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Airdorn
Nobody Loves Us
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:44:33 -
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It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
6883
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:51:18 -
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Nuns with guns.
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The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
253
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Posted - 2014.10.22 03:54:12 -
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Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
Why do you think they're altruistic?
Every day they hire capsuleers to murder millions of innocent NPCs on their behalf.
The Sisters of Eve are a terrorist organization. |
Airdorn
Nobody Loves Us
28
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Posted - 2014.10.22 04:19:41 -
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None of those murdered NPCs look like me, and I'm cool with that.
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Kharamete
Feral Solutions Inc
99
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Posted - 2014.10.22 04:21:09 -
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The Bene Gesserit of the Dune-books was an altruistic organisation too. That didn't stop them from initiating a selective breeding program, without regard for individuals or tribes or whole planets, in order to create their own deity, the Kwizats Haderach. The Sisters of our little universe aren't less ambitious, or more generous with compassion, when it comes to furthering their own ends.
I like to think of them as Mother Theresas with guns. And everyone knows that Mother Theresa was far from benign.
CCP FoxFour: "... the what button... oh god I didn't even know that existed. BRB."
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Airdorn
Nobody Loves Us
28
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Posted - 2014.10.22 04:32:36 -
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Kharamete wrote:The Bene Gesserit of the Dune-books was an altruistic organisation too. That didn't stop them from initiating a selective breeding program, without regard for individuals or tribes or whole planets, in order to create their own deity, the Kwizats Haderach. The Sisters of our little universe aren't less ambitious, or more generous with compassion, when it comes to furthering their own ends.
I like to think of them as Mother Theresas with guns. And everyone knows that Mother Theresa was far from benign.
Well, Dune is science fiction, right out of Herbert's drug-induced twisted mind.
Eve is real.
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Trey Kutoi
Nyarlthotep Holdings Ltd.
4
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Posted - 2014.10.22 04:41:29 -
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Airdorn wrote:Kharamete wrote:The Bene Gesserit of the Dune-books was an altruistic organisation too. That didn't stop them from initiating a selective breeding program, without regard for individuals or tribes or whole planets, in order to create their own deity, the Kwizats Haderach. The Sisters of our little universe aren't less ambitious, or more generous with compassion, when it comes to furthering their own ends.
I like to think of them as Mother Theresas with guns. And everyone knows that Mother Theresa was far from benign. Well, Dune is science fiction, right out of Herbert's drug-induced twisted mind. Eve is real.
"It was so real, it was like.... like I was there"
To be honest, one man's pirate is another man's privateer. While the Servant Sisters of Eve have an altruistic side, I don't think the entirety of it can be judged either way. There's a mission to kill bounty hunters from Mordu's legion, that was apparently contracted from within the SoE to your mission agent, and another to destroy a humanitarian convoy, so its not all rosey.
It's easier to list its vessels in ISIS as a pirate vessel/faction because the groundwork already exists, as ORE is the only other faction that produces vessels, and none of theirs are explicitly combat vessels, whereas the SoE ones have a strong emphasis on combat or 'pre-emptive self defense' |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
2010
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Posted - 2014.10.22 05:00:00 -
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Fyp
There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people...
CCP Goliath wrote:
Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1153
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Posted - 2014.10.22 06:07:30 -
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Not only that they do not have beards, eye patches, parrots, hooks, peg legs or punctuate every sentence with "Ahrrrrr".
They are "Pirates" because their ships use design features from more than one faction and that breaks EVE fair copyright use agreements and hence they are "Pirates".
That does not mean they are evil. In Australia for example 10's of 1000's of people subscribe to and buy content from overseas companies like netflix in the US. Because purchasing movies and music overseas is bypassing an Australian government established monopoly that allows a couple of media millionaires to make a killing on media content in Australia they are deemed "pirates" but that does not make them evil or malicious. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
1727
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Posted - 2014.10.22 06:13:08 -
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Didn't you read The Burning Life? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
5576
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Posted - 2014.10.22 08:01:44 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
They are indeed pirates. They got some really bad habits.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
5384
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Posted - 2014.10.22 11:14:13 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
They are indeed pirates. They got some really bad habits.
I see what you did there...
I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:15:34 -
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Any faction that holds sovereignty outside of Empire Space is considered a Pirate faction by tecnicality, since they can opperate outside of empire influence. The Sisters hold a small constellation of systems in Pure Blind, and therefor, are pirates.
Plus, SOE is not exactly on friendly terms with the Amarr and the Caldari, so it wouldn't be a stretch if they considered them to be pirates. I often get asked to shoot Amarr Navy ships non-chalantely by SOE, so it is justifiable. |
Arronicus
Bitter Lemons
Brothers of Tangra
1177
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:21:00 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Any faction that holds sovereignty outside of Empire Space is considered a Pirate faction by tecnicality, since they can opperate outside of empire influence. The Sisters hold a small constellation of systems in Pure Blind, and therefor, are pirates.
