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Quutar Caldari M3rcs Inc	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:29:00 - [1] How many honest rivaly or grudges are there in eve? I am curious about long standing wars or fights that have had the exact cause lost in time, or lost meaning, such that the fighting is there becasue it has always been. I know that alot of fights and wars are not personal, such that afterwards oponents might become allies agaist a different foe. But what are the grudge fights in eve? the wars that will never truely end, just pause? sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker
Evelyn Exe eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:43:00 - [2] This will degenerate into a flamefast by post 5 i suspect. Still, most grudges tend to be one sided, whereby the "Losing" side bears a grudge against the winning side. Can't really think of any mutual rivalries off the top of my head.
Selpy 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:53:00 - [3] The FIX vs SA war's would fit in this thread. It went on for year's, it would slow down, and flame up, and tbh I can't even remember why thing's went south. And my own personal corp is kinda extracting a grudge...Outbreak/Celest vs BOB....as alot of the Old QDF pilot's that fought BOB when they tryed to move into Querious region are now in Outbreak, and we're now getting our second bout with BOB. Look deep into these eyes, they'll be the last thing to see you!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:54:00 - [4] FIX-SA was a grudge match. The exact causes are surrounded by propaganda, self deceptions and lies. It stretches back a good couple of years. Even though SA is no more, not many people manage to move on to new pastures with a clean mental slate, they take their feelings with them. I'm fairly sure we'll see ex-SA crop up again and again to fight FIX. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 15:55:00 - [5] Heh, Selpy beat me to it. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Masta Killa BURN EDEN	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:03:00 - [6] The greatest grudge in Eve: Me vs Warp Scramblers. So far I've pwnz0red them 99% of the time we meet in battle. -------------------------------------- "It's like, we show up and UDIE."
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:13:00 - [7] I think this is the first time i agree witha fixie, no? Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Darpz Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:14:00 - [8] Edited by: Darpz on 23/08/2006 16:14:52 signed SA vs FIX 4tw I put in on par with Michigan/Ohio State rivalry
EssexBoy Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:28:00 - [9] The old SA - CA and Xetic - CA has to be in there as well
Drilla Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:29:00 - [10] CA vs. * Seek not to bar my way, for I shall win through - no matter the cost!
Felony Assualt Karnival of Death Squad	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:34:00 - [11] Originally by: EssexBoy The old SA - CA and Xetic - CA has to be in there as well ^^ this is it right here. I dont remember fix - SA war lasting to long.
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:37:00 - [12] Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk on 23/08/2006 16:37:05 bob vs north bob vs goonswarm sa vs ca sa vs fix ghsc vs gooncorp 1,2,3 ascn vs ex-xetic corps hmm about all that comes to mind right now http://eve.klaki.net/
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:38:00 - [13] Edited by: Avernus on 23/08/2006 16:38:29 Quote: I dont remember fix - SA war lasting to long. Well I think there were about 3 of them... or was it 4, not too mention numberous incidents and times of tension. Good stuff. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Tholarim Amarr Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:39:00 - [14] Edited by: Tholarim on 23/08/2006 16:38:49 ATUK/DICE vs Celes hi darth!
Fetor Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:49:00 - [15] Edited by: Fetor on 23/08/2006 16:50:05 Hm... CA v SA?
eveceo1 Gallente Revival.	Posted - 2006.08.23 16:51:00 - [16] Aneu v BoB? _______________ Yar!Ö
Cmd Woodlouse Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:04:00 - [17] BoB vs. PA bar none -------------------------------- Even WOW is far better than EVE now. Please fix this broken Simcity-Pos-Game!
Rainarchy Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:06:00 - [18] CFS/UFS vs FIX Dunno if it still applies for most, but the feelings where there from some of(all??) UFS/CFS long after it disbanded. CELTS had a few frigraids in Querious when we were in FoE I remember. I was a complete n00b when it happened, maybe that's why it has stuck with me
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:08:00 - [19] Just thought of another one, CFS vs FA.... very long time grudge match, even if it did only have the one explosive conclusion. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
WildCard Gallente SteelVipers YouWhat	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:09:00 - [20] D2 vs themself -WildCard CEO SteelVipers- --- We break for nobody-- --- G4Ever--
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:10:00 - [21] Man... people just keep beating me to the punch. The grudge towards FIX from the CFS/UFS was basically one sided, FIX didn't really have hard feelings about it. FA might have been the same way. Still, over time there have been plenty of ex-CFS that have contributed against FIX through other alliances, and helped instigate things. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Razor Jaxx Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:19:00 - [22] Originally by: Cmd Woodlouse BoB vs. PA bar none Got one for you and Phonubs : EvE vs WoW Nice to see you back and in good health btw. <3.
