Why add resistances? Just reduce the HP by 66% or whatever.

Station Services: (-66% EHP)
-83% Shield HP
+50% shield resists

IHUBs and Stations: (-50% EHP)
-60% Shield and Armor HP
-50% Hull HP
+20% Shield and Armor Resists

SBUs: (-50% EHP)
-50% Shield, Armor and Hull HP

Let us know what you think!

Why add resistances? Just reduce the HP by 66% or whatever.

The increased resistances are intended to make it less time-intensive to repair structures and services.

It should probably be noted, this isn't 'fixing Sov'.

It's a stop gap measure.

Any less time on structure bashes can be put towards real anti goon content.... I mean fun... ;)

In b4 grrr goons

If you want to prepare people for being actively rewarded for doing things encourage them to defend sooner rather than later.

Give sov structures an inverse adapative armor hardener. High resists when a fleet first starts shooting but over time the resists go down a bit.

So start offIn terms of numbers, start an IHub off at 80% omni resist. For every 15 mins spent shooting it the resists that are being hit drop by 5% with a floor value of 60% resists after 1 hour. If the structure isn't shot for 15 mins then it regains full resists.

I do like the reduction in repair drudgery. EHP is EHP, it can be chewed through in bombers if need be and caps / supers can do it a lot faster. Bandaid solution for now.

The increased resistances are intended to make it less time-intensive to repair structures and services.

Honestly, I don't feel they need a tweak. It can be done in SBs quite effectively. I've done it maaaaannyy times. Sit back, talk to your buddies on voice and blow through ammo. Honsetly, with the number of people the big entities can field they should be able to do it if little ol' Red-headed-step-Region Providence can do it.

Hey everyone. One of the many smaller changes we have planned for Phoebe is a rebalance of the HP and resists of Sov Structures and Station Services.

In the medium-long term we are still committed to the idea that HP based objectives are a suboptimal way to swap control of sov infrastructure, but until we can transition to a new capture mechanism we want to reduce the amount of time that is needed for both shooting and repairing these objectives.

These changes are intended to go alongside the big changes coming to capital ship movement coming in Phoebe, which make large supercarrier fleets less convenient for grinding structure HP.

These changes are live on SISI now.

Station Services: (-66% EHP)
-83% Shield HP
+50% shield resists

IHUBs and Stations: (-50% EHP)
-60% Shield and Armor HP
-50% Hull HP
+20% Shield and Armor Resists

SBUs: (-50% EHP)
-50% Shield, Armor and Hull HP

Let us know what you think!

Provi just had to rep a station up from 1% structure, it was ... not fun. Like a week+ of repping not fun.

Any chance of taking a look at hull reps in the near future?

Provi just had to rep a station up from 1% structure, it was ... not fun. Like a week+ of repping not fun.

Any chance of taking a look at hull reps in the near future?

Please change the Stealth Bombers torp damage bonus to an equivalent rate of fire bonus to nerf siege bomber fleets and encourage actual gameplay.

The increased resistances are intended to make it less time-intensive to repair structures and services.

Let us know what you think!

Is this part of Phase 2 of the changes?

Edit: just read the rest of the post, these compromises are good and something a lot of people were fearing would not happen. While the patch times are significantly faster, a lot could happen between the patch windows.

I can't find Outposts listed resist profile. Where can I find that/does someone have it?

npc stations are there for ALL 2 enjoy

no one should be able to litter there

:)

Those are some pretty significant numbers - where did you get them, out of curiosity?

This is still not fixing the timers or the fact it's a single target. Now we will just have blobs of supers with nanos.

The ability to disable services so quickly might be problematic. Now the health of those services is such that they can be reasonably disabled by a medium sized dread fleet in under one cycle, say, halfway through a fight, preventing reinforcements if that stations was used for staging.

While an interesting tactic in and of itself, has CCP considered how this, and the "hobojamming" changes, affect the interaction between NPC stations for staging and using outposts.

Can we INCAP NPC 0.0 station services yet?

These are nice changes, and similar to what I have written about before. It will help smaller groups mess with SOV more then they can now, especially with the fatigue and other cap changes.

