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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.23 08:20:00 -
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To properly value Dentara's EIB scam and place it in the history of Eve, I think we need to figure out how much he indeed scammed.
Dentara doesn't seem to be able to step out from his role as a scammer, and analyze the events in detail. Instead he seems to hold on his egoist rants, claims to "EIB was honest and profitable operation" and so on.
This has let me to wonder: if we can't really trust anything he says, how we figure out how big this scam was?
- Dentara Rast claims to have scammed 800B, and provided a screenshot of 671B wallet (and has confessed forging screenshots when needed)
- Already in late June Dentara claimed to have around 800B (the bank itself late march)
Based on some mentions about his expensive PvP ships, and looking at his , forum post history, we can conclude he does seem to have lot of buying power.
So, do we have some methods to get trustable figures?
- Would Dentara endure an audit to check the balance? Submit harder-to-forge wallet/journal fraps?
- Can we figure out from whom he sucked the ISKs (he claims mostly from big rich alliances, but refuses to give names/amounts)? Anyone dares to admit?
- Any other ways to get reasonably trusted figures for the scale of this?
-Lasse
P.S. Gratz to Currin Trader for winning Eve by stopping this evil scheme (ok, it's there just to annoy DR).
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Kalavoz
Caldari
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.23 08:48:00 -
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I agree that some harder to forge evidence would be very nice for all of us.
Having followed the whole drama avidly from start to finish, I'd like to say thanks to all concerned, it was very entertaining 
Also, respect to CT.. I liked his informative page on how he planned his scam, and carried it through, it was so much more dignified than Dentara's victory rant (and a lot more understandable, too).
And no DS, I'm not a CT alt 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.23 09:17:00 -
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 Originally by: Kalavoz
I agree that some harder to forge evidence would be very nice for all of us.
Having followed the whole drama avidly from start to finish, I'd like to say thanks to all concerned, it was very entertaining
Also, respect to CT.. I liked his informative page on how he planned his scam, and carried it through, it was so much more dignified than Dentara's victory rant (and a lot more understandable, too).
And no DS, I'm not a CT alt
All very true.
Blindly believing Dentara's claim seems silly. He claims the majority of the taken ISK came from alliances. The only way I'll believe that is if the shareholders actually get their ISK back. If they do, it means that the only way he could have still stolen money is if there was a great deal more investment than was made public.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 09:58:00 -
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The real question you should be asking is this.....
What implications would there be for someone coming out and saying "hey! Rast scammed us out of 100b! What a tool!"
Maybe they will because im sure that if they are in a 'cold war' at the moment, their enemies wont seize the opportunity to strike them now whilst their finances are in a state...
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Bermag
Point-Zero
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Posted - 2006.08.23 10:25:00 -
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Originally by: Kieli Rast
The real question you should be asking is this.....
What implications would there be for someone coming out and saying "hey! Rast scammed us out of 100b! What a tool!"
Maybe they will because im sure that if they are in a 'cold war' at the moment, their enemies wont seize the opportunity to strike them now whilst their finances are in a state...
Maybe the alliances will not admit it but you can tell us. Or are you afraid of hurting their feelings 
BTW, why are you not posting anymore with Dentara? Banned?
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 10:33:00 -
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Originally by: Bermag
Originally by: Kieli Rast
The real question you should be asking is this.....
What implications would there be for someone coming out and saying "hey! Rast scammed us out of 100b! What a tool!"
Maybe they will because im sure that if they are in a 'cold war' at the moment, their enemies wont seize the opportunity to strike them now whilst their finances are in a state...
Maybe the alliances will not admit it but you can tell us. Or are you afraid of hurting their feelings
BTW, why are you not posting anymore with Dentara? Banned?
Im doing it to add to speculation on the whole debate 
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Meena Vifargent
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Posted - 2006.08.23 11:18:00 -
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Considering a solo player can make 10 billions in less than a year in empire with no risk (yes he can...) and no robbery, scam or fool play, i'm not sure 100 billions worth a financial drama for any big alliance who can invest such value...