Plus, SOE is not exactly on friendly terms with the Amarr and the Caldari, so it wouldn't be a stretch if they considered them to be pirates. I often get asked to shoot Amarr Navy ships non-chalantely by SOE, so it is justifiable.
The whole 'pirate faction' category is a little inconsistent. I believe in the case you are referring to, ship classifications, it is for any non tech 2, non tech 1, non faction navy ship. But then look at ORE, ORE holds nullsec sov, and isn't a pirate faction, so Wendrika's definition falls through. Consulting with the Eve wiki, SoE is not listed as a pirate faction, but then neither is Mordu's legion, so there you go.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:42:32 -
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ORE is another beast in itself. They are well organized enough to be considered an empire faction of their own like the Jove. Not to mention their neutrality, since we all know just how well their ships perform in combat situations. If not for their Gallente background they would be considered absolute neutral like CONCORD and InterBus.
Plus, citing EVE Wiki as a source. EVE Wiki is vastly imcomplete in terms of the information it provides. Their information regarding SOE is bare-bones at best.
If your idea of a pirate is a rum-drinking rapscallion smugler, as opposed to a free agent outside of empire influence, then yes, SOE is not a pirate faction. |
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1776
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Posted - 2014.10.22 14:42:41 -
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Well, actually... SoE can be pretty sketchy.
> ISD LackOfFaith
> Captain
> Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
> Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to Eve Mail or anything other than the forums.
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Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:00:53 -
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Trey Kutoi wrote: 'pre-emptive self defense'
I really like this way of putting it.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
349
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:02:54 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
ONOES
A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
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Deacon Abox
Justified Chaos
Spaceship Bebop
390
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:05:01 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:Any faction that holds sovereignty outside of Empire Space is considered a Pirate faction by tecnicality, since they can opperate outside of empire influence. The Sisters hold a small constellation of systems in Pure Blind, and therefor, are pirates.
Plus, SOE is not exactly on friendly terms with the Amarr and the Caldari, so it wouldn't be a stretch if they considered them to be pirates. I often get asked to shoot Amarr Navy ships non-chalantely by SOE, so it is justifiable.
As with many things in the eve backstory it does not make sense. For instance why are they in Pure Blind close to Caldari space when they are so interested in the Eve Gate, or whatever it is, which is over in Amarr lowsec, or wherever. Shows you how much I, and I suspect many others, follow this stuff since it seems so incoherent. Yeah, I know I'm in FW.
CCP, there are off buttons for ship explosions, missile effects, turret effects, etc. "Immersion" does not seem to be harmed by those. So, [u]please[/u] give us a persisting-áoff button for the jump gate and autoscan visuals.
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Jace Sarice
17308
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:06:07 -
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That's because they are a pirate faction.
This is EVE. Nobody is altruistic. |
Jean Luc Lemmont
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
104
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:15:39 -
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Stupid double post.
A bitter vet trying to start anew.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:28:46 -
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Deacon Abox wrote:As with many things in the eve backstory it does not make sense. For instance why are they in Pure Blind close to Caldari space when they are so interested in the Eve Gate, or whatever it is, which is over in Amarr lowsec, or wherever. Shows you how much I, and I suspect many others, follow this stuff since it seems so incoherent. Yeah, I know I'm in FW.
Funny thing about that. You wouldn't realise it at first glance but SOE ships are a technological mash of Amarr, Gallente AND Caldari ship design. With the Caldari technology being dominant.
The core technology that makes the Astero and the Stratios the cloaked menace they are, is actually their propulsion systems, that were squeezed and modified intensively to not only promote performance, retain warp capacity while cloaked and enjoy plenty of cargohold space. Their ship's warp cores are kept inside cylinders barely outside the hull and seperated from the engine machinery for this reason alone. To reduce warp core interference from the ship's cloaking devices.
Their proximity to Caldari space is probably due to the relation SOE has with Propel Dynamics, the corporation responsible for the main breakthroughs for the Astero and the Stratios mobility. Sanctuary has no doubt contacts with Caldari corporations, and the opperate accross all four empires, despite strained relations with the Amarr and the Caldari. The reliance in drones and energy turrets for weaponry however, was borrowed from the Gallente and Amarr doctrines and are actually very unimportant for the ship's main function as an exploration vessel. The Astero itself is flexible enough to use different weapon turret types, or most of the time, no weapons at all aside from drones.
I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome. |
Darth Bladius
Angels and Demons Inc.