Ryas Nia Minmatar Stormriders	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:22:00 - [23] hey dont for get the RP wars U'K vs CVA
Rainarchy Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:24:00 - [24] Originally by: Avernus Man... people just keep beating me to the punch. The grudge towards FIX from the CFS/UFS was basically one sided, FIX didn't really have hard feelings about it. FA might have been the same way. Still, over time there have been plenty of ex-CFS that have contributed against FIX through other alliances, and helped instigate things. No flame intended: I think the reason was that we felt the behaviour from FA/FIX was lacking the respect we wanted. I remember for example the T-PAR deal which made FA rich and gave us only dockingrights as a hot topic in local/forums. We saw FIX as FA's lapdogs(Tornsoul even moderated FIX's forums in the beginning!) There are others that know the story far better than me, and I only know it from our side. As every conflict there are deep roots, and I can only scratch the surface. From all I know (being a subject to our propaganda) CFS could have been the badguy!
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:32:00 - [25] Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/08/2006 17:36:30 Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/08/2006 17:34:08 We hate ATUK and they hate us! "So does everyone else!" I hear you cry, maybe but our dislike for each other surpasses any other. ATUK SMELL! Them reforming into DICE has cooled it a bit though. edit: Ah I see Thol has already mentioned it. It's been nothing but civil and courteous in Fountain so far though. I haven't see Metal Dude yet however. :P ps. Get a corp Woody ya vagrant!
Clementina God's of Eve	Posted - 2006.08.23 17:40:00 - [26] RA versus the Coalition. Nothing but Hate. PA/NBSI versus FE. Didn't last very long, and neither did the alliances listed, but it had potential.
Rift Scorn Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:01:00 - [27] yeah, i guess 0utbreak & Celest vs BoB with their resoective histories is a good one. Although i've fought Boldyn & Marko D a lot back in their FIX days, until recently i haven't had the pleasure of fighting the ABP section of 0utbreak, but i have to say Dave Tehsuli's (sp) battle penguin vids were great, and they are really on the ball scrappers. BoB vs PA was without a doubt a 9 month slug fest of monster proportions. Smelting point that a lot of these days great PvPers came out of regardless which side you were on at the time. SA vs CA back in teh day. Was a nub back then and lost Moa's hand over fist; was my first taste of PvP. SA vs FIX certainly became a smelting point for people. Didn't really get involved in that one, but certainly seemd to get people hot under the collar. BoB vs [G]/D2. I suppose this wasn't as full on as the GNW but certainly had some very enjoyable fights against these guys. All the ones i've mentioned i remember pretty much because i was part and parcel of getting royally stuck in , so i've probabley missed a lot of the other bitter 15 round slug fests going on in the universe. Then again i feel that i can only rightfully comment on ones i've been part of, or involed closely with due to geographical reasons. Your friendly clone activation expert, free of service to the eve community since '03!
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:02:00 - [28] Snodgey, I'll tell you in private what the cause was, no need to bring it up here. The force that came in was Collective and MASS. It was the seed for the grudge match that developed. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Rainarchy Rage of Angels Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:04:00 - [29] Originally by: Avernus Quote: We saw FIX as FA's lapdogs(Tornsoul even moderated FIX's forums in the beginning!) Just to correct that bit: Period Basis Legion had their forums orginally setup by Tornsoul, not FIX. Many people labelled FIX as FA lapdogs, after the war (and FA would have liked to have seen this happen); the same way we were labelled CFS lapdogs when we were simply independant corporations and later the QDF, by CA pilots. Yep... the same way we have been named BoB lapdogs after FA fell and FIX made peace with BoB. The cycle is continious, because FIX generally doesn't care what people label us. Most of these labels are created by people hostile to FIX, and for the most part it is propaganda that they try to use against us, on the one hand attempting to cause division, anger and strife within; and on the other hand propping up their own with false pretenses that make them feel better about their own actions. Other peoples opinions do matter, but we're not overly bothered with changing external perceptions. I clearly rememberd it as FIX' forums, but if you say so, I stand corrected.
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:09:00 - [30] The QDF forums were originally hosted by Black Avatar, who at the time held the 2 of the stations in Querious, the third being held by my own corp. The FIX forums were setup by S3VYN, who is in my corp. There were no forums inbetween the existance of these two. The only confusion would likely have come from when Black Avatar left Querious to join FA; if I remember right, the FIX forums came into existance right around the time of the CFS war. Nothing in life is quite so sweet as the taste of payback.
