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DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
1082
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Posted - 2014.10.10 23:44:00 -
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Thead Enco wrote:Nexted up on deck, "Modular POS's"
I shall welcome any form of pos overhaul
OMG Comet Mining idea!!! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=331766 |
Praetor Siderium
CRIMMSEN
10
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Posted - 2014.10.11 00:50:00 -
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Xavier Holtzman wrote:Darmok, his feet in the sand.
You win the internets for the day. |
Satisfry
Tribal Liberation Force
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:15:00 -
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If the only reason for the 24 hour skill-queue was to force people to log in (who didn't want to) and annoy them every day.... it says a lot |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
794
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:26:00 -
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Harrison Tato wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I was here back when there wasn't even such a thing as a skill queue. If you wanted a skill when the first one finished, you damn well came back to your PC and set the next one! Or you did without! Setting skill training was a skill in itself, and it took planning and dedication. If you weren't up to it, that was your problem. That's what separated the men from the boys. That's how we paid our dues back then.
But now, it's "I'll just set an infinite queue and go back to thumbing my little smart phone, little spoiled candy ass that I am." Well, I for one will be watching this next generation of players who grow up in this mommy-coddling environment. You want to be in my club, you prove that you're tough enough to be in it! It's all going to hell in a hand basket, I tell you. Heck, when I started playing you had to build a microprocessor out of sand before you could start doing anything! Kids these days with their stupid little ironic 1950's hats and girl jeans.
When I started playing there were no network protocols. I duct taped a copper wire into a rock and morse coded 1s and 0s with a stick to log in.
So there.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon |
San Ghasha
881
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Posted - 2014.10.11 01:49:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote: You want to be in my club, you prove that you're tough enough to be in it! It's all going to hell in a hand basket, I tell you.
I do not understand how logging on to add a skill to a queue constitutes toughness?
+ä+¦+ä+º+à +¦+ä+è+â+à |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
5735
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:41:00 -
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Satisfry wrote:If the only reason for the 24 hour skill-queue was to force people to log in (who didn't want to) and annoy them every day.... it says a lot
People just logging in for the sake of training skills is the intellectual equivalent of flying around the world just for the sake of racking up frequent flyer miles.
IB4 qq'ing as a result of no one actually playing the game, skilling into battleships because they think they're leet high-skilled players with the biggest ships, then dying in hoards because they don't know anything about the game.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Alexa de'Crux
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
23
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:45:00 -
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Xavier Holtzman wrote:Darmok, his feet in the sand.
Jalad, his face lined with concern. |
Satisfry
Tribal Liberation Force
0
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:49:00 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Satisfry wrote:If the only reason for the 24 hour skill-queue was to force people to log in (who didn't want to) and annoy them every day.... it says a lot People just logging in for the sake of training skills is the intellectual equivalent of flying around the world just for the sake of racking up frequent flyer miles. IB4 qq'ing as a result of no one actually playing the game, skilling into battleships because they think they're leet high-skilled players with the biggest ships, then dying in hoards because they don't know anything about the game. Seriously, does anyone play games for the sake of playing games anymore, or is it just for the digital 'rewards' they can get?
It's one thing, if it's in your opinion, stupid for the person.
It's another if you think it's stupid for a business to reject 'stupid' customers, or just those with other motivations, for whatever reason they have. Like travel ect.
Here is a post I made a day ago or so
Satisfry wrote:I accidentally bought ~500 dollars worth of PLEX off Amazon. So, was feeling quite bad about that... Decided to use almost all of it on subscription time. So now I can plug in skills until 2017. Also have some ISK to buy the skills with.
I think it will turn out well in the end, it gives me a reason to keep up with the game, also gives me a reason to just play SkillQueueOnline for a long time because there's almost no point in logging in as I've played this game in the past.
Because this turned out pretty well for me, I would suggest others try it. As I've said I've played this game before but always unsubbed because it became too boring to justify the subscription... but at the same time, it kept me from training skills hard enough so that the game could at one point not be boring (possibly)
Either way, the 3 year project character on this account's skill sheet is starting to look pretty. |
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
3590
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Posted - 2014.10.11 02:55:00 -
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Glathull wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I was here back when there wasn't even such a thing as a skill queue. If you wanted a skill when the first one finished, you damn well came back to your PC and set the next one! Or you did without! Setting skill training was a skill in itself, and it took planning and dedication. If you weren't up to it, that was your problem. That's what separated the men from the boys. That's how we paid our dues back then.
