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Skybar
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Posted - 2006.08.18 11:07:00 -
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 Originally by: Lord Azraiel
More often than not your gonna run into griefers that dont realise its easier to ransom than to just kill. You'll also get people that will ransom your ship, and then just kill you anyway. That in turn makes most people not want to pay the ransom. It's all messed up mate.
Those who kills you after the ransom are....input bad word. I've yet to experience that myself though. However it's most often me on the other side of the gun.
One major problem about ransoming people, atleast when you are solo, is that targets are very very likely to be stabbed, and thus you don't always ransom.
This goes mostly for industrial/barges/ratting battlecruisers.
This is an issue that I think should be fixed somehow. Atleast give us a chance to see if the person has a wcs fitted (and no, i aint gonna fit a ship scanner when I just can blow the guy up).
The same goes with Gate camping, tanking the sentries for example - You don't want to sit there too long to wait for the person to pay the ransom, and thus, insta-gank is favorable in that situation.
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Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:05:00 -
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How is it easier to ransom than just kill? When you ransom someone, you have to hold the target there. You have to convo him and waste more time making yourself weak. You have to wait for him/her to send money. You have to watch local and the gate (if you're at a gate). I mean a lot of things, if you plan to ransom real targets.
Killing is much easier, you simply just kill! :)
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Wizie
Minmatar
Euphoria Released
Euphoria Unleashed
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Posted - 2006.08.18 15:11:00 -
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Solo piracy still exists... Yes.
However, its more out of the dedication of the few people who stick by it.
In reality, CCP have screwed over the entire piracy theme so hard, it's just not worth pirating anymore.
Majority of piracy nowadays is some Battleships sniping from 180K, or tanking sentries in a group up close, killing everything that comes through.
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Shamis Orzoz
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.08.18 16:00:00 -
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Originally by: Famine Aligher'ri
How is it easier to ransom than just kill? When you ransom someone, you have to hold the target there. You have to convo him and waste more time making yourself weak. You have to wait for him/her to send money. You have to watch local and the gate (if you're at a gate). I mean a lot of things, if you plan to ransom real targets.
Killing is much easier, you simply just kill! :)
QFT
Ransoming is a pain in the ass, particularly due to convo lag. Hulks and Freighters is about all I have the patience to even attempt to ransom these days.
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AltTastic
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Posted - 2006.08.18 18:00:00 -
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Originally by: Ms Muneca
Well, you can look at people who rarely ransom as griefers instead of pirates, but the truth is (half quoted from a corpmate), "blowing up the ship is like opening a fortune cookie."
$20 says that was..... that new guy you have, the one who's been playing since '03. Can't remember his name and am at work.
Anyways, nice to see you folks on the forums. No, i'm not gonna post with my main. Yes, I see you almost every day. :)
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Hesed
Sanguine Legion
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.18 18:42:00 -
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We really need to get organized to grief the hell out of empire.
That doesn't mean band up into a superblob, but instead, get organized to keep up the pressure on unassuming corps in the most efficient ways possible. I think it would be very hard work to polarize the whole playerbase into paranoid enclaves, but it would be great fun.
To be honest, there's just not enough real ire inspired by people underpricing others by one cent to prompt a proper war dec. I want to see carebears sharpening their stubby eyeteeth and finding ways to make money using others to hurt each other. Some people focus on Jita, but I want to set every republic on fire and get almost every non-noobcorper involved in some thread of a vast morass of wars. NPCers in mid to low populated systems are even easier to find. As pirates, we have a responsibility to the playing experience. I think it may well even be our duty. Now if only I could pay attention to an npc long enough to get concord to let me back in...
We need to have so many scan probes floating between cooperating corps that it is considered almost unfeasable to risk running missions in a Raven even when there are no WTs in local.
*This may or may not be an elaborate scheme to boost numbers in lowsec for mindless, unplanned belt-piracy fun.
