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Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:42:00 - [1] So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? Oh BTW the lame excuse that was given. "we all just decided to log on" phhFFF!!!! i guess it's too hard to play the right way. Not enough brain power to think of unique fleet set ups to beat your enemy. it's much easier to say " OK EVERYONE LOG ON NOW!" losers. BTW this is my own view and i was told not to post this but ya know what? I'll take a chewing out to let ya all know hoe completely useless i think these FC's who did this are. . . . . Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:49:00 - [2] Edited by: Murukan on 12/08/2006 06:49:33 why is it everytime someone does a log on trap there is a thread about it? I mean Evil Thug's bio says logged off in a system next to you, you should expect it coming. In rust we trust!!!
Deadzone Caldari Phoenix Propulsion Labs Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:58:00 - [3] Its posted so everyone can know what p**sies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Vice-Admiral Military Division Phoenix Propulsion Laboratories
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:59:00 - [4] ew..agreeing with a fix member i feel so dirty :p but people who use login traps are lame, they lack the imagination to actualy do something without abusing game mechanics..basicaly the same as people who log off to save their ship. stuff like this contribute to ruining what should be a lot of fun on both sides. _____ They were monsters. They rode across the world we knew and brough terror, and death. Where they were, life ceased. They were without mercy. They were without fear - They were MASS
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 06:59:00 - [5] Edited by: Murukan on 12/08/2006 06:59:12 Originally by: Deadzone Its posted so everyone can know what psies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Saying that RAT uses logon tactics is rather like beating a dead horse, everyone already knows. and if you know it's coming and you still fall for it, where does that place you? In rust we trust!!!**
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:01:00 - [6] Originally by: dantes inferno ew..agreeing with a fix member i feel so dirty :p but people who use login traps are lame, they lack the imagination to actualy do something without abusing game mechanics..basicaly the same as people who log off to save their ship. stuff like this contribute to ruining what should be a lot of fun on both sides. Careful dantes, I find myself agreeing with you ;) It is just about the lamest tactic in eve, bar none. A shame that aaa are having to resort to this kind of stuff.
Kibayasu Iella The Raven Warriors R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:01:00 - [7] Am I in an RA thread?
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:05:00 - [8] There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do.
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:09:00 - [9] Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 12/08/2006 06:59:12 Originally by: Deadzone Its posted so everyone can know what p**sies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Saying that RAT uses logon tactics is rather like beating a dead horse, everyone already knows. and if you know it's coming and you still fall for it, where does that place you? I love people like you who can't see the forest through the trees. wooosh!!!! Hi dantes, good to see you still kickin. Hope to disagree with you soon. :D Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:11:00 - [10] Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. This is a fair point, unfortunately I know which one many people will find more likely :(
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:12:00 - [11] Quote: Careful dantes, I find myself agreeing with you ;) It is just about the lamest tactic in eve, bar none. A shame that aaa are having to resort to this kind of stuff. ohh god it gets worse not only am i agreeing with a fix member i got a bob member agreeing with me...this feels so wrong _____ They were monsters. They rode across the world we knew and brough terror, and death. Where they were, life ceased. They were without mercy. They were without fear - They were MASS
Murukan Minmatar The Priory	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:14:00 - [12] Originally by: Droewa Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 12/08/2006 06:59:12 Originally by: Deadzone Its posted so everyone can know what psies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Saying that RAT uses logon tactics is rather like beating a dead horse, everyone already knows. and if you know it's coming and you still fall for it, where does that place you? I love people like you who can't see the forest through the trees. wooosh!!!! Hi dantes, good to see you still kickin. Hope to disagree with you soon. :D I'm not saying it's a good tactic or anyhting, i personally think it's lame. But you cannot say that this isn't a tired topic and everyone already expects this sort of thing out of RAT and crew. In rust we trust!!!**
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:21:00 - [13] Originally by: Murukan Originally by: Droewa Originally by: Murukan Edited by: Murukan on 12/08/2006 06:59:12 Originally by: Deadzone Its posted so everyone can know what p**sies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Saying that RAT uses logon tactics is rather like beating a dead horse, everyone already knows. and if you know it's coming and you still fall for it, where does that place you? I love people like you who can't see the forest through the trees. wooosh!!!! Hi dantes, good to see you still kickin. Hope to disagree with you soon. :D I'm not saying it's a good tactic or anyhting, i personally think it's lame. But you cannot say that this isn't a tired topic and everyone already expects this sort of thing out of RAT and crew. Sorry man I'm not all over the forums these days. so i must have missed the other topics about this. If you are tired of reading this type of topic i did give a very descriptive name to the topic in the title. you could have just not clicked it. . . . . . Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
RichThugster Gallente Lore Islander and Nakor Kren Present	Posted - 2006.08.12 07:57:00 - [14] Originally by: Murukan I'm not saying it's a good tactic or anyhting, i personally think it's lame. But you cannot say that this isn't a tired topic and everyone already expects this sort of thing out of RAT and crew. over the past few months there has been countless threads about how goons disrespect everything. Next time they make a totally unsuitable and revolting thing about a member of the community are you going to tell the ppl who act angrily, that they should know better, and that, thats what goons do, so accept it? Since that is pretty much what you have said in this thread about AAA log in traps. Ive heard so many good things about the PVP ability of Xenobytes and RAT among the other corps, however to hear this sorta thing really disheartens you as, it makes you wonder how many borderline exploits you can use and still be considered to be good within your chosen field. Originally by: KIATolon I just got owned
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:09:00 - [15] its also like saying we expect macro miners to use macros to make billions of isk - so its ok for them to continue to do so, or we expect isk sellers to sell tisk for RL cash,..so its ok for them to do so. just because people use lame tactics and boderline exploits over and over and over to the point its the only thing they are really known for does not make it ok. but the recipient of such low game play can console themeselves with the knowledge that AAA have to use such tactics to kill them. _____ They were monsters. They rode across the world we knew and brough terror, and death. Where they were, life ceased. They were without mercy. They were without fear - They were MASS
Mr Happ Gallente Hellbound Saints	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:22:00 - [16] Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. Thats rubbish and you know it, your corp is well known for using just about every lame tactic in the game. Log on tactics are rubbbish, AAA is just another RA type alliance, it's pathetic, pos war fare and crap all fights, lame lame lame
Rexthor Hammerfists Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:29:00 - [17] its rlly lame, ya. and if i were u fix i wouldnt give em fights i wouldnt b sure to win, cause such lamers shouldnt gain anything by that. i dont know why ccp isnt doin anything bout the ra and aaa tactics thata re workin for so long alrdy, those are obviously gamebreaking. - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:40:00 - [18] Originally by: Deadzone Its posted so everyone can know what p**sies they really are. Reguardless of the outcome. Everyone is already aware of that, no point to keep mentioning it.
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:43:00 - [19] Another reason I feel like setting a long skill and waiting for Kali tbh. When is CCP gonna start fixing game breaking issues?
Ace Frehley Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:47:00 - [20] Hehe, you know RAT is all about killmails ratio bla bla, so what you expect. Counter their login traps with own login traps BBCODE:
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:50:00 - [21] Edited by: Randay on 12/08/2006 08:50:01 Originally by: Darkrydar Another reason I feel like setting a long skill and waiting for Kali tbh. When is CCP gonna start fixing game breaking issues? never. there will always be something. its inevitable because there will always be people who are willing to do anything to get an advantage. actually everyone in the game does it, just some go farther then others. edit: added quote. ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
R3dSh1ft Caldari Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:51:00 - [22] AAA Misread the game title, we all playing Eve-Online but they're playing Exploit-Online. Duh. ______________________________________
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.12 08:55:00 - [23] Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. I am not going to deny that it could happen. However, i would like to ask your honest opinion on how likely this is, having taken into account the frequency at which remarkably similar events take place?
Haruko Red Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. What are you talking about? Is it about yesterday fight in FAT? I cant remember any other noticeable fight with FIX recently. If so, then what were you smoking, fella? We were in system for hours before you appeared. There was no need for logon traps. We knew you were coming, and were ready to meet you on the gate. You jumped in, got scrambled, bubbled and killed. But what worries my most in this post (besides possible drug abuse by some players) it's kill ratio. According to our killboard you have lost 20+ ship and lots of pods, with one rifter and one mega (pilot jumed to the wrong distance) lost from AAA side. So, why 6:1? Are you sure, you've posted all of your losses? ________________________________________________ "I dont smoke." (C) William Blake
Wrok Caldari Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:15:00 - [25] maybe you should fight fire with fire...other then that deal wit it by finding other ways to protect aginst it.
MissBehaving Caldari Angels Of Mercy	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:20:00 - [26] Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? Oh BTW the lame excuse that was given. "we all just decided to log on" phhFFF!!!! i guess it's too hard to play the right way. Not enough brain power to think of unique fleet set ups to beat your enemy. it's much easier to say " OK EVERYONE LOG ON NOW!" losers. BTW this is my own view and i was told not to post this but ya know what? I'll take a chewing out to let ya all know hoe completely useless i think these FC's who did this are. . . . . Stop crying ya big girls blowse *[DjDangle's Alt]*
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:21:00 - [27] Originally by: McDan Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. I am not going to deny that it could happen. However, i would like to ask your honest opinion on how likely this is, having taken into account the frequency at which remarkably similar events take place? Going by Haruko's post above, I would say its very likely. Its also possible someone didn't notice something and said omg where did they come from. Then someone could have said, oh its RAT - must be a login trap. Then everyone else likes to think that instead of them getting owned, that the other side was somehow cheating. I've read a lot of Evil Thugs posts on such matters, and it seems to me like hes just playing you lot like fools when you cry log-in trap. The same thing we do with stabs "If the fools believe it, let them"
Fred0 Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:24:00 - [28] Everybody knows they don't have to do this. But they do it sometimes anyway. They are using every bloody mechanic they can to win a war. I've been on the other side of that and it can be pretty demoralising to your soldiers.
Mysti	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:25:00 - [29] I am curious as to why everyone is refering to this garbage as "tactics". They are incapable of developing good tactics so they must rely on a cheap exploit.