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.08.23 12:41:00 -
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One of the great advantages of a good con is that the victims are too embarrassed to go to the authorities or state publicly they have been conned. The more they have lost, the more stupid they will look, and the more likely they will be noted as a possible mark for a future con.
Though it didn't happen in this case, a good con frequently relies on the victim supposedly colluding in something illegal or in a legal grey area. Betting, for example, or claiming tax rebates, or facilitating a fictional 3rd party's illegal activity.
Either way, there are strong disincentives for a mark to make public that he's been conned. Natural human embarrassment at being made to look stupid means a good con can be tried successfully over and over. And there will never be a shortage of lazy, greedy people to try them on.
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Inmate 19225004
Crow Logistics
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The only way I'll believe that is if the shareholders actually get their ISK back. If they do, it means that the only way he could have still stolen money is if there was a great deal more investment than was made public.
LOL you are sooooo transparent DS.
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Inmate 19225004
Crow Logistics
E N I G M A
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:45:00 -
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Comeon Dentara ... Name the top 5 private investors with investment amounts.
Then this heist will have a bit more flair! 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 14:50:35
Originally by: Inmate 19225004
Originally by: Dark Shikari
The only way I'll believe that is if the shareholders actually get their ISK back. If they do, it means that the only way he could have still stolen money is if there was a great deal more investment than was made public.
LOL you are sooooo transparent DS.
What do you mean?
I have zero EIB shares.
I made a point of avoiding all investment with the EIB. I considered the risk too high for the return.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Riddari
Celestial Fleet
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.23 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Kieli Rast
What implications would there be for someone coming out and saying "hey! Rast scammed us out of 100b! What a tool!"
Maybe they will because im sure that if they are in a 'cold war' at the moment, their enemies wont seize the opportunity to strike them now whilst their finances are in a state...
That alliance/corporation would have it coming then if it put their faith and most of their ISK into one venture.
I could understand an alliance (I don't believe ASCN is one of the mystery ones who you claim lost ISK) putting a portion of its ISK reserves into a venture which might provide them with profit.
But an alliance putting most of their ISK into it... unthinkable but actually quite possible for some young ones.
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.23 17:34:00 -
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Originally by: Inmate 19225004
Comeon Dentara ... Name the top 5 private investors with investment amounts.
Then this heist will have a bit more flair!
Im not going to reveal who exactly lost money to this scam, but it is possible that some territory could change hands easily if a few wars were to start out.
Despite what alliances like to boast, none are really that well off in terms of disposable capital.
The biggest asset alliances have is their territory and their members. They rely on members using their own finances to buy ships, equipment, etc etc.
I dont think one alliance would be prepared to finance every members pvp within its ranks, so in effect if one has lost 100b to me, or even more then it certainly isnt just a drop in the ocean to them. It could be potentially disasterous.
Certain individuals withing the alliance may be well off, but I would be suprised if any alliance except BOB had 500m per pilot in disposable income in its 'fund'.
Even if its members are well off, this doesnt mean they will use all of their wealth to defend that alliance.
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:24:00 -
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Edited by: Heikki on 23/08/2006 21:25:37
Originally by: Kieli Rast
Im not going to reveal who exactly lost money to this scam
I am starting to think that your biggest scam wasn't EIB; it was making everyone believe you scored really big. Although I would love to be proven wrong.
-Lasse
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.23 21:34:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 21:34:12
Originally by: Heikki
Edited by: Heikki on 23/08/2006 21:25:37
Originally by: Kieli Rast
Im not going to reveal who exactly lost money to this scam
I am starting to think that your biggest scam wasn't EIB; it was making everyone believe you scored really big. Although I would love to be proven wrong.
-Lasse
I have strongly suspected that since the start.
It is just as possible that Rast robbed very little, and that Kal and the like are his alts (regardless of his denials) and simply exist to support the "fact" that he stole so much ISK.
