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Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:54:00 - [91] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 21:55:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! If everyone gets their money back plus their cost of capital, then its not a scam or even a failure. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. And what on planet is that called a balance sheet? Looks like a general ledger, maybe.
Mung Lore Universal Productions Inc	Posted - 2006.08.17 21:57:00 - [92] UEMA IPO: +20 billion only a little over 8k shares were sold thats a little over 8billion 4.1billion is in a BPO, pless there are 2more billion in blueprints in the hangers, thats 6.1billion, I gave about 1.5billion in UEMA assets to the owner of them blueprints. thats 7.6 (for them who is keeping tract. so in other words that there is around 2 or so billion that is still of UEMA's isk in EIB account. The books will back me up on this once a real audit will take place.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:05:00 - [93] Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:05:00 - [94] Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 22:05:34 How much did each BPO listed below cost Mung? Please list each amount individually. 1)Blackbird Blueprint 2)Dual Light Pulse Laser II
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:07:00 - [95] Originally by: Kenz Rider Edited by: Kenz Rider on 17/08/2006 21:55:22 Originally by: Dark Shikari OK, lets do a balance sheet. I've introduced round numbers to make everything simple. They're not entirely accurate numbers: just want it to be simple. EIBI IPO: +60 billion EIB Bank: +100 billion EIBI IPO dividends: -20 billion EIB Bank Interest: -20 billion UEMA IPO: +20 billion UEMA IPO liquidation (assuming 75% valuation and liquidation): -15 billion EIB liquidation: -100 billion EIBI IPO liquidation: -60 billion TOTAL: -35 billion What a great scam! If everyone gets their money back plus their cost of capital, then its not a scam or even a failure. To my knowledge this has not happened yet. Well thats my point. If Kal does what he claims he will do, everything is over. The game is up, and the books are clean. Thus, anyone yelling "OMGSCAM" should be saying "I don't believe you Kal, you won't compensate anyone!" instead of completely ignoring the fact that Kal is claiming such a thing. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:09:00 - [96] Edited by: EMFI Auditor on 17/08/2006 22:14:34 Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. I will use evidence I have in possesion (EIB XLS Books) to match payments to UEMA and withdrawals from UEMA's EIB account with the UEMA corpwallet and Screenshots of Mungs wallet. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:11:00 - [97] Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." You speak like it's been done already. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [98] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 17/08/2006 22:13:31 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." You speak like it's been done already. Read my last post please. I don't want to have to copypaste my explanation. Originally by: Pete Wilson Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." Has Cally/Kal given the investors back ALL their money... every last isk of it? As I've stated numerous times before, I don't care if its a scam or not*. The only thing that irks me is how blatantly obvious it is that Cally and Kal D'vough are the same person yet some people just can't see it. If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible* that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [99] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I know where you are EMFI....Next time i get your pod.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:12:00 - [100] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Pete Wilson But don't be a sheep DS, you come across as pretty intelligent person and I don't believe for one second you've fallen for Cally's bull**??? I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." Has Cally/Kal given the investors back ALL their money... every last isk of it? As I've stated numerous times before, I don't care if its a scam or not**. The only thing that irks me is how blatantly obvious it is that Cally and Kal D'vough are the same person yet some people just can't see it.
Salazar N'terre Caldari Intergalactic Combined Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:18:00 - [101] Originally by: Taurequis Originally by: EMFI Auditor Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I know where you are EMFI....Next time i get your pod. Glad to see an audit is in progress, hope you and your team can get to the bottom of the he said/ she said crap! "People who think they know everything are a great annoyance to those of us who do." "Laugh and EVE laughs with you. Cry and EVE laughs louder." -Anonymous
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:19:00 - [102] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Edited by: EMFI Auditor on 17/08/2006 22:14:34 Oh right, here we go again... cough I have applied to UEMA today, I will publish my findings on Saturday evening. Any information I might need from Kal or Mung that hasn't been submitted by Saturday before DT, or if I haven't received adequate roles to do an audit will be deemed "non existent" and lack of cooperation by Mung or Kal before DT on saturday will be judged as them having something to hide. I will use evidence I have in possesion (EIB XLS Books) to match payments to UEMA and withdrawals from UEMA's EIB account with the UEMA corpwallet and Screenshots of Mungs wallet. Goal of Audit: Determine how much was given by EIB to UEMA Determine how much was left at the moment Mung Lore left UEMA Give an evaluation on how UEMA was run (mismanagement) if possible. These are my terms and if you don't like em you can ... :P oh and they are non-negotiable and stuff! --------------------- On a positive note.. Mung has promissed to return the 3000 shares he holds of UEMA if he has confirmation I have got roles in UEMA. /me dons a flamesuit I'm not sure how material these amounts are, but they are needed as well: 1) Capital disbursed by UEMA to shareholders (distributions) 2) Retained earnings (profit over the period)
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:22:00 - [103] Originally by: Dark Shikari If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. Do your own digging and stop being brainwashed by long-winded Kal/Cally posts. And it makes perfect sense when the main player has been proved to be untrusworthy and unreliable. Simply replace it with a brand new character that has a clean slate and continue where you left off. And I must say its worked like a charm (so far).