Burgui	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:43:00 - [30] Originally by: Mysti I am curious as to why everyone is refering to this garbage as "tactics". They are incapable of developing good tactics so they must rely on a cheap exploit. Our tactics - to use Т2 devises, yours - use garbage! See mails ? => http://www.a-eve.com/killboard/index.php?order=killdate2&selectmode=all&page=1&maxr=70 =VVS=Gennadich
Darkrydar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Burgui Originally by: Mysti I am curious as to why everyone is refering to this garbage as "tactics". They are incapable of developing good tactics so they must rely on a cheap exploit. Our tactics - to use Т2 devises, yours - use garbage! See mails ? => http://www.a-eve.com/killboard/index.php?order=killdate2&selectmode=all&page=1&maxr=70 Congrats on violating two rules in one post.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:50:00 - [32] Don`t be idiot. We had scout in 9cg6, we had scout in 4-07. So our fleet knew about you coming, for a 15 minutes, i think. You jumped in, lost 10 battleships, and went back. We haven`t logged in \ off, because at this time we had our dreadnoughts shooting your pos. Try to blob more, next time. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Amarysse Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:51:00 - [33] Edited by: Amarysse on 12/08/2006 09:53:45 So ask yous HF fellows about amount AAA people in local. Then ask your BoB fellows about BS fleet sitting at SS few AUs away aligned to a gate waiting you to come into it. (<-- OMG login trap!) Then ask yourself do you have a right to post such crap about ppls from another alliance.
Orlanda Ramirez	Posted - 2006.08.12 09:52:00 - [34] Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? OMG.... What you talking about? AAA had ~90ppl fleet in FAT yesterday for a dread support. We knew about FIX/Storm Armada fleet when you were in several jumpes and all this time our scouts were sent us info about you. We were ready to meet you and our fleet was aligning in 2.5au to gate 25S-6P. After you have begun to jumpin, our fleet simply jump to gate and raped you. That's all. So next time tell your noobish tales for a friends who got a trap due a stupidity of your FC.
McDan Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.12 10:02:00 - [35] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: McDan Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. I am not going to deny that it could happen. However, i would like to ask your honest opinion on how likely this is, having taken into account the frequency at which remarkably similar events take place? Going by Haruko's post above, I would say its very likely. Its also possible someone didn't notice something and said omg where did they come from. Then someone could have said, oh its RAT - must be a login trap. Then everyone else likes to think that instead of them getting owned, that the other side was somehow cheating. I've read a lot of Evil Thugs posts on such matters, and it seems to me like hes just playing you lot like fools when you cry log-in trap. The same thing we do with stabs "If the fools believe it, let them" Firstly that is not an answer to the question I asked. My point is that the circumstances you laid out in your original post is a highly unlikely explanation to an event that is becoming disturbingly frequent. Also, Evil Thug can post whatever he likes and you can think whatever you wish about the replies and the people who make them. However, it does not change the facts that a ælogin trapÆ is not within the game mechanics and is an exploit.
DieselReX Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 10:20:00 - [36] Edited by: DieselReX on 12/08/2006 10:21:00 Originally by: Droewa So AAA logged on an entire fleet all at once. they killed a ratio of 6:1 doing this. Personally i think the FCs in AAA who utilise this tactic are pansies to say the least. If EVE is going to allow this why not just get rid of local all together? Oh BTW the lame excuse that was given. "we all just decided to log on" phhFFF!!!! i guess it's too hard to play the right way. Not enough brain power to think of unique fleet set ups to beat your enemy. it's much easier to say " OK EVERYONE LOG ON NOW!" losers. BTW this is my own view and i was told not to post this but ya know what? I'll take a chewing out to let ya all know hoe completely useless i think these FC's who did this are. . . . . The loser
Krystian Caldari No Quarter.	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:03:00 - [37] Droewa I agree 100%... soooo true. Tho must fight fire with fire. It is not "yet" against EULA so it is a valid tactic. AAA you playing with a hornets nest there, be carefull. __________________________________________________ Director of N0 Quarter
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:18:00 - [38] personnaly... i hope AAA keep killing FIX ;p. BUT, i dont care much for some of certain tactics from certain corps that make up AAA. AS far as fire vs fire- just find sumthing that will totally annoy the crap out of them. ;p ... like act like your gonna go fleet vs fleet waste their time getting ready... then all dock and clone jump far away and carebear ;p
Yual Minmatar Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:20:00 - [39] Originally by: Ace Frehley Hehe, you know RAT is all about killmails ratio bla bla, so what you expect. Counter their login traps with own login traps Not a snowballs chance in hell in this pilots FIX. Originally by: W.W. Smith "Consistancy is a hallmark of a small mind." What ever doesn't Kali me, makes stronger...
Admentus Cor'vion Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:20:00 - [40] -AAA-'s tactics have been recieved coldly on behalf of Fix leadership / Allied members. You reap what you sew. _______________________________________________ Black Avatar - One of the oldest corps in Eve. "The end and the beginning."
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:26:00 - [41] Now take your meds and tell us what really happened. ___________ In LAG we trust
Hans Roaming Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:29:00 - [42] Although I think this time you might be mistaken, remember a while back some Huzzah pilots got jumped and thought you had done the same AAA pilots do use login traps. If I recall correctly when a Huzzah and allied dread force tried to take one of their POS into reinforced a number of cap ships logged on and saved it as soon as the dreads went into siege mode. Evil Thug has no problem saying he used a trap or not so if he says they didn't this time I have no doubts by accepting that. Anyway I guess you got to meet your new neighbours in Catch, will be interesting to see what they do after they consolidate their position in Catch.
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:35:00 - [43] Edited by: turnschuh on 12/08/2006 11:35:14 I can confirm the logon trap (Buddylist ftw). I was on the same node as FAT and it lagged out the hole system even it was totally empty and like 20jumps from FAT. If I ever hear any AAA complaining to ascn/axe about "creating" lag because they blob them, I just will laught at you cowards.
Black Sunday SoT Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:38:00 - [44] lame top -------------- Orbis ex Nihil
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:45:00 - [45] Originally by: turnschuh Edited by: turnschuh on 12/08/2006 11:35:14 I can confirm the logon trap (Buddylist ftw). I was on the same node as FAT and it lagged out the hole system even it was totally empty and like 20jumps from FAT. If I ever hear any AAA complaining to ascn/axe about "creating" lag because they blob them, I just will laught at you cowards. Screenshots ? Do you have node map ? Cowards ? Check kill \ death ratio before you opened your mouth. Go away. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:45:00 - [46] To Droewa: Open your eyes To FIX & Storm Armada: Get better intel and fire your FC To everyone else throwing theyr weight about in this thread: We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
DenisRUS Amarr Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:48:00 - [47] And LOL again ! all time we were ONLINE !!!!!!!!!
tookar Amarr Krookid	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:52:00 - [48] Regardless of whether this specific incident was actually a login trap RA and RAT have freely admitted using login traps so i think the OP's originally point stands although maybe not for this specific circumstances ( although probably this was a login trap too imo gathered from past experience) . Hell ive even seen an RA sniping bs gang log off after they jumped through a gate into our dictor bubble and that is just as bad if not worse exploiting than this .
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:52:00 - [49] Edited by: Lazydog on 12/08/2006 11:56:01 (edited typos) here's what happened from a FIX POV , make your own assumtion FIX fleet of about 45 pilots moved from 9cg heading to initially 49u to hold there while we made plans. AAA scout seen and noted to be tailing us in an inty or rifter, (not a big deal) FIX Cov OPs in FAT system and scout at band of builders POS reporting , dreadnaught attack. Cov OPs reports several small ships, cruisers and a 2 or 3 bs's on the 25s gate in fat, about 17 -20 in total, nothing for us to worry about , FAT Local numbers reported as being fairly low 40 or so give or take. FIX moves towards FAT from 49u , AAA rifter 300km off the 49u gate in 4-07, no biggy we have nothing to hide, our cards are shown. FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. FIX Given the usual order , jump in STFU on TS and get ready. JUMP IN and overview loads with what was the same as what was given , and we start to lock targets, I for one targeted just 1 rax, then BANG. LAG, horrendous lag so i zoom out as i do to reduce this and see pilots warping in from various directions, 1 minute later i lock the rax!!!!!! 30 seconds after my overview is full, order is given to warp out, 2 minutes later i am warping out , with 10% armor left, with no clue as to who had locked me or shot at me, FIX took a beating fair enough , we dont care , hardly like its not happened to us before! 12 of us left in system local is waaayy over 100++ so we get our heads together and get the hell out of dodge. thats it , no bull , no exageration, that is how it was. I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:57:00 - [50] were collective there in force? i dont see them doing log off/on. Collective stand up guys.
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:58:00 - [51] Quote: Cowards ? Check kill \ death ratio before you opened your mouth. Seriously, good kill/loss ratios doesnt make you brave if this is how they are obtained
turnschuh	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:58:00 - [52] ok, I take the cowards back.
Nessa Aldeen Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 11:59:00 - [53] Edited by: Nessa Aldeen on 12/08/2006 12:04:38 Edited by: Nessa Aldeen on 12/08/2006 12:04:12 It is funny..every time AAA or RAT/SE/COL kill many ships ..u guys say login trap. AFAIK, i was in one of these corps and i only understood a little of russian..but I never experienced mass log off u keep goin on and on about. TBH, I have experienced logon traps from several big alliances which will remain nameless and pretend as if they dont use it. So i guess a lot of ppl are doing them. Nothing wrong with that imo. Maybe u r confused with RA who logoff when they know their odds are against them (wouldnt you?). And RA is not RAT or XB. They used to kill each other. So dont make stupid generalisations - all Russian players are logoffski, no skills, lame etc. Also if they are using login traps and u have them on buddylist (u keep dying at least put them on ur buddylist) u can see whether they having logon traps. So use ur head and not ur ****s. Bottomline, if u know they have logon traps..then why the heck do u stay in system? Also, CCP has deemed them to be NOT an exploit so stop saying it is. Fair is fair, if u die from superior SP pilots then u die and whining about it on the forum abt how u died from yet another logon trap is just uncalled for. If you really want to fight these guys, then i suggest u fit all ur bs with T2 guns/equipment and not crappy t1 equipment u use and fight like real men/women.
