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Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:20:34 - [1] - Quote CCP Masterplan - We're looking at changing three things before the end of the year. First is the intracorp aggression rules - At the moment all members can now freely aggress each other. We are looking to change this so that being in the same member corp does not give you the right to legally kill your corp mates. The main goal of this is to make recruitment safer for the recruiter and the recruitee. From page 70something of just released CSM9 mins. They on and on about Awoxing and basically how they hate it and are going to stop it. Only way will be to have clean api, join and wait 3yrs to become director and then loot hanger..... WHAT?? WHY?? HUH? Discuss
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 6986	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:24:09 - [2] - Quote There's an official thread for discussion: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=382373&find=unread Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:26:09 - [3] - Quote This thread is specifixally about the end of corp violence and it is for general discussion. Not the devblog comments to be buried and hidden until they take away awoxing forever one day. This is a general discussion on if you should be able to shoot corpmates
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:28:24 - [4] - Quote Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different? Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:30:58 - [5] - Quote They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp.
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:32:16 - [6] - Quote It makes sense. When you join a corp, you become vulnerable. One of those ways is AWOXing. Removing legal AWOXing really just buffs hisec. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:33:47 - [7] - Quote Persifonne wrote: They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp. Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec. Duel your target. War dec your target. Suicide gank your target. All 3 of those options are known and endorsed.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:35:03 - [8] - Quote When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think.
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:39:55 - [9] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Persifonne wrote: They shpuld just make hisec Pvp free then since you can pvp anyone im wh low or null. Keep wardecs and duels. Delete highsec pvp. Straw man. Removing risk averse awoxing != removing pvp from hisec. Duel your target. War dec your target. Suicide gank your target. All 3 of those options are known and endorsed. Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP. Risk should be removed for all those daring, brave HiSec pilots who run missions and mine. [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:43:39 - [10] - Quote Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP. Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills! Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish.

Unsuccessful At Everything The Troll Bridge 17427	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:44:08 - [11] - Quote Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online. Plushies Paradise.. here we come! *Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?*
Xuixien The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 1874	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:45:50 - [12] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online. Plushies Paradise.. here we come! Man up! Grow a pair! If you want PvP, go to LowSec! P-ssy! [u]Epic Space Cat[/u]
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:48:13 - [13] - Quote Unsuccessful At Everything wrote: Welcome to the kindler, gentler side of Eve Online. Plushies Paradise.. here we come! Yes, all catalysts come with plushy launchers instead of blasters from now on.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:50:01 - [14] - Quote CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris. No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps. So remove wardecs!!
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8794	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:52:17 - [15] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Because being able to shoot corp mates without concord intervention makes no sense? I can't shoot blues and I can't shoot alliance mates w/o concord, so why should corps be any different? Either pay the war dec fee or lose the aggressing ship to concord. It's not a hard concept. The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflcit and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it. Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such? I "grew up" as a player (and learned to survive the game as a pve player) during those times, when EVE resembled a Biker Bar. Now it's starting to feel like a drum circle at UC Berkely where everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels.
Anthar Peva Hedion University Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:52:43 - [16] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP. Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills! Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish. Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 03:54:15 - [17] - Quote Anthar Peva wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Xuixien wrote: Yeah. Risk should only be added to those psychopathic griefers who enjoy PvP. Someone call the waaaaambulance, they're taking away my easy kills! Hop in a catalyst or a nado and pew in hisec to your heart's content you wimp. If you can't do that, then perish. Yeah. Because it's so easy to kill a BS in highsec solo if they don't aggress. Now we need groups (CODE. started doing this.) or.. Multiboxing. Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought!
