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Rev Darkwing
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:06:00 -
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I am thinking of buying a T2 indy ship to make runs to our 0.0 region. Naturally, such a run, although profitable, is fraught with peril and I am wondering which you have found to be the best of the breed. Does the speed of the Crane and it's natural extra warping power win out over the Bustard's heavy tanking ability or visa versa? This is an important choice because when you lose the ship.. you lose the cargo and THAT can be a lot of isk.
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Verite Rendition
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AUS Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:09:00 -
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Assuming the cargo fits in either, I'd take a Crane over a Bustard any day of the week.
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Rev Darkwing
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rev Darkwing on 15/08/2006 08:12:03
understood.. with its 5 low slots..one can certainly make a case for capacity for the bustard.. however.. i kinda figured those would be for additional tanking instead of capacity since it is soooo slow. Thanks for your input.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:24:00 -
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Different tools for different jobs I'm afraid.
The bustard makes for a superb tank, especially if you go for 'full tanking'. You can also fit a full rack of stabs in the low slots, to make it hard to tackle. Fully expanded, with an escort, it's also not quite as susceptible to getting picked off.
Sadly, it's been mostly superceeded by freighters for 'hard to kill ships with escorts', leaving it's major role as a mining op hauler (it's the only caldari hauler that can fit a full jetcan).
The Crane I use very frequently for shifting stuff around 0.0. It's a bit smaller than the Bustard, but IMO this is more than made up for by it's superior agility and speed.
My only grumble I have about the crane, is the fact it can't fit a MWD. (Well, that's not entirely true, but a MWD will use literally all it's power grid with engineering 5, which means no space for anything else like a tank :))
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Rev Darkwing
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:28:00 -
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Well.. frieghters are out of the question for cost reasons if nothing else.. and i am thinking more along the lines of a solo run anyway.. or maybe a couple of ships max.. more valuable than that and I put it on a carrier. The flexibility with it's jetcan size is tempting for mining ops though... I will admit. You are making the choice more difficult but I really appreciate the input
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: James Lyrus on 15/08/2006 08:53:39
 Originally by: Rev Darkwing
Well.. frieghters are out of the question for cost reasons if nothing else.. and i am thinking more along the lines of a solo run anyway.. or maybe a couple of ships max.. more valuable than that and I put it on a carrier. The flexibility with it's jetcan size is tempting for mining ops though... I will admit. You are making the choice more difficult but I really appreciate the input
I have, and use both.
Crane is the one I use for logistics, bustard for 'protected logistics' e.g. mining ops and putting up outposts.
Although the Crane has proven extremely useful when putting up ISS Borealis. We found out we were short 4000m3 of cargo, half an hour before downtime. (MC Video)
I am still proud to be in an MC video, for flying a hauler. I suspect that may actually be a first in EVE.
In all honesty, I find the Crane more 'generally useful' it's a pretty much go anywhere, do anything ship, with the only real weakness being the limited capacity - it can fit a Giant Sec Container, but that's about it.
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Rev Darkwing
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Posted - 2006.08.15 09:19:00 -
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Would you mind sharing your working setup for both? I can find a dozen who can give me setups to their ferox or raven but this is a little less common. thanks a lot for all your input.
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2006.08.15 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Rev Darkwing
Would you mind sharing your working setup for both? I can find a dozen who can give me setups to their ferox or raven but this is a little less common. thanks a lot for all your input.
Changes depending on what I'm using it for, but:
Crane:
Cloak
10mn AB, med shield booster, EM hardener, invulnerability field.
2x nanos
Bustard:
Tractor beam or cloak
10MB AB, large shield booster, photon scattering field
5x nano, wcs or expanders.
Tech 2 or named, is as ever, preferred. Tech 2 shield boosters/hardeners make a big difference.
To fit a jetcan, you need 21300m3 IIRC, which is 7 giant sec containers and an additional 300m3. This does, sadly, require a good set of expanders, although you don't explicitly need a full rack of local expanders.
For a runabout where you don't have instas, a bustard with a 10mn MWD, and some nanos is very snappy, but you have to drop the Large booster to a medium to manage that. If you have good instas then a cap booster instead of the afterburner is often amusing. Fully expanded, a bustard does something like 45m/sec. The afterburner takes that to a zippy 100m/sec or so. It'll also take forever to enter warp, which is really your danger point.
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