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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.10.14 13:13:00 -
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Just wanted to get some feed back from players and CCP about how EVE works with OSX 10.10
don't wanna update if I can't play EVE
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
49
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Posted - 2014.10.15 15:55:00 -
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Still no feed back!???
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1235
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Posted - 2014.10.16 05:40:00 -
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I can't say that it runs perfectly, as I didn't even have time to undock, but the launcher launches the game and the CQ loads and runs.
If there are any problems, they're not blatant. I'll see if I can muster the time to do some session changes, since that seems to be one of the ultimate stress tests for the Mac client.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.10.16 13:29:00 -
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Dersen Lowery wrote:I can't say that it runs perfectly, as I didn't even have time to undock, but the launcher launches the game and the CQ loads and runs.
If there are any problems, they're not blatant. I'll see if I can muster the time to do some session changes, since that seems to be one of the ultimate stress tests for the Mac client.
Thanks!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
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CCP Sledgehammer
C C P
C C P Alliance
307
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Posted - 2014.10.16 14:24:00 -
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The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.
Graphical QA Analyst | EVE Quality Assurance | Team TriLambda |
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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.10.16 18:21:00 -
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CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.
Thank you!
Looks like i'll hold off on updating today!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Ran Talie-Kuo
Sphere Industries
0
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Posted - 2014.10.17 03:02:00 -
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Works for me! Undocked and use my standard tools. No issues so far. |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.10.17 03:13:00 -
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Thanks Ran Talle-Kuo.
I'll check up here for info come morning. Then if I don't see anything, I'll update!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1235
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Posted - 2014.10.17 04:33:00 -
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I got to zip around a little tonight, and I have to say, for something that isn't officially supported yet, it's pretty slick.
If you're not feeling adventurous, by all means wait for official support. Yosemite is a significant update.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Shepherd Derrial Dojo
The Brave Dojo
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.10.17 12:14:00 -
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Upgraded to Yosemite this morning. Launcher and game seem to work fine, but my client hangs and eternally beachballs when I try to alt-tab out of the EVE client. :( Can't even access the force-quit menu to shut it down that way. |
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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.10.17 12:30:00 -
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Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:Upgraded to Yosemite this morning. Launcher and game seem to work fine, but my client hangs and eternally beachballs when I try to alt-tab out of the EVE client. :( Can't even access the force-quit menu to shut it down that way.
Probablythe one reason I run window mode.
If I remember right, control+apple+ESC force quotes. If not control than option/alt.
I will upgrade in a few and post any information it get.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Shepherd Derrial Dojo
The Brave Dojo
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.10.17 14:46:00 -
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Restarted and re-tried, now it seems to work fine. I think it might have been a combination of installing updates at the same time as running EVE. |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
50
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Posted - 2014.10.17 15:12:00 -
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Everything seems to be working great for me. I'm rather enjoying the new OS X look. cleaner/flatter.
+ EVE rocks!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1235
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Posted - 2014.10.17 18:15:00 -
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Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:Restarted and re-tried, now it seems to work fine. I think it might have been a combination of installing updates at the same time as running EVE.
Yeah, EVE does not like sharing its connection with anything else, especially not something that's using a lot of network traffic.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables. |
Minmitelle
Asteroid Central
Rose Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.10.17 20:06:00 -
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So far, since I upgraded to 10.10 the launcher still works and the client will load, allow me to select a character and then load the game environment but after a few seconds the client throws an exception and then exits.
Logged a support ticket, I was advised that 10.10 is not officially supported and there is no confirmed date they can provide for when it will be supported. |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
51
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Posted - 2014.10.17 22:08:00 -
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Minmitelle wrote:So far, since I upgraded to 10.10 the launcher still works and the client will load, allow me to select a character and then load the game environment but after a few seconds the client throws an exception and then exits.
Logged a support ticket, I was advised that 10.10 is not officially supported and there is no confirmed date they can provide for when it will be supported.
Could we maybe get a little more info as a community. I'm sure someone reading this has had the same problem and found a work around...
Hit us up, and use us. No need to lose out on our EVE time for support on an OS that CCP has had the chance to test for four months.
And seeing as many people who are not having problems, maybe we can figure out what is different, and help you fix it.
Talk to you soon.
edit: p.s. And as busy as CCP is with patching EVE every 6 weeks, i'm sure a freebie from the community for supporting most powerful OS, would be very beneficial to them. 
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Annreida Kautsuo
Lego Legion Labs
0
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Posted - 2014.10.18 04:10:00 -
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I can confirm that there are hangs and crashes of Eve while playing on OS X 10.10
I've not noticed any pattern yet, but it does generate a crash dump if you allow it.
... life of an early adopter... |
CopyCatz
gaming is not a crime
The Volition Cult
71
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Posted - 2014.10.18 19:54:00 -
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I keep getting random crashes with exceptions raised:
Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524. |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.18 21:36:00 -
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CopyCatz wrote:I keep getting random crashes with exceptions raised:
Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524.
Thank you!
I don't know what those mean. Not a programer, but I am grateful for everyones help, and the information we can provide to CCP to see (I hope) a timely support for 10.10.
-Some tips I might make to people.
Make sure to repair your permissions via Disk Utility in the Application > Utility Folder.
See if a computer restart does anything. (I know I had some system wide lag after the update and another restart has helped.)
I can't think of anything else that might help.
Anyone else have tips/tricks?
xoxo
Amarisen Gream |
Shepherd Derrial Dojo
The Brave Dojo
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.10.19 10:02:00 -
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I'm continuing to have issues when alt-tabbing out of the EVE client (running in full-screen mode). Sometimes it works fine, but other times it hangs and either needs to be force-quitted or sometimes only a force restart (holding down the power button to power off the computer) will work.
I've also had the unhandled page fault error mentioned above once or twice too. |
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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.19 10:32:51 -
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Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:I'm continuing to have issues when alt-tabbing out of the EVE client (running in full-screen mode). Sometimes it works fine, but other times it hangs and either needs to be force-quitted or sometimes only a force restart (holding down the power button to power off the computer) will work.
I've also had the unhandled page fault error mentioned above once or twice too.
have you tried windowed mode. thats all i run in.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Per Gynt
Gynt and Sons
1
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Posted - 2014.10.19 13:13:16 -
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I saw "Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524." 3 times in the last 15 minutes running EVE on 10.10. For me the game is not playable at the moment.
I just came back to EVE :/ |
Shepherd Derrial Dojo
The Brave Dojo
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.10.19 13:46:47 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:have you tried windowed mode. thats all i run in.
Will try that for a while and see whether the situation improves. |
NimdaLive Live
Caledonian Industry Corporation
Meracom
0
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Posted - 2014.10.19 19:24:18 -
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Same issue here.
I've tried deleting the preference files. No Effect
Remove and re-install eve. Can not now install the client
clean install of Yosemite. Still can not install the client.
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Hatthor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:06:00 -
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I must point the finger at the dev team here.
You should have had been able to test Yosemite fro compatibility weeks ago.
I came to these forums before upgrading and saw no warning about Yosemite.