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Krist Valentine
Amarr
Bad Omen Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.18 18:43:00 -
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As far as I know, (which probably isn't all true), Veto and S******dly are the most respected pirate corps about - but then again my sources are mainly a friend or two in them here and there, and videos.
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idimmu69
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:08:00 -
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People say you can't get money by ransoming?
Linkage
There's a fair bit of isk there all made by ransoming. Granted, you have to kill alot of people for the few who will pay, but perserverence(sp?) pays off in the end. Just always give the mark the option of paying or dying.
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Portios Smith
Gallente
Sanguine Legion
Atrocitas
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:17:00 -
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I always ransom, thats what I am out there for. If I don't ransom is cause the fight was close and I was too busy trying to win it to worry about convos.
Some times my victim asks to be ransomed in this close encounters, I am happy to set a number and let them go in their merry way when they pay.
Sure ransoming is harder than killing, but hey is also more fun/entertaining to be able to do it. And then being able to really pay for your character needs from ransoms just feels darn good.
Kill mails dont feed my wallet, Ransoms do. Ransoming in EVE is the closest thing to boarding an 18th century Galleon and taking the gold
Bottom line is I would do what I think makes the most profit, if that means blowing up the ship and hoping some expensive crap survives, Then I will.
Also, solo piracy is the most fun, Too bad it's a dying art. too many blobs now days.
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AltTastic
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: idimmu69
People say you can't get money by ransoming?
Linkage
There's a fair bit of isk there all made by ransoming. Granted, you have to kill alot of people for the few who will pay, but perserverence(sp?) pays off in the end. Just always give the mark the option of paying or dying.
Wait a second.... Don't get me wrong, I'm down with whatever you pirates want to do, I learned long ago how to avoid you all for the most part, so I rarely have an encounter with VETO (who operates near my home often), and a few other pirate corps, but...
How on earth do you guys stay afloat making such little money? Reading through the forum posts, its so minimal what you make on a day-to-day basis. I was once a mission runner, but do industrial crap on the side currently to pay the bills, and complexes for fun. I can honestly say with moderate skills and no tech2 bpo's I make easily triple what you people make, and VETO is top dog right? The lower pirate corps must be scraping by to survive?
Again, this is not a "<whine> I hate pirates" post, its more of a question of finances. I mean let's be honest, what I do for a living wouldn't be profitable if you guys weren't around. I'm just curious if that's really all you guys make day-to-day. Do you do other stuff like run complexes or mission whoring? Must be hard if you lose a BS or something. :/
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idimmu69
Caldari
Veto.
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Posted - 2006.08.18 19:55:00 -
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Well, as I said, you have to kill many people to get to the few who pay. For those that don't pay, there is always the loot, and the occasional faction spawn in the belts.
Small gangs or solo with a few mil in loot per kill, the occasional ransom, and other activities keeps the wallet above empty.
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TheKiller8
Caldari
S.A.S
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Posted - 2006.08.19 00:08:00 -
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Piracy is dead. Back in the day we yelled 'avast ye roid lubbers' and we ransomed those poor sods. But nowadays it's just 'lock shoot pop and **** the can he prolly had crap anyway'.
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Bobby2006
Gallente
Creative Industry Division
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Posted - 2006.08.19 00:39:00 -
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Everytime i'm low and money and i have to mine i get caught up but some stupid pirate in a stupid frigate and wanna pop my cruiser (full only with miners ) :(( ... only bad luck always ...
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Koddo
Defile.
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Posted - 2006.08.19 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Shamis Orzoz
Edited by: Shamis Orzoz on 17/08/2006 19:29:20
Piracy has evolved. Adapt or be forgotten.
Low sec empire belt piracy is a good way to be really bored and make very little isk. Low sec gatecamps are profitable, but almost as boring.
Deep 0.0 piracy is where its at. That is where all the rich carebears live...or at least the ones that aren't protected by concord.
QFT
p.s. Yarrr!1!!
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