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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 18:47:00 -
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Edited by: Murukan on 17/08/2006 18:47:28 nvm not going to take the bait
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Semkhet
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Vantras hmmm...scouting gates and using insta's with four or five active wars...
GUILTY AS CHARGED!
You got me! <confesses to the tactics>
Vantras
Well, such cautious approach of gates would be understandable in 0.0, but since I'am seeing this in Empire where we can't use bubbles nor interdiction spheres, I find it highly amusing.
Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.
But I'am not here to argue. See you on the field & good luck
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Solusar
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:02:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet Some believe that wars may be won on the forums, and others rely on what they see on the field.
Lately it's difficult to fly in CVA-claimed space without bumping in their cans.
It's even better when you whitness CVA & Co ships first warping at 100Km from gates, then warping out and landing back on the gate again using an insta. At this stage, seems that the only thing they did'n try yet is assigning a scouting covop to each of their ships...
If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure
Sorry who are you? Ive never seen you in space or over local comms and according to both Priory and CVA war statistics you have been involved in exactly zero combat? I presume you are one of the "Wars can be won on forums" camp then?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:11:00 -
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Edited by: Garreck on 17/08/2006 19:11:24
Originally by: Semkhet
Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.
Actually, anyone with mathematical flair understands that the ratio to your enemy doesn't matter a whit...the ratio to income is what does matter. In fact, anyone with mathematical flair will also realize that if our inferior number of kills is doing more damage to your income than your superior number of kills is doing to our income...it would be Priory who end up having to withdraw. (A hypothetical, of course. It's obvious that Priory are not hurting for cash.)
So far none of our enemies have made even an attempt on CVA's considerable financial might.
By all means, tell folks you're beating us on an isk killed/isk lost ratio. (I think right now both Priory and Omniscient Order can make such claims.) But you have come in here with a stated goal of rubbing out the CVA; you should understand that a superior kill ratio won't accomplish that for you.
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Vantras
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:16:00 -
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Originally by: Semkhet ...anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.
Oh my! Did you tell your allies TSDS this? I am not sure they are as certain of the mathematical certainty of thier demise as you seem to be. I suggest you mail them right now with this discovery!
Personally I dont think theyre going to collapse-im sorry to hear you do...being allies and all.
Vantras
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Hans Roaming
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.17 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Solusar
Originally by: Semkhet Some believe that wars may be won on the forums, and others rely on what they see on the field.
Lately it's difficult to fly in CVA-claimed space without bumping in their cans.
It's even better when you whitness CVA & Co ships first warping at 100Km from gates, then warping out and landing back on the gate again using an insta. At this stage, seems that the only thing they did'n try yet is assigning a scouting covop to each of their ships...
If CVA considers these ingame snapshots as a success, I would be delighted to know their definition of failure
Sorry who are you? Ive never seen you in space or over local comms and according to both Priory and CVA war statistics you have been involved in exactly zero combat? I presume you are one of the "Wars can be won on forums" camp then?
Wrecking shot!!!
When the staton near r3 doesn't have CVA above the door then it can be said they are being hammered, checking out gates to see if they are clear with hostiles in local isn't dumb if they don't want to get scrambled by you. When this ends CVA will either be in low sec Domain and Providence or they will have been ousted, until then it's just so much noise on the forums either way.
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maGz
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: maGz on 17/08/2006 20:17:29
Originally by: Garreck Edited by: Garreck on 17/08/2006 19:11:24
Originally by: Semkhet
Concerning CVA's capacity to replace lost ships, anyone with a bit of mathematical flair would understand that as long you consistenly suffer a negative ratio concerning the proportion of lost ships to your foes, it's only a matter of time untill the attrition deploys a cumulative effect.
Actually, anyone with mathematical flair understands that the ratio to your enemy doesn't matter a whit...the ratio to income is what does matter. In fact, anyone with mathematical flair will also realize that if our inferior number of kills is doing more damage to your income than your superior number of kills is doing to our income...it would be Priory who end up having to withdraw. (A hypothetical, of course. It's obvious that Priory are not hurting for cash.)
So far none of our enemies have made even an attempt on CVA's considerable financial might.
By all means, tell folks you're beating us on an isk killed/isk lost ratio. (I think right now both Priory and Omniscient Order can make such claims.) But you have come in here with a stated goal of rubbing out the CVA; you should understand that a superior kill ratio won't accomplish that for you.
Although you're teh enemy; QFT.
Superior kill ratio's are nice to look at on killboards etc., however they will never result in the demise of an established alliance such as CVA. I personally am pleased with this, because if destroying ships was the only thing you had to do to destroy an alliance, EVE would be a boring game in the long run.