Having subscribers being the ones to point that there is an incompatibility with the latest version is not very pro imo... no offense but are you really expecting professionals and students to NOT install a free upgrade to their OS when it is released?
I know the cop out excuse is that Yosemite is not officially supported but i do not think this is how you should respond. At least you should have a pop up in game or on the forums warning players that if they upgrade their OS they won t be able to play the game.
Sorry for venting but I don t think this is very serious for a game that has a subscription
This should have been anticipated and tested before the OS was released
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Hatthor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.10.20 02:06:36 -
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[Rant removed :) ] |
Annreida Kautsuo
Lego Legion Labs
1
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Posted - 2014.10.20 03:31:00 -
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I've had some marginal improvement in stability by doing the following to my Eve related applications:
- Exit out of Eve Online and the Launcher completely
- In the Applications folder where Eve Online resides, right-mouse click on the Eve Online icon and select "Get Info". On the resulting dialog box, find the check-box named "Prevent App Nap", check that box so that it's selected, and then close the dialog box.
- Go back to the Applications folder and right-mouse click on the Eve Online icon and select "Show Package Contents"
- Open the following folders in sequence: appdata -> Eve Online-XXXXX.macosx (where XXXXX is a version number like 2.1.826897) -> Eve Online
- Right-mouse click on the "Eve Online" icon in that folder and again "Get Info" and set the "Prevent App Nap" check-box like you did above
- For the third time, set the "Prevent App Nap" setting for:
Contents -> Resources -> Eve Online
This has marginally improved the reliability of my Eve Online client on OS X 10.10
To undo these changes, just go back and uncheck all three of the items that were checked in the procedure above.
Some other things that I've done include:
- Setting all graphics to a very low setting
- Clearing all cached data |
Annreida Kautsuo
Lego Legion Labs
2
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Posted - 2014.10.20 03:31:06 -
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I've had some marginal improvement in stability by doing the following to my Eve related applications:
- Exit out of Eve Online and the Launcher completely
- In the Applications folder where Eve Online resides, right-mouse click on the Eve Online icon and select "Get Info". On the resulting dialog box, find the check-box named "Prevent App Nap", check that box so that it's selected, and then close the dialog box.
- Go back to the Applications folder and right-mouse click on the Eve Online icon and select "Show Package Contents"
- Open the following folders in sequence: appdata -> Eve Online-XXXXX.macosx (where XXXXX is a version number like 2.1.826897) -> Eve Online
- Right-mouse click on the "Eve Online" icon in that folder and again "Get Info" and set the "Prevent App Nap" check-box like you did above
- For the third time, set the "Prevent App Nap" setting for:
Contents -> Resources -> Eve Online
This has marginally improved the reliability of my Eve Online client on OS X 10.10
To undo these changes, just go back and uncheck all three of the items that were checked in the procedure above.
Some other things that I've done include:
- Setting all graphics to a very low setting
- Clearing all cached data
As others have mention, running in windowed mode is superior to full screen |
Hatthor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:37:17 -
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I ran the mac repair tool from http://content.eveonline.com/client_repair/351/EveRepairTool.tgz
and it seems to have solved the issue for me at least |
Isis Loreda
Minmatar Egg Hucker Industries
Swift Angels Alliance
3
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Posted - 2014.10.21 00:46:18 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:I'm continuing to have issues when alt-tabbing out of the EVE client (running in full-screen mode). Sometimes it works fine, but other times it hangs and either needs to be force-quitted or sometimes only a force restart (holding down the power button to power off the computer) will work.
I've also had the unhandled page fault error mentioned above once or twice too. have you tried windowed mode. thats all i run in.
Don't you get stuck with both the menu bar and the title bar of the window? And what about the dock popping up?
If there's a workaround / fix for those 2 points I'd be interested.
(I'm deliberating the 10.10 update on my main / eve computer. My test system is a little too slow to test eve proper these days) |
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Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.21 13:10:56 -
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Isis Loreda wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:I'm continuing to have issues when alt-tabbing out of the EVE client (running in full-screen mode). Sometimes it works fine, but other times it hangs and either needs to be force-quitted or sometimes only a force restart (holding down the power button to power off the computer) will work.
I've also had the unhandled page fault error mentioned above once or twice too. have you tried windowed mode. thats all i run in. Don't you get stuck with both the menu bar and the title bar of the window? And what about the dock popping up? If there's a workaround / fix for those 2 points I'd be interested. (I'm deliberating the 10.10 update on my main / eve computer. My test system is a little too slow to test eve proper these days)
Nature of the beast. AS i was running multiple accounts for months. this was so much better than command tab.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Trion Roles
Archron Dusyfe Industries
B4D W0LF INDUSTRIES
2
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Posted - 2014.10.21 23:20:16 -
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I have logged in and out several times, undocked, killed a rat, docked up. Seems to work to me. |
Jeadhob
Bidibodi Bidibu
0
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Posted - 2014.10.22 00:41:27 -
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While it appears the Yosemite is not supported. i am running eve on 2 separate set ups with no issues to my knowledge. 1 mac pro with a gtx760 card and the other a 27inch iMac (mid 2010). I will check our macbook pro and other iMacs as well this week to see how it runs but I didn't realize 10.10 wasn't supported because I have had no issues to my knowledge.
-Oh take that back I get a 1minute timer on one of the computers but not the other whenever I shoot something in a mission. its the timer you get that says you shot another person.. not the normal aggression timer in yellow... the red one. |
Hatthor
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
8
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:57:37 -
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There was a patch today...was it a Mac only patch? Where can you see what those patches fix ?
EDIT: nevermind found it http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-oceanus |
Sophos Mileghere
Ars Goetia Corporation
Bleak Horizon Alliance.
3
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Posted - 2014.10.22 17:02:32 -
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Bug found after upgrade to Yosemite - changing the output audio device in System Preferences / Sounds in OS X crashes all open EVE clients in a fantastic way. Who do I contact to raise officially please? |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.22 17:06:23 -
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Sophos Mileghere wrote:Bug found after upgrade to Yosemite - changing the output audio device in System Preferences / Sounds in OS X crashes all open EVE clients in a fantastic way. Who do I contact to raise officially please?
Standard bug report. or hope that CCP is watching this forum.
10.10 isn't supported yet. but i'm sure every bug we find now is one less but when they do!
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.10.23 18:47:18 -
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Two Eve Clients running butter smooth on a MacPro 6,1 6-core with dual D700's on Yosemite 10.10.
No freezes during gameplay.
Freeze of client B when quitting client A. Already reported elsewhere: thread
I just put an application "in-between", preventing the death of client B. |
Tarkus Madullier
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
0
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Posted - 2014.10.26 02:52:48 -
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I can't even launch the EVE client, the launcher works, but when I log in, it just does nothing. Can't manually launch client from within the .app package either.
Went from running EVE with max settings to not being able to even launch it. Only thing i haven't tried is deleting the current install and reinstalling fresh.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/0yotzm4i02uecp1/Screenshot_2014-10-25_22_49_45.jpg |
Amarisen Gream
Lone Wolf Union
Yulai Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.28 13:34:11 -
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Is it possible to get an update from CCP on the progress for supporting OS X 10.10.*???