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:09:11 - [18] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. Thereby increasing social interaction and player retention. And that's bad because....? Jenn aSide wrote: EVE is a game, the fun is in the conflcit and the danger, not in everyone holding hands singing Kuumbya in peace. The game should move towards MORE conflict and danger and ways for people to screw with each other, not away from it. Yeah, bullshit. Awoxxing isn't about creating conflict, and never has been. Awoxxing was always about the tears. Jenn aSide wrote: Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such? Bullshit again. Eve was not a more robust game 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, or 1 year ago. The state of eve, as a game, has only improved since then. Sub numbers don't get released because CCP used a bullsht conflated metric of eve+dust players in one "universe" to claim 500k, and now stating any number not above 500k would look embarrassing. Jenn aSide wrote:* everyone is encouraged to talk about their feelings while monitoring their rising estrogen levels. You're right about this bit. But the estrogen in the room is coming from the would be tear-collectors, moaning about having to lose a catalyst to concord every now and then. Pathetic.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8795	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:25:21 - [19] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: carebear bullshit I don't understand why people play a multiplayer video game if they don't like conflict and danger. I've resisted the urge to invite mission runners I don't know into my corp because of the potential for awoxxing (which is why I only let friends in and don't charge any tax). After this change, I won't have to worry about that, I can set my corp tax to some low percent, invite mission runners to come (enticing them with access to some things like the abilty to go rat/mine in null if they want to sometimes) and sit back and rake in the isk from doing very little. I'd benifit from the change. It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato), but the rest of us understand that making a sandbox pvp game 'safer' for anyone (except actual true "just subbed" newbies) is bad for the game.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:45:29 - [20] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: carebear bullshit It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good.

Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 8795	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:48:59 - [21] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: carebear bullshit It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good. I don't know what you do. I don't particularily care. But the fact that you don't understand why this is a bad idea tells me all I need to know. You are letting your prejudice (against awoxxers) augment your ignorance (since you don't live in high sec as you say, you are ignorant here). By your own admission I'm more at risk fom awoxxing than you are, yet even I can see why CCP constantly adding more and more safety to this game is bad (even when it benefits me personally).
R0mparkin Caldari Provisions Caldari State 2	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:50:22 - [22] - Quote thats awesome, for a new player like myself. thats the main reason i havent joined corps. everyone says you cant trust anyone. i believe that. but maybe now ill join a corp.
PotatoOverdose Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS. 2411	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:54:10 - [23] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: carebear bullshit It's still a bad idea. Some people don't have the ability to see past their own narrow and self interested perspective (looking at you Potato) I live and pew in low/null. I don't shoot red crosses for my isk, I trade. Do enlighten me on my "self interest" in this issue, that should be good. I don't know what you do. I don't particularily care. But the fact that you don't understand why this is a bad idea tells me all I need to know. You are letting your prejudice (against awoxxers) augment your ignorance (since you don't live in high sec as you say, you are ignorant here). By your own admission I'm more at risk fom awoxxing than you are, yet even I can see why CCP constantly adding more and more safety to this game is bad (even when it benefits me personally). Give it a read. I don't often agree with the mittani, but on this he's spot on. Specifically this bit: Quote: Once you get out into the wider world, our new players need to join a social group. Except that hisec corporations are skittish about letting 'new players' join because of hisec awoxing: griefers such as my own space-tribe joining a corporation and then murderzoning the membership through a loophole in Concord enforcement - you can join a corp and attack anyone in your own corporation, even in hisec. Here's another sacred cow to slaughter: hisec awoxing is absolutely stupid from a business and retention perspective as it disincentivizes players from reaching out to genuine confused newbies. The dueling mechanic completely removes the 'need' for corp members to shoot one another outside of Concord enforcement. Awoxxers will be (figuratively) thrown under a bus, for the health of eve as a whole.
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 04:54:43 - [24] - Quote Corp kick que is enough. Wardecs gone next yo. Ccp dont want players stayin in npc corps they said. Bye war
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1750	Posted - 2014.10.30 05:03:00 - [25] - Quote I like the change. You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game. I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 05:08:53 - [26] - Quote Mike Azariah wrote: I like the change. You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game. I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic. m EVERYTHING you said can be applied [even more so] to wars/wardecs... sooo remove wardecs?
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1167	Posted - 2014.10.30 05:09:54 - [27] - Quote On the plus side you might see a lot less "me and my alts" mini-corps.