But now, it's "I'll just set an infinite queue and go back to thumbing my little smart phone, little spoiled candy ass that I am." Well, I for one will be watching this next generation of players who grow up in this mommy-coddling environment. You want to be in my club, you prove that you're tough enough to be in it! It's all going to hell in a hand basket, I tell you. Heck, when I started playing you had to build a microprocessor out of sand before you could start doing anything! Kids these days with their stupid little ironic 1950's hats and girl jeans. When I started playing there were no network protocols. I duct taped a copper wire into a rock and morse coded 1s and 0s with a stick to log in. So there.
Yeah? Well when I started playing, Britney was hot and Jessica hadn't even worn a Daisy Duke's yet. Much less lost 200 lbs. What to say to that?
"Were [sic] not your monkey and so what?"-á -The Sex Pistols (2006) |
Remiel Pollard
Shockwave Innovations
Surely You're Joking
5735
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:00:00 -
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Satisfry wrote:
It's another if you think it's stupid for a business to reject 'stupid' customers, or just those with other motivations, for whatever reason they have. Like travel ect.
I never said they should hold back stupid players from playing the game. If they did that, we wouldn't have you to entertain us. On the contrary, more people will quit EVE as a result of Skilltraining Online, not actually learning the game and then losing a billion isk something on their first day of actual gameplay than they would if they were actually playing and learning the game. I understand that people still do that now, but at least now the chance exists that on one of their daily skillqueue logins, they might undock and play with something, or chat to someone in local and join a corp, etc.
IMO, it's a bad idea what they're doing, but as I've said before, EVE is only one of dozens of games I play. I won't be upset if it crashes and burns. It probably won't over this, but with this change, the chances of it happening increase.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104 |
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6753
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Posted - 2014.10.11 03:13:00 -
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CCP needs subs.
A sub is a sub, so dammit, we're going to have to cater to those who want to pay for a sub and not play no matter how much we might fear their not playing affects the price of dairy products in EVE.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'. |
Suz1
Nuclear Enterprises
3
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:05:00 -
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From a purely business perspective, an MMO's ideal customer pays for a subscription every month, and never logs on. |
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
885
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Posted - 2014.10.11 04:26:00 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Glathull wrote:Harrison Tato wrote:Khergit Deserters wrote:I was here back when there wasn't even such a thing as a skill queue. If you wanted a skill when the first one finished, you damn well came back to your PC and set the next one! Or you did without! Setting skill training was a skill in itself, and it took planning and dedication. If you weren't up to it, that was your problem. That's what separated the men from the boys. That's how we paid our dues back then.
But now, it's "I'll just set an infinite queue and go back to thumbing my little smart phone, little spoiled candy ass that I am." Well, I for one will be watching this next generation of players who grow up in this mommy-coddling environment. You want to be in my club, you prove that you're tough enough to be in it! It's all going to hell in a hand basket, I tell you. Heck, when I started playing you had to build a microprocessor out of sand before you could start doing anything! Kids these days with their stupid little ironic 1950's hats and girl jeans. When I started playing there were no network protocols. I duct taped a copper wire into a rock and morse coded 1s and 0s with a stick to log in. So there. Yeah? That's pretty good. But when I started playing, Britney was hot and their weren't even any Walmart photos of her yet. And Jessica hadn't even put on a Daisy Duke's. And as for losing 150 lbs--she hadn't even gained 10 of them yet. What do you say to that?
Yeah, well I was there when Al Gore invented the internet. We tried to Pete Townshend a Model M, but the damn thing ended up just PRINTing LINE 60 instead.
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flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2520
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Posted - 2014.10.11 09:24:00 -
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Suz1 wrote:From a purely business perspective, an MMO's ideal customer pays for a subscription every month, and never logs on.
You forgot 'and doesn't complain' wich is the most important aspect to get an ideal customer and this change is gonna have the opposite effect as a lot of non-playing plex-subbing vets will still be hoovering over the forums .
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10803
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Posted - 2014.10.11 09:36:00 -
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Suz1 wrote:From a purely business perspective, an MMO's ideal customer pays for a subscription every month, and never logs on. Glad you don't run EVE....
... because from a pure business perspective ...
... the ideal EVE player is one who creates most content that costs least processing power ...
... and generates the most news, which translates into more subscriptions.
Not all points are doable at the same time.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Dave Stark
7055
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:03:00 -
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if you only log in to update skills and haven't already quit, this change won't make you quit.
stop being so over dramatic. |
Elinarien
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
33
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:23:00 -
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When reading this thread why am I reminded of Monty Python's Four Yorkshire Men? |
flakeys
Arkham Innovations
2522
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:30:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:if you only log in to update skills and haven't already quit, this change won't make you quit.
stop being so over dramatic.
Don't think anyone mentioned they would quit over this , they -including me- stated they wouldn't need to log in any more , well allmost.I don't see anyone stating that it is a bad thing in general either ... just people talking about their personal effect this would have.Stop being so over dramatic dave  .