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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I Like Butter
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2014.10.29 02:06:03 -
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It worked just fine for me after upgrading from Mavericks (10.9), but it also works just fine on a fresh Yosemite (10.10) install.
No troubles whatsoever.
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Tobin Risidan
Brave Provisions
Brave Collective
0
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Posted - 2014.11.07 18:27:52 -
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CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.
Can we please have some more information about this? Almost 6 months have passed since the first Yosemite Beta and the only thing we've heard from you so far is this one sentence. Please CCP, show some love for your Mac costumers and at least let us know if it's being worked on or tell us a rough timeframe! |
Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.11.10 09:51:23 -
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Amarisen Gream wrote:Isis Loreda wrote:Amarisen Gream wrote:Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:I'm continuing to have issues when alt-tabbing out of the EVE client (running in full-screen mode). Sometimes it works fine, but other times it hangs and either needs to be force-quitted or sometimes only a force restart (holding down the power button to power off the computer) will work.
I've also had the unhandled page fault error mentioned above once or twice too. have you tried windowed mode. thats all i run in. Don't you get stuck with both the menu bar and the title bar of the window? And what about the dock popping up? If there's a workaround / fix for those 2 points I'd be interested. (I'm deliberating the 10.10 update on my main / eve computer. My test system is a little too slow to test eve proper these days) Nature of the beast. AS i was running multiple accounts for months. this was so much better than command tab.
For 27" screens there's even a specific resolution that takes the menu bar and window top into account.
It would be great to have the clients remember on which monitor they are supposed to run.... :)
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addelee
Minion Revolution
SpaceMonkey's Alliance
99
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Posted - 2014.11.12 16:53:00 -
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Does anyone have issues with shortcut keys not working? For example, fittings window when docked? Mine just refuse to work.
Also, I found another issue whereby if you run Avast Antivirus, it will prevent session changes more often than not and therefore you just get stuck. I've removed Avast and have zero issues anymore.
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Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.11.24 14:11:45 -
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I believe not all stations have fitting available. |
Hugh Knight
Usque Ad Mortem
TCC.
7
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Posted - 2014.11.25 18:29:20 -
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Hi Guys,
Just wanted to update all the mac users on info i have found.
First of all I had eve working for over a month on 10.10 fine but i did notice the new os made things a bit slower, frame rate and speed of loading.
anyway i started up eve one night and nothing it just would not work. i tried....
App nap trick
Zap the P-Ram
Cleared the cache on the client
Run the Mac repair tool
Uninstalled eve and did a fresh download and install.
Still the same issue......
At this point being an Network and Security engineer i hit it with my full suite of tools and found all sorts of issues like the client starting but no packets for eve on the wire i could go in to real indepth captures and explain them but you will just end up having nose bleeds like i did.
so at this point things are not adding up DNS lookup from eve client iare working but no packets after. so i hit the apple forums (yes i feel dirty)
anyway Eve is not the only game having issues there are many many accounts on the forums ranting.
I also found a gem of a guy (not going to mention his name) who stated 10.10 is beta and based on proc dumps you can see all sorts of process's crashing the last one apple annouced they fixed was dropbox running this can cause it to go skynet and stop random network services. and system process.
so after this i though well maybe i had a corrupt update from apple as i do run some really random crap on my machine due to work so i did a complete clean install of 10.10 and the game did not work.
i went through the very boring process of rolling back to mavericks (10.9) and not only does it work i can confirm the game is 100% stable for me although i still had to do the app nap fix to stop eve instances going to sleep when multiboxing. but all in all the Frame rate is higher and the graphics are cleaner.
So not any real fix here other than do not use an OS that Eve does not yet support and where apple have ironed out all the bent code. i feel like i am running windows with the lack of support i got from apple.
a final note is apple are due to release a new OS on the 24th of Dec. do not use this if you wish to play eve and get support from the Devs. Check which OS are supported before writing a complaint to the devs.
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Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2014.11.26 20:44:24 -
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I have a late 2009 27" iMac running 10.10.1 and EVE does not really work. I can log in and do things in stations no problem (i.e. my station trader is doing fine). The problem starts when I try to undock. About 80% of the time the client freezes...sort of. The space environment loads and all my windows appear to be working...your only indication that something is wrong is when you try to activate a module or warp somewhere or well...anything. The module buttons appear to be "pressed" but they don't activate. The voice come on to say "Warp Drive Active", but you don't actually move. You can bring up the "escape" menu, but pressing quit, just closes the window...you don't quit. The only way to fix it is to "force quit" the application and log back in. In that case, the system loads and works fine about 80% of the time. Of course, once you dock then undock, it screws up again.
It is very odd to me that with over 6 months to get ready for 10.10 they don't seem to have any kind of plan to support it yet. One would think that they would at lease be able to say if they are working on it or not.
For my part, I will be upgrading to a 5K iMac sometime this winter and I plan to play EVE on Windows (via boot camp). I haven't been all that active in the last several months. Of course now that I know its not working, I want to play again. Oh well. |
Trodonmydog deVille
Joint Mining and Exploration Enterprise
0
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Posted - 2014.11.27 18:44:53 -
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Just to add my two cents worth.
I'm running OS X Yosemite 10.10.1 and the game is pretty much unplayable.
I have resorted to playing with no sound as it seems to be a little more stable for me. However, I constantly get lockups/freezes/crashes. Playing windowed and full screen.
Can't force quit either. I've lost count the amount of times I've had to do a cold boot of the machine 
I'm seriously contemplating rolling back to Mavericks. Just need to back up the machine now. |
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.11.28 14:21:53 -
[48] - Quote
Hi all
I've been having the same issues with constant freezing, crashing and exceptions in Yosemite. I didn't try running for a few days, and when I launched today and allowed the launcher to install the latest patch it all seemed to be working fine. Any others now running ok on Yosemite? |
Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2014.11.29 03:28:29 -
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Logan Sollette wrote:Hi all
I've been having the same issues with constant freezing, crashing and exceptions in Yosemite. I didn't try running for a few days, and when I launched today and allowed the launcher to install the latest patch it all seemed to be working fine. Any others now running ok on Yosemite?
No change for me...same problems on undock. |
Tertius Caedes
V0LTA
Triumvirate.
0
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Posted - 2014.11.29 10:02:18 -
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I use Yosemite 10.10.1 and i have daily freezes. Always in Ally ops. Very annoying. And i cba to change my OS because of a Videogame. |
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Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.11.30 11:34:42 -
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Looks like I spoke too soon - the problem has returned for me too. CCP have confirmed in a response to a support ticket that they have not made any changes which would improve performance on Yosemite.
What I have found is that disabling audio completely makes a significant difference. In fact, it has made the client completely stable for me. I have also turned all of the graphics options to minimum, so I was unsure whether this was causing the improvement. However, when I re-enabled audio the instability came back, even with the graphics still on minimum. I haven't yet set the graphics back to high quality as I'm mining right now, but I will try this and report back. I'm wondering if any other pilots have had success by disabling audio? |
Sub Saissore
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.01 03:46:44 -
[52] - Quote
o7 -
Just to reiterate what has already been stated, my Eve client continues to crash randomly during gameplay after my upgrade to Yosemite 10.10.1.