But we really don't know.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Wolfgang Jager
Caldari
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:00:00 -
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I don't think it matters really. This guy has proven that he is a pathological liar and he appears more than a bit unstable. There is really no way we'll ever be able to verify how much he scammed, from who, when or how. Heck we can't even pin down how many alts, other accounts and whatnot he is in control of.
Given the total lack of class, style or any sort of rational post-scam expose, who cares how much he swindled some idiots for? EIB was a ridiculously bad investment risk from the start, so frankly he only swiped money from morons. (And yes I include EMFI in that - the fact that EMFI bought into EIB shows that their management is totally clueless)
As for infamy - who cares if he gets credit for the "biggest" heist or whatever...he has the "weirdest" title solidly to himself. This whole bad comedic drama has been the best entertainment in the market forum's history; he won't be forgotten, regardless of how much or little he actually made off with.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:10:00 -
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Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 23/08/2006 22:14:00
The more I read, the less I'm inclined to believe this. Besides it's not like you can't be good with photoshop and do a masterful edit of your wallet.
It would be interesting to know which 'big investors' gave him the 'billions' though.
Bob? ASCN? MC? Why would any of them bother?
Cap charger II owners? The guy with 19 of the 20 cloak II BPOs? People like that prbably have a hrd enough time thinking of what to spend ISK on.
When I physically see you logged in with the ISK, or you place it all in a tradw window with me, I'll believe you, until then, I say your biggest 'scam' is making people believe you stole far more than you really did.
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Argenton Sayvers
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:31:00 -
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ISK in trade window is actually a good idea.
While a lot of people have a lot more then just 500b in assets, hardly anyone has more then 50b ISK at any given time due to the nature of t2 BPOs as a "real" investment.
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.08.23 22:33:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
I have strongly suspected that since the start.
It is just as possible that Rast robbed very little, and that Kal and the like are his alts (regardless of his denials) and simply exist to support the "fact" that he stole so much ISK.
But we really don't know.
Eh? I thought you only called people on their lies when you were 100% certain. Good to see you've adapted.
Whatever, that's some weird motivation being attibuted to Rast now. "Ha ha! I have convinced everyone I am the greatest scammer of Eve, when in fact I am not! Truely, I am the greatest scammer of Eve to have convinced people that I am the greatest scammer of Eve."
Well Farjung (I think) has at least one very expensive killmail, I guess someone can add up all Rast's losses from his crazy PvP adventures in the next few months. He could even do it himself, get a nice running total going on the forums, just to twist the knife a bit more as his victims see how their ISK is being used.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.23 23:58:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 23/08/2006 23:58:24
Originally by: Semblence
Originally by: Dark Shikari
I have strongly suspected that since the start.
It is just as possible that Rast robbed very little, and that Kal and the like are his alts (regardless of his denials) and simply exist to support the "fact" that he stole so much ISK.
But we really don't know.
Eh? I thought you only called people on their lies when you were 100% certain. Good to see you've adapted.
I'm not calling him on a lie. I'm suggesting the possibility.
I did the exact same thing every time something suspicious happened with the EIB. I suggested two possibilities: one explanining the suspicious happening in a positive manner (non-scam) and one taking the more cynical path.
As I have done here.
The difference, however, is that before, the question was whether to trust someone who had not scammed yet, versus trusting someone who has already scammed (Dentara). As Dentara has already lied plenty, I have a hard time believing him.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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liquidism
Asgard Schiffswerften
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.08.24 02:08:00 -
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i scammed 977 bil out of some major alliances.. want a screenie as proof? 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.08.24 04:04:00 -
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Originally by: liquidism
i scammed 977 bil out of some major alliances.. want a screenie as proof?
I can beat that. I scammed 7573611 trillion out of CONCORD itself!
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Aversin
Gallente
Roving Guns Inc.
RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 04:25:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Edited by: Malthros Zenobia on 23/08/2006 22:14:00
The more I read, the less I'm inclined to believe this. Besides it's not like you can't be good with photoshop and do a masterful edit of your wallet.
It would be interesting to know which 'big investors' gave him the 'billions' though.
Bob? ASCN? MC? Why would any of them bother?
Cap charger II owners? The guy with 19 of the 20 cloak II BPOs? People like that prbably have a hrd enough time thinking of what to spend ISK on.
When I physically see you logged in with the ISK, or you place it all in a tradw window with me, I'll believe you, until then, I say your biggest 'scam' is making people believe you stole far more than you really did.
Again with the cloak II thing, that simply isn't true, I know at least 3 people off the top of my head with t2 cloak bpos.
Originally by: Razner Cerizo
They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Originally by: Evelyn Lavi
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turnschuh
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Posted - 2006.08.24 05:35:00 -
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probably all the greedy t2 BPO holders who live in empire all day and not in any alliance.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:27:00 -
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Transfer the ISK to me, I'll verify it with screenshots, fraps and live-stream and then transfer it back. That should be evidence enough 
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc.
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Kieli Rast
Originally by: Inmate 19225004
Comeon Dentara ... Name the top 5 private investors with investment amounts.
Then this heist will have a bit more flair!
Im not going to reveal who exactly lost money to this scam, but it is possible that some territory could change hands easily if a few wars were to start out.
Despite what alliances like to boast, none are really that well off in terms of disposable capital.
The biggest asset alliances have is their territory and their members. They rely on members using their own finances to buy ships, equipment, etc etc.
I dont think one alliance would be prepared to finance every members pvp within its ranks, so in effect if one has lost 100b to me, or even more then it certainly isnt just a drop in the ocean to them. It could be potentially disasterous.
Certain individuals withing the alliance may be well off, but I would be suprised if any alliance except BOB had 500m per pilot in disposable income in its 'fund'.
Even if its members are well off, this doesnt mean they will use all of their wealth to defend that alliance.
I think your analysis is incoherent here. On the one hand you say alliances don't fund their members PvP (correct I'd say), on the other hand 'territory could change hands' due to this. How can both be correct?
If Alliances don't fund their members PvP, the loss of 100b means very little for the PvP ability of alliances. It can cripple them financially in the sense that getting certain new things will be hard, but the basic defense of territory is funded by members, not alliances.
And an alliance 'fund' for PvP would have to be so obscenely large for many alliances that 100b wouldn't matter much.
I'm an 8 month old player with well over a billion worth of combat/PvP assets, and I am pretty far away from capital ships. And I am not really satisfied with my assets for PvP to be honest. To be reasonably ready and for me to feel comfortable before a big war, I think I would want to have about 3-4 billion of PvP-assets at least, excluding any capital ships. IF you were to extrapolate that to an alliance size asset base, we're talking several trillion.
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Splagada
Minmatar
Achuran Advanced Systems Technology
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:51:00 -
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Edited by: Splagada on 24/08/2006 11:51:28
i wonder about all the fascination about this scam
at the end of the day it's a game. what's left? oh i screwed a lot of people in a game
what's the big deal there? he's the bad guy? where is the fun now for him?
it's not like he's gonna be able to sell all on ebay
i thought scamming was against the terms of service, so wont he just get banned?
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Femintaki
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.08.24 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: turnschuh
probably all the greedy t2 BPO holders who live in empire all day and not in any alliance.
hehe - this one made me smile 
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.24 18:17:00 -
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Originally by: Splagada
Edited by: Splagada on 24/08/2006 11:51:28
i wonder about all the fascination about this scam
at the end of the day it's a game. what's left? oh i screwed a lot of people in a game
what's the big deal there? he's the bad guy? where is the fun now for him?
it's not like he's gonna be able to sell all on ebay
i thought scamming was against the terms of service, so wont he just get banned?
I could sell every last ISK Rast has, on ebay, and not get in trouble with CCP in doing so.