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:00:00 - [54] Edited by: Evil Thug on 12/08/2006 12:01:30 Originally by: Lazydog FIX Cov OPs in FAT system and scout at band of builders POS reporting , dreadnaught attack. Cov OPs reports several small ships, cruisers and a 2 or bs's on the 25s gate in fat, about 17 -20 in total, nothing for us to worry about , FAT Local numbers reported as being fairly low 40 or so give or take. Fire your scout. Local in FAT was 86 at it lowest point. Originally by: Lazydog FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. FIX Given the usual order , jump in STFU on TS and get ready. Cool. So in 1 minute we managed to login to the game, warp to the gate, and form 80 man gang Originally by: Lazydog JUMP IN and overview loads with what was the same as what was given , and we start to lock targets, I for one targeted just 1 rax, then BANG. LAG, horrendous lag so i zoom out as i do to reduce this and see pilots warping in from various directions, 1 minute later i lock the rax!!!!!! Our battleship gang warped in on prepared position. 150km from gate, i think. We had around 25 battlehips + 40 support. About pilots warping in from various directions = blatant lie. As for lag - we expirienced the same. Our interdictor was unable to put warp disrupt probe for 2 minutes or so. Originally by: Lazydog thats it , no bull , no exageration, that is how it was. Fire your scout. I repeat it again. Messing gang chat and local = unacceptable Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:02:00 - [55] Well done -AAA-. Keep it up lads. Love to see how u rile your enemies up so well ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:04:00 - [56] superior SP? umm no... most those people die by gank. am i wrong? but thats how it is. NOTHING wrong with gank in the end.. YOU do it WE do it. SP dont mean much if you get caught by like 5 to 1 pvp gang. When you do get those 1 vs 1 or equal fights.. yes its sweeeet tactics and sp. Makes me enjoy EVE for that short moment :)
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:05:00 - [57] You would think that after ALL these threads CCP would actully do something soon.
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:07:00 - [58] i aint gonna argue on forums i just cba'd i just said how it was, that all. I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Admiral IceBlock You would think that after ALL these threads CCP would actully do something soon. no there thinking of more ships to invent.... sheesh. Anyone else think after next patch or 2 stop with the new ships for a lil and work more on game dynamics?
Haruko Red Caldari Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:09:00 - [60] Edited by: Haruko Red on 12/08/2006 12:14:24 Originally by: Lazydog Edited by: Lazydog on 12/08/2006 11:56:01 FIX arrives in 25s at the FAT gate, and gets an update from cov ops and pos scout, INTEL Is exactly the same.. Well, that explains A LOT! It seems you arnt so stupid as it looks like. All that time i was wondering - why did you enter the gate? It was enough to look at the number of support ship on the gate to make a right design. Nice scout work! Evil Thug, shhh!!!! We need more scouts like this one in FIX! ________________________________________________ "I dont smoke." (C) William Blake
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:10:00 - [61] Edited by: Creamster on 12/08/2006 12:12:02 never mind ___________ In LAG we trust
Nessa Aldeen Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:12:00 - [62] Originally by: HellsRazor superior SP? umm no... most those people die by gank. am i wrong? but thats how it is. NOTHING wrong with gank in the end.. YOU do it WE do it. SP dont mean much if you get caught by like 5 to 1 pvp gang. When you do get those 1 vs 1 or equal fights.. yes its sweeeet tactics and sp. Makes me enjoy EVE for that short moment :) Obviously, (examples) you werent in the fight against SAS in bwf..we had superior gank numbers..and Eve-u pilots died by the dozens because we lacked the SP to kill them off. Also in fight against MC, again we had superior numbers, but SP counts, fleet losses were in the three digit losses. In the fight against tribals, a small long range SE fleet nuked a far superior fleet numbers (3-4 to 1). So yes gank is impt, but without good SP ur in a pod. Period.
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:14:00 - [63] whether aaa used those tactics or not it doesnt really matter, but we now know what to expect and no doubt will adapt ourselves to them in a different manner next time. we both know its all about the 10/10 where did your first pos get put up ?? FAT or 4-07mu I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:16:00 - [64] sounds a bit like RA
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:17:00 - [65] Originally by: Lazydog whether aaa used those tactics or not it doesnt really matter, but we now know what to expect and no doubt will adapt ourselves to them in a different manner next time. we both know its all about the 10/10 where did your first pos get put up ?? FAT or 4-07mu FAT We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Danny Hawk Supremacy	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:19:00 - [66] i agree the tactic is lame but its been used for a while now. Also i cant see how these BOB guys call it a lame tactic and ppl that use it suck when they use it themselves
Ast3r0iD Gallente Maranwethial Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:19:00 - [67] I am tired of listening to these whining girls crying about how this ingame tactic sucks, that ingame tactic sucks, this is a bad way to play, so is that. Like in any fight, inside or out of eve, you do what you have to do to win as convincingly as possible. There are no extra credits for winning on hard mode. All the stab / logout / lag moaners need to adapt or die. This looks to me like a great victory for AAA. wd.
Nessa Aldeen Dragonian Freelancers Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:23:00 - [68] Originally by: Ast3r0iD I am tired of listening to these whining girls crying about how this ingame tactic sucks, that ingame tactic sucks, this is a bad way to play, so is that. Like in any fight, inside or out of eve, you do what you have to do to win as convincingly as possible. There are no extra credits for winning on hard mode. All the stab / logout / lag moaners need to adapt or die. This looks to me like a great victory for AAA. wd. Finally some sense, if u know the tactics exists and its perfectly alright to use it ..stabs/logoffs/avoiding fights...are all part and parcel of pvp..if u want a stationary target shoot some veld and be a miner.
Hellraiza666 Regeneration Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:27:00 - [69] Originally by: Danny Hawk i agree the tactic is lame but its been used for a while now. Also i cant see how these BOB guys call it a lame tactic and ppl that use it suck when they use it themselves When have BoB done a log on trap???
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:28:00 - [70] Originally by: Nessa Aldeen Originally by: HellsRazor superior SP? umm no... most those people die by gank. am i wrong? but thats how it is. NOTHING wrong with gank in the end.. YOU do it WE do it. SP dont mean much if you get caught by like 5 to 1 pvp gang. When you do get those 1 vs 1 or equal fights.. yes its sweeeet tactics and sp. Makes me enjoy EVE for that short moment :) Obviously, (examples) you werent in the fight against SAS in bwf..we had superior gank numbers..and Eve-u pilots died by the dozens because we lacked the SP to kill them off. Also in fight against MC, again we had superior numbers, but SP counts, fleet losses were in the three digit losses. In the fight against tribals, a small long range SE fleet nuked a far superior fleet numbers (3-4 to 1). So yes gank is impt, but without good SP ur in a pod. Period. well YOUR right i wasnt there for that..lol shounds ugly... unless your guys were like a couple months old then..ok. :) but theres always other factors too... Your enemy fitting all stabs... You not having tackle support.. i mean if you got 100 people and nothing to hold them with..... well things dont go well. Anyways im speaking generally on a smaller level.. like 4 pilots jumping into like 30 pilot camp.
HellsRazor Caldari FACTA NON VERBA Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:29:00 - [71] Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Danny Hawk i agree the tactic is lame but its been used for a while now. Also i cant see how these BOB guys call it a lame tactic and ppl that use it suck when they use it themselves When have BoB done a log on trap??? never seen log on trap from them.. have seen local exploit tho :) werent they the first to learn it?
Sorja E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:43:00 - [72] Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. ____________________ Darko1107 > does anything in ascn space have tech II fittings? Quillan Rage > Iron ships
Hast Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 12:46:00 - [73] Originally by: HellsRazor Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Danny Hawk i agree the tactic is lame but its been used for a while now. Also i cant see how these BOB guys call it a lame tactic and ppl that use it suck when they use it themselves When have BoB done a log on trap??? never seen log on trap from them.. have seen local exploit tho :) werent they the first to learn it? actually, that was just us using our Dev powers On another note, I highly doubt that anyone in BoB would use the local exploit, since BoB in general frown on exploits... Its just not the way we play...
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Fluffy wing Fangs	Posted - 2006.08.12 13:20:00 - [74] Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/08/2006 13:20:29 Originally by: Sorja Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. That reasoning went out of the window with 10 minute siegemode. Oh, and no worries. COL have learnt from their new alliance buddies. They've been participating in Logon Traps and have taught their carebears well that logging after jump-in is fine to circumvent the 15 minute agro timer. Did Aeryn Sun leave the game or something? He used to be a standup guy. ------------------------------------------ A lapdance is always better when the exotic dancer is crying..
Ko3ak Minmatar Xenobytes	Posted - 2006.08.12 13:32:00 - [75] 2 Droewa and Lazydog -> Lies. Shame on you
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 13:40:00 - [76] See this every time they got their buts kicked. Mebbe thats a new tactics - to phorumsmack your enemies to death?
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 14:44:00 - [77] Originally by: Hast Originally by: HellsRazor Originally by: Hellraiza666 Originally by: Danny Hawk i agree the tactic is lame but its been used for a while now. Also i cant see how these BOB guys call it a lame tactic and ppl that use it suck when they use it themselves When have BoB done a log on trap??? never seen log on trap from them.. have seen local exploit tho :) werent they the first to learn it? actually, that was just us using our Dev powers On another note, I highly doubt that anyone in BoB would use the local exploit, since BoB in general frown on exploits... Its just not the way we play... Lies, seen it myself . Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/08/2006 13:20:29 Originally by: Sorja Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. That reasoning went out of the window with 10 minute siegemode. Oh, and no worries. COL have learnt from their new alliance buddies. They've been participating in Logon Traps and have taught their carebears well that logging after jump-in is fine to circumvent the 15 minute agro timer. Did Aeryn Sun leave the game or something? He used to be a standup guy. Aeryn Sun moved to China and has a very hard time logging on.