I have sent the crash report to Apple as well as have the data sent to CCP checked so they should be getting these data reports. Hoping for a fix soon!
Also, the crash can take place within seconds of starting the client to several hours into gameplay, seemingly at random. At times, the entire Mac will restart. This is a 2011 iMac. |
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.01 10:00:29 -
[53] - Quote
@Sub Saissore
I am also running under Yosemite on a 2011 iMac. Does it make any difference to you if you disable audio? |
Hugh Knight
Usque Ad Mortem
TCC.
7
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Posted - 2014.12.01 10:43:44 -
[54] - Quote
Hi Guys,
I see many people are still having issue regarding 10.10.
First thing.
Yosemite is not supported by CCP. now that is out of the way.
poor performance is due to Yosemite using beta drivers for graphics this i can confirm on my 2014 mac, this is probably the same reason for crap sound too but i never had any issues with sound when i had it running.
If your mac is freezing up look up app nap fix for app in 10.8 + in a nut shell you need to exclude some parts of the eve client from going in to app nap.
to all you guys that say it is working fine on Yosemite, it is just a matter of time before it stops working, i had 10.10 running from the day it was released and it was about 4 weeks in when eve stopped running i have a dedicated mac to run eve and work from a different mac for my job so the only thing installed on it is eve so there is no conflict with apps.
If you can roll back to mavericks it is stable (this takes about 2 hours) i run over 6 clients at the same time and no issues, even getting the test server works fine on Mavericks.
If you want me to post the app nap email me or just search youtube some chappys did a nice vid on how to do it.
:D |
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2014.12.01 15:38:50 -
[55] - Quote
I have had huge success getting Eve to run under Yosemite using Winebottler:
http://winebottler.kronenberg.org
I used the development version because it specifies Yosemite support. It's easy to download and install Winebottler:
1. Download the Windows version if the Eve installer, and I also downloaded the offline installer files.
2. When you run Winebottler, select the Advanced tab.
3. Then click on "select file" and choose the Eve installer .exe file.
4. Tick the "self contained" box.
5. Leave all the other options as default and hit Install.
6. Pick a location for the app, enter "EVE" as the filename, and press Save.
7. The app will be created, and then the Eve installer will pop up. Click through the default installer options and wait for Eve to be installed inside the self-contained wine app.
8. You will be prompted to select the startfile (the programme which is executed when you double click the app). Click on the dropdown menu and select "Program Files/CCP/EVE/launcher/launcher.exe". Press OK
9. You should get a message saying "prefix created successfully"
10. Press OK and quit the Winebottler app
11. Go to the location where you saved the EVE app. It will have a default icon. Double click the icon.
12. I had a problem where I saw a message saying 'Preparing "EVE"' with "Copying prefix" at the bottom, and the message would not go. If this happens to you, force quit the app and it should continue running. On subsequent occasions this should not happen
Beyond this, run Eve just as you normally would. I've been running in a window with audio enabled and graphics on full quality. The game has been faster than CCP's Cider port of Eve for the Mac, and significantly more stable. I got lockups a couple of times per day even under Mavericks, but this doesn't seem to happen at all running under Wine.
Hope that helps some other pilots out there! |
The Ludocrat
Full Spectrum Inc
Greater Western Co-Prosperity Sphere
0
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Posted - 2014.12.04 04:29:45 -
[56] - Quote
I think the EVE Mac community deserves an Official Update on this topic. Yosemite builds have been available to Devs since the Summer. Plenty of time to identify issues and communicate a plan of some sort. |
Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.04 10:53:00 -
[57] - Quote
Logan Sollette wrote:I have had huge success getting Eve to run under Yosemite using Winebottler: http://winebottler.kronenberg.org... snip ... Beyond this, run Eve just as you normally would. I've been running in a window with audio enabled and graphics on full quality. The game has been faster than CCP's Cider port of Eve for the Mac, and significantly more stable. I got lockups a couple of times per day even under Mavericks, but this doesn't seem to happen at all running under Wine. Hope that helps some other pilots out there!
I'm going to try this when I get home. Will report back after testing.
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Amarisen Gream
Ark University
ArK Alliance
56
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Posted - 2014.12.06 20:15:19 -
[58] - Quote
Hugh Knight wrote:Hi Guys,
I see many people are still having issue regarding 10.10.
First thing.
Yosemite is not supported by CCP. now that is out of the way.
poor performance is due to Yosemite using beta drivers for graphics this i can confirm on my 2014 mac, this is probably the same reason for crap sound too but i never had any issues with sound when i had it running.
If your mac is freezing up look up app nap fix for app in 10.8 + in a nut shell you need to exclude some parts of the eve client from going in to app nap.
to all you guys that say it is working fine on Yosemite, it is just a matter of time before it stops working, i had 10.10 running from the day it was released and it was about 4 weeks in when eve stopped running i have a dedicated mac to run eve and work from a different mac for my job so the only thing installed on it is eve so there is no conflict with apps.
If you can roll back to mavericks it is stable (this takes about 2 hours) i run over 6 clients at the same time and no issues, even getting the test server works fine on Mavericks.
If you want me to post the app nap email me or just search youtube some chappys did a nice vid on how to do it.
:D
If you show info on the EVE Apps (might need another step) there is a prevent App Nap option that you can check mark.
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Sir Gankal0t
Fortuna Heavy Industries
Viral Society
24
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Posted - 2014.12.06 21:47:04 -
[59] - Quote
Im running a Mac (27-inch, Mid 2011) 3,1 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
Os 10.10.1 Yosemite and no problems here even running TQ and Sisi in one session.
I know it sucks when yr Mac /Pc is not doing what you want.
But my advise is keep it simple dont use a ton of Apps and run Eve at the same time........
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Melrick Aubaris
Fractured Glory
F0RCED ENTRY.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.08 22:25:39 -
[60] - Quote
Do NOT UPDATE YET! Yosemite has turned Eve into a crashfest on my iMac...
It looks like my setup is quite similar to Sir Gankalot's, even the model year of the iMac |
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Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.12.09 12:10:10 -
[61] - Quote
Sir Gankal0t wrote: Im running a Mac (27-inch, Mid 2011) 3,1 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
Os 10.10.1 Yosemite and no problems here even running TQ and Sisi in one session.
I know it sucks when yr Mac /Pc is not doing what you want.
But my advise is keep it simple dont use a ton of Apps and run Eve at the same time........
I think memory plays a big part. I'm also on a Mid 2011 iMac, but only have 4GB of RAM and a 512MB graphics card. The page fault exceptions which pop up seem to point to a memory issue. So you're probably right about trying not to have too much open when running Eve, but on my iMac at least, it didn't seem to make any difference at all. The only way I can run now is through the Windows version running in Winebottler, but as I said in my post above this actually works better than the official Mac client ever did anyway, even under Lion, Mountain Lion or Mavericks. |
Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.09 21:15:26 -
[62] - Quote
With Rhea just a few days away, I decided to wait that out and perform the wine bottling operation on the new update.
