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Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.16 03:15:00 - [31] Yes, because it's been called a planet for so long that even if it ends up not fitting the definition we should all still call it a planet because of it's cool name. And in related matters, "Planemos" is a profoundly stupid word. Shame on NASA for coining such an astrocity. The new BFG.
Jon Engel APEX Unlimited Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.16 05:53:00 - [32] Id rather a lively debate on how to turn Jupiter into a small star so we can colonize the moons, but. Who realy cares what they call it. Id argue against calling Phobos and Deimos moons, but they are called Moons, despite them being rogue asteroids that got caught in Mars' Orbit. Anyhow, whats in classification anyhow? Its not like it matters to us here. Till we start spreading out amongst the stars theres no real reason to get classification of celestial bodies down to a patent. Who says where gonna make it past this global warming fiasco anyhow.
Harkwyth Mist Caldari The Black Ops	Posted - 2006.08.16 07:47:00 - [33] guys i'm reading this at 8am and as far as i'm concerned its waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to early for this. besides who cares in a few million years the sun will expand evelop,.. envelup,... absorb the planet and we'll all die anyway Harkwyth its to early for cheery views Harkwyth Designs: Personalized Sigature Design
Peter McGregor	Posted - 2006.08.16 08:06:00 - [34] Edited by: Peter McGregor on 16/08/2006 08:07:03 Originally by: Bhaal Sure, blame it on us Americans, we cause all of the problems... America was very late in the Astronomy game cause we're only 230 years old, a youngin compared to the rest of you "guys". But I don't care who discovers what, as long as it's cataloged properly... Dear Bhaal, you misunderstood my intentions. I wasn't trying to bash Americans or anyone else (maybe except Pluto and Xena ;) ). I was just stating the fact - American astronomers have been blocking the demotion of Pluto for years. I'm not judging that at all, simply stating the fact. And I apologise if I offended you or any other American - it wasn't my intention.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 08:38:00 - [35] Originally by: Dr Happy Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Krandor87 Both Pluto and Xena have an atmosphere. therefore they should be planets and as for orbit all orbits are eliptical so the fact that Pluto can be closer than Neptune means nothing. Titan has an atmosphere, therefore it should be a planet. And if you're going to argue that Titan is eliminated because it orbits another planet: Halley's Comet has an atmosphere, therefore it should be a planet. Try again. These things are never as easy as you think. yes but titan is orbiting an object other then are sun eer well has an object exerting it's primary gravitational pull You didn't read the last three-quarters of my post, did you? If you're going to argue that Titan is eliminated because it orbits another planet, fine, but you can't apply that to Halley's Comet. Kurren argues that Halley's Comet doesn't orbit anything, which is both false, and ridiculous. If it wasn't in orbit, it would've passed through the solar system once and vanished for ever more. It's a small, icy body with an atmosphere and a highly elliptical orbit. What was Pluto again? ....oh yes ... it's a small, icy body with an atmosphere and a highly elliptical orbit. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 10:15:00 - [36] Pluto Proposal I certainly hope this doesn't pass... I don't agree with it at all... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Peter McGregor	Posted - 2006.08.16 11:47:00 - [37] Originally by: Bhaal Pluto Proposal I certainly hope this doesn't pass... I don't agree with it at all... A few well aimed Citadel Torpedoes should do the trick. Too bad that the Solar system is unreachable from EVE star cluster :(
Velsharoon Gallente Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:16:00 - [38] Originally by: Bhaal Pluto Proposal I certainly hope this doesn't pass... I don't agree with it at all... Yeh i feel the same way :/ your gonna end up with systems with hundreds of planets, but then again is that an intrinsically bad thing or just us going onoes
Norvys Kerens Gallente Terror Knights	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:23:00 - [39] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Kollgorholl Charon is not a moon, It does not orbit Pluto, rather Charon and Pluto orbit one another around a central point in between the two objects. Charon just gets called a moon cause its the smaller of the two. And, quoting but changing the location: Originally by: Kollgorholl The Moon is not a moon, It does not orbit Earth, rather the Moon and Earth orbit one another around a central point in between the two objects. The Moon just gets called a moon cause its the smaller of the two. I think we can knock that idea on the head now. You're wrong: "Charon has been a part of the controversy over Pluto's status as a planet. Under the latest proposal, which will be decided on August 24, 2006, the International Astronomical Union may classify Charon as a pluton, officially making Charon a planet. Under this proposal, Charon would be considered a binary planet with Pluto since the two orbit each other around a center of mass that is outside either body" This is not a situation shared by the Earth and the Moon, the is no external gravitational point in between the Earth and our moon there is gravity generated by the moon and gravity generated by Earth. ______________________________________ Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster. And if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes into you.