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.12 14:56:00 - [78] As far as im concerned as long as its within game mechanics then its fine. There is still a massive warning for any fix scouts that chose not to watch for it and get spanked. And anyway if they are warping in at the gate one at a time just after they have logged on you should have been able to spank them. Its just as lame as getting a spy into a corp, working your way up, and then betraying your friendship/trust and offlining a POS. But no1 seems to have a problem with that. ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:18:00 - [79] I am deeply sorry that you missed the fact that local in fat before you arrived was at 80-90. Yours sincerely, Cuebick
Lazydog Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:21:00 - [80] Originally by: Ko3ak 2 Droewa and Lazydog -> Lies. Shame on you read my initial post again , i didnt lie about anything , i ***** told it how i *** saw it your ***** asshat. now look what you done you made me sware, now my mommys gonna wash my mouth out with soap I Aint flippin Bothered! Is It time for your Medication? Or Mine?
Evelyn Exe	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:36:00 - [81] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 12/08/2006 15:36:41 Originally by: Sorja Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. Why would you need to form a gang? They are all on TS and are warping into the gate from their log off points and are shooting, not gang warping anywhere. Lots of people logging into a system cause huge lag in the system and if your own gang is jumping in or about to its easy to confuse local spikes between your own gang and log-ins. I don't understand people who keep saying "in RL wars anything is OK so that makes it OK in EVE, forgetting that this is a game". Its like saying its OK to cheat in sports, take drugs whatever, because anything is alright so long as you "win". Remember this is a GAME not RL.
Ilany BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:43:00 - [82] Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Lazydog we both know its all about the 10/10 where did your first pos get put up ?? FAT or 4-07mu FAT O RLY? As for logintrapskis, I'm sure there are a variety of ways CCP could stop our oh-so-trustworthy and believeable friends from using them. Aside from randomising the warp-in point, perhaps the warp speed of a ship logging on in space could be changed to less than that of a freighter... that would give everyone ample warning . ------
StiZum Hilidii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:44:00 - [83] RAT have always and will always do log on traps. we all know it and we all deal with it in our own ways. Evil Thug likes to make up alot of stories saying that didnt but when you have them all in yoru address book like a few of our members do its dam funny, i think one of them is making a video that links it to killboards to show that immediately after logging in they are smacking an enemy fleet around. Evil Thug i love ya but when you do this stuff i feel like you have broken the unsaid rules of this game. FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 15:47:00 - [84] Edited by: Man1ac on 12/08/2006 15:48:17 Originally by: Evelyn Exe Why would you need to form a gang? They are all on TS and are warping into the gate from their log off points and are shooting, not gang warping anywhere. In all my time in SE and now in AAA, I've never seen anything like that. N.e.v.e.r. And 10 ppl say this whole thread is a lie. He saw a lag, big deal. What I do not uderstand - that it's a constant whining. They locked on me (whine). They rewarped (whine). Lets ban rewarping! etc. etc... Play better, and let your guns speak.
Waagaa Ktlehr Amarr Fluffy wing Fangs	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:08:00 - [85] Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/08/2006 13:20:29Did Aeryn Sun leave the game or something? He used to be a standup guy. Aeryn Sun moved to China and has a very hard time logging on. That really is too bad, I'm sure his leadership would be a great asset to COL. ------------------------------------------ A lapdance is always better when the exotic dancer is crying..
Raane Thyandar	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:10:00 - [86] FIX are a stand up bunch, from all i've seen they operate with integrity and decency even when they're on the shiny end of your lasers. RAT and SE however i can say less for, they smack and their actions just prevent me from giving them much respect. I know who i'd believe.
Evelyn Exe	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:19:00 - [87] Originally by: Man1ac Edited by: Man1ac on 12/08/2006 15:48:17 Originally by: Evelyn Exe Why would you need to form a gang? They are all on TS and are warping into the gate from their log off points and are shooting, not gang warping anywhere. In all my time in SE and now in AAA, I've never seen anything like that. N.e.v.e.r. And 10 ppl say this whole thread is a lie. He saw a lag, big deal. What I do not uderstand - that it's a constant whining. They locked on me (whine). They rewarped (whine). Lets ban rewarping! etc. etc... Play better, and let your guns speak. They admitted they did it to gank ASCN freighters soooo.....
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:19:00 - [88] Originally by: Raane Thyandar FIX are a stand up bunch, from all i've seen they operate with integrity and decency even when they're on the shiny end of your lasers. RAT and SE however i can say less for, they smack and their actions just prevent me from giving them much respect. I know who i'd believe. Yeah, bring more alts to paint .-A-. black. Thats the thing you got to do when you are losing ingame.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:30:00 - [89] Originally by: Ilany Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Lazydog we both know its all about the 10/10 where did your first pos get put up ?? FAT or 4-07mu FAT O RLY? As for logintrapskis, I'm sure there are a variety of ways CCP could stop our oh-so-trustworthy and believeable friends from using them. Aside from randomising the warp-in point, perhaps the warp speed of a ship logging on in space could be changed to less than that of a freighter... that would give everyone ample warning . What are you? 8? Yes realy. If you don't have anything to back up claims, please refrain from posting. The first .-A-. POS to go up anywhere around FAT, was infact in FAT. We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:35:00 - [90] Edited by: Taz Devlin on 12/08/2006 16:35:57 Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Crucifier Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Edited by: Waagaa Ktlehr on 12/08/2006 13:20:29Did Aeryn Sun leave the game or something? He used to be a standup guy. Aeryn Sun moved to China and has a very hard time logging on. That really is too bad, I'm sure his leadership would be a great asset to COL. We do miss the guy, but don't be fooled into thinking we are any weaker now than when Ms Sun was around. Our integrity is still sound, we do not condone piracy, never have, never will(You can ask Masta Killa for confirmation) And accusing COL of anything based on hearsay is foolish to say the least. Have a good day *wtb spelling skillbook We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:36:00 - [91] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug likes to make up alot of stories saying that didnt Prove your point ? Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug i love ya but when you do this stuff i feel like you have broken the unsaid rules of this game. I have no problem in admiting login trap I don`t need to deny it, when its done. In case with FiX - we had blind scout, who messed gang chat with local. You are still newb, Stan j\k. Take a rest, and step back as ceo. As for HF fanboys. For 3 weeks of war with hf - we lost less than 10 battleships. Killed - more than 100. Ofc aAa\RAT. are lame Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
zincol S.A.S	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:46:00 - [92] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug likes to make up alot of stories saying that didnt Prove your point ? Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug i love ya but when you do this stuff i feel like you have broken the unsaid rules of this game. Please Post with your main... Rat. doing login traps wtf is this... Who makes this stuff up I have no problem in admiting login trap I don`t need to deny it, when its done. In case with FiX - we had blind scout, who messed gang chat with local. You are still newb, Stan j\k. Take a rest, and step back as ceo. As for HF fanboys. For 3 weeks of war with hf - we lost less than 10 battleships. Killed - more than 100. Ofc aAa\RAT. are lame
GO MaZ Killson Corp HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:56:00 - [93] Originally by: Man1ac Yeah, bring more alts to paint .-A-. black. Thats the thing you got to do when you are losing ingame. Raane is a member of KSC (ex HF), so no alts here. Now to bring my POV, the way I see it, you guys are highly skilled, you know how to act in fleets and you're organised as hell, so the question remains, why do you even use borderline tactics when you could just as easily win without them on skill alone? People dont want to fight you BECAUSE you use these tactics - if you're only playing for the pvp, then using that sort of tactics hardly benefits you... (Not with respect to this exact incident, more to the fact that RAT / SE have admitted using 'logon traps' in the past).
Hazad Barud Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:58:00 - [94] what can i say... i love u aAa...lol u give me a laugh anyways.... some snipers u got there 28 000 HP went insta pop... i dont mind that i had to w8 2 mintes for it to show up ... lovely PP: 10x for posting my loss-mail in local, and giving away who are your important guys :) *** current kills to loss ratio : 11 : 1
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 16:59:00 - [95] Originally by: Hazad Barud PP: 10x for posting my loss-mail in local, and giving away who are your important guys :) Dude, who did that - received warning. 2 more warnings and he`ll be kicked out of RAT. Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Hazad Barud Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:06:00 - [96] Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: Hazad Barud PP: 10x for posting my loss-mail in local, and giving away who are your important guys :) Dude, who did that - received warning. 2 more warnings and he`ll be kicked out of RAT. uhm... i am ok with that... it was the guy that told him to be quiet that made a mistake... if u dont understand why, i dont plan to teach ya *** current kills to loss ratio : 11 : 1
monoRAIL Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:08:00 - [97] 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread.
NATMav F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:09:00 - [98] Originally by: monoRAIL 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread. QFT...nobody ever posts FRAPS when they get owned.
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:10:00 - [99] Edited by: Man1ac on 12/08/2006 17:11:51 Originally by: GO MaZ Originally by: Man1ac Yeah, bring more alts to paint .-A-. black. Thats the thing you got to do when you are losing ingame. Raane is a member of KSC (ex HF), so no alts here. Now to bring my POV, the way I see it, you guys are highly skilled, you know how to act in fleets and you're organised as hell, so the question remains, why do you even use borderline tactics when you could just as easily win without them on skill alone? People dont want to fight you BECAUSE you use these tactics - if you're only playing for the pvp, then using that sort of tactics hardly benefits you... .-A-. have to resort to this when fighting Extremely Numerically Superior enemy. ... You see, someone here think that safety is in numbers and they blob, blob, and blob some more. And when it's not working - they whine that it's a cheat, that someone created a lag, or anything else they can think of. Quote: (Not with respect to this exact incident, more to the fact that RAT / SE have admitted using 'logon traps' in the past). That does not mean that RAT/SE are winning ONLY because of that, or using it EVERY time.