However I do believe we're getting a bit closer to our goal after receiving this earlier this evening regarding our mutual war that has been going on for about 1.5 weeks now:
2006.08.17 18:40 The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
Game on gents ________________
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EXZODIER
The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.17 20:41:00 -
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now hans we both know that the station aint gona fall i mean none of us in the bus have ever seen the way it can be done and we have no capital ships, so chances of seeing our name above the door on the 23rd of this month are very slim,
dont ya think ?
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:07:00 -
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Originally by: maGz 2006.08.17 18:40 The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
It would stand to reason that this has very much to do with Priory's own retraction of war from PIE today. An empire war is no longer neccessary to defend our allies. Where we go from here obviously depends on how badly Priory wants to see the CVA crushed.
Game on indeed.
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Xardrix
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 21:10:00 -
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Edited by: Xardrix on 17/08/2006 21:14:34 Edited by: Xardrix on 17/08/2006 21:14:16 ...beaten to the punch.
\o/ for no Empire Wars. My sec is slowly dying anyway.
Once a pirate... You know?
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maGz
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Garreck
Originally by: maGz 2006.08.17 18:40 The war between Curatores Veritatis Alliance and The Priory is coming to an end. Curatores Veritatis Alliance has retracted the war against The Priory. The war will be declared as being over after approximately 24 hours.
It would stand to reason that this has very much to do with Priory's own retraction of war from PIE today. An empire war is no longer neccessary to defend our allies. Where we go from here obviously depends on how badly Priory wants to see the CVA crushed.
Game on indeed.
Let me get this straight; you retract the war against us @ 18:40 today, because we retracted the war against PIE Inc. @ 20:33 today. Uhm... something smells fishy here ________________
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samba mk2
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:45:00 -
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what a load of u know what
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Hardin
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:50:00 -
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Speculate all you like... it's entertaining. ------------------------------ Hardin's Blog (BACK UP!)
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Al0ne
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 22:55:00 -
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Gotta love thier enthusiasm.
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Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Al0ne Gotta love thier enthusiasm.
We currently have every reason to be enthusiastic
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gusta
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:03:00 -
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I take it you guys didnt like a mutual war.
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Semkhet
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.17 23:04:00 -
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Funny how some people suffers the attention span of hamsters on amphetamines. Obviously reading alone doesen't lead to comprehension.
You say that it doesen't matter how many ships you loose as long your income isn't damaged. It is true and false at the same time depending on the choosen analytical depth. Where did you see me referring to the theorical isk loss related to ships destruction ?
In EVE like in RL, power is function of a triade formed by diplomacy, isk/ressources and military might. Diplomacy is the game of a few, isk/ressources depend upon more people, and military might is the job of many unless you systematically outsource your fights.
Since the ultimate mission of fleets is either to protect or expand influence and assets, unlinking the financing of military might with the quality of the fleet supposed to protect ressources by dismissing the significance of losses is IMHO unwise to say the least. Your statements could be interpreted as a lack of respect toward your members base, unless you want to pretend that every CVA player is billionaire...
What brings me logically to my initial remark: since when in Empire isn't an insta sufficient to safely leave a system ? What some failed to seize is the underlying mindset afflicting those who scout an Empire gate just before using an insta. Is this symptomatic of the reigning mood in CVA ? I don't know, time will tell
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 00:54:00 -
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Maybe you're just spending too much time watching jump gates. I hear the sheer boredom can drive you space-happy.
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Hakera
Minmatar Anari Higard
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Posted - 2006.08.18 01:29:00 -
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there are certain people in the CVA and friends who could for all intense purposes buy KIA/TSDS assets without breaking pocket change.
Saying that your having an impact on them is laughable at best other than providing them with experience. Eve as a game is designed so losses anyway are easily recovered. So even without their numerous rich benefactors within, they were unlikely to suffer at all and only on a short term scale at best.
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Murukan
Minmatar The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.18 04:17:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera there are certain people in the CVA and friends who could for all intense purposes buy KIA/TSDS assets without breaking pocket change.
Saying that your having an impact on them is laughable at best other than providing them with experience. Eve as a game is designed so losses anyway are easily recovered. So even without their numerous rich benefactors within, they were unlikely to suffer at all and only on a short term scale at best.
They are suffering enough to the point that they don't want a mutual war anymore. Scared much?
In rust we trust!!! |
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Hakera there are certain people in the CVA and friends who could for all intense purposes buy KIA/TSDS assets without breaking pocket change.