Kal D'vogh	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:39:00 - [104] For all I know Cally could be a scammer. He could have siphoned enough isk from the EIB and exited at what he though was the exit point. I truely have no idea exactly how much the EIB has made or exactly what it it is worth but without the assets that are supposedly in Cally's possession, we are looking at an EIB net worth of around 250b isk at this moment in time however the vast majority of this is in investments - something not easily liquidated. Supposedly Cally has around 200b isk and various tech 2 blueprints. If this is true and he has the blueprints claimed this asset value jumps to around 400b. If he takes that for himself so be it. This was his project and he owed nobody nothing. In fact the public owe him around 80b in isk through the loans he has given out through the EIB. I think that more than anything, should this all be bull**** from Cally, I expect his intention was to make himself as much as possible in a short a time as possible. Here is one theory I have been playing with. Cally Launched the bank with around 100b in isk and assets. That is a fact, but I believe it was his intention to become either the person with the most isk in EVE history or to start the next stage in the EVE markets financial evolution. Could a player run bank actually work? With no governing body, all the complexities of accounts, records, business deals? Well It has. The EIB has always been legitimate. We used clients money to make more money and give them a percentage of that profit in the form of interest. Essentially we borrow money from the client and make use of it on a large scale while paying a low interest rate for the pleasure. Is that scamming? I don't think so. If a scam has taken place then I believe the only scam that has occured is Cally pulling the wool over our eyes about what he actually has from what he took from the EIB. Looking at the business model and books in more detail we should be worth close to one trillion isk - without public investment. The fact that the EIB corporate wallet and that of the EIBI has always been pretty much empty means everything went to Cally on a regular basis but the results could have been doctored by him when published on the database. So there is no way to know the exact figures he recieved. It could be more than a trillion, it could be less. There is no way for us to know and we will probably never know. The only thing Cally has scammed would be the EIB profits if he is actually guilty of lying to us. Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Cally could have posted half of the comments on the EIB issues this last few months. Every single person that has defended the EIB in anyway must be an alt of Cally remember? I know of 24 characters Cally has and not one has logged in these past 2 months for reasons we may never know. All I know is that I will continue to run the EIB, replace Cally as head of the bank and attempt to make it the largest and richest mega corporation in EVE because if I can repeat what the bank has already achieved financially, this could be the case in less than 6 months. Wether that is with public support or not, I am not concerned. We have enough investments to ensure the EIB does not collapse but will infact steadily grow. We have enough business deals to make us isk every month without fail. Being partly public owned served one purpose - neutrality that could hopefully be gained in 0.0 aswell. Thats the only reason for public investment but as far as i'm concerned isk can buy that neutrality where required. Everyone has a price. I have every intention to prove to EVE that we are infact a successful business and we will rule the market. The EIB is far from down.
Kenz Rider	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:42:00 - [105] Originally by: Pete Wilson Originally by: Dark Shikari If it was blatantly obvious you would have proof that wasn't iffy and circumstantial It is possible that Kal is Cally. That does not imply that it is probable, likely, or even makes much sense. Do your own digging and stop being brainwashed by long-winded Kal/Cally posts. And it makes perfect sense when the main player has been proved to be untrusworthy and unreliable. Simply replace it with a brand new character that has a clean slate and continue where you left off. And I must say its worked like a charm (so far). I'm not sure how well it has worked. I doubt many would line up to invest if Kal tried to do another offering tomorrow.
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:45:00 - [106] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 22:44:50 Originally by: Kal D'vogh lots and lots of words And thus the attempt at Kal D'vough distancing himself from Cally begins....
