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Andrea Jaruwalski Caldari Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.18 20:59:00 - [31] Originally by: Kazire Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Rib0 i would think that the vultures tank is slightly superior to the claymore's (assuming they fit the same grade equipment), because the 25% extra shield resists do not factor in the stacking penalty, and for a full tank set-up you are likely to to have at least 3 shield hardeners, but probably only one shield boost amp. but to be honest there is not much in it What people seem to fail to understand is. A claymore or sleipnir has the ability to fit a XL shield booster when it has autocannons on. What people seem to fail to understand is. A vulture can regen up to and around 192 shield points a second, requires no cap, and has huge resistences, without any additional ship mods. What people seem to fail to notice is that a Raven with *****torpedos and any other battleships will have no problem hitting that thing when it has the signature radius of a normal battleship and more when fitted with tons of extenders. Passive tanking isn't the best of the best. It is the for lazy ones. KILROCK'S GIRLY SIDE / WTS PILGRIM + CURSE + T2 DRONES PACKS
Denrace Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 21:40:00 - [32] Vulture with FULL CRYSTAL set and ALL FACTION mods will outtank a Claymore. Its the resistances and extra initial Shield HP that make the difference. All said and done, theres probably not much in it between the two. Also, shield tanking beats the 'nacks off armour tanking, and Damnations are crap. Den ________________________________________
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.18 23:06:00 - [33] Originally by: Denrace Vulture with FULL CRYSTAL set and ALL FACTION mods will outtank a Claymore. Its the resistances and extra initial Shield HP that make the difference. All said and done, theres probably not much in it between the two. Also, shield tanking beats the 'nacks off armour tanking, and Damnations are crap. Den Out of curiosity, do you fly a Damnation? If you do and you still think they are crappy tanks you aren't fitting it properly. At all. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
Core Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 23:27:00 - [34] Phoenix in siege mode 5 estamels invulns 1 43% shield boost amp capital shield booster 5 dracliras PDS someone run quickfit on this and see the stats?
Denrace Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.18 23:54:00 - [35] Edited by: Denrace on 18/08/2006 23:58:11 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Out of curiosity, do you fly a Damnation? If you do and you still think they are crappy tanks you aren't fitting it properly. At all. Yep, I do fly a Damnation. Yep, I know how to fit them. And yep, Vultures and Claymores can tank VASTLY better. Think about it - dual armour reps are needed to compete even remotely with the XL shield booster a Claymore/Vulture can fit...lest we not forget the PREHISTORIC AGEING cycle time on medium armour repairers. Corpum-A type you say? Gist X-Type XL Booster, says me. But a Phoenix seems to be the choice for ultimate tanker - speaking of which, do Crystal implants effect Capital SB's? I heard they did not, whereas armour implant sets still give a HP bonus to Cap Ships..... Any capital pilots able to clear this issue up? Den ________________________________________
Instagib Amarr Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.08.19 00:52:00 - [36] Originally by: Denrace Edited by: Denrace on 18/08/2006 23:58:11 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Out of curiosity, do you fly a Damnation? If you do and you still think they are crappy tanks you aren't fitting it properly. At all. Yep, I do fly a Damnation. Yep, I know how to fit them. And yep, Vultures and Claymores can tank VASTLY better. Think about it - dual armour reps are needed to compete even remotely with the XL shield booster a Claymore/Vulture can fit...lest we not forget the PREHISTORIC AGEING cycle time on medium armour repairers. Corpum-A type you say? Gist X-Type XL Booster, says me. But a Phoenix seems to be the choice for ultimate tanker - speaking of which, do Crystal implants effect Capital SB's? I heard they did not, whereas armour implant sets still give a HP bonus to Cap Ships..... Any capital pilots able to clear this issue up? Den Correct they don't. Same holds with capital boost/rep and gang mods not effecting them, just the resist/hp.
Kazire	Posted - 2006.08.19 01:24:00 - [37] Originally by: Andrea Jaruwalski Originally by: Kazire Originally by: KilROCK Originally by: Rib0 i would think that the vultures tank is slightly superior to the claymore's (assuming they fit the same grade equipment), because the 25% extra shield resists do not factor in the stacking penalty, and for a full tank set-up you are likely to to have at least 3 shield hardeners, but probably only one shield boost amp. but to be honest there is not much in it What people seem to fail to understand is. A claymore or sleipnir has the ability to fit a XL shield booster when it has autocannons on. What people seem to fail to understand is. A vulture can regen up to and around 192 shield points a second, requires no cap, and has huge resistences, without any additional ship mods. What people seem to fail to notice is that a Raven with *****torpedos and any other battleships will have no problem hitting that thing when it has the signature radius of a normal battleship and more when fitted with tons of extenders. Passive tanking isn't the best of the best. It is the for lazy ones. sig radius generally goes up to 350 or 360 (not online so cant tell you which one it is). smaller than battleship. And some quick calculations with your raven set up might need some looking into.
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.19 07:33:00 - [38] torp raven has issues with claymore & sleipnir. But 2 TP drones change that. oh and XL tanked sleipnir is just retarded. Probably the only command ship with PROPER tank... but it does way too much damage for tank of that sort. --------------------- Looking for frentix? Mail me.