Mike Azariah DemSal Corporation DemSal Unlimited 1750	Posted - 2014.10.30 05:26:13 - [28] - Quote Persifonne wrote: Mike Azariah wrote: I like the change. You want to gank, gank, but do not expect a get out of jail for the day card to go along with it. Yes kicking was also part of the solution and yes this is to increase the retention of players and to give them a small measure of safety within their corps as they come into the greater social aspects of the game. I'd love to be able to go back in time and ask Awox if HE/She thought it was a stupid mechanic. m EVERYTHING you said can be applied [even more so] to wars/wardecs... sooo remove wardecs? Nope, I did not say that though I can see how you might infer it. m Mike Azariah-á CSM8 and now CSM9
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 17866	Posted - 2014.10.30 05:59:43 - [29] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought! Not every profession in Eve involves multiplayer activity in space, even when people can be working together. Awoxing, is one profession that seems to be suited more to the activity of a single person. This change will remove a large aspect of the career - kill and ransom the Corp. I don't think the right approach in Eve is to make things safer for stupid people. Educate the people not to be stupid in the first place and/or allow them to learn from the consequences of their mistakes. I hope this direction by CCP is changed. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari LAGL Halloween Challenge
Greg Inglis Storm Planet 1	Posted - 2014.10.30 06:17:24 - [30] - Quote Scipio Artelius wrote: PotatoOverdose wrote: Working together in a multiplayer online game? Perish the thought! Not every profession in Eve involves multiplayer activity in space, even when people can be working together. Awoxing, is one profession that seems to be suited more to the activity of a single person. This change will remove a large aspect of the career - kill and ransom the Corp. I don't think the right approach in Eve is to make things safer for stupid people. Educate the people not to be stupid in the first place and/or allow them to learn from the consequences of their mistakes. I hope this direction by CCP is changed. Unfortunately, new players ARE those somewhat "stupid" people, until they learn the hard way. It seems that they will never learn at all after this change.

Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 17876	Posted - 2014.10.30 06:27:47 - [31] - Quote Greg Inglis wrote: Unfortunately, new players ARE those somewhat "stupid" people, until they learn the hard way. It seems that they will never learn at all after this change. CEOs also in many cases. There are a lot of Corps out there that shouldn't exist because the CEO really has no clue how to ensure adequate content for the Corp or how to guide members through wardecs and safaris. Limiting the awox meta also potentially helps the conman CEO. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari LAGL Halloween Challenge
Luwc Confederation of Independent Contractors Swamphole 266	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:41:50 - [32] - Quote bullshieeet awoxing is a legit part of the game and a while ago ccp even used it to advertise the game. 0/10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGplrpWvz0I&index=19&list=PLF614A7A6461E61E1 for example. http://hugelolcdn.com/i/267520.gif
lord xavier Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel 53	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:42:17 - [33] - Quote Persifonne wrote: CCP Masterplan - We're looking at changing three things before the end of the year. First is the intracorp aggression rules - At the moment all members can now freely aggress each other. We are looking to change this so that being in the same member corp does not give you the right to legally kill your corp mates. The main goal of this is to make recruitment safer for the recruiter and the recruitee. From page 70something of just released CSM9 mins. They on and on about Awoxing and basically how they hate it and are going to stop it. Only way will be to have clean api, join and wait 3yrs to become director and then loot hanger..... WHAT?? WHY?? HUH? Discuss Hey brah, lets go test out out fits out! Come to the sun so we can duel real fast! "DC" when in fleet in a mission, fleet up with some gankers for warp-in in a mission. Then warp off once they hit warp to act like you are e-warping. So, two different methods. A little more effort. Super strenuous.
Prince Kobol 2335	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:44:51 - [34] - Quote PotatoOverdose wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Notice how EVE was a more robust game (and how CCP was able to tout growing subscription numbers) when the game didn't have all this touchy feely crap like safeties and such? Bullshit again. Eve was not a more robust game 4 years ago, 3 years ago, 2 years ago, or 1 year ago. The state of eve, as a game, has only improved since then. Sub numbers don't get released because CCP used a bullsh*t conflated metric of eve+dust players in one "universe" to claim 500k, and now stating any number not above 500k would look embarrassing. You sure about that? QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year. After this it becomes guess work as CCP stopped producing the QEN reports. In March 2011 PC Gamer reported that CCP announced it had over 360,000 subscribers, in October 2011 Nosey Gamer had Eve at appox 355,000. In May 2012 Nosey Gamer reported that CCP had sent MMOData.net new numbers and that Subs were at 361,000 The steady increase was without Serenity or Dust being used to push the numbers up, it was purely subscriptions for Tranquillity.