Good one CCP!

Please change the Stealth Bombers torp damage bonus to an equivalent rate of fire bonus to nerf siege bomber fleets and encourage actual gameplay.

i hear lots of goons saying this is good for small parties...

does that mean goons will be more likely to leave the swarm and make thier own little nest?

This change would be even better if you removed structure notification mails. Regardless of what others will reply to this suggest, I really would like a CCP reply on the topic and everyone would be highly interested in what you have to say about them.

Please don't disappoint us.

This change would be even better if you removed structure notification mails. Regardless of what others will reply to this suggest, I really would like a CCP reply on the topic and everyone would be highly interested in what you have to say about them.

Please don't disappoint us.

and reinforcement timers. so we can complexly avoid fights. *double facepalm*

This is good idea, currently there is to much out of game apps managing this.

They also could come distributed.

For example , lets create deployable.
"Communications Scrambler"
- 4h lifetime
- unable to scope
- around 20mil in materials
- you can drop more than 1 ( just to give possibility of keeping communications scrambled)

This structure can be deployed in system, only on Sun ( warp to 0)
If this structure is active in the system.
No emails about :
- new towers
- any attack
- sbu

is sent.
If this structure dies and there is not any new in the system - warning emails will be generated.
This will put very nice "meta" into the game.

Hey everyone. One of the many smaller changes we have planned for Phoebe is a rebalance of the HP and resists of Sov Structures and Station Services.

In the medium-long term we are still committed to the idea that HP based objectives are a suboptimal way to swap control of sov infrastructure, but until we can transition to a new capture mechanism we want to reduce the amount of time that is needed for both shooting and repairing these objectives.

These changes are intended to go alongside the big changes coming to capital ship movement coming in Phoebe, which make large supercarrier fleets less convenient for grinding structure HP.

These changes are live on SISI now.

Station Services: (-66% EHP)
-83% Shield HP
+50% shield resists

IHUBs and Stations: (-50% EHP)
-60% Shield and Armor HP
-50% Hull HP
+20% Shield and Armor Resists

SBUs: (-50% EHP)
-50% Shield, Armor and Hull HP

Let us know what you think!

This change would be even better if you removed structure notification mails*. Regardless of what others will reply to this suggest, I really would like a CCP reply on the topic and everyone would be highly interested in what you have to say about them.

Please don't disappoint us.

*this includes notifications or anything to find out such things via the API

I don't think decreasing srtucture EHP is a good idea (though adding resist and decreasing HP is good idea for repping them). The problem is that currently there are two roles of supers: grinding structures and hotdropping capitals. Jump nerfs take the second. The first is unaffected as you have time to prepare a regional invasion. With the EHP nerf, grinding structures in subcaps will be less of a problem so using supers can become completely redundant.

Have you considered that after these changes, why would anyone have a super? I mean, what is the designated role of them?

-50% EHP to SBU'S! YES! Resists instead of raw buffer HP to stations and i-hubs!

Holy ****, you guys are on a roll today.

I think that is really unnecessary. The removal of structure notifications will do just fine. No need to add some arbitrary hoop to jump through. Besides, if you have an object that can be at only one place in the system; all a defender has to do is just check the sun instead actually check on the assets at risk which could easily be more than just one per system.

Again, no structure notifications will work just fine.*

*I have no problem with the low on fuel POS notification.

Funny. I suggested that DOZEN times in the last 5 years, and every time the community attacked me as if that was the most idiotic Idea ever. Strange how the community clearly have no capability of analyse ideas for their own.

Hey everyone. One of the many smaller changes we have planned for Phoebe is a rebalance of the HP and resists of Sov Structures and Station Services.

In the medium-long term we are still committed to the idea that HP based objectives are a suboptimal way to swap control of sov infrastructure, but until we can transition to a new capture mechanism we want to reduce the amount of time that is needed for both shooting and repairing these objectives.

These changes are intended to go alongside the big changes coming to capital ship movement coming in Phoebe, which make large supercarrier fleets less convenient for grinding structure HP.