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:25:00 - [40] Edited by: Wild Rho on 16/08/2006 12:27:18 Originally by: Velsharoon Yeh i feel the same way :/ your gonna end up with systems with hundreds of planets, but then again is that an intrinsically bad thing or just us going onoes That's what I was wondering. Why exactly do people think the solar system "suddenly" having more planets is such a bad thing exactly? It's like some people are scared to update the model of our solar system. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 12:36:00 - [41] I mean, Ceres becoming a planet as well is just a joke... A planet should be defined on the basis in which it was formed, not based on any arbitrary size, shape, gravitational pull at it's surface, distance from the star, etc... A Planet to me, is a celestial body which formed from the accretion disk, has/had a molten core, formed layers and cooled all the while orbiting the parent star. Ceres is left over junk that did not make it into a planet's formation, it's NOT a planet. Pluto is a large chunk of ICE, and oversized comet that was knocked into orbit about the sun, and it took a few other chunks of ICE with it, or those chunks of ICE were from a subsequent collision. (Charon & company) I don't believe ICE is part of the accretion disk (could be wrong), so calling these things Kuiper belt objects or Plutons is fine with me. Calling them planets is NOT! If Pluto did indeed form like the other planets, and was knocked into itÆs irregular orbit by a collision, then yes, itÆs a planetà ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
kessah Caldari Blood Corsairs	Posted - 2006.08.16 14:20:00 - [42] Originally by: Bhaal I mean, Ceres becoming a planet as well is just a joke... A planet should be defined on the basis in which it was formed, not based on any arbitrary size, shape, gravitational pull at it's surface, distance from the star, etc... A Planet to me, is a celestial body which formed from the accretion disk, has/had a molten core, formed layers and cooled all the while orbiting the parent star. Ceres is left over junk that did not make it into a planet's formation, it's NOT a planet. Pluto is a large chunk of ICE, and oversized comet that was knocked into orbit about the sun, and it took a few other chunks of ICE with it, or those chunks of ICE were from a subsequent collision. (Charon & company) I don't believe ICE is part of the accretion disk (could be wrong), so calling these things Kuiper belt objects or Plutons is fine with me. Calling them planets is NOT! If Pluto did indeed form like the other planets, and was knocked into itÆs irregular orbit by a collision, then yes, itÆs a planetà i agree with that, sounds like a good rule of thumb. -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate
Zaldiri Caldari Automated Industries	Posted - 2006.08.16 15:47:00 - [43] The real question is: why are people getting sent to a massive expensive conference to debate a question which has absolutly no impact on anything? ----------------------------------------------- Admiral of King Frieza's Super Saiyan fleet.
