I say no to any new idea that allows players to "buy" standings whether you call it bribes or whatever.

My personal opinion is that they should remove ALL forms of pay for standings and that includes any and all of the current methods used. Negative standings is one of the prices to pay for certain game play styles and it should not be easy to repair that negative standing. If you want back into high sec without the hassles of low standings then you should have to work to repair them. After all everyone always says EVE is a game of choices and consequences why should it be easy(even if it is expensive) to overcome the negative sides of this game choice.

My issue is that many missions lower standings. Doing Minnmitar missions lowers your Galentee standings sometimes to the point where you cant enter their space.

Just another example of PvE risk not being worth the reward.

Getting banned from entire areas of the game so I can make 300k isk from an empire?

CCP you listening?

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When I started missioning I did not know about faction standings losses and while mines not negative enough to be locked out of space , if it was it would limit a lot of other activities (PVP ect).

This is one of the cruxes of the issue. I would like to add that I don't have a negative enough standing to warrant any sort of worry but the key thing here is knowledge.

Now that we know to decline, we decline.

This sort of leads to whole sections of content being automatically being declined.

Doing something similar to tags for sec, thereby bringing another reason to rat in belts in low. More targets, more "Content" or a straight isk charge at concord.

Of course allowing players to buy their way up above 0 standing would be a bad thing

it strikes me as long as someones out their risking their necks, allowing people to cough up a couple of bill for Jumpclone/Refining/Market standings wouldn't be the end of the world.

You know you can say no to missions (once per 4 h), so don-¦t do the missions which lower you standing or fly for both sides missions.

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Ah so now you are saying that only those players that have a few bil laying around they have no use for should be able to take advantage of this? Yet another reason why this is a bad idea, only those with massive amounts of ISK can use it.

Others have brought up the new player that because of a lack of understanding of the game has allowed their standings to get to bad for one or more of the empires. As one who spends most of my game time with new players I can see the value in a one time only option to use a pay for standings to correct this common new player error.

I know there is a mechanic in the game that allows for those with negative standing to "buy" it back up, but since we are talking about changing that mechanic then we need to look at how this affects players all across the entire spectrum and not just those with negative standings. If we are going to change this and allow for you folks with negative standing to "buy" your way back to 0 then I expect to be able to "buy" my way to the higher plus side standings that my play style requires.

I'm just gonna leave this here........



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We currently have Pirate Cone Soldier spawns in low sec belts that drop Tags that you can trade with concord in order to improve your security status from a negative value back to zero.

I propose a similar system of Navy Clone Soldiers. These would spawn in their respectively controlled FW space (i.e a Caldari controlled FW area would spawn Caldari Navy Clone Soldiers).

These rats would drop [Empire] Navy Clone Soldier Tags which can be traded for empire faction standing.

You can only trade them for faction standings "Repair". So the max standings you could achieve would be 0.0. So you can raise your standings from -10.0 to 0.0 with the tags like you can your sec status.

You would trade tags to the opposite faction.

So.....
You would trade Amarr Tags to the Minmatar.
You would trade Caldari Tags to the Gallente.
You would trade Gallente Tags to the Caldari.
You would trade Minmatar Tags to the Amarr.

This would create a system of being able to repair a ruined empire faction standing by farming tags

Just say "No." to pay-2-win.

Seeing as the proposal isn't to go above 0. It's pay to get back to where you were as a little nooblet...

I'll just leave the name of some rare books in here you might find interesting,

- Connections
- Social
- Diplomacy
- Fast Talk (only interesting for misunderstandings in lowsec)
- Mining connections
- Distribution Connections
- Security Connections
- Criminal Connections

If you want to know what those books have to do with anything, I suggest you read them.

To be honest, I didn't read them all so the Federation Navy might not be very excited to see me in Gallente space but the Mordus Legion, the Caldari State and the Empress love me very much

We already have epic mission arcs for some pirate factions that allow you to repair your standings all the way from -10.0 to having full agent access. It'd be good if CCP filled in the missing pirate faction epics and added lowsec ones for each of the main empire factions.

...I certainly agree that these skills should remain in their current state. They certainly help. The main issue in my mind is that there is content that is available (Faction missions) which many people decline because they tank your faction standing. Faction standing is very time consuming to work back up. Even with these skills maxed, it would still be nice to have a mechanism by which we could reset our standings to neutral.

This is new information to me! I'll look into it. afaik you can only run these epic arcs once every 6 months though?

