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Ather Ialeas
Viziam
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Posted - 2006.08.16 19:45:00 -
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Since tanking is such a popular discussion topic nowadays I just got a thought that which ships ingame are actually the ultimate tankers of them all? What I'm looking is...
1) ...the ultimate overall shield tanker (maximum averaged total tanked DPS)
2) ...the ultimate overall armor tanker (maximum averaged total tanked DPS)
3) ...the ultimate overall multitanker (using both shield and armor tanking, maybe even hull tanking )
4) ...best one damagetype shield tankers (for those nberrare "I must encourter this fleet of titans blasting at me!" situations)
5) ...same as 4 but for armor
6) ...same as 3 with one dmgtype
...and so on, I assume you got the point by now. Also as a bonus question, is hull tanking actually possible yet?
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CFC Fodder
Gallente
432
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:06:00 -
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Hull tanking- only by using a Hull Repairer (a mid-slot item, and slow as hell), and a damage control mod to increase the resists of the hull (tht only way possible to do so).
 Originally by: Arian Snow
"GTC for ISK" promotes farming of isk to pay for your character those isk underminde the economy and creates inflation!!! Its like printing money in RL...
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Asurix
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:08:00 -
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best tank in game is probably the phoenix
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:09:00 -
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Scorp can be made a real nice shield tanker. 8 mids 4tw :d
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Asurix
Caldari
Finite Horizon
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:11:00 -
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Originally by: Archo X
Scorp can be made a real nice shield tanker. 8 mids 4tw :d
capital booster + siege mod ftw =P
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inSpirAcy
Caldari
The Solopwnmobiles
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:13:00 -
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The ultimate tank is formed by the legendary 'GM Shield Extender', which gives 400,000 bonus (to those blessed with Polaris V of course!) for 1TF and 1MW fitting.
I'm not kidding, it's really in the database. 
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Chester McFester
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:16:00 -
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I guess your not talking about capital ships here, sooo..
Battleships im thinking something like..
Shields > Rattlesnake outfitted with Gistii / Pith stuff. You can get about 17k shield, 70% accross the board resistances and 2100 ish shields every 2 seconds for 167 cap. with a full set of crystal ofc.
Armour > Nightmare outfitted with Corpium stuff. With a slave set, and maxed skills you get like 13k armour before plates. Then its just EANs all the way!
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Deathbarrage
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:20:00 -
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Originally by: Chester McFester
I guess your not talking about capital ships here, sooo..
Battleships im thinking something like..
Shields > Rattlesnake outfitted with Gistii / Pith stuff. You can get about 17k shield, 70% accross the board resistances and 2100 ish shields every 2 seconds for 167 cap. with a full set of crystal ofc.
Armour > Nightmare outfitted with Corpium stuff. With a slave set, and maxed skills you get like 13k armour before plates. Then its just EANs all the way!
you sure that the vindi tanks better then the bhaalgorn? i think the nos bonus should be taken into account tbh
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babylonstew
Caldari
Caldari Scouting and Intel Group
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:21:00 -
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id bet on a gist and crystal set sliepnir or claymore myself
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:21:00 -
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Personally i'd guess command sships do the best DPS.
Sleipnir + Officer stuff must get some stupid tanking. More so with gang mods
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Aram Gishno
Caldari
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Chester McFester
I guess your not talking about capital ships here, sooo..
Battleships im thinking something like..
Shields > Rattlesnake outfitted with Gistii / Pith stuff. You can get about 17k shield, 70% accross the board resistances and 2100 ish shields every 2 seconds for 167 cap. with a full set of crystal ofc.
Armour > Nightmare outfitted with Corpium stuff. With a slave set, and maxed skills you get like 13k armour before plates. Then its just EANs all the way!
Actually, you'll get a lot more than that. If memory serves you get 12750 hp from skills (hull upgrades 5) which should get you somewhere close to 19.000 with a slave set, and a bit below that with a low-grade set.
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MuffinsRevenger
EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2006.08.16 21:26:00 -
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I vote nightmare for hawtness
Originally by: The Wizz117
jeez those guyz @ ccp talk like sweedish nobody will take u seriouse with that cind of accent.
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Majin82
Caldari
Sammael's Legion
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Posted - 2006.08.16 23:08:00 -
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I was able to get a Caracal up to 10000+ Shields
4 Large F-S9 Extenders
Of course it had no resists so you took full damage to the shields from EM.