Am I going to say how? **** no. Ebays need to be killed off, not multiplied.
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Vargrh
Gallente
Stupid People Always Need Killing
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Posted - 2006.08.24 22:44:00 -
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He should sell it all on ebay, then use the money to hire a server administration consultant to sort the load balancing issues out at CCP and become a 'eve universe' hero...
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Kieli Rast
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Posted - 2006.08.25 00:00:00 -
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Edited by: Kieli Rast on 25/08/2006 00:00:22
you will be able to start making your own valuations from the loot during this event
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vyperpit
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2006.08.25 01:39:00 -
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why dont u fraps ur wallet, should give the proof of the scam,
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Amarr
SniggWaffe
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Posted - 2006.08.25 03:57:00 -
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if he just shows the ISK in a station trade window that's proof enough. you cant fake it and when you see the number ingame theres no way you can argue against it =S
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Heikki
Gallente
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2006.09.05 12:12:00 -
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Albeit the orignal post is a bit decomposed, reckon I don't need that good necromancy skill to add one comment:
As Mr. FireFoxx80 friendly pointed out, CCP had some mini-online-press-conference where the comment about scammed amount was "it was less than 790B while still being significant enough on its own", and hinting that a related proof provided somewhere was fake one.
Perhaps a few dozens of billions?
So no wonder Dentara wasn't eager to provide proof, nor give names of the many alliances who lost hundreds of billions.
-Lasse
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Semblence
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Posted - 2006.09.05 13:36:00 -
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"A few dozens of billions" is hardly an amount "still significant ... in itself".
Dentara said in the Eve-NN interview that he will put a bounty of 100 billion ISK on his own head in about a month. So we will all know either way at that point.
He also stated the cash scammed was around 500 billion with the balance an estimation of market value of BPOs, taking it up to 790 billion. If it wasn't for those pesky EMFIs, he might have gotten away with up to another 200 billion cash, he says. (There's a principle of literary-historical criticism which applies here - "if it makes the author look bad, it's probably true".)
It is not in his interests to name those he scammed. He wants them to build up their cash again, not have other scammers muscling in on his action. How would names help anyway? The alleged victim will deny it, then what have you got? There's honour amongst thieves, it seems!
It is possible but highly improbable that victims will admit they were scammed, since it makes them look stupid in proportion to the amount they were scammed. (Hence, quite a few posts here from people saying they made money from EIB, or lost less than a billion, but none saying they lost a significant amount.)
I did see a commenter on one of the sites that reported the EIB scam saying "I lost 20 billion ISK, 2 years of work, and I'm quitting", but obviously it's just a comment on a 3rd party site and should be evaluated as such.
Anyway, we'll have to stay tuned for the bounty-hunting and faction-ship events - better than some crappy mothership getting goonswarmed!
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Posted - 2006.09.05 15:38:00 -
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didnt it say in one of the monthly reports that they had somewhere around 170b in assets(bpo's+isk)? and i think that was around mid or late june? 700b seems way too much imo but who knows
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Posted - 2006.09.06 18:32:00 -
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Dentara were an uber carebear for years his corporation Rast had more than 20 people all mining for him. He claimed several times that he makes several billions a week.
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Mazare Mircea
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Posted - 2006.09.08 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 08/09/2006 11:36:48
Edited by: Mazare Mircea on 08/09/2006 11:36:07
Kinda late, but thought i'd post it --> linky
On the 5th of August, a character named thoraxhauler was claiming he represented EIB and he was taking downpayments for HAC orders. Off-course a Vagabond being offered for 170 mil - or was it 140 ..., was very fishy but due to the good reputation EIB was enjoying he walked away with quite some ISK - 1 bil .. maybe.
At the end of the scam he got into an argument on the Ships channel that concluded in him saying that he will reveal the name of the person behind calli; i thought that deserved the small convo fee, and we got into a group chat. The linky is a PNG of the chat. Whomever is interested, contact me in-game and i will send you by e-mail the entire chat - that's maybe 40% of it.
