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Halo Jones	Posted - 2003.10.11 00:12:00 - [31] Quote: Did someone just overlook CCP banning about 50 accounts the other week and numberous eBay cheaters being closed down overnight in a wonderfully co-ordinated sting as a result? Yes, this was an excellent move, and one I am certain there would have been more acreditation for and support, if they had actually publicised their interactions. They may still do this, and I actually thought thats what today's 'database maintainence' was about, final investigations into removal of duped items etc. I would hope CCP, do publish a list of the 'damned' and why they were banned. I know this may leave them somewhat open to counteractions, but I feel the sence of reinforcement and security given to hard working current players would be substantially greater than any backlash. On another point, harvestor blueprint? please! apart from nailing convoys, there seems no way to get these drones... I would have assumed since NPCs see fit to put them in convoys to be attacked, they should also see fit to ligitimately sell the mother ***** things. PS I love the new forums, since they censor for us, we can mother ***** say whatever we like, and not have to contemplate an edit. Oberon Incorporated.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.10.11 00:17:00 - [32] Yes naming the banned would be good, then some people may stop grieving the dead as they'd know for what reason they're no longer among us. Convert Stations
N'Jorah	Posted - 2003.10.11 00:38:00 - [33] You guys don't get it. Sony tried to stop it. Now auctions for items in on-line games have a blurb similar to this 99% of the time: "You are paying for Time spent Playing the game and Gathering Items: All Items that pertain to the game Remain CCP Property" The guy is selling nothing related to Eve.
Calladen Nimitz	Posted - 2003.10.11 02:17:00 - [34] Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 11/10/2003 02:21:16 I visited the ebay site to look at that BP for sale. I downloaded the picture of the BP that was there and looked at it closely in Photoshop. While on top it does say "MINER II" I noticed down below in the description of the item it says "PRODUCES" "MINER I" - I looked closely at the "MINER I" and it sure doesn't look like "MINER II" to me. Check it out for yourself. Calladen
Veruna Caseti	Posted - 2003.10.11 06:30:00 - [35] Quote: Now auctions for items in on-line games have a blurb similar to this 99% of the time: "You are paying for Time spent Playing the game and Gathering Items: All Items that pertain to the game Remain CCP Property" If you think this exempts them from the EULA you're fooling yourself, just like the sellers. Veruna Caseti Ishukone
Dragon Ramirez	Posted - 2003.10.11 07:02:00 - [36] Quote: Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 11/10/2003 02:21:16 I visited the ebay site to look at that BP for sale. I downloaded the picture of the BP that was there and looked at it closely in Photoshop. While on top it does say "MINER II" I noticed down below in the description of the item it says "PRODUCES" "MINER I" - I looked closely at the "MINER I" and it sure doesn't look like "MINER II" to me. Check it out for yourself. Calladen Damn, he's right.. miner 1, also if u look closely at the font of the title the second I in Miner II looks different to the first one... So not only has this guy got rich off ebaying Eve items, it now seams that he's got greedy too and is trying to rip people off Joint CEO of Universal Defence Industries "Proudly Independent since Creation" ----------------------------------------------- No trees were harmed in the making of this message, but some electrons were inconvenienced.
Turtle	Posted - 2003.10.11 09:07:00 - [37] Edited by: Turtle on 11/10/2003 09:07:51 Quote: Edited by: Calladen Nimitz on 11/10/2003 02:21:16 I visited the ebay site to look at that BP for sale. I downloaded the picture of the BP that was there and looked at it closely in Photoshop. While on top it does say "MINER II" I noticed down below in the description of the item it says "PRODUCES" "MINER I" - I looked closely at the "MINER I" and it sure doesn't look like "MINER II" to me. Check it out for yourself. Calladen If what you say is true it would be to funny. E-bay takes a dim view of fraud. I wonder if they would prosecute. Also I have wondered if the people that sell items on Ebay are claiming the income on there taxes. I think the IRS (us) would take a exception to this income unless it is reported.