And don't take this wrong, your idea has merrit but a little work should remain. A few level 3 storyline missions go a long way to "repair" your standing.

I donGÇÖt see any problem with a system that allows you to (with some skills+ isk) get you back to a point were you can run the lowest L1 mission for whatever faction. I am all for Risk vs reward but having your mission running from when you were a noob years ago before you even had a clue and not having a reasonable way to grind back the standing is not good. (Remember you can grind your normal security status up anywhere in eve at any time in any ship.)

Of course allowing players to buy their way up above 0 standing would be a bad thing, but I don't see the harm in allowing players to bribe it back up to a beginner level, even if the price is fairly steep.

That doesn't make making isk doing missions more viable or make it easier to avoid standings lowing missions.

Well that's kinda the point isn't it. If you were to do something like this it would need to be priced high enough that, in general, players would only be able to do it for few enough corps as not to make standings completely redundant and that tags/whatever are used would be valuable enough to farm.

This is part of how you can tell the serious mission runners from the want to be.

How about that 6 month toon that has been truly idiotic about missions, yet having a bil to use to repair standings is only a dream. How would this system be fair to them and how would it increase the chances of these players staying in the game?

Trying to suggest balancing any system like this against extremely poor players is ridiculous, if anyone can afford to bump their standings for 50m-100m a decent percentage of the playerbase could simply flatout buy standings for every single NPC corp in the game and suddenly standings are worthless.

Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

Just another of the typical narrow minded, elitist, screw the rest of you comments that are so typical of a large portion of the PvP community. You want to be able to quickly and easily repair standings that YOU CHOOSE to screw up without having to engage in the grind like the rest of us. And yet when we non-PvP players want an equally easy way to build standings you say no way in hell go grind missions.

As I stated earlier I cannot change what already is, but then it really does not bother me either because I can use it to my advantage if I choose. Adding to or replacing the current system with one that can only be used by those with negative standings is unfair to a larger part of the game players and should never be implemented.

Most faction corps have stations in the other empires. Spam them in space you aren't shoot on site with to not get shoot on site standing.

Then you can bribe them at the data centres they run buying tags.


Depending on faction you made mad at you, SOE is also an option. I had gallente really not like me once. SOE missions (unless changed) give a somewhat decent splash faction boost to gallente and iirc just a bit to minmatar. I hit SOE agents not in gallente space until I was cleared for their space.

starter missions and data centers can be done once, then epic arcs 1 every 3 months. I agree with payment because:
1. CCP is always looking for ISK sinks to remove isk out of the game.
2. if you ever intend to rebalance your character that can be a lot of level ones, at one point i was needing over 1500 level ones with skills.
3. the mechanic already exist for sec status

starter missions and data centers can be done once, then epic arcs 1 every 3 months. I agree with payment because:
1. CCP is always looking for ISK sinks to remove isk out of the game.
2. if you ever intend to rebalance your character that can be a lot of level ones, at one point i was needing over 1500 level ones with skills.
3. the mechanic already exist for sec status

Who cares? Not everything has to help new players, it just doesn't have to directly and actively hinder them which this wouldn't.

Trying to suggest balancing any system like this against extremely poor players is ridiculous, if anyone can afford to bump their standings for 50m-100m a decent percentage of the playerbase could simply flatout buy standings for every single NPC corp in the game and suddenly standings are worthless.

Back upto -4.99 for next to nothing? Fine, whatever. To -1.99 for better agents? Maybe, missions are awful and forcing people to grind 100s for no benefit helps no one. But above that? Sod em, if they want the benefits they should make a sacrifice whether isk or grinding.

Faction repair plan. its a thing on these forums its all you need.


you put in the work to tank your standings now put in the work to increase them.

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We can go back and forth forever so let me try this re-stating of my position and see if it helps clear this up.

Any and all forms of payment for standings need to be removed from the game. Since this is not likely to happen because of the cries from the PvP community we then have these.

Any new system of payment for standing that is placed into the game MUST be available to ALL players regardless of their standings.

Any new system of payment for standings that is placed into the game MUST have a cost associated with it that is reasonable so ALL players can afford to use it. There are many ways that such a system can be balanced to avoid exploitation by vets yet still allow new players with small wallets to use it.

What do you mean "who cares?" "not everything needs to help new players." Dude missions are one of if not THE first things new players do. No wonder this game is dying.

Going through the Faction standing repair plan is a) time consuming b) dull as ditch water.

I'm assuming you are happy with said game design?

You're still missing why the current standings system is broken..