Hazad Barud Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:11:00 - [100] Originally by: monoRAIL 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread. when i go in fleet engagements i dont usually think about fraps... *** current kills to loss ratio : 11 : 1
GO MaZ Killson Corp HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:23:00 - [101] Originally by: Man1ac That does not mean that AAA are winning ONLY because of that, or using it EVERY time. I never said that, you won fair and square and would've even without that nasty login trap on the dreads in v2 () I was simply making a point, and your response has been noted (and thankyou) - now put your < key away
Man1ac Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:38:00 - [102] Originally by: GO MaZ I never said that, you won fair and square and would've even without that nasty login trap on the dreads in v2 () I was simply making a point, and your response has been noted (and thankyou) - now put your < key away It was not about HZ, really. You guys are honest, and I've not seen you whining. Biggest whiners are known, and very visible on this forum. ;) I think that current game mechanincs related to this is wise, and does not allow you to win just by numbers. Otherwise it would be too simple and boring. If CCP change it - we will adapt, until then - we play EVE, not StarCraft.
Yanda Star Blood Industry	Posted - 2006.08.12 17:50:00 - [103] Hi Its not a new tactic... See yu
Ilany BANK of HUZZAH FEDERATION HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:04:00 - [104] Originally by: Taz Devlin Yes realy. If you don't have anything to back up claims, please refrain from posting. The first .-A-. POS to go up anywhere around FAT, was infact in FAT. No, NOT really. We laughed at the alliance mail when we saw one go up in 4-07 rather than FAT or 5N. But you know full well there is no way of proving it (as with your fortuitous logins) so get off your high horsey. PS. FIX, since we're all having a nice little chat here, a friendly tip: If you're taking any POSs down, for whatever reason , be aware that they have an uncanny habit of suddenly turning up 30 seconds after you hit unanchor and stealing the tower, even if the system has been empty for several hours. Again, shucks, I can't prove anything, but since it's happened 3-4 times it has left us wondering... ------
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:18:00 - [105] There's nothing else to say about ET and RA(T) other then LAME, as always. Advice: Fight fire with fire. The truth will set you free
Droewa Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:40:00 - [106] So a scout missed over 80 some pilots in local? WoW if that's the case he should be fired. But some how i doubt that anyone would miss the number of pilots in local. anyway, I can see the evilthug has some sense in player conduct. now if he could just have the same type of thought when it come to fleet tactics all would be cool. Grow some balls. quit with the lameness. the "ccp say it's ok" doesn't mean it's not a lousy way to play the game. Oh, also i laugh HAHAHA!!! at the buffoons who are bragging about your kill loss ratio. It seems everyone in EVE has more kills that losses. Through these fields of destruction. Baptisms of fire. Ive watched your suffering. As the battles raged higher. they hurt me so bad In the fear and alarm. You did not desert me, my brothers in arms!
Dragerest Total Warehouse Logistics Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:46:00 - [107] Originally by: Yanda Hi Its not a new tactic... See yu that is all that needs to be said. ________________________________________________________ nerf WCS
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:47:00 - [108] Originally by: Ilany Originally by: Taz Devlin Yes realy. If you don't have anything to back up claims, please refrain from posting. The first .-A-. POS to go up anywhere around FAT, was infact in FAT. No, NOT really. We laughed at the alliance mail when we saw one go up in 4-07 rather than FAT or 5N. But you know full well there is no way of proving it (as with your fortuitous logins) so get off your high horsey. PS. FIX, since we're all having a nice little chat here, a friendly tip: If you're taking any POSs down, for whatever reason , be aware that they have an uncanny habit of suddenly turning up 30 seconds after you hit unanchor and stealing the tower, even if the system has been empty for several hours. Again, shucks, I can't prove anything, but since it's happened 3-4 times it has left us wondering... No high horse here miss, though I do advice you to lay off the weed. As for the reasons to where we erect a POS and how we show up from absolutely nowhere? That's for us to know and you to speculate wildly about. Have fun We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Jackkal	Posted - 2006.08.12 18:50:00 - [109] Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. yeah right. is that how be justifies it.
Admiral IceBlock Caldari Northern Intelligence SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:07:00 - [110] If only CCP could hear my call!
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:12:00 - [111] Edited by: Crucifier on 12/08/2006 22:11:58 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock If only CCP could hear my call! http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/iceblock_forum_*****.JPG
Ko3ak Minmatar Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:17:00 - [112] Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 12/08/2006 22:11:58 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock If only CCP could hear my call! http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/iceblock_forum_*****.JPG bad link
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:24:00 - [113] Originally by: Ko3ak Originally by: Crucifier Edited by: Crucifier on 12/08/2006 22:11:58 Originally by: Admiral IceBlock If only CCP could hear my call! http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/iceblock_forum_***.JPG bad link http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/iceblock_forum_*.JPG < put "*" instead of "***" i suppose =/
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:26:00 - [114] Originally by: Crucifier http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/iceblock_forum_***.JPG < put "*" instead of "**" i suppose =/ Wow, it's all clear now, thx ___________ In LAG we trust*
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 22:56:00 - [115] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 12/08/2006 22:58:28 If we are discussin fair fights, why dont we discuss FIX blobbing to 100+ to fight a 30 man gang, or better yet gettuing 15 people to chase one inty in their region. Dude, before goin out and starting to smack on people, make sure your own ways of fighting if not entirely good, at least considerably ok. p.s. edit > typo. -=-
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:04:00 - [116] Originally by: Sky Hunter If we are discussin fair fights, why dont we discuss FIX blobbing to 100+ to fight a 30 man gang, or better yet gettuing 15 people to chase one inty in their region. We rarely even have 100 people on in alliance chat to begin with. I personally have never seen a FIX gang larger than 50-60 in my whole time in FIX, even when we used to have more corporations. So yeah, this thing about "blobbing 100+"? Come on, if you're going to lie, say something believable, or moreso, something even possible. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:12:00 - [117] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Sky Hunter If we are discussin fair fights, why dont we discuss FIX blobbing to 100+ to fight a 30 man gang, or better yet gettuing 15 people to chase one inty in their region. We rarely even have 100 people on in alliance chat to begin with. I personally have never seen a FIX gang larger than 50-60 in my whole time in FIX, even when we used to have more corporations. So yeah, this thing about "blobbing 100+"? Come on, if you're going to lie, say something believable, or moreso, something even possible. Well, i cant count yr gang with exact numbers. But like 3-4 month ago we came into 9cg with 40 ppl gang(including scouts), local grew up to 120+ or something before we could start fighting. Cant remember exact time tho... -=-
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:14:00 - [118] Originally by: Sky Hunter Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Sky Hunter If we are discussin fair fights, why dont we discuss FIX blobbing to 100+ to fight a 30 man gang, or better yet gettuing 15 people to chase one inty in their region. We rarely even have 100 people on in alliance chat to begin with. I personally have never seen a FIX gang larger than 50-60 in my whole time in FIX, even when we used to have more corporations. So yeah, this thing about "blobbing 100+"? Come on, if you're going to lie, say something believable, or moreso, something even possible. Well, i cant count yr gang with exact numbers. But like 3-4 month ago we came into 9cg with 40 ppl gang(including scouts), local grew up to 120+ or something before we could start fighting. Cant remember exact time tho... If it was 3-4 months, ago, I wouldn't be surprised if half of local was SA --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
ramelof Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:46:00 - [119] old screenshot SE VS FIX ( fix red)http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/xb/2005.02.01.23.35.43.jpg
VCBee 909	Posted - 2006.08.12 23:53:00 - [120] Honestly, WHY YOU EVEN SEE WHO IS IN THE SYSTEM without scanning? The local window is purely a CCP built-in CHEAT. Local icons should only reflect the those who have spoken in last few minutes or during the time you are in the system. At most have it show those who have set positive standings towards you as it does now show everyone in the system. I have no issues with fleets using log on as a way to avoid this cheat built by CCP. If you have a rational argument for why you should see who exactly is in the system even though they might be docked or behind a planet so that your scanner could not possibly detect them except in some lame ccp fantasy then please tell us.
Firane Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:00:00 - [121] Post with your main. See ya. -----------
Wierd Beard Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:01:00 - [122] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Sky Hunter If we are discussin fair fights, why dont we discuss FIX blobbing to 100+ to fight a 30 man gang, or better yet gettuing 15 people to chase one inty in their region. We rarely even have 100 people on in alliance chat to begin with. I personally have never seen a FIX gang larger than 50-60 in my whole time in FIX, even when we used to have more corporations. So yeah, this thing about "blobbing 100+"? Come on, if you're going to lie, say something believable, or moreso, something even possible. There was one time I can remember. This past Easter during BoB's great Easter Egg Hunt...we brought the egg That night (I got home late and drunk) I saw pretty much every alliance member who was online, out in their Sunday best for that fight. If I wasn't furiously throwing every BS I owned at the BoB fleet...solo...(I told you I was drunk) I might have burst from the pride I felt in the alliance that night. Sorry, off topic. On topic. Wasn't there when it went down, so all I got is basically opinion. All I can say for certain is: Thanks -A-! Our boys hate travelling to find targets to shoot at. And enjoy FAT. It's certainly done well for every alliance that has ever held it C-ya in space
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:23:00 - [123] Originally by: Taz Devlin, The Collective Our integrity is still sound, we do not condone piracy, never have, never will(You can ask Masta Killa for confirmation) And accusing COL of anything based on hearsay is foolish to say the least. Originally by: Evil Thug, Rage and Terror I have no problem in admiting login trap I don`t need to deny it, when its done. According to Evil Thug's forum signature, RAT and COL preformed a log on trap which managed to kill 3 ASCN freighters. Yet you consider the integrity of your corp to be.. sound? Unless ofcourse that incident is all hearsay. -----
Evil Thug Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:27:00 - [124] Cyvok made a mistake. We performed that trap with SE forces. I didn`t wanted to edit this quote, so it remains genuine As you can see - there is some typos, in that quote (like "Kerion", "cancle" etc) Rage and Terror - making people quit EVE.
Angelus X Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 00:28:00 - [125] Originally by: Evil Thug Cyvok made a mistake. We performed that trap with SE forces. I didn`t wanted to edit this quote, so it remains genuine As you can see - there is some typos, in that quote (like "Kerion", "cancle" etc) fair enough. comment retracted. -----
Dracolich North Star Networks Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.13 01:22:00 - [126] If its possible, its doable. Having said that, I don't like it. _______________________________________ Does killing the weak, make you feel strong?
