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Kieli Rast	Posted - 2006.08.25 00:00:00 - [31] Edited by: Kieli Rast on 25/08/2006 00:00:22 you will be able to start making your own valuations from the loot during this event Please follow the Forum rules (see #3) when creating a signature graphic for your character -Eldo email us for questions.
vyperpit Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2006.08.25 01:39:00 - [32] why dont u fraps ur wallet, should give the proof of the scam,
ROF''''''''''''''''''''L Amarr SniggWaffe	Posted - 2006.08.25 03:57:00 - [33] if he just shows the ISK in a station trade window that's proof enough. you cant fake it and when you see the number ingame theres no way you can argue against it =S Will draw crazy sigs for ISK. click here
Heikki Gallente Wreckless Abandon	Posted - 2006.09.05 12:12:00 - [34] Albeit the orignal post is a bit decomposed, reckon I don't need that good necromancy skill to add one comment: As Mr. FireFoxx80 friendly pointed out, CCP had some mini-online-press-conference where the comment about scammed amount was "it was less than 790B while still being significant enough on its own", and hinting that a related proof provided somewhere was fake one. Perhaps a few dozens of billions? So no wonder Dentara wasn't eager to provide proof, nor give names of the many alliances who lost hundreds of billions. -Lasse
Semblence	Posted - 2006.09.05 13:36:00 - [35] "A few dozens of billions" is hardly an amount "still significant ... in itself". Dentara said in the Eve-NN interview that he will put a bounty of 100 billion ISK on his own head in about a month. So we will all know either way at that point. He also stated the cash scammed was around 500 billion with the balance an estimation of market value of BPOs, taking it up to 790 billion. If it wasn't for those pesky EMFIs, he might have gotten away with up to another 200 billion cash, he says. (There's a principle of literary-historical criticism which applies here - "if it makes the author look bad, it's probably true".) It is not in his interests to name those he scammed. He wants them to build up their cash again, not have other scammers muscling in on his action. How would names help anyway? The alleged victim will deny it, then what have you got? There's honour amongst thieves, it seems! It is possible but highly improbable that victims will admit they were scammed, since it makes them look stupid in proportion to the amount they were scammed. (Hence, quite a few posts here from people saying they made money from EIB, or lost less than a billion, but none saying they lost a significant amount.) I did see a commenter on one of the sites that reported the EIB scam saying "I lost 20 billion ISK, 2 years of work, and I'm quitting", but obviously it's just a comment on a 3rd party site and should be evaluated as such. Anyway, we'll have to stay tuned for the bounty-hunting and faction-ship events - better than some crappy mothership getting goonswarmed!
WhiskeyDP	Posted - 2006.09.05 15:38:00 - [36] didnt it say in one of the monthly reports that they had somewhere around 170b in assets(bpo's+isk)? and i think that was around mid or late june? 700b seems way too much imo but who knows ================== === wts BPC's - check my bio. Best Collection ingame?
Labtest	Posted - 2006.09.06 18:32:00 - [37] Dentara were an uber carebear for years his corporation Rast had more than 20 people all mining for him. He claimed several times that he makes several billions a week.
Mazare Mircea	Posted - 2006.09.08 11:36:00 - [38] Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 08/09/2006 11:36:48 Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 08/09/2006 11:36:07 Kinda late, but thought i'd post it --> linky On the 5th of August, a character named thoraxhauler was claiming he represented EIB and he was taking downpayments for HAC orders. Off-course a Vagabond being offered for 170 mil - or was it 140 ..., was very fishy but due to the good reputation EIB was enjoying he walked away with quite some ISK - 1 bil .. maybe. At the end of the scam he got into an argument on the Ships channel that concluded in him saying that he will reveal the name of the person behind calli; i thought that deserved the small convo fee, and we got into a group chat. The linky is a PNG of the chat. Whomever is interested, contact me in-game and i will send you by e-mail the entire chat - that's maybe 40% of it. At that time i had considered depositing 200-250 mil in EIB, but having read a few times Currin's ... novel, i decided against it. I had no ideea who Dentara Rast was or is.