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 16:54:00 - [44] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 16:56:19 Originally by: Zaldiri The real question is: why are people getting sent to a massive expensive conference to debate a question which has absolutly no impact on anything? Well, in the near future we will be discovering many more planets, and also being able to detect every planet in those solar systems, as opposed to just the gas giants... I think this needs to be cleaned up before we start cataloging & classifying those objects... I guess if you're not interested, it does not affect you in any way... Besides, no matter what your field of study or job is, there are massive expensive conferences all over the damn place that affect you less than this one... I wish I could be at that conference to hear the arguments... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
PKlavins Caldari 3rdlane Industries	Posted - 2006.08.16 18:01:00 - [45] right...opinion time... personally i dont think pluto should be a planet. but if they are considering making pluto and charon 'binary planets' wat does it make the other moons of pluto? as for 'xena', once they change that horrific name, sure it can be a planet, its bigger than pluto for one thing. this is very interesting indeed...the outcome of this will most likely change our perception of the solar system greatly... I make sigs/banners 5mill each, convo/evemail for details
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:27:00 - [46] Originally by: Bhaal Pluto Proposal I certainly hope this doesn't pass... I don't agree with it at all... To be honest I don't think it's any bad thing. Pluto and its ilk will officially be "plutons" which will be a class of planets. Within a few decades, nobody will even consider plutons to be planets, they'll be two different classes of objects. The number of planets will be fixed at eight - permanently unless there's one half a light year out that remains to be discovered. Incidentally, you mentioned molten cores. You do know that'd rule out Mars? ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:28:00 - [47] Originally by: Norvys Kerens Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Kollgorholl Charon is not a moon, It does not orbit Pluto, rather Charon and Pluto orbit one another around a central point in between the two objects. Charon just gets called a moon cause its the smaller of the two. And, quoting but changing the location: Originally by: Kollgorholl The Moon is not a moon, It does not orbit Earth, rather the Moon and Earth orbit one another around a central point in between the two objects. The Moon just gets called a moon cause its the smaller of the two. I think we can knock that idea on the head now. You're wrong: "Charon has been a part of the controversy over Pluto's status as a planet. Under the latest proposal, which will be decided on August 24, 2006, the International Astronomical Union may classify Charon as a pluton, officially making Charon a planet. Under this proposal, Charon would be considered a binary planet with Pluto since the two orbit each other around a center of mass that is outside either body" This is not a situation shared by the Earth and the Moon, the is no external gravitational point in between the Earth and our moon there is gravity generated by the moon and gravity generated by Earth. Please note that August 26th hasn't happened yet. I won't be wrong until it does, and if this change goes through, I won't be quoting the above any more anyway because it won't be true any more. At THIS POINT, what I said is true. Both Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon are pairs of objects which revolve about their mutual centre of gravity, and that point is a hell of a lot further from the centre of Earth than it is from the centre of Pluto. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:28:00 - [48] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Dr Happy Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Krandor87 Both Pluto and Xena have an atmosphere. therefore they should be planets and as for orbit all orbits are eliptical so the fact that Pluto can be closer than Neptune means nothing. Titan has an atmosphere, therefore it should be a planet. And if you're going to argue that Titan is eliminated because it orbits another planet: Halley's Comet has an atmosphere, therefore it should be a planet. Try again. These things are never as easy as you think. yes but titan is orbiting an object other then are sun eer well has an object exerting it's primary gravitational pull You didn't read the last three-quarters of my post, did you? If you're going to argue that Titan is eliminated because it orbits another planet, fine, but you can't apply that to Halley's Comet. Kurren argues that Halley's Comet doesn't orbit anything, which is both false, and ridiculous. If it wasn't in orbit, it would've passed through the solar system once and vanished for ever more. It's a small, icy body with an atmosphere and a highly elliptical orbit. What was Pluto again? ....oh yes ... it's a small, icy body with an atmosphere and a highly elliptical orbit. Yes, but Pluto orbits our sun. Hailey's Comet passes through our solar system once every few years. There is a difference (or maybe the name calling decided to get in the way of noticing that). Yes, Hailey's Comet has an orbit. What does it orbit? Nothing in particular. The galaxy... a few solar systems... it has no real celestial object that it calls home. Pluto has our sun. HoI'm not quite sure why that point was deemed rediculous... unless you think I was implying that there's a giant hand holding Hailey's Comet's yoyo string. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:46:00 - [49] Edited by: Bhaal on 16/08/2006 20:46:56 Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Bhaal Pluto Proposal I certainly hope this doesn't pass... I don't agree with it at all... To be honest I don't think it's any bad thing. Pluto and its ilk will officially be "plutons" which will be a class of planets. Within a few decades, nobody will even consider plutons to be planets, they'll be two different classes of objects. The number of planets will be fixed at eight - permanently unless there's one half a light year out that remains to be discovered. Incidentally, you mentioned molten cores. You do know that'd rule out Mars? Mars had a molten core at some point in it's history, that's what I meant... Plutons is fine with me, but they should not be a class of planet, instead should be a class of celestial body... A step or two below planets IMO... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 20:59:00 - [50] Originally by: Bhaal Plutons is fine with me, but they should not be a class of planet, instead should be a class of celestial body... A step or two below planets IMO... Totally agree. My point is that, within a few years, that will effectively be the case. Plutons will not be considered equal with planets for very long. Even officially, I just don't see that holding water. Give it half a century and they'll put it right. It'd be nice if they'd got it right in the first place, but I'll settle for this. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:01:00 - [51] Originally by: Kurren Yes, but Pluto orbits our sun. Hailey's Comet passes through our solar system once every few years. There is a difference (or maybe the name calling decided to get in the way of noticing that). Yes, Hailey's Comet has an orbit. What does it orbit? Nothing in particular. The galaxy... a few solar systems... it has no real celestial object that it calls home. Pluto has our sun. HoI'm not quite sure why that point was deemed rediculous... unless you think I was implying that there's a giant hand holding Hailey's Comet's yoyo string. No, it was deemed ridiculous because Halley's Comet orbits the Sun, and you are completely and utterly wrong. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Bhaal Minmatar M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.16 21:07:00 - [52] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Bhaal Plutons is fine with me, but they should not be a class of planet, instead should be a class of celestial body... A step or two below planets IMO... Totally agree. My point is that, within a few years, that will effectively be the case. Plutons will not be considered equal with planets for very long. Even officially, I just don't see that holding water. Give it half a century and they'll put it right. It'd be nice if they got it right in the first place, but I'll settle for this. Probably right, but I'd just like to see them get it right this time, because if they go that direction, you'll have some ppl saying we have 100 planets in our solar system, and then the arguments that Plutons & large asteriods are not true planets, blah blah blah for the next 50 years... ------------------------------------------------ Current Hobby other than EVE My Hero
Lord Aradon Caldari Dark Assassins	Posted - 2006.08.17 07:48:00 - [53] It's a planet because it's planetoid in shape, has a moon, follows a strict (if dodgy orbit) around the sun, and is not part of a belt The latest news should have all you guys up in arms, the scientists now plan on expanding the solar system by another 2 "planets" after finding 2 blocks of ice smaller than pluto ---- Corp Websites\|My Gallery - Imaran
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.17 09:35:00 - [54] Originally by: Lord Aradon It's a planet because it's planetoid in shape, has a moon, follows a strict (if dodgy orbit) around the sun, and is not part of a belt It's part of the Kuiper belt. It wasn't clearly so at the time, because (1) they were expecting to find a planet and assumed it to be roughly the size of Neptune, and (2) they didn't even know the Kuiper belt existed. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:16:00 - [55] Edited by: Uther Doull on 17/08/2006 11:23:45 actually i think the proposed definition that an object is a planet if it has enough mass to be spherical is a good one. (and orbits a star obviously however i agree that we should draw a line somewhere and stop 'adding' planets to our solarsystem just say anything farther out then say pluto or neptune is not a significant part of our solar system. they may class as a planet, but just don't count them being part of our system
Uther Doull Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.17 11:23:00 - [56] Edited by: Uther Doull on 17/08/2006 11:23:17 double post
Buxaroo Black Dwarf	Posted - 2006.08.17 13:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Bhaal I mean, Ceres becoming a planet as well is just a joke... A planet should be defined on the basis in which it was formed, not based on any arbitrary size, shape, gravitational pull at it's surface, distance from the star, etc... A Planet to me, is a celestial body which formed from the accretion disk, has/had a molten core, formed layers and cooled all the while orbiting the parent star. Ceres is left over junk that did not make it into a planet's formation, it's NOT a planet. Pluto is a large chunk of ICE, and oversized comet that was knocked into orbit about the sun, and it took a few other chunks of ICE with it, or those chunks of ICE were from a subsequent collision. (Charon & company) I don't believe ICE is part of the accretion disk (could be wrong), so calling these things Kuiper belt objects or Plutons is fine with me. Calling them planets is NOT! If Pluto did indeed form like the other planets, and was knocked into itÆs irregular orbit by a collision, then yes, itÆs a planetà Agreed. Like I said earlier, to me Pluto is nothing more than a comet that got stuck in a semi-normal orbit about the sun.

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