Lol , quitting eve ... don't be so absurd 
We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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Gerald Mardiska
Black Water Oasis
15
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:50:00 -
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THANK YOU CCP, now if you dont mind me asking what about moar space :D |
Bruce Kemp
IMORTALS
120
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Posted - 2014.10.11 10:50:00 -
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Mag's wrote:flakeys wrote:Well , there goes my last reason to log in every now and then .... wish i was joking ....  Pretty much my position atm. Not even sure I'm renewing next year tbh. Certain issues have yet to be resolved in game.
Ya, like Rancer
-áIf people played EVE as much as they posted rubbish on these forums, they might enjoy the game.
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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:02:00 -
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uuuh guys?
You understood that to queue a skill, you still need to fullfill the requirements?
You can not put "Heavy Missile specialisation" into queue if you do not have "heavy missiles" skilled to 5.
Forum:
DEV says "change" and forum cries start before the things are understood.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10804
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:20:00 -
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La Rynx wrote:uuuh guys?
You understood that to queue a skill, you still need to fullfill the requirements?
You can not put "Heavy Missile specialisation" into queue if you do not have "heavy missiles" skilled to 5.
You still cannot even inject it.
Forum:
DEV says "change" and forum cries start before the things are understood. Maybe you should have properly read through the thread first ...
... because what you say doesn't really apply.
And when you say "forum" it shows that you do not understand that "forum"
as much as "people" is used wrongly in 90% of the cases, because lots of people are rather daft.
Read through the thread again ... check all the other threads ...
... and you will notice that you're seriously far off.
I would suggest some time off,
because you show signs of instaresponding.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Dave Stark
7056
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:37:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if you only log in to update skills and haven't already quit, this change won't make you quit.
stop being so over dramatic. Don't think anyone mentioned they would quit over this , they -including me- stated they wouldn't need to log in any more , well allmost.I don't see anyone stating that it is a bad thing in general either ... just people talking about their personal effect this would have.Stop being so over dramatic dave . Lol , quitting eve ... don't be so absurd
Mag's wrote:flakeys wrote:Well , there goes my last reason to log in every now and then .... wish i was joking .... Pretty much my position atm. Not even sure I'm renewing next year tbh. Certain issues have yet to be resolved in game.
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Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10805
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:45:00 -
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flakeys wrote:Don't think anyone mentioned they would quit over this
Mag's wrote:Pretty much my position atm. Not even sure I'm renewing next year tbh. Certain issues have yet to be resolved in game.
Dave ... Mag's did not say that he quits over this. He says that he lost the last reason to log in
and that he's thinking of not renewing his sub ... which is because of other issues that are not yet resolved.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Beledia Ilphukiir
Proffessional Experts Group
43
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:47:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:flakeys wrote:Dave Stark wrote:if you only log in to update skills and haven't already quit, this change won't make you quit.
stop being so over dramatic. Don't think anyone mentioned they would quit over this , they -including me- stated they wouldn't need to log in any more , well allmost.I don't see anyone stating that it is a bad thing in general either ... just people talking about their personal effect this would have.Stop being so over dramatic dave . Lol , quitting eve ... don't be so absurd Mag's wrote:flakeys wrote:Well , there goes my last reason to log in every now and then .... wish i was joking .... Pretty much my position atm. Not even sure I'm renewing next year tbh. Certain issues have yet to be resolved in game.
Doesn't seem like either of them are quitting over this change. They're quitting over other unrelated reasons and are just stating now they won't even have to log in for skill changing. |
Dave Stark
7056
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:48:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote: he's thinking of not renewing his sub
so, the definition of quitting. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10806
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:53:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Solecist Project wrote: he's thinking of not renewing his sub
so, the definition of quitting. But not for the reason you were talking about.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10806
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:54:00 -
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Beledia Ilphukiir wrote:Doesn't seem like either of them are quitting over this change. They're quitting over other unrelated reasons and are just stating now they won't even have to log in for skill changing. Please don't try to cloud Dave's mind with facts. *snickers xD*
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
Dave Stark
7056
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Posted - 2014.10.11 11:55:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Beledia Ilphukiir wrote:Doesn't seem like either of them are quitting over this change. They're quitting over other unrelated reasons and are just stating now they won't even have to log in for skill changing. Please don't try to cloud Dave's mind with facts. *snickers xD*
considering he didn't cite a single reason, and this thread is about one topic.
he's either just whining for the sake of whining. or he's actually considering quitting over these changes. regardless, he's being over dramatic. |
Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
10806
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Posted - 2014.10.11 12:04:00 -
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No, he's not considering quitting over these changes ...
... he's considering quitting over the lack of specific changes he desires.
I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked.
New capsuleer in need of money? You hope there is more you can do
than mining or being a slave to an agent? THERE IS! Send me a mail! |
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