FatTony 3Fingers	Posted - 2003.10.11 11:23:00 - [38] If someone used exploits like scripted mining routines or duping of items yes they should be banned, but gaming is a hobby , hobbys like coin collecting become valuable. So if someone took the time to work for there items with out cheating and wants to sell them to another person there is nothing wrong with that. Infact it makes the game more injoyable as work in the game brings tangable wealth. I think the people complaining the most I.E. veruna sorry if name is mispelled are probably not doing to well in the game and are thus jealous of people that are bettter gamers and thus make some money on the side. If you have ever been to a hobbyiest fair you will know exactly what I mean. It amazes me the amount of people in this game that think they deserve to have just as much as some mega player you know the type oh that person has to be cheating or exploiting I have been playing just as long as him and he a battleship and I am still in a cruiser. The ones I notice that say this are the ones who talk the most complaining while the other person with better items is actually working a roid field. Lastly this game mirrors real life , it is based on hyper capitalism and I bet those people that can afford to buy 500.00 dollar items on ebay are not complaining that there welfare check is not up to snuff rather instead of wasting there time complaining and looking for handouts and being jelous malcontents , they are industrious peeps laughing all the way to the bank
Grikl	Posted - 2003.10.11 11:29:00 - [39] someone selling a miner 2 bpc on ebay lol is everyone who plays eve poor or something?
zincol	Posted - 2003.10.11 11:43:00 - [40] Cancelled $180.00 Explanation:The seller ended the listing early and cancelled all bids. look's like they all backed out on him?! w00t
Deadzone	Posted - 2003.10.12 08:39:00 - [41] Quote: If someone used exploits like scripted mining routines or duping of items yes they should be banned, but gaming is a hobby , hobbys like coin collecting become valuable. So if someone took the time to work for there items with out cheating and wants to sell them to another person there is nothing wrong with that. Infact it makes the game more injoyable as work in the game brings tangable wealth. I think the people complaining the most I.E. veruna sorry if name is mispelled are probably not doing to well in the game and are thus jealous of people that are bettter gamers and thus make some money on the side. If you have ever been to a hobbyiest fair you will know exactly what I mean. It amazes me the amount of people in this game that think they deserve to have just as much as some mega player you know the type oh that person has to be cheating or exploiting I have been playing just as long as him and he a battleship and I am still in a cruiser. The ones I notice that say this are the ones who talk the most complaining while the other person with better items is actually working a roid field. Lastly this game mirrors real life , it is based on hyper capitalism and I bet those people that can afford to buy 500.00 dollar items on ebay are not complaining that there welfare check is not up to snuff rather instead of wasting there time complaining and looking for handouts and being jelous malcontents , they are industrious peeps laughing all the way to the bank There is only one BIG flaw with your arguement here Tony, and that is you click the "agree" button saying that you willingly acknowledge that all items/money, and everything else in Eve remains CCP property, no matter what, and selling outside of the game, without permission, is a crime. Being a hobby doesn't mean a damn thing. The UELA tells you everything you need to know, so using the " well, its our time, therefore we can do what we want arguement" is not valid whatsoever. You don;t like it, don't click the "agree" button and go play somethig else. 95% of the people here abide by that rule and those who don't deserve all the hell they get for breaking it. Vice-Admiral Executive Commanding Officer Military Command Hadead Drive Yards
Sphalerite	Posted - 2003.10.12 08:50:00 - [42] Quote: someone selling a miner 2 bpc on ebay lol is everyone who plays eve poor or something? Quite the opposite... it looks like some players have way too much money burning holes in their pockets.
Robeyone	Posted - 2003.10.12 10:13:00 - [43] Looks as though something "happened" to the BP. Hmm that's odd it says the auction closed early becasue the item is gone. http://www.ronacorp.com
Bluebeard	Posted - 2003.10.12 10:47:00 - [44] Quote: There is only one BIG flaw with your arguement here Tony, and that is you click the "agree" button saying that you willingly acknowledge that all items/money, and everything else in Eve remains CCP property, no matter what, and selling outside of the game, without permission, is a crime. Being a hobby doesn't mean a damn thing. The UELA tells you everything you need to know, so using the " well, its our time, therefore we can do what we want arguement" is not valid whatsoever. You don;t like it, don't click the "agree" button and go play somethig else. 95% of the people here abide by that rule and those who don't deserve all the hell they get for breaking it. The big flaw with this argument, is that the EULA is not legally binding. No matter how much CCP or others wave it around, you only get to see it after you have broken the seal on the packaging (Shops don't accept returns/give refunds on opened Online games). This means CCP can argue in court that you have accepted the EULA, but in truth all of it is open to negotiation (including the clause that all court cases have to be held in Iceland).