JP Moregain Gallente Moregain Guaranty Trust	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:48:00 - [107] Edited by: JP Moregain on 17/08/2006 22:50:41 Can anyone (who is credible) actualy confirm receiving a payout on a large amount of cash from a deposit account out of the EIB over the last few days? Because if EIB assets are really spread in disarray all over kingdom come (as seemed to be implied by the EMFI auditor) then delaying tactics might actually make sense, especially if they are making no significant payouts of ISK to depositors. You have to fly around, not get podded by cheesed off depositors, put a bunch of stuff up for sale, get proceeds... If they are paying out signficant amounts to depositors then this would seem less likely a strategy. "In JP We Trust, All Others Require Collateral..."
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:57:00 - [108] Originally by: JP Moregain Because if EIB assets are really spread in disarray all over kingdom come Never made a statement about EIB assets but EIBI assets (which is one of the satalite companies EIB alledgedly ran)..
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.17 22:59:00 - [109] Originally by: Kal D'vogh Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Well I did speak to the same phone number weeks before this happened (at the start of the audit) a well planned Ruse indeed. Quote: Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Come to TS with me, I will find out if you are Cally or Peter... I am very nasty with questions and stuff. I will also find out if you are 'someone sent to TS to pretend to be you' :P
Gherrick Firestone	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:16:00 - [110] Edited by: Gherrick Firestone on 17/08/2006 23:18:13 Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Kal D'vogh Now I personally think the whole situation is bollocx. I did speak to a numnut on Cally's phone number supplied by EMFi but this could have been someone Cally got to give me and EMFi a load of bull. There is no way I can prove or disprove the claims. Well I did speak to the same phone number weeks before this happened (at the start of the audit) a well planned Ruse indeed. Quote: Could I be Cally? Of course I could. Come to TS with me, I will find out if you are Cally or Peter... I am very nasty with questions and stuff. I will also find out if you are 'someone sent to TS to pretend to be you' :P Fella, he will never, and I do mean never, agree to such a thing. It is painfully obvious to most, including yourself I'm sure, that they are one-in-the-same. It is painfully clear to me as well, that you would be able to identify that person, as you claim. Therefore, he will never agree. Never.
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:38:00 - [111] Edited by: Kerushi on 17/08/2006 23:38:37 umm... how can u claim that all assets on cally`s account are awol when u have access to the account? Originally by: EIB blog Problems getting into Eve still... Im still unable to get logged into EVE for the time being. Some of you may have noticed today my character logged in, well this was one of the directors logging onto my account in order to transfer some money to the corporation wallet since more working capital was needed. This was due to the amount of withdrawal requests, loans, and floats required for the cashiers. Im hoping that I can get back online for monday since alot of the auditing EMFi needs to do requires me to be online with him, so It is slowing the process. More will follow... he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians?
Pete Wilson Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:50:00 - [112] Edited by: Pete Wilson on 17/08/2006 23:55:03 Originally by: Kerushi Edited by: Kerushi on 17/08/2006 23:38:37 umm... how can u claim that all assets on cally`s account are awol when u have access to the account? Originally by: EIB blog Problems getting into Eve still... Im still unable to get logged into EVE for the time being. Some of you may have noticed today my character logged in, well this was one of the directors logging onto my account in order to transfer some money to the corporation wallet since more working capital was needed. This was due to the amount of withdrawal requests, loans, and floats required for the cashiers. Im hoping that I can get back online for monday since alot of the auditing EMFi needs to do requires me to be online with him, so It is slowing the process. More will follow... he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians? 1 million isk says it wasn't Kal that logged on. 2 million isk says the account password has indeed been changed since that day. 3 million isk says the account has expired. 4 million isk says the account is banned. 5 million isk say Kal D'vough will post another 10,000 word essay that reveals absolutley nothing. 1 solitary isk says Cally`s char was abducted by Jovians (probably the most likely of them all tbh so I'm edging my bets). Any takers?
Kitty O'Shay Tharsis Security	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:52:00 - [113] Originally by: Kerushi he changed his password? account unsibscribed suddently? cally`s char abducted by jovians? Shhh, this is the part where we let them think they got away with it. Cally's due for a surprise reappearance once Kal "I'm your daddy now" D'vogh slips up. -- 1 in 10 chance to win a battleship!