Yodaron Ballsithor Gallente Black Avatar Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:17:00 - [31] Originally by: Avernus The QDF forums were originally hosted by Black Avatar, who at the time held the 2 of the stations in Querious, the third being held by my own corp. The FIX forums were setup by S3VYN, who is in my corp. There were no forums inbetween the existance of these two. The only confusion would likely have come from when Black Avatar left Querious to join FA; if I remember right, the FIX forums came into existance right around the time of the CFS war. All true. Having been a member of BA Gaming Community for nearly 9 years now, I should also note that Torn Soul has never, to my knowledge as a BA Admin for years, ever registered or been on the BA boards. If he has, he is not on the memberlist. Yes, S3YVN created the FIX boards and was kind enough to grante me pretty much unlimited access to them during my hiatus from the game. I do not recall any posts by Torn Soul on the FIX boards and checking the memberlist it appears no person with that name has every registered on the FIX boards. I am told the image is properly sized now. Can you confirm please?
Queen Uggs All Your Base R Mine	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:42:00 - [32] E-R vs ascn xf vs ca
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 18:45:00 - [33] Originally by: welsh wizard Edited by: welsh wizard on 23/08/2006 17:37:36 It's been nothing but civil and courteous in Fountain so far though. I haven't see Metal Dude yet however. :P Apart from some usual smack talk thats started many times by ur guys and outbreak so far but nothing else PS: For the love of God why do u have to engage in Euro times ??? I am stuck at work and i have missed every single engamnet so far Recruit US ppl , thats an order "What ever that doesn't Kill me just makes me stronger"
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:00:00 - [34] BNC & Geeklab from the old ORS pre NORAD days. Most old school BNC would probably still drop everything to go lay into Geeklab if we thought they were ever acheiving anything significant. BNC & KIA has always had a 'fairly friendly' rivalry and we've pretty much always been hostile to each other, despite recruiting half their old school membership no self respecting BNC pilot will ever miss an opportunity to shoot at them. BoB & PA, needs no explanation really.... but I have to say... WE WERE RIGHT BoB & G/D2, have a lot of respect for each other but will still be hostile the day the servers get turned off, there was a tremendous clash of styles and philosophies between us following the GNW. BoB & SA, a fairly new grudge but we won't forget Orc A's treachery for a very very long time. BoB vs Celes, certainly BNC and RKK will never forgive them for looking the other way at the start of the GNW and not backing RKK against PA (and we were right in the end, the cause would have been just but Celes turned their back on RKK, as a BNC pilot I'll never forgive them for that goodness knows how the old school RKK feel). Nothing like falling out with a mate to create a serious grudge. The opportunity to back RKK came before m0o got involved as well so that old smoke screen still cuts no ice. I wonder how many people know that's the original reason for the rift (N.B. people do need to remember this is all in game stuff only, you got's to keep your hate in perspective ) Eve Blacklight Style
Jezala Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:09:00 - [35] Edited by: Jezala on 23/08/2006 19:09:43 Originally by: Quutar How many honest rivaly or grudges are there in eve? I am curious about long standing wars or fights that have had the exact cause lost in time, or lost meaning, such that the fighting is there becasue it has always been. I know that alot of fights and wars are not personal, such that afterwards oponents might become allies agaist a different foe. But what are the grudge fights in eve? the wars that will never truely end, just pause? One way to filter for those types of grudges is by using forum wars as a type of measurement. So you might want to ask yourself this, which conflicts resulted in never ending forum wars to the point where threads were being hijacked and driven off topic by the bickering parties? CA vs SA [5] vs SCA or Xetic Xetic civil war (ASCN vs NBSI/D2) SE vs SA There's probably a lot more, but those are the ones off the top of my head. ...and yes, we do sell and deliver ammo. 425 Express Delivery is available upon request, please see Hans Gates and Marcus Grisbius regarding this option.