You Can go far if you have the right skills behind you.
But if you can tank the damage with hardeners 10k could seem more like 12k shields when you really only have 6k
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Toaster Oven
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Posted - 2006.08.16 23:18:00 -
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Originally by: Ather Ialeas
2) ...the ultimate overall armor tanker (maximum averaged total tanked DPS)
5) ...same as 4 but for armor
Triple Centus X-Type LAR + 5x hardener tanked Navy Apoc for the above categories.
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Fuglife
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.16 23:53:00 -
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Edited by: Fuglife on 16/08/2006 23:53:22
metal dude!
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thought the title said something else.
I taught darth everything he knows.
Including the velcro boots trick.
dbp
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Sn4k3 3y3s
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Posted - 2006.08.17 02:47:00 -
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Armor, I'd say an eos with a high-rack of armor tanking gang mods. AFAIK its over 1200 dps.
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.17 05:18:00 -
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Edited by: Vicious Phoenix on 17/08/2006 05:19:12
Claymore/Sleipnir is undoubtably the best non-capital shield tank in the game, a Rattlesnake pales in comparison.
Edit: As for best tank overall, its the Avatar.
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.17 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Edited by: Vicious Phoenix on 17/08/2006 05:19:12
Claymore/Sleipnir is undoubtably the best non-capital shield tank in the game, a Rattlesnake pales in comparison.
Edit: As for best tank overall, its the Avatar.
i think the vulture would beat the claymore in tanking since it has resist bonus, which is generally thought to be better than the boost one, and it has larger shield , larger cap, and same slot setup. Just need to fill up that em hole with one gist x type photon hard ;)
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LeMoose
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.17 06:13:00 -
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but for fighting sansha, bloodraiders, and amarr the claymore totally owns him in tanking but does not vs angels, mordus, guristas, serpentis and so on
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Apertotes
Nuevos Horizontes
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Posted - 2006.08.17 07:47:00 -
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Originally by: LeMoose
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Edited by: Vicious Phoenix on 17/08/2006 05:19:12
Claymore/Sleipnir is undoubtably the best non-capital shield tank in the game, a Rattlesnake pales in comparison.
Edit: As for best tank overall, its the Avatar.
i think the vulture would beat the claymore in tanking since it has resist bonus, which is generally thought to be better than the boost one, and it has larger shield , larger cap, and same slot setup. Just need to fill up that em hole with one gist x type photon hard ;)
not really. the resistance bonus gives a +33% tank bonus, while the sleipnir/claymore/cyclone gives a +37.5% tank bonus
what is true though is that the more damage you are receiving after your tank is already broken, the better the resistance bonus is
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eLLioTT wave
Art of War
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Posted - 2006.08.17 08:02:00 -
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Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 17/08/2006 08:02:45
Well this is the easiest one ever:
1. ultimate shield tanker = Leviathan
2. ultimate armor tanker = Avatar
3. ultimate overall multitanker = Leviathan with crystal set
4 = Leviathan
5 = avatar
6 leviathan
hull tanking a titan will work well for a long time... depends whats shooting you. If you get to where it starts turning red i think thats when you warp/jump out and nothing they can do to stop you cos immune to all EW :)
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Twilight Moon
Minmatar
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.17 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 17/08/2006 08:02:45
Well this is the easiest one ever:
1. ultimate shield tanker = Leviathan
2. ultimate armor tanker = Avatar
3. ultimate overall multitanker = Leviathan with crystal set
4 = Leviathan
5 = avatar
6 leviathan
hull tanking a titan will work well for a long time... depends whats shooting you. If you get to where it starts turning red i think thats when you warp/jump out and nothing they can do to stop you cos immune to all EW :)
Anyone who thinks armor tanking is better needs to try the faction high end of both sides ;)
I predict someone is going to prove you wrong via the use of complicated maths and some crazy ISK to Tankability ratio.
...on the other hand using a banana might be a viable alternative.