I used a freshly downloaded windows version of EVE, the three offline install files.
I must say, it actually works like a gem. No troubles anymore with changing the sound and getting the freeze from Eve.
Up till now two caveats detected:
#1 The two AMD FirePro D700's in my Mac Pro are shown as a single (!) ATI Radeon X1600 under emulation.
#2 Minimising a windowed game ruins the background when un-minimising.
Further testing is underway, will report here later. |
Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1349
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Posted - 2014.12.09 22:02:18 -
[63] - Quote
Logan Sollette wrote:Sir Gankal0t wrote: Im running a Mac (27-inch, Mid 2011) 3,1 GHz Intel Core i5 16 GB 1333 MHz DDR3 AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024 MB
Os 10.10.1 Yosemite and no problems here even running TQ and Sisi in one session.
I know it sucks when yr Mac /Pc is not doing what you want.
But my advise is keep it simple dont use a ton of Apps and run Eve at the same time........
I think memory plays a big part. I'm also on a Mid 2011 iMac, but only have 4GB of RAM and a 512MB graphics card. The page fault exceptions which pop up seem to point to a memory issue.
Yes.
Upgrading even to 8GB will improve things significantly. More is better.
This is the voice of experience, except that I had a 2008 24" iMac at the time.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.12.14 09:58:36 -
[64] - Quote
Enrique d'Ancourt wrote:With Rhea just a few days away, I decided to wait that out and perform the wine bottling operation on the new update.
I used a freshly downloaded windows version of EVE, the three offline install files.
I must say, it actually works like a gem. No troubles anymore with changing the sound and getting the freeze from Eve.
Up till now two caveats detected:
#1 The two AMD FirePro D700's in my Mac Pro are shown as a single (!) ATI Radeon X1600 under emulation.
#2 Minimising a windowed game ruins the background when un-minimising.
Further testing is underway, will report here later.
More caveats when running multiple clients (2 monitor setup):
#3 Erratic window opening/closing with two clients. It seems as though the window of the one extends underneath the window of the other, making buttons and windows a mess to navigate, as part of them (sometimes all!) are invisible, yet still responsive.
#4 No decent screen updates on the non-active window.
I'm ditching this solution based on #3 and #4, as this was attempted to improve multi-client general-sound-change-induced freezes.
Back to the default mac version of CCP. Hope to participate with Mac Probe in the near future, to iron-out more Mac issues with the gents at CCP, such as the strange spinning planet bug depicted here. |
Melrick Aubaris
Fractured Glory
F0RCED ENTRY.
0
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Posted - 2014.12.17 06:20:59 -
[65] - Quote
my hope is to crash Apple's servers with the sheer volume of my crash reports.
Seriously pissed about this. A waste of my time and money, and CCP or Apple should fix it for the sake of their paying customers |
Fistos
Fowl Intentions
0
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Posted - 2014.12.17 06:28:55 -
[66] - Quote
Cliverunner wrote:I have a late 2009 27" iMac running 10.10.1 and EVE does not really work. I can log in and do things in stations no problem (i.e. my station trader is doing fine). The problem starts when I try to undock. About 80% of the time the client freezes...sort of. The space environment loads and all my windows appear to be working...your only indication that something is wrong is when you try to activate a module or warp somewhere or well...anything. The module buttons appear to be "pressed" but they don't activate. The voice come on to say "Warp Drive Active", but you don't actually move. You can bring up the "escape" menu, but pressing quit, just closes the window...you don't quit. The only way to fix it is to "force quit" the application and log back in. In that case, the system loads and works fine about 80% of the time. Of course, once you dock then undock, it screws up again.
It is very odd to me that with over 6 months to get ready for 10.10 they don't seem to have any kind of plan to support it yet. One would think that they would at lease be able to say if they are working on it or not.
For my part, I will be upgrading to a 5K iMac sometime this winter and I plan to play EVE on Windows (via boot camp). I haven't been all that active in the last several months. Of course now that I know its not working, I want to play again. Oh well.
Having pretty much the same exact challenges. So what are my options? |
Logan Sollette
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.12.17 15:38:49 -
[67] - Quote
Fistos wrote:
So what are my options?
You can run under OS X using Wine, or use Bootcamp to run it in Windows if you really want to. |
Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
6
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Posted - 2014.12.21 13:14:54 -
[68] - Quote
Fistos wrote:
So what are my options?
Well I got a little bored and decided I really wanted to play some eve so I installed the Windows client using Wineskin. It is mostly working ok, but there are some weird glitches. For example, none of the text labels appear on the Price History charts in the market. Using out of game programs are nearly impossible. Mumble overlays don't work. Still, I can undock and fight, and it runs well and smooth for the most part.
All things considered though, if CCP gets around to supporting up-to-date macs again, I will go back to the official client. |
Zan Shiro
Alternative Enterprises
559
|
Posted - 2014.12.23 03:44:12 -
[69] - Quote
Fistos wrote:
Having pretty much the same exact challenges. So what are my options?
if a gambling person fire up the client daily and see if it works any day. I actually got a playable session in Saturday night. 6 th time a charm I guess lol. Shame RNG gave me meh mission selections though but at least I could play the game so won't gripe too much about them.
Option I am eyeing as well is eve break again till January patch. But I have it on good authority from santa my son is getting an xbox one under the tree to give a go for a bit. |
Isis Loreda
Minmatar Egg Hucker Industries
Augmented Skirmish Resource Group
3
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Posted - 2014.12.29 11:21:02 -
[70] - Quote
Assuming devs check this thread occasionally it might be helpful to include system specs rather than just what year iMac for instance.
For reference, system recommended:
i7 3 ghz, 8 gig of ram, 1gig vram nvidia 675mx or better. ATI x1600 and x1900 specifically unsupported (uncheck load station environment)
I can still run eve (although slowly at low settings) on a 2008 MacBook pro 2.5 dualcore with 4 gigs of ram and only 512mb VRAM nvidia something. Last I tested was 10.1 I think (just loaded the 10.2 beta, but haven't tested).
My real system which generally plays without issue is a late 2013 27" imac with 24gigs of ram 4gig Vram nvidia something (can look up if helpful) and and a 3.5ghz i7. This really should be overkill for Eve but it's what I work on also. I run this on all high settings except for antialiasing on medium to be able to see ship effects like reps and hardeners. For some reason they stopped displaying at high.
Sometimes the client seems to just freeze and requires a force quit - at which point an offline notification goes out. Usually I see it happen when I've been sitting in station doing something else for a while - like web browsing or really anything out of Eve. It has happened a few times while actively playing, but fortunately not at a time that's gotten me killed. It seems to pull ship out of space immediately which is rather interesting. It's happened both running full screen and windowed, so I'm not sure that's a contributing factor. Lately after recent patches it does seem more stable / reliable.
I don't run teamspeak on the same system after it caused some issues in the past either with Eve or another game - don't recall which, but it was the beta for version 3. Application wise I don't run anything weird or unusual that I can think of - the usual browser, mail, messages, and sometimes Final Cut Pro or Adobe something. None of them seem to clearly cause more or fewer issues during gameplay.