These changes are live on SISI now.

Station Services: (-66% EHP)
-83% Shield HP
+50% shield resists

IHUBs and Stations: (-50% EHP)
-60% Shield and Armor HP
-50% Hull HP
+20% Shield and Armor Resists

SBUs: (-50% EHP)
-50% Shield, Armor and Hull HP

Let us know what you think!

That said, the more I think about this idea the more I like it... I would exempt POSs from this change, they don't have anything to do with sov, and they're used in low sec. There are plenty of towers being managed in low sec but the owners don't necessarily want to live there.

Towers have big impact on sov, and whole point in removing or blocking this communicators is to force you live where you have assets.

In case of towers this can be very hard to change , as when you think about this you have many ways to detect that something is going on, as api provides information about :
- fuel left
- stront
- silo state.

Still disabling all attack notifications for towers could be good.
Even if you will be able to detect that tower is in RF , you will not know about this asap.

All SOV related notifications must go.
- sbu placement
- ihub/sbu attacked
- etc.

This will scale down nicely ability to manage AFK large amount of assets.

Death to structure shooting.

Instead I propose a new module.

Station Hacking device

Requires;
1 Highslot
1 PG
1 CPU
electronic warfare III
max 1 per ship
150km range

Upon activation starts an 8 hour capture timer, if the device is interrupted for any reason (warping off, ecm/damps) the timer resets. At the end of the timer the station and system flips to the hackers corp. Hacking devices do not stack.


Also;
IHUB upgrades can now be equipped on stations
Remove IHUBs, TCUs, and SBUs.

Enjoy the chaos.

So you want to move all sov conquest to a ships.
Ships that , unless are titans or supers , have very small ehp - and they can be killed very easily?

Or do you want 1 overtanked tech 3 cruiser on undock , being pumped for 8h by 300 man logistic fleet ?

Bad idea.

If you want to prepare people for being actively rewarded for doing things encourage them to defend sooner rather than later.

Give sov structures an inverse adapative armor hardener. High resists when a fleet first starts shooting but over time the resists go down a bit.

So start offIn terms of numbers, start an IHub off at 80% omni resist. For every 15 mins spent shooting it the resists that are being hit drop by 5% with a floor value of 60% resists after 1 hour. If the structure isn't shot for 15 mins then it regains full resists.

I do like the reduction in repair drudgery. EHP is EHP, it can be chewed through in bombers if need be and caps / supers can do it a lot faster. Bandaid solution for now.

love it

The next problem is going to be the easy damage projection.... A fleet of 250 nyx is going to zip timers sooo quick, just saying

reinforcement timers are shown system wide anyway... you would only need to enter system to see them.

That said, the more I think about this idea the more I like it... I would exempt POSs from this change, they dont have anything to do with sov, and they're used in low sec. There are plenty of towers being managed in low sec but the owners dont necessarily want to live there.

Sov is a different story though. If you cant be asked to check on your systems once a day then you arent really using them and shouldnt have them.

The next problem is going to be the easy damage projection.... A fleet of 250 nyx is going to zip timers sooo quick, just saying

+1 from me I think these are fairly well balanced changes. Please ignore the blather from the idiot sperging about notifications. So dumb I will just consider that off topic and let it die.

This change would be even better if you removed structure notification mails*. Regardless of what others will reply to this suggest, I really would like a CCP reply on the topic and everyone would be highly interested in what you have to say about them.

Please don't disappoint us.

*this includes notifications or anything to find out such things via the API

Perhaps one day you will be capable of not basing your opinion on a post based solely off the author and or the alliance they are in. Alas, today is not that day.

One cool thing I for see is bigger alliances stocking up carriers and dreads in stations why jump them? When all you have to do is fly to the stations with interceptors and undock with corp insure ships. It's a work around from jumping them all over...

--------->Long Distance Travel Changes

marlona your ideas are self-evidently dumb and would be mocked coming from anyone

you, however, base every reply you make on "dont believe the evil goons" and only go beyond that when you need to accuse someone of secretly being a goon because they're not in goonswarm

so the above coming from you is, uh, interesting

English must not be your first lang... picture it out for you sir.


