBH, I have experienced logon traps from several big alliances which will remain nameless and pretend as if they dont use it. So i guess a lot of ppl are doing them. Nothing wrong with that imo. Maybe u r confused with RA who logoff when they know their odds are against them (wouldnt you?). And RA is not RAT or XB. They used to kill each other. So dont make stupid generalisations - all Russian players are logoffski, no skills, lame etc. Also if they are using login traps and u have them on buddylist (u keep dying at least put them on ur buddylist) u can see whether they having logon traps. So use ur head and not ur ****s. Bottomline, if u know they have logon traps..then why the heck do u stay in system? Also, CCP has deemed them to be NOT an exploit so stop saying it is. Fair is fair, if u die from superior SP pilots then u die and whining about it on the forum abt how u died from yet another logon trap is just uncalled for. If you really want to fight these guys, then i suggest u fit all ur bs with T2 guns/equipment and not crappy t1 equipment u use and fight like real men/women.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:00:00 - [54] Edited by: Evil Thug on 12/08/2006 12:01:30 Originally by: Lazydog FIX Cov OPs in FAT system and scout at band of builders POS reporting , dreadnaught attack. Cov OPs reports several small ships, cruisers and a 2 or bs's on the 25s gate in fat, about 17 -20 in total, nothing for us to worry about , FAT Local numbers reported as being fairly low 40 or so give or take. Fire your scout. Local in FAT was 86 at it lowest point. Originally by: Lazydog FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. FIX Given the usual order , jump in STFU on TS and get ready. Cool. So in 1 minute we managed to login to the game, warp to the gate, and form 80 man gang Originally by: Lazydog JUMP IN and overview loads with what was the same as what was given , and we start to lock targets, I for one targeted just 1 rax, then BANG. LAG, horrendous lag so i zoom out as i do to reduce this and see pilots warping in from various directions, 1 minute later i lock the rax!!!!!! Our battleship gang warped in on prepared position. 150km from gate, i think. We had around 25 battlehips + 40 support. About pilots warping in from various directions = blatant lie. As for lag - we expirienced the same. Our interdictor was unable to put warp disrupt probe for 2 minutes or so. Originally by: Lazydog thats it , no bull , no exageration, that is how it was. Fire your scout. I repeat it again. Messing gang chat and local = unacceptable Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:02:00 - [55] Well done -AAA-. Keep it up lads. Love to see how u rile your enemies up so well ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:04:00 - [56] superior SP? umm no... most those people die by gank. am i wrong? but thats how it is. NOTHING wrong with gank in the end.. YOU do it WE do it. SP dont mean much if you get caught by like 5 to 1 pvp gang. When you do get those 1 vs 1 or equal fights.. yes its sweeeet tactics and sp. Makes me enjoy EVE for that short moment :)
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:05:00 - [57] You would think that after ALL these threads CCP would actully do something soon.
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:07:00 - [58] i aint gonna argue on forums i just cba'd i just said how it was, that all. I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock You would think that after ALL these threads CCP would actully do something soon. no there thinking of more ships to invent.... sheesh. Anyone else think after next patch or 2 stop with the new ships for a lil and work more on game dynamics?
Haruko Red Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:09:00 - [60] Edited by: Haruko Red on 12/08/2006 12:14:24 Originally by: Lazydog Edited by: Lazydog on 12/08/2006 11:56:01 FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. Well, that explains A LOT! It seems you arnt so stupid as it looks like. All that time i was wondering - why did you enter the gate? It was enough to look at the number of support ship on the gate to make a right design. Nice scout work! Evil Thug, shhh!!!! We need more scouts like this one in FIX! ________________________________________________ "I dont smoke." (C) William Blake

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