Vicious Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:29:00 - [39] Originally by: Denrace Edited by: Denrace on 18/08/2006 23:58:11 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Out of curiosity, do you fly a Damnation? If you do and you still think they are crappy tanks you aren't fitting it properly. At all. Yep, I do fly a Damnation. Yep, I know how to fit them. And yep, Vultures and Claymores can tank VASTLY better. Think about it - dual armour reps are needed to compete even remotely with the XL shield booster a Claymore/Vulture can fit...lest we not forget the PREHISTORIC AGEING cycle time on medium armour repairers. Corpum-A type you say? Gist X-Type XL Booster, says me. But a Phoenix seems to be the choice for ultimate tanker - speaking of which, do Crystal implants effect Capital SB's? I heard they did not, whereas armour implant sets still give a HP bonus to Cap Ships..... Any capital pilots able to clear this issue up? Den I think we mis-understood each other. Obviously you need dual reps on a Damnation, it obviously will tank less DPS (I think, you can fit Damnations for over 90% across the board) but it is by no means "crap" as you so elegantly put it. CFW (Certified Forum Warrior) I kill people ingame too.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.19 08:30:00 - [40] Originally by: Denrace Vulture with FULL CRYSTAL set and ALL FACTION mods will outtank a Claymore. Its the resistances and extra initial Shield HP that make the difference. All said and done, theres probably not much in it between the two. Also, shield tanking beats the 'nacks off armour tanking, and Damnations are crap. Den ok that might be, im too stupid to run the calcs, but for tanking sansha dmg id think a claymore would be suited better , yes? The Collective Pwn list
Denrace Amarr STK Scientific Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.19 10:54:00 - [41] Edited by: Denrace on 19/08/2006 10:54:50 Originally by: Vicious Phoenix I think we mis-understood each other. Obviously you need dual reps on a Damnation, it obviously will tank less DPS (I think, you can fit Damnations for over 90% across the board) but it is by no means "crap" as you so elegantly put it. Yep, I see what you mean. My main dislike of armour tanking stems from the achingly long cycle time, escpecially on a Medium Repairer II. This is the main reason behind my switch from Amarr to Caldari (besides BlastEagles and BlastVultures and....BlastRokhs ) Den ________________________________________
Pudoris Caldari Raptus Regaliter	Posted - 2006.08.19 11:31:00 - [42] Well I dunno if this is the best tanking bs but at least good: bhaalgorn high: does not matter med: 5x chelms cap rechargers (36% each) low: 4x chelms large armor repairers 3x chelms adaptive nano¦s for a mediocre 87em, 76kin, 74expl, 79thermal and ofc that boosted with a h00t gangm8 with armored warf mindlink and lvl.5 everything giving a 25,875 % to res, less cap use and shorter cycle putting the repair amount up to around 3k dps with resists I am guessing... but then again I might be to low on that number. If you have a slaveset then you add that ontop of a 10.500 armor with max skills +15% ontop of that for a gangm8 with armored warfare mindlink. To lazy to actually check it atm (should be studying ) http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/2006.08.11.18.24.22.png for a view of a damnation with ok resists, could be better if I had a few selected mods more :)
End Yourself Core Domination	Posted - 2006.08.20 11:50:00 - [43] Originally by: Core Phoenix in siege mode 5 estamels invulns 1 43% shield boost amp capital shield booster 5 dracliras PDS someone run quickfit on this and see the stats? FIVE invuln fields?!? no need to run quick fit. setup is crap --- Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity.
Phish1 Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.20 12:58:00 - [44] cloak
Devoras2 Amarr Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.20 13:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Ather Ialeas Since tanking is such a popular discussion topic nowadays I just got a thought that which ships ingame are actually the ultimate tankers of them all? What I'm looking is... 1) ...the ultimate overall shield tanker (maximum averaged total tanked DPS) 2) ...the ultimate overall armor tanker (maximum averaged total tanked DPS) 3) ...the ultimate overall multitanker (using both shield and armor tanking, maybe even hull tanking) 4) ...best one damagetype shield tankers (for those nberrare "I must encourter this fleet of titans blasting at me!" situations) 5) ...same as 4 but for armor 6) ...same as 3 with one dmgtype ...and so on, I assume you got the point by now. Also as a bonus question, is hull tanking actually possible yet? Im going to rate battleship wise sticking to tier 1 and 2, since its the more realistic and the more commen sight. 1. Raven. 2. Dominix 3. Dominix 4. Raven 5. Dominix 6. Dominix Now why only the Dominix and raven? Simple. Dominix slot setup makes it possible for either 2,3,5, and 6 to occure. Raven excels 1 and 4. To get solid empiric evidence we can take a look at ships setups, fraps taken in this very forums, and in game. You can see which ships do good and which sucks. Now, why dont i insert the Apoc in 2. Again fairly simple. Armor tanking is borked with the EANM+ dmg crtl issue. A nosdomi will beat any Apoc setup at any given time. Feel free to flame and dicusse, but imo its the given fact pr game mechanics and ship tactic. Dev And they call me slow.... hey! Thats an insult!

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