At that time i had considered depositing 200-250 mil in EIB, but having read a few times Currin's ... novel, i decided against it. I had no ideea who Dentara Rast was or is.
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The Holder
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Posted - 2006.09.16 15:21:00 -
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You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.16 16:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Holder
You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny.
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Ruffio Sepico
Minmatar
Hidden Agenda
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Posted - 2006.09.16 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: The Holder
You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny.
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Explains why its been so quiet in here lately
Home: http://www.hidden-agenda.co.uk
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Kalavoz
Caldari
Calista Industries
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:05:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.17 15:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kalavoz
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out.
He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets.
EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this:
1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information.
2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats.
3. Everyone gets banned!
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Caldari
Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd
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Posted - 2006.09.18 07:24:00 -
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This Link made me think of Dentara. Thought you guys might enjoy.
Warning, some language within the link may be considered offensive to some.
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Posted - 2006.09.18 09:53:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Ruffio Sepico
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: The Holder
You know, if I wan an unethical person who scammed billions from powerful people, I would be thinking that the nondisclosure of that info could be sold for a pretty penny.
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Explains why its been so quiet in here lately
Actually it has been nice and quiet of late. A hell of alot less random alts popping up in conversations here.
Anyone seen Kal of late?
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:20:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kalavoz
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out.
He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets.
EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this:
1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information.
2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats.
3. Everyone gets banned!
Could not have happened to a nicer guy!
But seriously, EBaying your char so close to pulling off a scam like this is asking for the ban stick. Looks like I better find the link to satisfy my curosity
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Caldari
Imperium Technologies
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Posted - 2006.09.18 10:48:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Lord WarATron
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kalavoz
Originally by: Dark Shikari
It doesn't really matter as Dentara and his alts are all banned since he ebayed his main
Hrm :) Any idea how much he got for his character? I'm idly curious how many 'pennies per hour' he got in total after all the weeks of lying and posting. I'd love to try and work it out.
He either sold the ISK seperately or lost it when he was banned. The character that was sold had about 6 billion in assets.
EMFI Manager has the links somewhere, but we "caught" him like this:
1. Dentara ebays his main, but doesn't post portrait or any discriminating information.
2. Guy buys Dentara, realizes his reputation, and goes to resell, and posts the portrait. We know its the same character because its the same seller and the same stats.
3. Everyone gets banned!
Could not have happened to a nicer guy!
But seriously, EBaying your char so close to pulling off a scam like this is asking for the ban stick. Looks like I better find the link to satisfy my curosity
Look at the following two eBay auction IDs:
260029405476
280021841125
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Veleena
Amarr
Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments
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Posted - 2006.09.18 21:37:00 -
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Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist...
ISK was sold totalling ú21,347
7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744
So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night.
Alot less than it was worth but ****, I had to sell it in bulk anyways.
Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth.
I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it.
It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!!
HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!!
There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings
Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER.
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BurnHard
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:06:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Veleena
Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist...
ISK was sold totalling ú21,347
7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744
So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night.
Alot less than it was worth but ****, I had to sell it in bulk anyways.
Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth.
I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it.
It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!!
HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!!
There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings
Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER.
See this is the problem I have with Eve. "Unlimited" PvP of all sorts attracts complete and utter ass-hats like you, who get applauded for ripping people off ("yey I just shat in my own nest!"), all the while you have no concern for anything other than yourself. You scammed, got your reward, got applauded for it, now **** off.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:11:00 -
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Yes, but it will become harder and harder and harder to do.
People do learn (even from the painful lessons) and I think you'll find the the difficulties in doing something like you did again may curb your enthusiasm.
You don't strike me as a clever enough (no offense, I'm just saying) to do another scam different enough and creative enough to have the same chance of success.
You've proven your a "one-hit-wonder", and for that, congrats. But your going to have to kick it up a notch to do much more honestly.