Desimus Maximus Embargo. 127	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:53:28 - [35] - Quote Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players.
Cynadore 3 R Corporation 7	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:57:47 - [36] - Quote This only affects high sec. How about leaving high sec?
Prince Kobol 2336	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:59:18 - [37] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players. You could look at that way, the problem is those red-headed step children are the people who have made Eve what it is and are keeping it alive. You make Eve into a theme park and it will die because there are much much better theme park games out there
Desimus Maximus Embargo. 127	Posted - 2014.10.30 07:59:25 - [38] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: You sure about that? QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year. Have you ever heard of alts? I bet if you looked at unique IPs those numbers wouldn't quite add up to your thought process. I would bet that with the ridiculous 'the bubble will pop soon (when it was at 550 Million)' PLEX costs have dragged that number of unique accounts down to 100,000. You are using 4 year old numbers and many anti-player activities, events and schemes have occurred. Hell, in 2010 I could PLEX 4 accounts with logging in once a week for a few hours. Now, you have to run Incursions for the better part of a day and on into the night just to get 1 account PLEXed.
Baneken Arctic Light Inc. Arctic Light 342	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:12:06 - [39] - Quote Cynadore wrote: This only affects high sec. How about leaving high sec? That doesn't work, how can you AWOX if you might get shot back ?
Prince Kobol 2336	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:14:40 - [40] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: You sure about that? QEN 1st Quarter 2009 - Eve broke the 300,000 subscriber milestone - QEN 4th Quarter 2009 - 317,593 QEN 1st Quarter 2010 - Well over 320,000 subscribers - QEN 2nd Quarter 2010 - Well over 340,000 QEN 3rd Quarter 2010 - Dips to 330,000 QEN 4th Quarter 2010 - HIts 360,000 but dips a little to 357,000 end of year. Have you ever heard of alts? I bet if you looked at unique IPs those numbers wouldn't quite add up to your thought process. I would bet that with the ridiculous 'the bubble will pop soon (when it was at 550 Million)' PLEX costs have dragged that number of unique accounts down to 100,000. You are using 4 year old numbers and many anti-player activities, events and schemes have occurred. Hell, in 2010 I could PLEX 4 accounts with logging in once a week for a few hours. Now, you have to run Incursions for the better part of a day and on into the night just to get 1 account PLEXed. Yes I have heard of alts.. during all those QEN it was stated that the number of alts were 2:1, so 2 accounts per person. You want to try again?

baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13723	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:16:51 - [41] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Erika Tsurpalen Guns N'Ore AL3XAND3R. 14	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:21:43 - [42] - Quote If you really have to stay in an NPC corp to avoid safaris you deserve to be in an NPC corp.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 17876	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:25:30 - [43] - Quote Desimus Maximus wrote: Just more evidence that CCP isn't letting the inmates run the asylum anymore. I guess they finally realized that money and keeping players around is more important than bowing to the red-headed step-children having fun destroying the game for the majority of players. Subscriber numbers grew on the back of Eve being a harsh and dangerous place. People in Eve don't destroy the fun of anyone. Whether you are having fun or not is totally up to your mindset. If people accepted that no place is safe in Eve, there would be far fewer problems then there are. Reducing the opportunities for people is not the way to stop 'red-headed step-children', because they don't exist in the first place. Surely it's possible to have a discussion without resorting to insults. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and to put an argument forward. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari LAGL Halloween Challenge
Captain Awkward Republic University Minmatar Republic 7	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:28:48 - [44] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: I don't understand why people play a multiplayer video game if they don't like conflict and danger. Its as mutch about the "versus players" part as about the "with players" part. Otherwise we would not need cooperations and alliances. And this change is supposed to make the "with players" part easier to make the "vs players" part more fun.
LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 606	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:29:08 - [45] - Quote good change from CCP.
Prince Kobol 2336	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:32:45 - [46] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. To do what? We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective. This in turn will make it even harder to steal. So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine?
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13724	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:37:18 - [47] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: baltec1 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. To do what? We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective. This in turn will make it even harder to steal. So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine? We will still be able to steal everything they own. Yes us unsavorary types are getting yet another little nerf but in all honesty this is something that we can do without if it means small corps will now take on newer pilots. We can get them in other ways Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Prince Kobol 2336	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:41:23 - [48] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: baltec1 wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: The idea is a bad one, becuase it means corp recruiters get to stop being cautious about who the let into their high sec corp. Good, that means the much more dangerous Awoxers can get in. To do what? We know that CCP are working on overhauling Corp Management. I would image part of that is making corp roles much more easier to understand and roles more selective. This in turn will make it even harder to steal. So what is awoxer going to do? Refuse to mine? We will still be able to steal everything they own. Yes us unsavorary types are getting yet another little nerf but in all honesty this is something that we can do without if it means small corps will now take on newer pilots. We can get them in other ways How will you be able to steal everything they own? The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare. When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything.
Satan's Son Satan's Enterprises 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:45:16 - [49] - Quote Persifonne wrote: When will hisec become pvp free (except for duels and wardecs). Anyone activating weapons on player ship that you arent wardecced to, isnt flashy red or in a duel with will get concorded. Only pvp in lowsec null and wh. This day is coming. It is closer than we think. I'm guessing you can still shoot when in fleet?
Super spikinator Hegemonous Conscripts 335	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:55:23 - [50] - Quote All this means is that more corp thefts will happen rather than corp awoxs and the time to theft will be measured in weeks rather than minutes.

Nalha Saldana Shattered Void Spaceship Samurai 857	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:55:39 - [51] - Quote Everyone should work under the same rules, oddities in them like this shouldnt exist.
Sarah McKnobbo McKnobbo Universal Traders 166	Posted - 2014.10.30 08:57:49 - [52] - Quote Judging by your 3 threads it seems you are vexed by CCP removing easy-kill mode. Why not try learning to fly and fight properly instead of wanting to go after corp-mates and ratters?
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13725	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:00:34 - [53] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: How will you be able to steal everything they own? The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare. When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything. We steal from people who do know how the corp management mechanics work, the vast bulk of the big scores are done on these people. CCP might be able to make the management system easier to understand but they cannot fix people. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Satan's Son Satan's Enterprises 0	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:01:37 - [54] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Prince Kobol wrote: How will you be able to steal everything they own? The only reason stealing is so easy now because the Corp Management interface is a mess and giving permission and roles is nightmare. When CCP rework Corp Management I presume that this will be fixed, hence making giving roles a much more simply affair, hence less chance of being given roles to steal anything. We steal from people who do know how the corp management mechanics work, the vast bulk of the big scores are done on these people. CCP might be able to make the management system easier to understand but they cannot fix people. this, ... nothing wrong with corp management. Have a Brain, and deal with your level of trust you're willing to give out.
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 907	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:02:01 - [55] - Quote Anyone who thinks Awoxing is something that should be a part of EVE is what's wrong with this game. Honestly. People join a corp to group together. It makes absolutely no sense for CONCORD to go 'congratulations, you are now in a player owned corporation! We will kill anyone who harms you without authorisation, except your corp mates.' It's a stupid relic from the dark ages of EVE and it's good that it's going away. You want PVP? You work for it. Even ganking involved more effort than joining a corp, shooting everything and never docking My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:02:23 - [56] - Quote Super spikinator wrote: All this means is that more corp thefts will happen rather than corp awoxs and the time to theft will be measured in weeks rather than minutes. Meausre PLEX price (to keep toon active)---- apprpaching ONE BILLION (and think inflation 4 longterm awox) DIVIDE BY Loot stolen Soon to make a awox EVEN HAPPEn were gonna have to join corp for like 10months to get director roles That means need to loot over TEN BILLION (10, 000, 000, 000.00) ISK for theft tk be profotable than just mining
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 4	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:03:22 - [57] - Quote Sarah McKnobbo wrote: Judging by your 3 threads it seems you are vexed by CCP removing easy-kill mode. Why not try learning to fly and fight properly instead of wanting to go after corp-mates and ratters? Cuz ECM IS OP and no fair fights anyeays
Darth Schweinebacke Caldari Provisions Caldari State 9	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:06:51 - [58] - Quote The thread title and the thought that this ends awoxing does not make a lot of sense. a) It does not change anything in regards to awoxing in 0.0, LS or WH space. b) There are still ways to trick people from your corp into fights in high sec. With that change it will become a little bit harder to awox ppl in high sec, but it does not completly prevent it.