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Ghargon
Apocalypse Enterprises
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Posted - 2006.08.17 08:50:00 -
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Originally by: eLLioTT wave
Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 17/08/2006 08:02:45
Well this is the easiest one ever:
1. ultimate shield tanker = Leviathan
2. ultimate armor tanker = Avatar
3. ultimate overall multitanker = Leviathan with crystal set
4 = Leviathan
5 = avatar
6 leviathan
hull tanking a titan will work well for a long time... depends whats shooting you. If you get to where it starts turning red i think thats when you warp/jump out and nothing they can do to stop you cos immune to all EW :)
Anyone who thinks armor tanking is better needs to try the faction high end of both sides ;)
I'm pretty sure a dread in siege mode can tank alot more damage than any titan.
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.17 08:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ghargon
Originally by: eLLioTT wave
Edited by: eLLioTT wave on 17/08/2006 08:02:45
Well this is the easiest one ever:
1. ultimate shield tanker = Leviathan
2. ultimate armor tanker = Avatar
3. ultimate overall multitanker = Leviathan with crystal set
4 = Leviathan
5 = avatar
6 leviathan
hull tanking a titan will work well for a long time... depends whats shooting you. If you get to where it starts turning red i think thats when you warp/jump out and nothing they can do to stop you cos immune to all EW :)
Anyone who thinks armor tanking is better needs to try the faction high end of both sides ;)
I'm pretty sure a dread in siege mode can tank alot more damage than any titan.
You're right.
On the other hand, a Phoenix with a maxed out (gang skills / mindlink) vulture (only using passive defense) is a nice combo.
The main problem is that most phoenix pilot go for cap recharger rather than getting more resistance, it's understandable and totally the right thing to do, but... This topic doesn't specify the 'time' that they have to tank the best out of every other ships, so meh.
Multi 40%++ Amps Phoenix > all.
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Bradshaw Kingsman
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Posted - 2006.08.17 09:21:00 -
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i think all the implant sets don't work on capital ships
Since we're talking 'tanking', can I assume you want continuous tank, no need for doing dmg etc? and are we assuming the tanking ship is lying dead in space? cos you can tank pretty mean going 6-8 kmps...
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Angus Torg
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Posted - 2006.08.17 11:04:00 -
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Edited by: Angus Torg on 17/08/2006 11:04:37
4) Passive shield tanked Vulture 4tw.
1 * Warfare Link: Shield Harmonizing
1 * 64% Thermic Hardener
2 * 64% Kinetic Hardener
3 * Large Shield Extender II
4 * Shield Power Relay I
Siege Warfare Mindlink
Gnome KVA2000 Implant
Gnome KYA2000 Implant
Gives a shield strength of 15k with a shield recharge time of 292 seconds -> Boost per second ~ 130 HP.
And if my calculations are correct, the resistances are approx. 97% against kinetic damage and 96% against thermal damage. Holds forever against 3300 DPS of KIN/THER dmage (1650 each).
Will it be enough for a 10/10 Serpentis complex?
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Rib0
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Posted - 2006.08.18 14:50:00 -
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i would think that the vultures tank is slightly superior to the claymore's (assuming they fit the same grade equipment), because the 25% extra shield resists do not factor in the stacking penalty, and for a full tank set-up you are likely to to have at least 3 shield hardeners, but probably only one shield boost amp. but to be honest there is not much in it
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.18 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Rib0
i would think that the vultures tank is slightly superior to the claymore's (assuming they fit the same grade equipment), because the 25% extra shield resists do not factor in the stacking penalty, and for a full tank set-up you are likely to to have at least 3 shield hardeners, but probably only one shield boost amp. but to be honest there is not much in it
What people seem to fail to understand is. A claymore or sleipnir has the ability to fit a XL shield booster when it has autocannons on.
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Kazire
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Posted - 2006.08.18 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: KilROCK
Originally by: Rib0
i would think that the vultures tank is slightly superior to the claymore's (assuming they fit the same grade equipment), because the 25% extra shield resists do not factor in the stacking penalty, and for a full tank set-up you are likely to to have at least 3 shield hardeners, but probably only one shield boost amp. but to be honest there is not much in it
What people seem to fail to understand is. A claymore or sleipnir has the ability to fit a XL shield booster when it has autocannons on.
What people seem to fail to understand is. A vulture can regen up to and around 192 shield points a second, requires no cap, and has huge resistences, without any additional ship mods.
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Kunming
Amarr
adeptus gattacus
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.08.18 20:45:00 -
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Capital ships ofc, but within other class' I'd say the damnation.. saw one with over 90% across the board
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