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Two Brothers Mining Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.13 05:41:00 - [127] Originally by: Sorja Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. Erm... I don't know who told you that, but when I logoff or crash, I still end up at the exact same location (5-15km off) where I logged off or crashed. Logged off once today, and crashed 3-4 times, so... it certainly isn't fixed. Maybe they'll fix it tomorrow?
Crucifier The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 05:58:00 - [128] Edited by: Crucifier on 13/08/2006 05:58:27 Originally by: Sentinel Eeex Originally by: Sorja Logon traps existed before can't remember which patch that made you warp away when logging off. They do not exist anymore since you don't appear where you logged off anymore. So, to make it perfectly clear, mass login tactics require to login (30 seconds), form the gang (2 minutes) and warping to the gate/POS (30 seconds). Even if you don't form a gang, that's still more than one minute where the scout sees local growing up before anything happens. This is never going to change, so live with it or quit. Erm... I don't know who told you that, but when I logoff or crash, I still end up at the exact same location (5-15km off) where I logged off or crashed. Logged off once today, and crashed 3-4 times, so... it certainly isn't fixed. Maybe they'll fix it tomorrow? Dont know what hes talking about, dont comment
Gierling Gallente Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.13 06:12:00 - [129] Originally by: Murukan Saying that RAT uses logon tactics is rather like beating a dead horse, everyone already knows. The horse isn't dead, it's just logged off.
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 07:40:00 - [130] Untill this tactic is claimed to be an exploit sadly nothing can be done , just an addition to the big list of questionable tactics that ppl use. On a diff note , is there any fraps or pics ? "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.13 09:07:00 - [131] Originally by: Yazoul Samaiel Untill this tactic is claimed to be an exploit sadly nothing can be done , just an addition to the big list of questionable tactics that ppl use. On a diff note , is there any fraps or pics ? Yeah, has either side got any screenshots or fraps to disprove the other side?
ELECTR0FREAK Eye of God	Posted - 2006.08.13 10:57:00 - [132] Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 13/08/2006 10:58:36 AAA corps, especially RAT, have been known to use log in tactics very frequently. They used a log in trap to kill some ASCN freighters a month ago. It wasnt just all the ships logging in that killed the freighters. It was the immense lag. Too bad Log-In Traps have not been officially classified as an exploit. However, using a game mechanic to purposely generate large amounts of lag (logging in a fleet of ships at once), is. It's a lame tactic. Honestly it's not really a tactic at all. The act of logging out to hide a large force is an attempt to bypass the ships-in-space feature of the map designed to provide information on hostile concentrations in 0.0. This feature was included in game to allow players the ability to anticipate a hostile force and prepare / react accordingly. Logging a large number of allied players out for more than 30 minutes is a blatant work-around (or dare I say exploit) of this game mechanic. The lag generated in the process of logging back in is ridiculous as well and becomes yet another exploit of the game system. The way to fix this? Put a log-in timer on each system. Force the server to form a queue and wait a few seconds between each person logging in to the same system. This prevents mass-login traps and prevents lag, as it allows those in system to load the logging-in characters one at a time. Lastly, I would like to make a statement to AAA and other corps/alliances who use log-in traps: If you would like to be respected for your combat abilities, don't resort to lame stuff like login traps. It's an exploit that allows you to gain an unfair advantage, generate lag, and bypass game mechanics. Not only is it a pathetic way to win a fight, but it generates that much more work for CCP's staff having to handle all the petitions that result from ship losses due to the exploitation of lag. Could we get an offical dev response on CCP's stance towards this issue? I have very little doubt that they would stand for this, but I have yet to see an actual response. -Electrofreak Discoverer of the Missile Damage Formula
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 11:05:00 - [133] Edited by: Dianabolic on 13/08/2006 11:05:21 tbh ccp need to cut the amount of detail given in the ingame map by lots. They should remove number of jumps, pilots in space and cyno fields at the very least. They should then, and only then, qualify mass logins as an exploit. Until then, as lame and pathetic as the tactic is it is and will remain valid.

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HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.13 12:13:00 - [135] Logon Traps = Lame. People screaming logon trap cos they got owned by tactics = Newb. CCP not sorting out logon traps and banning ppl who use them = :*( http://members.lycos.co.uk/snailbrain/hateme.jpg
Tiny Carlos Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 12:18:00 - [136] Edited by: Tiny Carlos on 13/08/2006 12:20:24 While there are the 'easy mode' features of the Map and Local, I really don't see a problem with people using logon traps. Log-on are slower than jumpins, I dont't bother with them, but are a way to get round the no skill intel you get given by map/local. "Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others." - Groucho Marx
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 12:24:00 - [137] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Logon Traps = Lame. People screaming logon trap cos they got owned by tactics = Newb. CCP not sorting out logon traps and banning ppl who use them = :*( You forgot "people who bring 250 pilots to a fight, warp to a POS full of guns and extra ships, and then whine about lag exploits" We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Vegas Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.13 12:48:00 - [138] The amount of ppl in this thread that are condenming log in traps that were/are in certain corps that I myself have been a victim against is Laughable. Double standards ftw. -------------------------------------------- Originally by: Mokelo Just browsing the killboards and wow someone just got owned. Originally by: Ulynidd Yes you got owned for posting with an alt.
Evelyn Exe	Posted - 2006.08.13 13:36:00 - [139] Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Logon Traps = Lame. People screaming logon trap cos they got owned by tactics = Newb. CCP not sorting out logon traps and banning ppl who use them = :( You forgot "people who bring 250 pilots to a fight, warp to a POS full of guns and extra ships, and then whine about lag exploits" Don't be deliberately obtuse. You know that you/your alliance use lame sploits. You can deny it all you like here (for the benefit of whom I have no idea) but you, me and everyone else that knows anything knows this to be true. Originally by:* Evil Thug I have no problem in admiting login trap
Cuebick Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 14:10:00 - [140] Actual set of events: Fix jump in, somehow miss the fact that we have 80 local, lag, lag, they die and we get flamed for it. No login trap.
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 14:32:00 - [141] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Logon Traps = Lame. People screaming logon trap cos they got owned by tactics = Newb. CCP not sorting out logon traps and banning ppl who use them = :*( You forgot "people who bring 250 pilots to a fight, warp to a POS full of guns and extra ships, and then whine about lag exploits" Don't be deliberately obtuse. You know that you/your alliance use lame sploits. You can deny it all you like here (for the benefit of whom I have no idea) but you, me and everyone else that knows anything knows this to be true. Step 1: Fight us Step 2: Gather evidence Step 3: Exhibit said evidence Step 4: Accuse I looked you up on both corp and alliance killboards, and you are nowhere to be seen on either one, so I'm just going to assume you skipped the first 3 steps and went right to step 4. We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
WETRAIN Minmatar Phantom Squad	Posted - 2006.08.13 15:33:00 - [142] any tactic that pwns your enemey = good tactic. O RLY!???????? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When the People are Ready the Master will come. - D R S -
Evelyn Exe	Posted - 2006.08.13 15:59:00 - [143] Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 13/08/2006 16:01:19 edit: not worth it. If you choose to believe that your alliance mates don't do log on traps or you don't care whether or not they do, then that's up to you. Originally by: Evil Thug I have no problem in admiting login trap
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 16:11:00 - [144] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 13/08/2006 16:01:19 edit: not worth it. If you choose to believe that your alliance mates don't do log on traps or you don't care whether or not they do, then that's up to you. What I know or do not know, is irrelevant to you runing around pointing fingers without anything to back up your claims. We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.13 17:37:00 - [145] Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Evelyn Exe Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 13/08/2006 16:01:19 edit: not worth it. If you choose to believe that your alliance mates don't do log on traps or you don't care whether or not they do, then that's up to you. What I know or do not know, is irrelevant to you runing around pointing fingers without anything to back up your claims. BoB made me do it doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.13 20:49:00 - [146] Edited by: Sky Hunter on 13/08/2006 20:54:27 Originally by: ELECTR0FREAK Edited by: ELECTR0FREAK on 13/08/2006 10:58:36 AAA corps, especially RAT, have been known to use log in tactics very frequently. They used a log in trap to kill some ASCN freighters a month ago. It wasnt just all the ships logging in that killed the freighters. It was the immense lag. Too bad Log-In Traps have not been officially classified as an exploit. However, using a game mechanic to purposely generate large amounts of lag (logging in a fleet of ships at once), is. It's a lame tactic. Honestly it's not really a tactic at all. The act of logging out to hide a large force is an attempt to bypass the ships-in-space feature of the map designed to provide information on hostile concentrations in 0.0. This feature was included in game to allow players the ability to anticipate a hostile force and prepare / react accordingly. Logging a large number of allied players out for more than 30 minutes is a blatant work-around (or dare I say exploit) of this game mechanic. The lag generated in the process of logging back in is ridiculous as well and becomes yet another exploit of the game system. The way to fix this? Put a log-in timer on each system. Force the server to form a queue and wait a few seconds between each person logging in to the same system. This prevents mass-login traps and prevents lag, as it allows those in system to load the logging-in characters one at a time. Lastly, I would like to make a statement to AAA and other corps/alliances who use log-in traps: If you would like to be respected for your combat abilities, don't resort to lame stuff like login traps. It's an exploit that allows you to gain an unfair advantage, generate lag, and bypass game mechanics. Not only is it a pathetic way to win a fight, but it generates that much more work for CCP's staff having to handle all the petitions that result from ship losses due to the exploitation of lag. Could we get an offical dev response on CCP's stance towards this issue? I have very little doubt that they would stand for this, but I have yet to see an actual response. So now you claim that we cause lag? Then maybe we can dicuss ASCN + Friends gathering 3-4x more people then RAT\XB\SE forces back then? That was certainly more laggy. Or maybe if we turn duscussion about freighters into other direction..like how your entire fleet hit Quit\Reset buttons when we jumped you, we could catch only about 20 guys that either logged back on and tryed to fight or those who were already tackled when they logged. EDIT: As for your fix solution, wich i dont know what is for...imagine a new patch with Tier 3 BS. Z0mg. Server up at peak time! ~30k ppl logging in and having to wait about 30 000 seconds for server to make it thru all characters. What a great way to let someone wait till next day to get into game! More of that server will need to constantly process queues wich will result in more resources taken. even if it will be done as per system, imagine 400 ppl loggin in Jita...wait 1-2 hours to get into game? Lol. Another thing is, and this thing is from me personally, we dont need repest of people who we beat, and they still try to sneak on us via forums or other ways that they are good at them and their ships are safe. And another thing from my personall opinion as well. How to make a carebear gang fight when they arent even showing their nose out untill theres 4:1 ratio? You figure that out. -=-
StiZum Hilidii Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.13 20:53:00 - [147] Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 13/08/2006 20:53:52 Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Evelyn Exe Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 13/08/2006 16:01:19 edit: not worth it. If you choose to believe that your alliance mates don't do log on traps or you don't care whether or not they do, then that's up to you. What I know or do not know, is irrelevant to you runing around pointing fingers without anything to back up your claims. muppet read what evil thug said Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug likes to make up alot of stories saying that didnt Prove your point ? Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug i love ya but when you do this stuff i feel like you have broken the unsaid rules of this game. I have no problem in admiting login trap I don`t need to deny it, when its done. so there you go FREE PERSON OF EARTH AGAINST EVE IN COMMUNIST CHINA
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.14 00:13:00 - [148] It really sours your day, doesnt it? Dev And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.14 01:03:00 - [149] Originally by: Sky Hunter So now you claim that we cause lag? There's no real cause for login tactics to cause anymore lag than say a normal fleet warping into you. I think what happens is that everyone commonly uses the friends list to mark hostiles and if you have a login trap where 70 or so people in your addressbook suddenly login in and the EVE client and your own computer struggle to display all those portraits across the right side of your screen. That's where massive lag occurs. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
Randay 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.14 01:23:00 - [150] Originally by: Imode Originally by: Sky Hunter So now you claim that we cause lag? There's no real cause for login tactics to cause anymore lag than say a normal fleet warping into you. I think what happens is that everyone commonly uses the friends list to mark hostiles and if you have a login trap where 70 or so people in your addressbook suddenly login in and the EVE client and your own computer struggle to display all those portraits across the right side of your screen. That's where massive lag occurs. If thats the case then surely there is no denying or doubt as to whether "login" tactics were used. If you had them in address book and they all logged on at the same... was that what happened? ------------------------------------------- Apparently the Swedish language is against the rules of the forums.
