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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:00:00 -
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Ranger 1 wrote:Mag's wrote:Any link for info on this? Mags, and anyone else that missed the EVE Vegas Keynote, I am sectioning out the various presentations on my YouTube site for the sake of convenience. EVE Vegas PlaylistThe section where Fozzie discusses the new T3 Tactical Destroyers (and shows concept art) is in the Keynote located here: EVE Vegas Keynote
You are a scholar and a gentleman sir. o7 A bitter vet trying to start anew. |

WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
250
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:06:00 -
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yesterday during DJ Accy's show on EVE Radio in the evening I talked to him and someone about the new things coming up. one thing we all agreed upon is the intrigue as to the method of switching modes with the new destroyers; will it be one button serving as a switch, or will we see a new type of module that follows the Marauders' Bastion Module?
Either way I cannot wait to play with these new destroyers.
on a side note: Tug looks like a brand new type of these Israeli-developed spqce potatoes and its name sounds like a fat american kid came up with it, so it should be reviewed and replaced by a name more suitable for the game of wits that is EVE Online.
I suggest the name "Queen Bee". A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11095
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:09:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Solecist Project wrote:They should name the ship Dia ............ You should change your name to hure. Reported for personal insult. :)
Calling me a ***** is such a smart thing to do. You must be blessed with wisdom and intelligence... as your mails clearly have shown. :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |

Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:12:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Tahm Cruise wrote:Solecist Project wrote:They should name the ship Dia ............ You should change your name to hure. Reported for personal insult. :) Does he mean Ben Hur?
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Yourmoney Mywallet
Jita Institute of Applied Monetary Manipulation
136
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:16:00 -
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Tahm Cruise wrote:Solecist Project wrote:They should name the ship Dia ............ You should change your name to hure. I read this with the voice of a nine-year old boy who's just been taught this new word by his older brother in middle school and is now running around calling everyone he sees Hure when he doesn't really understand what he's talking about.
Also, dafuq. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10118
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:16:00 -
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It's actually a League of Legends insult, from a while back. He's calling you a Brazilian. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |

Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:20:00 -
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Call me old, but I didn't see and have never seen it used.
I have though, seen that film many times. 
Edit: Googled it, all clear now. What a muppet. 
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:21:00 -
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Or he's calling me a *****, because hure is german for *****.
But hey, stick to your weird belief. You might not have read all the mails he sent me and ramona, insulting us to a level beyond sanity.
Sqdly the ISD cleared them from the thread, but I cqn dig them out and forward them to whoever wants to read how sick he is. I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |

Mag's
the united
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:24:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Or he's calling me a *****, because hure is german for *****.
But hey, stick to your weird belief. You might not have read all the mails he sent me and ramona, insulting us to a level beyond sanity.
Sqdly the ISD cleared them from the thread, but I cqn dig them out and forward them to whoever wants to read how sick he is. Yea that's what I assumed after the Google. Poor taste tbh.
Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the lions will ignore you in the savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless. |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10119
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:25:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:Or he's calling me a *****, because hure is german for *****.
But hey, stick to your weird belief. You might not have read all the mails he sent me and ramona, insulting us to a level beyond sanity.
Sqdly the ISD cleared them from the thread, but I cqn dig them out and forward them to whoever wants to read how sick he is.
Well, ain't been back to the old country for a while. Didn't know that was how it was spelled.
Now, if he's sending emails with insults, petition it, and best of luck. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11097
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:28:00 -
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lol he did. a lot. and i would petition but i got two open for a month already....
thanks. :) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |

Caviar Liberta
Moira. Villore Accords
724
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:32:00 -
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Solecist Project wrote:lol he did. a lot. and i would petition but i got two open for a month already....
thanks. :)
you can always edit and append those right? |