Are more people that are having issues using multiple displays? My second is tiny and hasn't had any noticeable impact. |
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4046
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Posted - 2015.01.01 19:34:19 -
[71] - Quote
I'm reluctantly adding my name to the growing list of dissatisfied Mac users. Specifically:
GÇó The lack of support for Mac OS X 10.10 (freezing, unrecoverable crashes)
GÇó The lack of PBR support (High shader settings) for the AMD Radeon R9 M290X and M295X cards
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1408
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Posted - 2015.01.02 22:28:21 -
[72] - Quote
Given my recent experiences with the Star *crash* Trek *freeze* Online *fail* client, I'm wondering if this isn't a problem with Cider/WINE and compatibility with Mavericks.
Mavericks changed a lot of things under the hood. It has very aggressive power management at the kernel level, and a host of other changes that Apple documented at length during the beta, but which are slipping my mind. It's a major release.
Not least is the not-entirely-subtle hint that Apple is done relying on OpenGL, and they want people moving to Metal.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Kirua Zara
Perun's Wrath
0
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Posted - 2015.01.03 02:12:46 -
[73] - Quote
Dersen Lowery wrote:Not least is the not-entirely-subtle hint that Apple is done relying on OpenGL, and they want people moving to Metal.
Nah, Metal is for IOS only. Can't use it in OSX. |
Erin Crawford
449
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:25:26 -
[74] - Quote
Arthur Aihaken wrote:I'm reluctantly adding my name to the growing list of dissatisfied Mac users. Specifically:
GÇó The lack of support for Mac OS X 10.10 (freezing, unrecoverable crashes)
GÇó The lack of PBR support (High shader settings) for the AMD Radeon R9 M290X and M295X cards
Couldn't agree more! I'm also hoping CCP add support for 10.10, and soon..! |
Tobin Risidan
Brave Provisions
Brave Collective
1
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Posted - 2015.01.03 19:38:55 -
[75] - Quote
CCPlease! Your last response on this was in October, that's almost 3 months ago. It's been over half a year since the first Yosemite Beta was released. The least you could do is give us a small update or timeframe! Or just any response in general. Currently you're just IGNORING your Mac customers. Are we not important to you? |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4046
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Posted - 2015.01.04 03:38:51 -
[76] - Quote
What's disappointing is that those of us (now) running the latest OS X and GPUs lose out on the bulk of the PBR update in Rhea and all the new graphic/asteroid effects in Proteus. I've posted in a few of the testing threads and even emailed a few of the dev but have unfortunately received zero response.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4046
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Posted - 2015.01.05 18:15:32 -
[77] - Quote
Just a minor update: I'm now 3 days running stable under Yosemite OS X 10.10.1. I had sporadic freezes (with occasional unrecoverable crashes) while running multiple instances of EVE, but I've been able to resolve these by disabling the "Use multithreaded OpenGL" option on the clones (which were created with the EVE Clonemaker tool).
iMac Retina 5k
OS X Yosemite 10.10.1
4 GHz Intel Core i7
16 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB
250GB Flash Drive
Scaled Monitor Resolution (3200x1800 equivalent)
GÇó 3x EVE clients (all windowed); 1920x1080, 1600x900, 1600x900
GÇó Main: Multithreaded OpenGL enabled, Preset Interval - Four
GÇó Clones: Multithreaded OpenGL disabled
GÇó Frame rate is typically in excess of 72 FPS
GÇó All Effects enabled, Medium Anti-Aliasing, Medium Shader Quality, High everything else
I'd love to see the "High" shader setting but apparently this isn't a supported option under either OS X Yosemite or with the new AMD Radeon R9 M290X and M2905X graphics cards.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Dersen Lowery
Drinking in Station
1409
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Posted - 2015.01.05 19:13:59 -
[78] - Quote
Kirua Zara wrote:Dersen Lowery wrote:Not least is the not-entirely-subtle hint that Apple is done relying on OpenGL, and they want people moving to Metal. Nah, Metal is for IOS only. Can't use it in OSX.
Not yet.
Apple's discomfort with OpenGL is no great secret, though.
Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4048
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Posted - 2015.01.07 04:23:09 -
[79] - Quote
Come on CCP... throw us a bone here...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3054
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Posted - 2015.01.08 17:07:56 -
[80] - Quote
CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet.
Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple?
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4048
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Posted - 2015.01.11 01:28:19 -
[81] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple?
Don't forget the new AMD Radeon graphics cards.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Darryn Lowe
Western Madman Dictatorship
29
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Posted - 2015.01.12 01:39:00 -
[82] - Quote
Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet. Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple? 10.11 will be announced around June and released around September/October. This is how Apple has done it for a good number of years.
CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.
I just wish CCP would create a native OpenGL port for Mac OS instead of relying on third party wrappers. |
Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2015.01.12 13:04:19 -
[83] - Quote
Darryn Lowe wrote:
...
CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.
Sorry, but I have to call bull s**t on this. CCP is the one who advertises their game as being compatible with Mac. More importantly, CCP is the one who collects my money every month. CCP is 100% at fault for everything that happens with their game. If CCP is relying on a another company to make part of their game...and that company is screwing up...it is still CCPs fault (because they picked the other company).
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Hugh Knight
Usque Ad Mortem
TCC.
9
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Posted - 2015.01.12 16:10:04 -
[84] - Quote
Cliverunner wrote:Darryn Lowe wrote:
...
CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves.
Sorry, but I have to call bull s**t on this. CCP is the one who advertises their game as being compatible with Mac. More importantly, CCP is the one who collects my money every month. CCP is 100% at fault for everything that happens with their game. If CCP is relying on a another company to make part of their game...and that company is screwing up...it is still CCPs fault (because they picked the other company).
Mate pull you're head out of your arse CCP do support MAC just not 10.10 this is no different to windows with their different flavours as to the reason why it does not, well it does not matter CCP will support 10.10 when they finish the testing and can say to us mac users "yes it should work" you cant go off on one when they do not support it, these things take time to test. so wind you're neck in and give them the time they need to work out how their game works on Apples MACOS 10.10. |
GM Smiley
Game Masters
C C P Alliance
10
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Posted - 2015.01.12 23:12:08 -
[85] - Quote
We would like to ask that anyone experiencing any issues on OS X 10.10 file a bug report. As always, please provide as much detail about the nature of the specific issue as you possibly can in the bug report, since reproducing bugs is key in squashing them.
More detail about filing bug reports in general can be found here:
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Bug_reporting
For any issues on supported versions of OS X (10.7.5-10.9.x), please file a support ticket and we'll take it from there.
GM Smiley | Game Master
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Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E.
3065
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Posted - 2015.01.13 03:59:55 -
[86] - Quote
Darryn Lowe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet. Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple? 10.11 will be announced around June and released around September/October. This is how Apple has done it for a good number of years. CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves. I just wish CCP would create a native OpenGL port for Mac OS instead of relying on third party wrappers.
+1
There is this old joke
The patient holds up his arm. "Doctor, it hurts whenever I do this."
Doctor: "Then don't do that."