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.14 01:51:00 - [151] I wasn't there, so I won't comment on what actually happened. Some say faulty intel, some say login trap. AAA is a rather new enemy for most of us, so while I may have a number of COL pilots in my peoples and places, I lack many of the SE and RAT. pilots, so I cannot say for sure. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
liquidism Asgard Schiffswerften Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.14 03:30:00 - [152] Evil Thug: best sig ever.. HAHAHAH!!
Shin Ra BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.14 05:12:00 - [153] Originally by: liquidism Evil Thug: best sig ever.. HAHAHAH!! Yep I agree.
Dawn Princess The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.14 08:52:00 - [154] Originally by: Shin Ra Originally by: liquidism Evil Thug: best sig ever.. HAHAHAH!! Yep I agree. Me too. We should all celebrate the fact that lame sploits and tactics led to CCP losing revenue of around $36,000 p.a. in a game that we all profss to love. Eh? Oh.
Xantina Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.08.14 09:28:00 - [155] Edited by: Xantina on 14/08/2006 09:30:03 Originally by: Shin Ra There is a difference between log on tactics and loging on to fight. If 50 people are chatting on teamspeak but logged off and one guy scouting (but logged on) says: Hey guys there is a fleet attacking out pos, lets go kill them. So the 50 people log on, gang up, get into position and start fighting. I dunno what happened here, but don't be so quick to shout log-in trap as I'm sure so many people will do. Well the way you describe it it sounds like there was some merry chat on TS underway, some 50 or so discussing the philosophical aspects of the late works of Charles D1ckens, not wasting a thought on things like EVE ... when suddenly a guy (who just wanted to check his skills i am sure) noticed some hostile presence in the system and sounded the alarm ... and a piece of good luck had it that all of those people were logged out in the same system. So that killing the attackers due to the massive lag they experienced was just a ... what's the word ... coincidence ?
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.14 11:23:00 - [156] Edited by: Omeega on 14/08/2006 11:23:55 haha. haven't been there as my net is broken. but i see a lot of ppl crying :( Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Taz Devlin Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.14 16:20:00 - [157] Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Edited by: StiZum Hilidii on 13/08/2006 20:53:52 Originally by: Taz Devlin Originally by: Evelyn Exe Edited by: Evelyn Exe on 13/08/2006 16:01:19 edit: not worth it. If you choose to believe that your alliance mates don't do log on traps or you don't care whether or not they do, then that's up to you. What I know or do not know, is irrelevant to you runing around pointing fingers without anything to back up your claims. muppet read what evil thug said Originally by: Evil Thug Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug likes to make up alot of stories saying that didnt Prove your point ? Originally by: StiZum Hilidii Evil Thug i love ya but when you do this stuff i feel like you have broken the unsaid rules of this game. I have no problem in admiting login trap I don`t need to deny it, when its done. so there you go Thank you Stan, but do read the part I highlighted from your quote, and then check out all of Evil Thugs' comments in this thread So yet again I reiterate, running around pointing fingers with nothing to substantiate the claim, is just rude to say the least. We are The Collective We are as one Protection and Prosperity through assistance and assimilation Resistance is Futile
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.14 17:39:00 - [158] Originally by: Omeega Edited by: Omeega on 14/08/2006 11:23:55 haha. haven't been there as my net is broken. but i see a lot of ppl crying :( I have taken your place in HQ of 'Anti Whine Operations' and soon Ill conquer your baby production facilities! ebil laugh -=-
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:51:00 - [159] That battle was pretty simple from the strategic point of view actually. We knew enemy gang was comming, we knew what kind of ships were in this gang, we were more than ready. They are jumping in, our support is at the gate already, snipers are warping to the optimal... boom-boom... THE END. No need for logon traps or anything else at all. Pure Sun Tzu. Quote: 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread. Well we didn't start this thread after all so ;) ... -------
BoinKlasik Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:51:00 - [160] Originally by: M1NeR That battle was pretty simple from the strategic point of view actually. We knew enemy gang was comming, we knew what kind of ships were in this gang, we were more than ready. They are jumping in, our support is at the gate already, snipers are warping to the optimal... boom-boom... THE END. No need for logon traps or anything else at all. Pure Sun Tzu. Quote: 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread. Well we didn't start this thread after all so ;) ... bumping this makes flamers cry...or is it the other way around? doh, I broke my edited sig :/ cries this signature was lacking pink, I'll provide it for you. There. Looks better doesn't it? -Eris Fixed it for you. Oh, btw, yarr! ~kieron Didn't I tell you? The damsel moved in with me, we're having a great time. - Wrangler The damsel may not be distressed any more, but how many times does the informant have to be silenced before he gets the message? - Cortes
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:58:00 - [161] I just enjoy putting my 5 cents in 'ere from time to time . -------
Muad'dib The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:17:00 - [162] Originally by: Ilany Originally by: Taz Devlin Yes realy. If you don't have anything to back up claims, please refrain from posting. The first .-A-. POS to go up anywhere around FAT, was infact in FAT. No, NOT really. We laughed at the alliance mail when we saw one go up in 4-07 rather than FAT or 5N. But you know full well there is no way of proving it (as with your fortuitous logins) so get off your high horsey. PS. FIX, since we're all having a nice little chat here, a friendly tip: If you're taking any POSs down, for whatever reason , be aware that they have an uncanny habit of suddenly turning up 30 seconds after you hit unanchor and stealing the tower, even if the system has been empty for several hours. Again, shucks, I can't prove anything, but since it's happened 3-4 times it has left us wondering... Who here hasn't heard of scouts
Sky Hunter Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:36:00 - [163] Originally by: BoinKlasik Originally by: M1NeR That battle was pretty simple from the strategic point of view actually. We knew enemy gang was comming, we knew what kind of ships were in this gang, we were more than ready. They are jumping in, our support is at the gate already, snipers are warping to the optimal... boom-boom... THE END. No need for logon traps or anything else at all. Pure Sun Tzu. Quote: 4 pages in and nobody has posted FRAPS of the fight? Post FRAPS if you got it. Otherwise there's no point to this thread. Well we didn't start this thread after all so ;) ... bumping this makes flamers cry...or is it the other way around? Wer just training our Special Thread Fighting Unit right now. -=-
WRWR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 03:24:00 - [164] OMGanother topic for whiners
Sammy Xan Caldari Order of the Storm	Posted - 2006.08.18 06:14:00 - [165] Originally by: WRWR OMGanother topic for whiners Does it mean you were in on that log-on trap but don't want to be called for it ?
WRWR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:19:00 - [166] niet niet tovarish
Mindlles 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:37:00 - [167] Originally by: WRWR niet niet tovarish My slave is looking for ur slave lady !!! Bring her to me!!! I send u iskies!