Mordus Angels
28
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:49:08 -
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Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain-¦t part of five main empires". |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries
VOID Intergalactic Forces
145
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Posted - 2014.10.22 15:51:53 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Not only that they do not have beards, eye patches, parrots, hooks, peg legs or punctuate every sentence with "Ahrrrrr".
They are "Pirates" because their ships use design features from more than one faction and that breaks EVE fair copyright use agreements and hence they are "Pirates".
That does not mean they are evil. In Australia for example 10's of 1000's of people subscribe to and buy content from overseas companies like netflix in the US. Because purchasing movies and music overseas is bypassing an Australian government established monopoly that allows a couple of media millionaires to make a killing on media content in Australia they are deemed "pirates" but that does not make them evil or malicious.
having different companies produce different parts of a ship doesnt make them pirates.
in that case Concord are pirates.
SOE just noted who the best people were to build certain things like our aircraft industry in the realworld, they will use multiple companies for an engine and end up switching contracts if 1 if better then the other.
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
1611
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Posted - 2014.10.22 19:41:18 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
made so much better by the fact they use the Empires Holy Fire, its like someone at CCP buys overpriced miniatures from a greedy british company or something |
Lothros Andastar
The Minutemen
The Bastion
180
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Posted - 2014.10.22 23:57:56 -
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Darth Bladius wrote:Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain-¦t part of five main empires".
Jove don't exist. |
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
1153
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:11:33 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain-¦t part of five main empires". Jove don't exist.
It is worth noting that amongst the more common and recognizable symbols on the Stratios there is one unidentified one that bears a striking resemblance to Polaris Corp the enigmatic Jove/Developer run corp.
In terms of the OP, anything that sources more than one faction is "pirate". |
stoicfaux
5336
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:26:55 -
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Given how cozy SoE is with rogue drones, pirate may be too polite of a term.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Serene Repose
1562
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Posted - 2014.10.23 02:55:11 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns. Yer too FAST for meh.
I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility toward every form of tyranny over the mind of man.-á
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc
Test Alliance Please Ignore
1868
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Posted - 2014.10.23 04:59:31 -
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Kinda like when people refer to Peshmerga as a terrorist group.
Fit a warfare link to your tech 1 battlecruiser. Train Wing Commander. Get in the Squad Commander or Wing Commander position. Your fleets will be superior to everyone else's. (had this sig BEFORE Odyssey BC rebalance)
"What if [climate change is] a big hoax and we create a better world for nothing?" -comic on Greenmonk
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Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
58
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Posted - 2014.10.23 06:07:28 -
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Lothros Andastar wrote:Darth Bladius wrote:Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
"Pirate faction" is meant as something like "ain-¦t part of five main empires". Jove don't exist.
My dear brethren, do not ever forget, when you hear the progress of lights praised, that the loveliest trick of the Devil is to persuade you that he does not exist.
Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why.
Hunter S. Thompson
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Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
5135
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:14:00 -
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Maybe just remove the pirate in game and call them SOE or faction.
They are not pirates. Same as Sansha, and Mordu Legion, and Syndicate, and Krusual.
Recon makes them stronger
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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
1252
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Posted - 2014.10.23 10:49:10 -
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Airdorn wrote:It hurts me to my heart that CCP categorizes SOE as a 'pirate faction'. This altruistic bunch deserve so much more.
That is all.
Maybe you should read the lore/chronicles, there are some pretty strong indications of soe having ulterior motives
I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
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Athena Aideron
EVE Corporation 987654321-POP
The Marmite Collective
6
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Posted - 2014.10.24 00:21:31 -
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We NEED a Fedo pirate nation. Nuf said GG |
Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
718
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Posted - 2014.10.24 03:39:58 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
I saw a movie like that once, lets just say I didn't watch it for the plot 
I'll join the chorus asking CCP, don't take my fancy names away from me!
In the name of the Limos, the Malkuth, and the Arbalest, so help me pod
- Mara Rinn
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Daniel Jackson
Liandri Sanctuary Corps
Liandri Covenant
40
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Posted - 2014.10.24 04:49:17 -
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Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome.
tell us about the nestor please i enjoyed reading your statement
I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
57
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Posted - 2014.10.24 13:20:26 -
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Daniel Jackson wrote:Wendrika Hydreiga wrote:I really like SOE ships, and SOE as a faction, if you haven't noticed already. And don't get me started on the Nestor, else I won't shut up about the reasons the darn thing is so awesome. tell us about the nestor please i enjoyed reading your statement
Oh the Nestor, where to begin? It is no doubt a beautiful ship, and no doubt more than person thought that "something" was keeping the Nestor from reaching the same potential of her sisters.