Solecist Project
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
11098
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:47:00 -
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They're unrelated matters though. Tbh I am beginning to feel like they are just ignoring them on purpose. :/
ANYHOW ... back on topic!
Let me derail threads when *I* want to! *pouts*
;) I am Sol. I cook my bacon naked, with sparkles of cinnamon on my skin. You are my content, my shiny content - you make me haaappy, when skies are greeeeyyy - you'll never know dear, how much I loooooove you - don't you take my content away! |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
10119
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:53:00 -
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So, after some pondering on the subject, I believe that the most vital piece of information regarding T3 destroyers is still missing.
The cooldown of their "mode change" mechanic.
I suspect that the respective racial skill to fly these things will reduce this cooldown(if any), but some more concrete numbers would be really helpful. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs. |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2014.10.20 14:53:00 -
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Xuixien wrote:Incorrect. Tech1 is about versatility, tech2 is about specialization. I have one question for you. In what way is, for example, a Caracal more "versatile" than a Cerberus? And cost and skills are irrelevant, as you yourself said:
Xuixien wrote:Cost is not a balancing factor... Skill point loss is also irrelevant to balance.
A Cerberus literally outperforms a Caracal in all aspects (DPS, speed, tank, drone capacity, fitting, storage, etc). I haven't checked the stats for the other T2's. But I'm inclined to believe that they pretty much outperform their T1 counterparts in most if not all characteristics.
How do you come to the conclusion that T1 is in fact more versatile than T2 (besides CCP saying they are)?
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
1721
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:24:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:I haven't checked the stats for the other T2's. But I'm inclined to believe that they pretty much outperform their T1 counterparts in most if not all characteristics. The Eagle outperforms the Moa, the Zealot outperforms the Omen, the Deimos and Ishtar outperform the Thorax and Vexor, the Muninn and Vagabond outperform the rupture and Stabber.
The only exception is the Sacrilege and that's because it uses a different weapon system to its T1 variant so isn't directly comparable. HACs are all straight upgrades on their T1 variants with extra damage projection bonuses and their role bonus.
T2 isn't a sideways move from T1 it's diagonal, they ships get flat out better, but also gain additional specialist capability. |

Adira Nictor
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
152
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:30:00 -
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I am looking forward to seeing what these T3 destroyers end up being, it will be a lot of fun to see how players use and abuse them, and the creative ways we will break them that CCP didn't expect. |

Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
99
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Posted - 2014.10.20 15:30:00 -
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote: on a side note: Tug looks like a brand new type of these Israeli-developed spqce potatoes and its name sounds like a fat american kid came up with it, so it should be reviewed and replaced by a name more suitable for the game of wits that is EVE Online.
I believe they said the Tug name was just a codename for now. I expect it will get a more lore-centric name closer to release.
Personally, I'm aiming for Loot Pi+¦ata, unless they actually give it a tank. A bitter vet trying to start anew. |

NEONOVUS
Diabolically Sexy Eureka-Secret Science R Us
940
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:08:00 -
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Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote: on a side note: Tug looks like a brand new type of these Israeli-developed spqce potatoes and its name sounds like a fat american kid came up with it, so it should be reviewed and replaced by a name more suitable for the game of wits that is EVE Online.
I believe they said the Tug name was just a codename for now. I expect it will get a more lore-centric name closer to release. Personally, I'm aiming for Loot Pi+¦ata, unless they actually give it a tank. Totally Unintended Gankfood (TUG) |

Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1331
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Posted - 2014.10.20 16:29:00 -
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NEONOVUS wrote:Jean Luc Lemmont wrote:WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame wrote: on a side note: Tug looks like a brand new type of these Israeli-developed spqce potatoes and its name sounds like a fat american kid came up with it, so it should be reviewed and replaced by a name more suitable for the game of wits that is EVE Online.
I believe they said the Tug name was just a codename for now. I expect it will get a more lore-centric name closer to release. Personally, I'm aiming for Loot Pi+¦ata, unless they actually give it a tank. Totally "Unintended" Gankfood (TUG)
More to the point that way imo. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4060
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:16:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Xuixien wrote:Incorrect. Tech1 is about versatility, tech2 is about specialization. I have one question for you. In what way is, for example, a Caracal more "versatile" than a Cerberus? And cost and skills are irrelevant, as you yourself said: Xuixien wrote:Cost is not a balancing factor... Skill point loss is also irrelevant to balance. A Cerberus literally outperforms a Caracal in all aspects (DPS, speed, tank, drone capacity, fitting, storage, etc). I haven't checked the stats for the other T2's. But I'm inclined to believe that they pretty much outperform their T1 counterparts in most if not all characteristics. How do you come to the conclusion that T1 is in fact more versatile than T2 (besides CCP saying they are)?
Skill for T1: lots of different types of ships. Skill for T2: specifc ship type (with racial variants) Skill for T3: variety of options, within a single ship Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2592
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:29:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:Xuixien wrote:Incorrect. Tech1 is about versatility, tech2 is about specialization. I have one question for you. In what way is, for example, a Caracal more "versatile" than a Cerberus? And cost and skills are irrelevant, as you yourself said: Xuixien wrote:Cost is not a balancing factor... Skill point loss is also irrelevant to balance. A Cerberus literally outperforms a Caracal in all aspects (DPS, speed, tank, drone capacity, fitting, storage, etc). I haven't checked the stats for the other T2's. But I'm inclined to believe that they pretty much outperform their T1 counterparts in most if not all characteristics. How do you come to the conclusion that T1 is in fact more versatile than T2 (besides CCP saying they are)? Skill for T1: lots of different types of ships. Skill for T2: specifc ship type (with racial variants) Skill for T3: variety of options, within a single ship Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
4061
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:38:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote: Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version
1 skill unlocks a bunch of different roles. 1 skill unlocks a single improved role. 1 skill unlocks a ship with a number of roles. Woo! CSM 9! http://fuzzwork.enterprises/ Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter |

Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
5928
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:42:00 -
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Hengle Teron wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:
Skill for T1: lots of different types of ships. Skill for T2: specifc ship type (with racial variants) Skill for T3: variety of options, within a single ship
Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version yeah, at its specific role. "I'm also quite confident that you are laughing and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."-á -á=]I[= |

Hengle Teron
I'm So Meta Even This Acronym
2592
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Posted - 2014.10.20 17:49:00 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Hengle Teron wrote: Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version
1 skill unlocks a bunch of different roles. 1 skill unlocks a single improved role. 1 skill unlocks a ship with a number of roles. oh that's how you meant it...
well technically T3 is 6 skills :) |

somedudeinaship
Republic University Minmatar Republic
9
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:03:00 -
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I am reading this thread and wishing I had popcorn to go with my Dr Pepper 10.
As per topic, if I had a memory lapse and already posted (and clearly just being lazy), I do like this idea of a new tech III ship without skill loss that can change on the fly.
Go go gadget sniper rifle! |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:05:00 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:
Skill for T1: lots of different types of ships. Skill for T2: specifc ship type (with racial variants) Skill for T3: variety of options, within a single ship
Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version yeah, at its specific role. No. This is not true. The T2 variant, such as a Cerberus can do EVERY single role better than its counterpart, the Caracal. And it has specializations, yes. But the point is it does EVERYTHING better.
So I'm playing devil's advocate here. Why couldn't a T3 be better than the T2 at mostly everything?
Successfully doinitwrongGäó since 2006.
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
872
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Posted - 2014.10.20 19:05:30 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Hengle Teron wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:
Skill for T1: lots of different types of ships. Skill for T2: specifc ship type (with racial variants) Skill for T3: variety of options, within a single ship
Except every T1 ship variant has its improved T2 version yeah, at its specific role. No. This is not true. The T2 variant, such as a Cerberus can do EVERY single role equal to or better than its counterpart, the Caracal. And it has specializations, yes. But the point is it does EVERYTHING (equal or) better.
So I'm playing devil's advocate here. Why couldn't a T3 be generally better when compared to the racial T2? After all, the T2 HAC already obsoletes its T1 variant. As far as I can tell, skills and cost are the only advantages of a T1 over T2, which are traditionally considered irrelevant when balancing.
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1341
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Posted - 2014.10.20 21:04:03 -
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I'm worried about the caldari model...
Its not a t3 Caldari, its a t3 Mordu's Legion. And I don't know about you, but I absolutely hate the Mordu's design. Not even mentionning the plastic-like blue paint.
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ISD Cyberdyne
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2014.10.20 23:01:01 -
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