Kushy	Posted - 2003.10.12 14:55:00 - [45] i thought ISK was worth about $2 US for 1m? if thats true then 1 ISK = 0.0002 cents US. Using this you can pretty much convert anything you own to real-world value. I use this to my advantage: "Hold on honey, i need to dock my $200 dollar battleship!"
Grankor	Posted - 2003.10.12 15:28:00 - [46] Quote: This guy needs to be banned now. This is utter crap... ACtually, utters typically produce milk. Crap comes out of a hole a little further back. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) This is Bunny. Copy Bunny into your signature to help him on his way to world
Dixie Flatline	Posted - 2003.10.12 16:40:00 - [47] Quote: Quote: This guy needs to be banned now. This is utter crap... ACtually, utters typically produce milk. Crap comes out of a hole a little further back. ... Do you know the word adjective? -- Morkt Drak: "I go afk and upon return find my scorpion having the *** shot out of it by Biomass Cartel.. scorpion blows up but i escape in my pod.*"
Fred0	Posted - 2003.10.12 17:10:00 - [48] There is an ingame environment and an out of game environment (RL). Any connections of the two besides paying for the game makes every game a poorer one.
Rixeh	Posted - 2003.10.12 19:50:00 - [49] Quote: Quote: This guy needs to be banned now. This is utter crap... ACtually, utters typically produce milk. Crap comes out of a hole a little further back. Actually it's UDDER you ******* dumbass. If you're gonna correct someone's spelling, do it properly. ----- Of war men will ask its outcome, not its cause. -- Seneca
Barosso Wolckenhauer	Posted - 2003.10.12 20:13:00 - [50] I just wonder what sorry kind of people have to buy a battleship for 600$ on Ebay. Let alone Blueprints, whatever they may be for. Stuff in a computer game simply is not worth real life money. What sad kind of existence must those people lead to have to spend that kind of money for recognition in a computer game? remember: http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2003091355220.gif
Shani	Posted - 2003.10.12 20:33:00 - [51] Quote: I just wonder what sorry kind of people have to buy a battleship for 600$ on Ebay. people with better jobs and less time then the avg gamer i suppose.. who cares
Cell Satimo	Posted - 2003.10.13 19:53:00 - [52] Quote: Didn't someone set up an op in Mexico paying slave-wages to folks killing stuff on Everquest they selling the rewards on Ebay? Or is that just a MMOG urban legend? I can just see a dimly-lit room in the Indian sub-continent: 'Mine faster! More Scordite! More!'* Funny you mention that, I mocked up a quick business plan in Excel to calculate the rate of ISKs earned per day by an outsourced development team I use in Bangkok. It turned out that it work well for the generation of the ISK=>$$ even allowing for a 50% price drop in the sale price/million, but there wouldn't be sufficient demand on EBay to flog it all, even if the demand doubled. Of course then I read the EULA, which states running a business based on eve not allowed. \| Join eve-webring.com to promote your site.
Scragg	Posted - 2003.10.13 20:01:00 - [53] I've said it before... CCP can work with eBay to automatically end all the Eve auctions on a peridoc basis. Bottom line is that people are making money off CCPs intellectual property without their permission and THAT is not legal. Other online games have done this. CCP has choosen not to. The reason this is so important is when REAL money gets involved in the game people will work very hard to find ways to cheat and dupe. When banned they will turn around, start up a new aco**** under a differetn name and it goes on and on...... CCP has to kill the incentive for the big time cheaters. End the auctions and ban the sellers. Scragg, Tyrell Corporation Vice-Director Military Operations

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