Kerushi Caldari JuBa Corp	Posted - 2006.08.17 23:59:00 - [114] Originally by: Pete Wilson 1 million isk says it wasn't Kal that logged on. 2 million isk says the account password has indeed been changed since that day. 3 million isk says the account has expired. 4 million isk says the account is banned. 5 million isk say Kal D'vough will post another 10,000 word essay that reveals absolutley nothing. 1 solitary isk says Cally`s char was abducted by Jovians (probably the most likely of them all tbh so I'm edging my bets). Any takers? made my day lmao, i`ll take #5 Originally by: Kitty O'Shay Shhh, this is the part where we let them think they got away with it. Cally's due for a surprise reappearance once Kal "I'm your daddy now" D'vogh slips up. kinda funny that only a few think that
Semblence	Posted - 2006.08.18 02:23:00 - [115] Originally by: JP Moregain Edited by: JP Moregain on 17/08/2006 22:50:41 Can anyone (who is credible) actualy confirm receiving a payout on a large amount of cash from a deposit account out of the EIB over the last few days? Yes I think I can help. I am a nurse from a Middlesbrough hospital and I can confirm I was bribed with ISK to let Cally use my email. This was while he was in hospital. After the bus crash. Before getting arrested and sent to prison. (But after he was abducted by aliens.) Is that clear enough for you?

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Ariu Devine EVE Empowerment League Logistical Operations	Posted - 2006.08.18 03:46:00 - [117] Kal, I will take this opportunity to apologize for my earlier remark of 'kiss my...' and provide an explanation. About two weeks after UEMA's IPO went public through EIB, I started to see that it was in fact a bad deal for Mung. People were already talking of 'scam this' 'scam that' as they always do with every public company out there now. I will agree, Mung's knack for becoming postal when posting was a big issue, but at the same time, he was passionate about making this company work. During this time, he had been trying to get in contact with Cally to actually get some of the BPO's installed and locked down so he could start production. But as usual, Cally was non-responsive. Mung was becoming frustrated. Investors were asking questions. The fire was building. Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. At this time, I was upset about what happened. Excuses came as to where Cally was again. UEMA was not in a good position with the contract, which is now known to be totally one sided, and votes were done. Each time it passed. Bugged or not. Cally stated UEMA could leave but assets were not transfered. You came in to the picture at this time and said that UEMA could not leave and could not have the stuff. You said that Mung broke the contract first. Which is not true at all. It was found due to Cally being gone, that EIB could not up hold their end. At this point, i've finally had it. To many accusations, excuses, threats, etc flying around. You chose to ignore requests for certain screenshots and proof, but instead call all investors spoiled children and hurling personal insults. And that if we didnt' like it, to leave. How? When I have shares of UEMA. I've sold my EIBI stuff. Everyone is at fault here. Your PR skills suck, to be blunt. Mungs do as well. And I said things I should not have, but I'm tired of the bullcox and just want what I can get back from my investment. I want to see all the investors repaid as per the contract. The contract does not state anything about EIB taking it over. Yet, with important information I sent to you early this morning, before your posts, you choose to ignore it. But we will see what happens with the EMFi Audit now. I believe the ball is in your court.
Eilene Fernite	Posted - 2006.08.18 07:41:00 - [118] Edited by: Eilene Fernite on 18/08/2006 07:41:11 Originally by: Dark Shikari I still don't understand how you could think that if Kal/Cally/WHOEVER gives all the investors back their money that it could "still be a scam." DS, could you explain why you think Kal will actually return all the isk to the investors? Or if you think he won't, could you explain why you haven't said so before? Before you answer, look at some of the facts. 1. Kal refuses to disclose his main, staying safe from accountability 2. Kal has stated that the EIB can do just fine without troublesome investors 3. Kal has shown to not really care much about investor's opinions
EMFI Auditor	Posted - 2006.08.18 08:52:00 - [119] Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned.
Lord Vager Amarr	Posted - 2006.08.18 09:05:00 - [120] Originally by: EMFI Auditor Originally by: Ariu Devine Then the account 'hack' happened. UEMA was cleaned out. Someone logging on Cally's accounts took all of UEMA's assets, cash, BPO's after unlocking them, etc. It was then found out what happened, explained, etc. And the assets were then supposed to be returned to a 3rd party person I dont know if this still happened fully or not. Cleanning out UEMA = taking 350mil from corpwallet.. which was returned. Gotta love the way people skim through a post, pick out the smallest detail they think they can argue against, and conviently ignore the rest. Selective reading ftl

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