John McCreedy Caldari Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:39:00 - [168] Originally by: Sky Hunter So now you claim that we cause lag? Then maybe we can dicuss ASCN + Friends gathering 3-4x more people then RAT\XB\SE forces back then? That was certainly more lagg Herein lies the crux of the argument. It is not, nor has ever been about the lag. Everyone knows that bringing 200+ ships to a fight is laggy but the argument is about the artificial generation and increase of lag. Mass log on tatics where the node is suddenly having to deal with dozens of people logging in at the same time in order to ensure a system slows down and game commands don't respond in time or warping ships to a POS that has dozens of shuttles, cans and t1 frigs behind its shield artificially generate lag for the sole reason of ensuring it takes longer for the grid to load for the attacker, are taking the limitations of the server and using them to gain a victory. The argument here is that the only people who don't consider it an exploit are the people who use it and evidently CCP due to their lack of interest in doing anything about it. All the while, people are becoming so sick and tired of these lame tatics and CCP's unwillingness to respond that they're leaving Eve for other games. I find it strange how an ex-member was once ordered to take down a peace of can art from near a gate in a 0.0 system yet it is acceptable to have the same amount of cans arranged somewhat less artistically behind a POS shield. But of course ASCN or Axe or FIX or LV or -V- or the majority of Eve's subscribers who don't use this tatic, are wrong in our assesment of these tatics, that our approach to this game is wrong and that we're all just whiners Make a Difference
Honour Gaurd Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:10:00 - [169] Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Sky Hunter So now you claim that we cause lag? Then maybe we can dicuss ASCN + Friends gathering 3-4x more people then RAT\XB\SE forces back then? That was certainly more lagg Blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob, blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob blob 200+ blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob a blob blob blob and blob blob blob blob in blob time or blob ships to a blob blob has blob of blobs, blob and t1 blobs blob its blob blob blob blob blob the blob reason of blob it takes blob for the blob to blob for the blob, are blob the blob of the blob and using blob to gain blob. The blob here is that the only blob who don't blob it blob are the blob who blob it and blob blob blob to blob of blobest in blobing blob about it. All the blob, blob are becoming so blob and blobed of these blob tatics and CCP's blobwillingness to blob that they're blobing Eve for other games. Does this mean that you guys only blob and whine? Since everytime we come, you jump out of the system or hug the POS.. Atleast we'r fighting outnumberd... nuff said
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:38:00 - [170] Originally by: Honour Gaurd Originally by: John McCreedy Originally by: Sky Hunter So now you claim that we cause lag? Then maybe we can dicuss ASCN + Friends gathering 3-4x more people then RAT\XB\SE forces back then? That was certainly more lagg Blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob, blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob blob 200+ blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob. Blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob blob a blob blob blob and blob blob blob blob in blob time or blob ships to a blob blob has blob of blobs, blob and t1 blobs blob its blob blob blob blob blob the blob reason of blob it takes blob for the blob to blob for the blob, are blob the blob of the blob and using blob to gain blob. The blob here is that the only blob who don't blob it blob are the blob who blob it and blob blob blob to blob of blobest in blobing blob about it. All the blob, blob are becoming so blob and blobed of these blob tatics and CCP's blobwillingness to blob that they're blobing Eve for other games. Does this mean that you guys only blob and whine? Since everytime we come, you jump out of the system or hug the POS.. Atleast we'r fighting outnumberd... nuff said try to say to 200 people not to fight. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 10:12:00 - [171] imho, easy. create a mining op. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:07:00 - [172] Originally by: Omeega imho, easy. create a mining op. "Oy gents, since we want to make things fair in this war, next time we have a pvp op, half of the people that wants to go to the pvp op must go make a mining op instead. But don't worry. Mining ops are much more fun that pvp ops." tbh I'm not seeing it happen omeega ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:40:00 - [173] i wasn't talking serious grim. Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.18 11:48:00 - [174] Originally by: Honour Gaurd Does this mean that you guys only blob and whine? Since everytime we come, you jump out of the system or hug the POS.. At least we're fighting outnumberd... nuff said Just becuase you have fewer members in your alliance does not mean you are fighting outnumbered. You think we are all sat in one system? You guys never engage by choice unless you have an advantage in terms of ship types or numbers, same as us, same as everyone else in the game, you just play the numbers game. EVE is like poker, you want to be successful in it long term you play the odds. Please don't try to portray yorselves as some kind of master pvpers fighting some rebel struggle here. Everytime I have gone looking for fights with AAA its nearly always a solo guy in a rifter/vigil or some big blob of BS. Originally by: Evil Thug I have no problem in admiting login trap
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:18:00 - [175] Edited by: M1NeR on 18/08/2006 12:34:47 Originally by: Evelyn Exe You guys never engage by choice unless you have an advantage in terms of ship types or numbers, same as us, same as everyone else in the game, you just play the numbers game. Oh rly? I guess u've forgotten E3 and V2 battles already . In E3 you every time had 50-100% more ppl in your gang than in ours. And when you came to V2 at last to help HF together with IAC your combined forces were at least twice bigger than ours if not even more. Ahh, just got it now! You were talking about your own alliance! Yeah, that's how it goes actually . And now seriously... Yes, using numbers or advantage of ships' quality are both valid tactical options. We have nothing against 'em and if we can we'll use 'em both. But we wont avoid the battle even if have none of those advantages. Because our fleet commanders and pilots prefer using brains rather than placing hopes only on those two above mentioned things. That's the difference between you and us. You'll never engage if you feel that some odds are against you. We'll engage even if we have the slightest chance to archive the victory. That's it. Blade running is our style. And for now it turned into many successful engagements for us. Skill > blob. -------
Edoo Occassus Republica Process of Elimination	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:23:00 - [176] Originally by: Droewa log on trapzor oh noes
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:34:00 - [177] Originally by: M1NeR Edited by: M1NeR on 18/08/2006 12:19:15 Originally by: Evelyn Exe You guys never engage by choice unless you have an advantage in terms of ship types or numbers, same as us, same as everyone else in the game, you just play the numbers game. Oh rly? I guess u've forgotten E3 and V2 battles already . In E3 you every time had 50-100% more ppl in your gang than in ours. And when you came to V2 at last to help HF together with IAC your combined forces were at least twice bigger than ours if not even more. Ahh, just got it now! You were talking about your own alliance! Yeah, that's how it goes actually . As i said "you guys never engage by choice" without the numerical advantage. Both E3- and V2 engagements were forced upon you because it was POS warfare. And E3- is irrelevant to this anyway because as was seen numbers were a disadvantage not an advantage. In any event, I am not flaming AAA I am simply stating that like everyone else you pick and choose your fights and wait until you have the advantage whenever you can. Of course you do, you would be stupid not to.
Honour Gaurd Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:35:00 - [178] Originally by: Evelyn Exe Originally by: Honour Gaurd Does this mean that you guys only blob and whine? Since everytime we come, you jump out of the system or hug the POS.. At least we're fighting outnumberd... nuff said Just becuase you have fewer members in your alliance does not mean you are fighting outnumbered. You think we are all sat in one system? You guys never engage by choice unless you have an advantage in terms of ship types or numbers, same as us, same as everyone else in the game, you just play the numbers game. EVE is like poker, you want to be successful in it long term you play the odds. Please don't try to portray yorselves as some kind of master pvpers fighting some rebel struggle here. Everytime I have gone looking for fights with AAA its nearly always a solo guy in a rifter/vigil or some big blob of BS. OH REALLY?? This was interesting.. Seems like your someones spy alt who have no clue about the action thats going on around in Catch, who just wanna show that he's an active member and fighting for the right cause! That is... TO BLOB THE WHOLE BLOBNIVERSE WITH TEH NUMBERS1464657567454!111 mmkey bye
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:36:00 - [179] Originally by: M1NeR Skill > blob. You mean: Exploiting lag at a POS > everything.
M1NeR Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 12:41:00 - [180] Edited by: M1NeR on 18/08/2006 12:44:57 Edited my last post so you can read it again Evelyn . And battle for E3 was not "forced" or something like that actually. You know... RAT lives for war so to say. Battle is both our beloved duty and greatest joy. So I can't say that any fight can be "forced" upon us, cause we meet any PvP challenge with real pleasure. And as the difficuly of the challenge grows, our exitement of it grows as well. Winning against all the odds is the greatest fun. 2Malachon: Quit with this lag thing already pls. It was the numbers you brought there that caused lag. Pretty simple. So stop it already. -------
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:01:00 - [181] Originally by: M1NeR 2Malachon: Quit with this lag thing already pls. It was the numbers you brought there that caused lag. Pretty simple. So stop it already. Like hell it was normal lag. I know you're a cheater, you know you're a cheater. You can deny it all you want cause you don't wanna know the truth. You cheat. We all saw the rifters, we all know about the BMs. And any doubt I may have had was erased at C-J a few weeks ago. Practically same situation, just as much in local at first, maybe even more. Lag? Maybe a minute, mostly less. Lag at E3-: 5 minutes+. You will always be known as one of those guys who feels the need to cheat at videogames. Congratulations. And its sad to be honest, because lets face it. You have probably some of the most skilled pilots out there and tons of experience at all kinds of PvP. In a lot of fights you don't have to cheat to win, and you probably don't cheat in most encounters. But by cheating on just a few locations at certain moments, with lag generation and login tactics, you have tainted your entire corp and alliance, and for as long as Eve will exist. Always to be known as cheaters...... very sad.
Creamster Xenobytes Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:01:00 - [182] Originally by: Malachon Draco You mean: Exploiting lag at a POS > everything. Hi to you propaganda victim, gutten morgen. No matter how much your leaders are mumbling about us exploiting lag it hasn't been confirmed by GM's, no warnings issued, all you got is a bunch of desperate alts chaining the same slogans over and over. Poor fixies followed the suit and tried blaming their loss and scouting failure on a logon trap, tough luck fellas, now we have enough forum warriors to deflect such attacks. Now bring in some really creative flaming. Go ___________ In LAG we trust
Malachon Draco eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:05:00 - [183] Originally by: Creamster Originally by: Malachon Draco You mean: Exploiting lag at a POS > everything. Hi to you propaganda victim, gutten morgen. No matter how much your leaders are mumbling about us exploiting lag it hasn't been confirmed by GM's, no warnings issued, all you got is a bunch of desperate alts chaining the same slogans over and over. Poor fixies followed the suit and tried blaming their loss and scouting failure on a logon trap, tough luck fellas, now we have enough forum warriors to deflect such attacks. Now bring in some really creative flaming. Go It wasn't confirmed by GMs so it wasn't cheating? LOL. Does that mean that if I shot a guy in the face and I didn't get caught I wasn't a murderer? I was in E3-, I was at the login trap. Bunch of cheaters, every last one of you. I don't need some 5 dollar an hour, underpaid, undereducated GM to tell me what a cheater is.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:19:00 - [184] malchon, where are your pills?! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.18 13:39:00 - [185] Op's post is considered trolling so, clickeh --- If it ain't orange, it ain't offical!


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