You fly to the station with your interceptor... cover 50 jumps in few mins...

Next alliance can easy hand out carriers stock pilled up all over 20 stations easy since you can corp ensure them.

Station A (100) carriors and (50) Dreads.

the distance between them is 50 or so light years.

Station B (250) carriors and (100) Dreads.


NO PROBLEM FLY INTERLOPERS TO THEM! maybe better then death cloning haha...

Problem can be fix with gear from HIC to stop them in their tracks by gate campers

regardless of what others will suggest, i would really like a ccp response on my idea that you should be prohibited from undocking until you have played eve barbie for at least one hour that day

please don't disappoint, i insist on responses to my ideas that are self-evidently stupid. also please don't read the responses from people who point out the gaping flaws in my idea

thanks

marlona your ideas are self-evidently dumb and would be mocked coming from anyone

you, however, base every reply you make on "dont believe the evil goons" and only go beyond that when you need to accuse someone of secretly being a goon because they're not in goonswarm

so the above coming from you is, uh, interesting

Now add npc-space to all 0,0 regions and youre doing something right

What about Jump bridges, cyno beacons and cyno jammers?

Giving JBs armor resists and nerfing their armor HP would be nice.

It should probably be noted, this isn't 'fixing Sov'.

It's a stop gap measure.

The whole point of these changes is that the "big entities" should not be the only ones with the ability to hold SOV

As much as I love that it will take me half as long to grind back 18 rental regions next time someone disbands, I think this might be a little overboard.

It takes 4 Triage niddy's* to 1-cycle triage rep a station from 0-25%. 2 to get it to 13%** (13%= the magic number if you kill the SBUs, as the recharge time brings it back to 25% before new sbus can come online)

6 Moroses to kill an SBU in 1 cycle.

What this means is I can have 10 dudes in dictors bubbling your fleet on titan/station/gates and if they can keep you pinned/delayed for 5 minutes I've saved the system. It also means I only need 10-16 caps to save almost any system in 5 minutes (1 set of 6 dreads per SBU required to get it under 50% control, 1-2 gate system=1 sbu to kill, 3-4 gate=2 sbus to kill. Most systems don't have more than 4 gates).

Toss on insurance, and even if you get past our dictors and manage to kill the caps, we've lost ~15bil, which is fairly trivial for any alliance holding null space currently. Add in if we do lose 1 16 man cap group, we still have 2 more timers to do this on.

This also means the number of capital caches I need per region are greatly decreased, as we can pack 50 caps into a central staging system, being able to simultaneously take care of 3-5 timers with ease.

Gotta say good work on most of the stuff so far CCP, but if I can find a way to abuse this in under an hour far smarter people than I have a much better/more efficient way already figured out.

*Note: Triage niddy=4 rep suicide fit(no tank all cap recharge) w/ tengu links for rep time calculation. 7-8 'standard' triage chimeras(3x rep 1x energy) will also 1-cycle rep a station 0-25%
**13% may not be the 'magic-number' post change, depending on recharge times/etc math **** I don't care to work out

As time goes on, the 'big' entities you speak of should shrink considerably. They will not be so 'big' later. I suppose it really depends on how much effort us players put into forcing those 'big' guys to shrink. At least CCP is now giving us an opportunity to do so, whereas we really had none before.

It will not be easy, for sure. Those big guys will go down kicking and screaming. But we CAN do it. And much more easily if a number of us are taking bites off the donut from different directions. But it is going to be lots of fun.

CCP Greyscale: Putting the Phun in Phoebe.

Yeah.. well.. let me know how that goes for you. Yes you may be able to take sove in a system they dont care about. Will it be hard for them to take it back? no.. so is it worth trying to hold sov if your small? NO

We could also think about JB for FW militia , and only FW milita in lowsec ?

Why? We like having fights instead.

I agree with your assessment. I think CCP is hoping this will spread fights out it will.

It will make it easy to fight on many fronts for small populated areas, but for more important systems nothing will change.