Saying that your having an impact on them is laughable at best other than providing them with experience. Eve as a game is designed so losses anyway are easily recovered. So even without their numerous rich benefactors within, they were unlikely to suffer at all and only on a short term scale at best.
They are suffering enough to the point that they don't want a mutual war anymore. Scared much?
We're testing to see if WW can find the dec button
Originally by: HippoKing Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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maGz
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.18 07:17:00 -
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Originally by: Redwolf
Originally by: Murukan
Originally by: Hakera there are certain people in the CVA and friends who could for all intense purposes buy KIA/TSDS assets without breaking pocket change.
Saying that your having an impact on them is laughable at best other than providing them with experience. Eve as a game is designed so losses anyway are easily recovered. So even without their numerous rich benefactors within, they were unlikely to suffer at all and only on a short term scale at best.
They are suffering enough to the point that they don't want a mutual war anymore. Scared much?
We're testing to see if WW can find the dec button
Don't worry... However why even retract the war then? Remember this is the OOC forum, so some lame excuse about you helped the friends of the Amarr Empire is bull. Everyone knows that we'll dec you again, so one have to wonder if you retracted just to push war-cost over on our side. Kinda ironic seeing as you've spent quite a while saying loss of isk isn't the way to destroy an entity
The speculations continue... ________________
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NurAbSal
Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 07:19:00 -
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Loss of isks wont destroy entity like CVA Magz, but i dont know about Priory :D
I am dedicated miner... I mine everyday - with my Tachyons...
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Redwolf
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.18 07:19:00 -
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Edited by: Redwolf on 18/08/2006 07:19:25
Originally by: maGz Kinda ironic seeing as you've spent quite a while saying loss of isk isn't the way to destroy an entity....
Well we went using any isk when you made it mutual.
Originally by: HippoKing Who cares if the game is coming up. Forums are back \o/
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EXZODIER
The Short Bus Squad The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:01:00 -
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when will people relise its not how much isk u ahve that wins a war - yes cva Migt have a lot of isk but thats good coz every time we kill them they drop more loot wich then gives us isk and as we kill a fair number of them our gain is far out doing our loss rember a BS only costs 30mil for insurance - then u have fitting say anouther 30-50mil, but when u blow up a carrier that drops a few hundren mil in loot or u kill a shop that gives u 4 tech 2 guns as well as the ocasional bit of faction loot, is it realy a big deal to carry on fighting, and just like CVA we do more then just blow people up we have money makers ect... so this war will last a while
oh and BTW feel free to visit the CVA outpost now - coz erm it might be a while before it has there name on the door again
HMMMMMMMM the end ? i think not |
XKittyX
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:08:00 -
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It is good to see old enemies fighting once more.
Enjoy yourselves |
Zxyrox
Caldari Path of Light Hell Hounds
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:08:00 -
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I figured I'd add in my own bit of smack here.
I remember long ago, possably 4 months ago, AMAX was killing many noobs in providence, content as ever, crying over the blown up setup on the cerebrus we ganked, when we got wind from our super secret spies that aralis, ms lear, and garreck were headed our way.
Aralis, as usual, was destroyed and disfigured beyond all recognisation, and we nonchalantly tossed his corpse into the pile of thousands we had at AMAX HQ.
Ms Lear escaped saw that comming, afterall she wasnt the target
Garreck however, logs off in the middle of the interdiction sphere never to return again, in the middle of the fight no less. what was that ***** about me being mediocre? lol.
I'd like to thank TSBS for doccumenting the awsome moment in history when Aralis yelled "GET OUT, RUN I THOUGHT GARRECK WAS HERE" in local, moments from being obliterated as per usual.
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maGz
The Priory
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Redwolf Edited by: Redwolf on 18/08/2006 07:19:25
Originally by: maGz Kinda ironic seeing as you've spent quite a while saying loss of isk isn't the way to destroy an entity....
Well we went using any isk when you made it mutual.
Exactly! Why retract then? ________________
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Grimkill
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:31:00 -
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Enough of this Us and You, You and Us, We all know this is gonna be decided on the Battlefield,We all have isk and isk doesnt come into it. So LOCK AND LOAD, And Let Loose The Dogs Of War
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Seleene
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.18 08:38:00 -
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Edited by: Seleene on 18/08/2006 08:38:44
Originally by: Hans Roaming When the staton near r3 doesn't have CVA above the door then it can be said they are being hammered
Originally by: EXZODIER now hans we both know that the station aint gona fall
Soooo.... what's the point of all the shooty shooty? If you say, "To have fun!" then more power to ya. If you say, "To crush CVA!" then you need to take their land away. -
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