The Holder	Posted - 2006.09.16 15:21:00 - [39] You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.16 16:45:00 - [40] Originally by: The Holder You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny. It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Ruffio Sepico Minmatar Hidden Agenda	Posted - 2006.09.16 17:44:00 - [41] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: The Holder You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny. It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Explains why its been so quiet in here lately Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
Kalavoz Caldari Calista Industries	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:05:00 - [42] Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.17 15:26:00 - [43] Originally by: Kalavoz Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out. He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets. EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this: 1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information. 2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats. 3. Everyone gets banned! --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Ricdic Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd	Posted - 2006.09.18 07:24:00 - [44] This Link made me think of Dentara. Thought you guys might enjoy. Warning, some language within the link may be considered offensive to some. Insured Research and Production Services
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.09.18 09:53:00 - [45] Originally by: Ruffio Sepico Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: The Holder You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny. It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Explains why its been so quiet in here lately Actually it has been nice and quiet of late. A hell of alot less random alts popping up in conversations here. Anyone seen Kal of late? Taur
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:20:00 - [46] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kalavoz Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out. He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets. EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this: 1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information. 2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats. 3. Everyone gets banned! Could not have happened to a nicer guy! But seriously, EBaying your char so close to pulling off a scam like this is asking for the ban stick. Looks like I better find the link to satisfy my curosity --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.18 10:48:00 - [47] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Kalavoz Originally by: Dark Shikari It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out. He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets. EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this: 1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information. 2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats. 3. Everyone gets banned! Could not have happened to a nicer guy! But seriously, EBaying your char so close to pulling off a scam like this is asking for the ban stick. Looks like I better find the link to satisfy my curosity Look at the following two eBay auction IDs: 260029405476 280021841125 --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Veleena Amarr Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments	Posted - 2006.09.18 21:37:00 - [48] Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist... ISK was sold totalling ú21,347 7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744 So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night. Alot less than it was worth but ****, I had to sell it in bulk anyways. Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth. I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it. It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!! HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!! There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER.
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:06:00 - [49] Originally by: Veleena Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist... ISK was sold totalling ú21,347 7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744 So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night. Alot less than it was worth but **, I had to sell it in bulk anyways. Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth. I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it. It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!! HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!! There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER. See this is the problem I have with Eve. "Unlimited" PvP of all sorts attracts complete and utter ass-hats like you, who get applauded for ripping people off ("yey I just shat in my own nest!"), all the while you have no concern for anything other than yourself. You scammed, got your reward, got applauded for it, now ** off.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:11:00 - [50] Yes, but it will become harder and harder and harder to do. People do learn (even from the painful lessons) and I think you'll find the the difficulties in doing something like you did again may curb your enthusiasm. You don't strike me as a clever enough (no offense, I'm just saying) to do another scam different enough and creative enough to have the same chance of success. You've proven your a "one-hit-wonder", and for that, congrats. But your going to have to kick it up a notch to do much more honestly. And yes, we all sit on the edges of our seats, wondering in rapt anticipation...just what is he going to try next? Really. Seriously. Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
Veleena Amarr Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:34:00 - [51] Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59 That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again. I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before.
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:37:00 - [52] Originally by: Veleena Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59 That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again. I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before. So...if the amount is less, how will the impact be more intense? Is this a riddle or simply just rhetoric? Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
Veleena Amarr Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:49:00 - [53] Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19 wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value....
BurnHard	Posted - 2006.09.18 22:50:00 - [54] Edited by: BurnHard on 18/09/2006 22:49:50 Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Veleena Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59 That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again. I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before. So...if the amount is less, how will the impact be more intense? Is this a riddle or simply just rhetoric? Neither. He is basically trained to level 5 in bull****.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:29:00 - [55] Originally by: Veleena Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist... ISK was sold totalling ú21,347 7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744 So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night. Alot less than it was worth but **, I had to sell it in bulk anyways. Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth. I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it. It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!! HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!! There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER. I think my bull meter just exploded. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Ray McCormack BIG	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:41:00 - [56] So crass and common. You do to villainy what BC does to comedy on a daily basis. \| The BIG Lottery \| BIG Sales \| 325167 \|
Hexxx Minmatar	Posted - 2006.09.18 23:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Veleena Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19 wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value.... So...what is it based on? I mean, unless your going to go beat someone up (highly unlikely, I've seen your video) I really don't see what kind of damage you can do. So...finacial or "the magic box of pain"! I can see it now... Come one and all! See the Magic Box! Yes ladies and gentlemen, this box is more valuable then money! More valuable than gold! Why no, we can't tell you what's in it of course, but rest assured that when we tell you what it is, you will be stunned! Shock.....er...what? When will we show it to you? Well...soon of course! Soon! Soon so you shall remember us! Wait! No! Don't leave! Hey! Pay attention to meeeeeeee..... Hexxx LLP - Business Consulting Services - IPO's, Business Plans, Share/Stock Pricing, and general Consulting.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.09.19 11:24:00 - [58] Originally by: Hexxx Originally by: Veleena Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19 wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value.... So...what is it based on? I mean, unless your going to go beat someone up (highly unlikely, I've seen your video) I really don't see what kind of damage you can do. So...finacial or "the magic box of pain"! I can see it now... Come one and all! See the Magic Box! Yes ladies and gentlemen, this box is more valuable then money! More valuable than gold! Why no, we can't tell you what's in it of course, but rest assured that when we tell you what it is, you will be stunned! Shock.....er...what? When will we show it to you? Well...soon of course! Soon! Soon so you shall remember us! Wait! No! Don't leave! Hey! Pay attention to meeeeeeee..... unless he is going to steal a Titan, there is not much I have alredy seen. BTW, Cally, you sure sound exactly like Macro Media, so I guess stealing a Titan wont surprise me in the least :) --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE

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