CCP: "We are at the mercy of transgaming to make Eve work on the Mac."
Then stop using transgaming and make Eve work on the Mac some other way.
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Pyfintlyn Lukqplm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.01.16 23:26:46 -
[87] - Quote
Shepherd Derrial Dojo wrote:Upgraded to Yosemite this morning. Launcher and game seem to work fine, but my client hangs and eternally beachballs when I try to alt-tab out of the EVE client. :( Can't even access the force-quit menu to shut it down that way.
Same issue, makes it almost impossible to play. With no support I'm tempted to put my account on hold, since it is very hard to roll back from Yosemite. |
Amarisen Gream
The ArK's Hammer
ArK Alliance
61
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Posted - 2015.01.17 15:05:29 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:Darryn Lowe wrote:Vincent Athena wrote:CCP Sledgehammer wrote:The only information I can provide officially is that we do not support it yet. Ive heard Apple is close to coming out with 10.11. Yet Eve is not supported even on 10.10! Will we soon get to the point where eve is only supported on an OS that is no longer supported by Apple? 10.11 will be announced around June and released around September/October. This is how Apple has done it for a good number of years. CCP is more than likely not at fault here but is in fact at the mercy of Transgaming who develops Cider so I suspect the OS level support has more to do with that than CCP themselves. I just wish CCP would create a native OpenGL port for Mac OS instead of relying on third party wrappers. +1 There is this old joke The patient holds up his arm. "Doctor, it hurts whenever I do this." Doctor: "Then don't do that." CCP: "We are at the mercy of transgaming to make Eve work on the Mac." Then stop using transgaming and make Eve work on the Mac some other way.
For those like this you can look at the "wine" version. The forum shows up normally on the first page. I have used it a number of times. Just no CQ support
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Tobin Risidan
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
3
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Posted - 2015.02.03 19:06:56 -
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Can anyone tell me if EVE runs anywhere close to stable on OS X Yosemite? I really want to update. EVE not working is the only thing holding me back :P |
Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2015.02.04 11:54:27 -
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Tobin Risidan wrote:Can anyone tell me if EVE runs anywhere close to stable on OS X Yosemite? I really want to update. EVE not working is the only thing holding me back :P
There isn't really a good answer to that question. Some people say it works fine, but many others (like me) still crash 4 out of 5 times they undock. The only official line we have from CCP is that Yosemite is not supported.
I have gotten EVE to run pretty well on Yosemite by downloading the PC client and using Wine to run it...but the official MAC client is still screwed. |
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Amarisen Gream
The ArK's Hammer
ArK Alliance
62
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Posted - 2015.02.06 08:02:38 -
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Dear CCP
I created this post sometime ago. Though I haven't had any issues I can think of, others have.
It is time do you (CCP) to decide is transgaming's CIDER best for EVE
Please take the time to work with other "wine/bottle" tools and their developers and find a new 3rd party to assist in supporting EVE on the all major OSs
xoxo
Amarisen Gream
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Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.06 08:50:59 -
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This latest patch (15.02.05) has made my EVE Client so unstable that it is unplayable.
I have submitted a support ticket for this.
I have had problems running EVE ever since I got my new iMac:
2014 27" 5K Retina
4 GHz i7
16GB DDR3
AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB
Running 10.10.2
Prior to this patch, the client would crash in various ways a couple of times a day under a diverse number of circumstances, however the most common one involves an OSX Error window about a graphics error followed by the client freezing and requiring a hard quit.
Prior to this current iMac, I was using an older 2009 iMac running Mavericks. It was relatively stable but did still have problems from time to time with the client crashing, with and without errors.
But NOW, as of 15.02.05, the client is so unstable that it crashes/closes/freezes every 15-20 minutes during any number of situations (mostly seems to have problems swapping sessions). Now, sometimes the launcher won't open (spinning beachball), can't connect, or the client window simply closes with no warning/error. Other times the graphics get all scrambled and either entirely or partially disappear.
It is really disappointing that such a great game can't run on the newest high-end Apple computer, since this game was why I bought the new computer in the first place.
That's a LOT of money and time (not even counting the two subs I have) to spend just to feel irritated.
What's the plan, CCP? |
Wirrarika Ajaw
KLSHOLDINGS Corporation
3
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Posted - 2015.02.10 10:55:27 -
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Hi,
i updated my osx to development version 10.10.3 yesterday which made the eve client unable to work. It's developer version, so one can expect such behaviour, however being unable to play Eve is the worst part of it :)
If reinstalling your system back to previous version is a no go for u, i would like to note, that the process with installing/running eve through wine, as described in this post https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=308083&find=unread still works and solves the issues with broken gfx, it will take couple hours depending on your connection though...
hope it helps o7 |
Erin Crawford
455
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Posted - 2015.02.14 10:28:16 -
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Sandor Kurovsky wrote:
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What's the plan, CCP?
I'm starting to suspect they don't have one...
"Those who know donGÇÖt talk. Those who talk donGÇÖt know."
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Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4063
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Posted - 2015.02.16 06:34:45 -
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Sandor Kurovsky wrote:AMD Radeon R9 M295X 4096 MB
The patch notes indicate there's a AMD Radeon driver update in Tiamat. Hoping this applies to Mac users...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.16 12:20:26 -
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For those of you who are running the newest iMacs or anything with OSX 10.10.#, be aware that, per the response on my support ticket: "CCP does not support OSX 10.10.#. We recommend you downgrade to 10.8 or 10.9"
Except for the fact that the newest hardware WON'T RUN on OSXs prior to Yosemite(10.10.#) - per Apple Tech Support, that 's a great idea!
No timeline for Yosemite support. They say they are "working with TransGaming (the folks who are in charge of the absolutely horrid CIDER implementation) to start supporting OSX 10.10.#"
So, we can do a couple of things while we wait and hope that Apple's next OSX release (and associated hardware) doesn't happen before CCP supports what is out now:
Install and boot into a Windows environment (not sure what the latest version CCP supports) and run the game. (This means BUYING Windows).
Try to install and run the Linux WINE environment and run the game.
I've read that the WINE solution comes with its own problems but at least is reasonably stable.
The Windows solution seems to be the best way to run the game in the "native" package and is the fastest and best running.
So, what to do?
I REALLY don't want to put a Microsoft product on my iMac, not to mention I'm not even sure it would run properly given the current 5K retina architecture.
Maybe, as Arthur points out, the new AMD Radeon driver that is coming in Tiamat, will solve many of these problems? Considering 90% of my problems are graphics related:
"Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524"
I can only hope so.
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Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.16 13:10:59 -
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I decided to look at the history of what CCP is supporting as far as Operating Systems:
Minimum:
Windows XP Service Pack2/Vista - released August 25, 2004/October 22, 2009
OSX 10.7.5 - released September 19, 2012
Recommended:
Windows 7/8 - released October 22, 2009/October-á26, 2012
OSX 10.8.2 - released September 19, 2012
NOT Supported:
Windows 8.1 - released October 17, 2013
OSX 10.9 - released October 22, 2013 (this is peculiar since CCPs webpage does not indicate 10.9 support even though they told me in an e-mail that is was supported)
OSX 10.10 - released July 24, 2014
Clearly, CCP is running about 2-2.5 year behind in their support of OSs, given that the last official ones they support were released within a month of each other in late 2012.