Ama Scelesta 73	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:46:20 - [59] - Quote Not surprised to see it go and here is why: It serves no positive purpose or function and it has severe negative consequences. Getting rid of it has huge benefits and only inconveniences a minuscule minority of players. It's a no-brainer change, if your main concern is the overall health of the game. The main potential positive would be testing, but test fights can easily be done through dueling or stealing, so no major change there. The main and pretty much only use of the mechanic at the moment is griefing. It's not rule breaking griefplay, but it is still very damaging to the game. Not because a few highsec carebears got their feelings hurt, but because it heavily undermines the willingness of recruiters and the players to get together in the first place. That joining of forces is the lifeblood of any MMO and stepping on the toes of a few players skirting with the rules is a minute price to pay to make that joining a much easier task to achieve. It will be good for many corps. It will be good for new players who will find a much easier time to find people to fly with without subjecting themselves to giving a blood sample and receiving deep anal probing, before they'll even be considered as a potential candidate. It will also be good for CCP, since social connections and positive player interaction is the key to retaining players in the long term. I suppose you could claim giving surprise buttsex to clueless new players is somehow good for them and the game. That it will somehow grow character, weed out the unwanted or teach them some lesson, but there is no shortage of that type of experiences in EVE and in this area the price paid for the privilege of freely shooting corp mates is in no way proportional to the massive negatives.
Prince Kobol 2336	Posted - 2014.10.30 09:58:53 - [60] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Anyone who thinks Awoxing is something that should be a part of EVE is what's wrong with this game. Honestly. People join a corp to group together. It makes absolutely no sense for CONCORD to go 'congratulations, you are now in a player owned corporation! We will kill anyone who harms you without authorisation, except your corp mates.' It's a stupid relic from the dark ages of EVE and it's good that it's going away. You want PVP? You work for it. Even ganking involved more effort than joining a corp, shooting everything and never docking Considering axowing has been in the game since day 1 how has Eve survived so long with it in?

TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:30:58 - [61] - Quote Prince Kobol wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Anyone who thinks Awoxing is something that should be a part of EVE is what's wrong with this game. Honestly. People join a corp to group together. It makes absolutely no sense for CONCORD to go 'congratulations, you are now in a player owned corporation! We will kill anyone who harms you without authorisation, except your corp mates.' It's a stupid relic from the dark ages of EVE and it's good that it's going away. You want PVP? You work for it. Even ganking involved more effort than joining a corp, shooting everything and never docking Considering axowing has been in the game since day 1 how has Eve survived so long with it in? Just because the game survived doesn't mean the mechanic isn't stupid. EVE survived the past two itterations of the sov mechanics and those were as stupid as they came. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13726	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:34:30 - [62] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: Just because the game survived doesn't mean the mechanic isn't stupid. EVE survived the past two itterations of the sov mechanics and those were as stupid as they came. Most Awoxing happens in null/low sec and that isnt going away. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
sereneabt 28	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:36:07 - [63] - Quote I think this change is bad. I used to implore this tactic a lot: - Scan bling bling ships at missionhubs - Join said corp and be a helpfull hand (aka Salvager) - Partake in joint missions for a time - Kill bling bling ship during mission and profit It was a very profitable business and required some planning and perfect execution. its a sad day to see this mechanic gone. Love me... Hate me... ...as long as you pay me
TigerXtrm Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:41:36 - [64] - Quote baltec1 wrote: TigerXtrm wrote: Just because the game survived doesn't mean the mechanic isn't stupid. EVE survived the past two itterations of the sov mechanics and those were as stupid as they came. Most Awoxing happens in null/low sec and that isnt going away. That's dangerous space by design, so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that you can shoot your own corp mates with 10 Concord ships watching in high security space. High security should be high security for everyone. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! My Website - Blogs, Livestreams & Forums
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:47:42 - [65] - Quote TigerXtrm wrote: That's dangerous space by design, so that makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that you can shoot your own corp mates with 10 Concord ships watching in high security space. High security should be high security for everyone. Cuz PODKILLING some bro that looted 1 unit of metal scraps infront of concord sounds legitemont huh???