And yes, we all sit on the edges of our seats, wondering in rapt anticipation...just what is he going to try next? Really. Seriously.
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Veleena
Amarr
Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:34:00 -
[51]
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59
That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again.
I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:37:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Veleena
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59
That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again.
I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before.
So...if the amount is less, how will the impact be more intense?
Is this a riddle or simply just rhetoric?
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Veleena
Amarr
Eve Intergalactic Bank Investments
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:49:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19
wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value....
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Posted - 2006.09.18 22:50:00 -
[54]
Edited by: BurnHard on 18/09/2006 22:49:50
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Veleena
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:34:59
That scam amount was a one time only, hopefully you lot will get some wits about you to prevent something similar happening again, but trust me I am going to test you again.
I May not pull in more isk this time, bu the impact will be more intense. Just wait on the edge of your seats if you like or sit back and watch in happen like you did before.
So...if the amount is less, how will the impact be more intense?
Is this a riddle or simply just rhetoric?
Neither. He is basically trained to level 5 in bull****.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:29:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Veleena
Dont worry guys Im still around and still working on the next big heist...
ISK was sold totalling ú21,347
7 accounts sold and went for ú4,744
So, netted myself just over ú26K, which isnt all that bad for 6 months of playing a game for a few hours per night.
Alot less than it was worth but ****, I had to sell it in bulk anyways.
Free money is the best sort , no matter what its worth.
I used multiple email addresses, registered my eve accounts in different names etc, around 30 different ebay accounts, you name it.
It was impossible for CCP to prevent me doing this and NO WAY for them to prevent me to do it again. Hence why this dude is still able to do stuff :) - unlinked account FTW!!!
HIT ME WITH YOUR BANZOR STICK!! HIT ME!! HIT ME!!
There is around 200b still available to me (on those accounts not linked ), which im either going to flog off again for christmas, or make a treasure hunt for you all just as a thank you and to show no hard feelings
Just realise one thing people, where there is a will there is ALWAYS a way and there isnt a damn thing you, the law, nor CCP can do about it. EVER.
I think my bull**** meter just exploded.
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Originally by: DB Preacher
The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:41:00 -
[56]
So crass and common. You do to villainy what BC does to comedy on a daily basis.
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Hexxx
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.09.18 23:43:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Veleena
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19
wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value....
So...what is it based on? I mean, unless your going to go beat someone up (highly unlikely, I've seen your video) I really don't see what kind of damage you can do.
So...finacial or "the magic box of pain"! I can see it now...
Come one and all! See the Magic Box! Yes ladies and gentlemen, this box is more valuable then money! More valuable than gold! Why no, we can't tell you what's in it of course, but rest assured that when we tell you what it is, you will be stunned! Shock.....er...what? When will we show it to you? Well...soon of course! Soon! Soon so you shall remember us! Wait! No! Don't leave! Hey! Pay attention to meeeeeeee.....
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Lord WarATron
Amarr
Out Siders
Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.19 11:24:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Hexxx
Originally by: Veleena
Edited by: Veleena on 18/09/2006 22:49:19
wait and see. Damage to something isnt always based on financial value....
So...what is it based on? I mean, unless your going to go beat someone up (highly unlikely, I've seen your video) I really don't see what kind of damage you can do.
So...finacial or "the magic box of pain"! I can see it now...
Come one and all! See the Magic Box! Yes ladies and gentlemen, this box is more valuable then money! More valuable than gold! Why no, we can't tell you what's in it of course, but rest assured that when we tell you what it is, you will be stunned! Shock.....er...what? When will we show it to you? Well...soon of course! Soon! Soon so you shall remember us! Wait! No! Don't leave! Hey! Pay attention to meeeeeeee.....
unless he is going to steal a Titan, there is not much I have alredy seen. BTW, Cally, you sure sound exactly like Macro Media, so I guess stealing a Titan wont surprise me in the least :)
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