It is almost comical that they still support Windows XP from 2004 (especially since Microsoft doesn't even support it any more), but hey.....that's when EVE Online was created, right?
I will give them credit, however, since they DID say they are working on Yosemite support but cannot yet give a timeline. |
Cliverunner
EVE University
Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2015.02.16 21:41:36 -
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Sandor Kurovsky wrote:
I will give them credit, however, since they DID say they are working on Yosemite support but cannot yet give a timeline.
That is actually good news. It is the first time I have heard of anyone being told that they are even working on the issue. I was starting to fear they were just going to drop the Mac when I didn't see anything about it in the release notes for tomorrow.
I find it interesting that they say they don't support Windows 8.1...that seems really odd. |
Arthur Aihaken
X A X
4063
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Posted - 2015.02.16 22:27:44 -
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Sandor Kurovsky wrote:Maybe, as Arthur points out, the new AMD Radeon driver that is coming in Tiamat, will solve many of these problems? Considering 90% of my problems are graphics related:
"Unhandled page fault on read access to 0x00000024 at address 0x7001c524"
I haven't had that error in a while, but here's what I did to solve it on my end:
1. Open Settings and tab to "Display & Graphics".
2. Disable the "Use multithreaded OpenGL" option.
I'll let you know if I'm able to use the "High" shader setting tomorrow after Tiamat (as well if I still run into any occasional crashes).
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Sandor Kurovsky
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.02.19 06:35:55 -
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I thought I would let all of you wonderful Apple folks know that I have contacted TransGaming directly to inquire about OSX Yosemite support in their CIDER implementation and their timeline to provide it.
Do I expect them to respond? NO, but the squeaky wheel gets the grease and I'm one hell of a squeaky wheel. |
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Niko Zino
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.02.19 11:04:56 -
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Just FYI, I'm using a beta version of Yosemite (being a dev), and it works just fine using the wine way highlighted in that other forum post : https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4246623#post4246623
No instability to speak of.
However, YES, it's sucky that it doesn't work out of the box for a mac without using tricks. There is no planned support for DirectX on the mac, and the cost of transitioning away from it is prohibitive for most game developers. Cross-platform systems like Unity etc would likely suffer from performance issues, given the current art of the game.
So yea, my hopes are small we'll ever have a native port, and cider dependency is yucky. Use wine. |
Paupiette Devos
Never Surrender.
0
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Posted - 2015.02.27 10:08:21 -
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Did anyone try to run Eve in a Virtual machine like VMWare or Virtual box ?
I'm really bored with Eve Client under Yosemite, cause it makes my mac heat like a b**** and running multiple client instances is just the best way to burn my CPU down...
Alt-tab freezes the whole system really often. I lost several ships because of this.
Oh and NO, I won't downgrade my OS on my pro laptop because of a game...that won't happen. |
Paupiette Devos
Never Surrender.
0
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Posted - 2015.02.27 15:48:33 -
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I'm trying to apply this method.
It seems to work better for the moment.
The game is reacting way faster and I had no crash on alt-tab. |
Enrique d'Ancourt
Eagle's Warrior's
Eyrie Alliance
3
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Posted - 2015.03.02 09:10:43 -
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Paupiette Devos wrote:I'm trying to apply this method. It seems to work better for the moment. The game is reacting way faster and I had no crash on alt-tab.
Did this on a MacPro (late 2013) with two clients. described on page 4 of this thread.
How are your experiences regarding running multiple windowed clients? It wasn't a
success on my machine.
Tiamat definitively made the base CCP-client less stable for me, so I'm really curious
for your results.
:) |
Niko Zino
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.03.10 08:45:30 -
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I have been running 2-3 clients using the wine method without major issues. Obviously, if your video card isn't awesome, you will have to downgrade the quality.
That being said, the Sisi version of EVE runs *much* better, on my mac. The team has definitely worked on performance/stability issues, and kudos to them. I encourage everyone who can to give it a whirl and give more feedback to CCP (I sometimes feel like I'm the only mac user during the mass tests, there must be others lurking around, right? ;) |
Chloe Cartier
We are not bad. Just unlucky
Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.03.15 21:47:08 -
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Logan Sollette wrote:I have had huge success getting Eve to run under Yosemite using Winebottler: http://winebottler.kronenberg.orgI used the development version because it specifies Yosemite support. It's easy to download and install Winebottler: 1. Downlo...... ts out there!
I followed the steps above and I managed to install the client without issues (except the one is in the end of the steps).
Now, once the client was launched I fought with the resolution of the windows game. It was almost impossible to do, as everytime that I tried to move the client windows to my HP Pavilion 23xi, the window inside the hangar station was showed all colour 'yellow'... until I decided to manipulated the optimization of the game features to 'memory' and everything was changed to low settings.
Once there I tried to play but is impossible. See when I was in space I wasn't able to select any of the options that comes in the UI menu to that shows the planets, gates, stations, etc. Even when I tried to fix my chat windows (corp, intel, alliance) and placed them in the right position, the client was bouncing the windows from one corner to another corner in the screen...
Anyways, I decided to called it for tonight but my specs are:
OS X Yosemite 10.10.2
MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-Inch, Mid 2014)
Processor: 2.2 Ghz Intel Core i7
16GB Memory DDR3
Intel Iris Pro 1536MB
Sharing External monitor: HP Pavilion 23xi.
I'll try to record the desktop screen later and I'll upload on here. |
Jape Jan Wollie
Terra Legion
0
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Posted - 2015.03.23 10:11:06 -
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For me its working now fine on Yosemite. First I had also problems with the launcher but now it's running great!
Macbook early 2011
i5
HD3000 |
Erin Crawford
459
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Posted - 2015.03.24 19:59:04 -
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Jape Jan Wollie wrote:For me its working now fine on Yosemite. First I had also problems with the launcher but now it's running great! Macbook early 2011 i5 HD3000
Good to hear! Let us hope it stays that way.
Should things change please post here.
"Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
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Valerius Marcus
EVE University
Ivy League
0
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Posted - 2015.04.19 06:19:24 -
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I'm not sure if this is a Mac 10.10 issue so I'll ask here. For a while my chat log files haven't been updating. The timing is about right for when I upgraded to 10.10 but I wasn't paying attention until i had to go back for some info and found no new logs since a particular day.
I'm getting mixed answers from a petition and bug report, and I am trying to follow their guidance on submitting information but wanted to ask in here as well.
Thanks. |
Arthur Aihaken
Jormungand Corporation
4353
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Posted - 2015.04.19 18:52:19 -
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I upgraded to OS X 10.10.3 today and am experiencing the following anomalies with the EVE client:
1. On initial launch, the launcher immediately appears as "Offline".
2. On re-launch, the launcher is blank and no information is displayed.
3. On the third launch, the launcher finally loads - but Tranquility Status is "Unknown" and the character selection is wiped. Entering the character name in manually and clicking "Launch" works, however.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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