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 289	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:51:04 - [66] - Quote Persifonne wrote: CCP says its cuz players hide in ncp corps[ie their stats on player retention for npc corps == ccps money lost] to avoid safaris. No ccp its cuz of wardecs. Thats why in npc corps. So remove wardecs!! Make ALL weapons deactivate in Highsec... Then allow for windows in ships and the ability for us to stick our heads out of the windows so we can stick out our tongues and go "Nyah nyah" at each other.... This whole thread smells of an AFK Cloaking complaint...
Cannibal Kane My Little Pony of the Apocalypse Cannibal Empire 4403	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:51:05 - [67] - Quote I called it a long time ago. If you cannot aggress alliance mates why should shooting at corp mates be any different. For the most part people don't want to join corps because they are afriad they might loose their blingy ship to a member. Now people can join corps and work together which leaves more war targets for me. When I am back from all my traveling that is. "Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk
BrundleMeth Caldari Provisions Caldari State 289	Posted - 2014.10.30 10:52:22 - [68] - Quote Cannibal Kane wrote: I called it a long time ago. If you cannot aggress alliance mates why should shooting at corp mates be any different. For the most part people don't want to join corps because they are afriad they might loose their blingy ship to a member. Now people can join corps and work together which leaves more war targets for me. When I am back from all my traveling that is. they might lose their blingy ship
Persifonne The Scope Gallente Federation 7	Posted - 2014.10.30 15:58:14 - [69] - Quote Is safaris really why players stay in NPC corps?? Ccp says so, i think its wardecs.. afraid what will happen to my wara when they figure that out. So is it really safari_quarentine??
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 5593	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:16:17 - [70] - Quote AWOXing is a good way to get revenge or say "F you for leaving me to die in that bubble last night". BUT.... When you have a sandbox and some of the kids make it more about bonking other kids with the pail and shovel instead of sand, "mommy" has to intervene and make rules. For some, AWOXing (read: making their game the prevention of playing the game) is their game and it appears that this is being addressed. So any removal of AWOXing or such matter is going to be a situation brought on by certain players. I've been warning people for years about this. Quote: I called it a long time ago. If you cannot aggress alliance mates why should shooting at corp mates be any different. For the most part people don't want to join corps because they are afriad they might loose their blingy ship to a member. Now people can join corps and work together which leaves more war targets for me. When I am back from all my traveling that is. We'll have none of that actually wanting PVP stuff here. Go back to Eve... oh wait. Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Anslo Scope Works 19985	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:27:05 - [71] - Quote Good job CCP. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space 10399	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:29:56 - [72] - Quote Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: So any removal of AWOXing or such matter is going to be a situation brought on by certain players. I've been warning people for years about this. And? Non consensual PvP either exists, or it doesn't. If it stops being a thing, they have taken a step towards Trammel that they can't undo. If you recall, historically that signals the death of a game. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Doc Fury Furious Enterprises 6992	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:31:02 - [73] - Quote My thoughts... Gÿ+ The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode ISD Community Communications Liaisons 3450	Posted - 2014.10.30 16:33:05 - [74] - Quote Quote: 3. Ranting is prohibited. A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents. There is already a feedback thread for the CSM minutes; it has been linked in the second post. Please use that instead of creating a rant thread. Thank you. ISD Dorrim Barstorlode Captain Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department


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