The Nestor is rife with modifications and design artifacts done to the hull to accomodate the different design directions SOE took during the Nestor's development, but the number one key purpose of the creation of the Nestor was to create New Eden's first Covert Ops Exploration Battleship. The same technology used to make the Astero and the Stratios possible was employed on the Nestor, including changes to the warp core placement, propulsion systems and performance tweaks in order to reduce the interference with a Covert Ops Cloaking Device with the Nestor's warp cores. The result was an incredebly light, agile and spacious Battleship class vessel capable of traversing wormholes with minimal stability loss done to them.
But the Nestor still couldn't fit a Covert Ops Cloaking Device even after all the modification done to it. A warp core capable of moving a Battleship lets out too much intereference to the cloaking device. So SOE scrapped the idea and invested in transforming the Nestor into a support logistics ship, and instead of starting from scratch, they picked up from where they were and used the heavily modified prototype hull as basis. This allowed it to retain a lot of the work done to the Nestor, including the subsystems borrowed from the Astero and Stratios.
Perhaps what makes the Nestor special is her role as a Master of None ship. Logistics, support, offensive, defensive, exploration. The Nestor is capable of filling a myriad of roles, and it is most famously known as a capable fleet flagship. But it is also sturdy, capable of meshing drones and large laser turrets, and employ them from a distance. Recently the unused shuttle bay (an artifact from the initial attemps to make the Nestor an exploration ship, still visible in the lower deck of the ship) was finaly give a purpose in the form of a maintenance bay, further cementing it's role as a support ship. Still, there are a lot of voices saying the Nestor is still missing something to reach her full potential, and a lot of guess work went to finding that out with no avail.
Trust me, if I had the ISK, the skills, and even a silver of tolerance towards armor tanking, I'd get a Nestor and go on Highsec adventures with it. And the ship is beautiful, even if it underperforms when compared to other Battleships with a smaller price tag.
And this is why the Servant Sisters of EVE are my favourite Pirate Faction. |
Erin Crawford
321
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Posted - 2014.10.24 13:55:17 -
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Quote:S.O.E. as pirate faction? <-- The HORROR
The real horror is that we are missing the SOE BC.
SOE needs to build a battle cruiser, just as there is the Ferox - a bigger version of the Moa, or the Drake - a bigger version of the Caracal. SOE need to build a BC - the Ferox, Hurricane, Drake version from SOE!
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stoicfaux
5342
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:12:52 -
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Erin Crawford wrote:Quote:S.O.E. as pirate faction? <-- The HORROR The real horror is that we are missing the SOE BC. SOE needs to build a battle cruiser, just as there is the Ferox - a bigger version of the Moa, or the Drake Thorax - a bigger version of the Caracal Iteron V. SOE need to build a BC - the Ferox, Hurricane, Drake Thorax, Iteron, Nightmare version from SOE!
FTFY.
WASABI: Warp Acceleration System Ancillary Boost Injected(Gäó)
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Erin Crawford
321
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:39:22 -
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forgot... also a SOE Destroyer. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
933
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Posted - 2014.10.24 14:59:24 -
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actually wendrix, you made a little oopsie.. the propulsion system for the SoE ships was designed by Eyfer & Co.
Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
58
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Posted - 2014.10.24 15:24:05 -
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Xearal wrote:actually wendrix, you made a little oopsie.. the propulsion system for the SoE ships was designed by Eyfer & Co.
Oh dear. Did I missed something? My claim was mostly based on observation, since it is the Propel Dynamics logo that's visibly slapped on the side of all SOE ships, they are a corporation speciallized in propulsion and even the engine trail of all SOE ships has the distinct Caldari blue hue.
Plus, I thought Eifyr & Co. was all about boosters and implants. They don't sound like the kind of corporation that dabbles in engines. But if you can toss me a source, I'd to update my fact checks! Can't be a SOE Ship specialist if I can't get my facts straight. |
Xearal
Black Thorne Corporation
Black Thorne Alliance
933
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Posted - 2014.10.24 18:10:40 -
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Can't give you a source/quote, I just vaguely remember having read that, I'm no SoE ship specialist, though I love my Stratios.
I could be entirely wrong, though having minmatar design the propulsion system makes sense as they know how to supercharge an engine to make it go faster. ( aside from painting it red, they have other tricks for it too )
As for what eyfir & Co. do, that's always been a bit of a shrouded mystery.
Does railgun ammunition come in Hollow Point?
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Soldarius
Deadman W0nderland
The 99 Percent
853
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Posted - 2014.10.24 20:20:17 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Nuns with guns.
Ask, and ye shall receive.
http://youtu.be/QQ_jhw5TuxA
"Remember remember the 4th of November!"
Phoebe. Coming soon to Eve Online.
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