Crax McGee Caldari Celtic Anarchy Black Reign Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:21:00 - [36] corp wise i like the Celts vs F-E(corp) http://crosbyweb.co.uk/images/craxlove.jpg signature removed - please email us (with the signature URL) if you want to know why - Pirlouit([email protected])
Scragg Caldari Tyrell Corp Curse Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:22:00 - [37] Tyrell vs. Shinra History goes back to the original Curse Coalition not wanting to join the Curse Alliance and support the pirates that formed the CA which further fueled the SA CA war which fueled (but was not the main reason) for the Xetic CA rivalry. I'd say CA vs. Tyrell but the CA ceased to exist long ago. I'd say LV vs. Tyrell but over half the LV members have no problems with Tyrell or the CC and LV is pretty young so you can't call it a long standing rivalry so; it boils down to Shinra vs. Tyrell. Funny thing is there is only a few guys in Shinra we don't like. The rest of them we just like to fight.
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Blacklight BNC & Geeklab from the old ORS pre NORAD days. Most old school BNC would probably still drop everything to go lay into Geeklab if we thought they were ever acheiving anything significant. BNC & KIA has always had a 'fairly friendly' rivalry and we've pretty much always been hostile to each other, despite recruiting half their old school membership no self respecting BNC pilot will ever miss an opportunity to shoot at them. BoB & PA, needs no explanation really.... but I have to say... WE WERE RIGHT BoB & G/D2, have a lot of respect for each other but will still be hostile the day the servers get turned off, there was a tremendous clash of styles and philosophies between us following the GNW. BoB & SA, a fairly new grudge but we won't forget Orc A's treachery for a very very long time. BoB vs Celes, certainly BNC and RKK will never forgive them for looking the other way at the start of the GNW and not backing RKK against PA (and we were right in the end, the cause would have been just but Celes turned their back on RKK, as a BNC pilot I'll never forgive them for that goodness knows how the old school RKK feel). Nothing like falling out with a mate to create a serious grudge. The opportunity to back RKK came before m0o got involved as well so that old smoke screen still cuts no ice. I wonder how many people know that's the original reason for the rift (N.B. people do need to remember this is all in game stuff only, you got's to keep your hate in perspective ) Funny how things work out, you should be glad though, without us and Outbreak you'd have noone willing to fight.
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:27:00 - [39] Originally by: Plim Hi mental dude ^_^ How could we hate a fluffy rabbit. That's the best you can do? Calling me names? How original and mature. Then again, I would not expect anything else from CELES. The truth will set you free
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:30:00 - [40] Originally by: welsh wizard ... Funny how things work out, you should be glad though, without us and Outbreak you'd have noone willing to fight. You mean without Otbreak, because if it was just CELES, you guys would run away long time ago. The truth will set you free
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:31:00 - [41] Originally by: welsh wizard Funny how things work out, you should be glad though, without us and Outbreak you'd have noone willing to fight. Yeah I'm not complaining, it's good to have rivals/arch-enemies. Eve Blacklight Style
Ace Frehley Minmatar 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:33:00 - [42] I can say outbreak intend not to smack in local but we have a problem to shut up in local and it is with love in the eye when we "smack". If your spys on our TS/vent is doin their work you would now how much we laugh. As an old DSMA i always hated FA even when we were "allies". No respect for them. Same with FIX even if I¦m surrounded by ex-fixans BBCODE:
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:37:00 - [43] Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/08/2006 19:38:50 FIX vs SA has to have been one of the longest running feuds in EVE, between alliances. It started at the beginnning of Jan 05 and only really ended in May 06. Thats nearly 1yr and 5 months of what was effectively the same conflict, spread over 3 distinct wars. The Stainers fought FIX under several different guises; Stain Empire, The Coalition and then Stain- Alliance. The reasons for the animosity are too complex to put down in a single post and I would refer the reader to the FIX website for a comprehensive backstory to the conflict. But the broad simplistic reason for most of it is payback. I would be very interested to know how long the CA vs SA conflict lasted, all in. The funny thing is that for me the most fun time I've had in EVE has been 'hating' SA. So here is to SA, and may everybody in EVE find some party they would like to pod and pod over and over again. The game is so much more interesting that way.
Jay Phor Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:38:00 - [44] mods vs alts
Pehova Mindtriq Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 19:46:00 - [45] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim Hi mental dude ^_^ How could we hate a fluffy rabbit. That's the best you can do? Calling me names? How original and mature. Then again, I would not expect anything else from CELES. Just chill, you seem to take everything a celes member says as smacktalk. Celes vs Xelas
Renox Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 20:06:00 - [46] Originally by: Blacklight ...I wonder how many people know that's the original reason for the rift (N.B. people do need to remember this is all in game stuff only, you got's to keep your hate in perspective ) Funny how different things look when viewing them from opposite sides of the fence. Let's just say Celes and RKK didn't see eye to eye on this one and it later evolved into shooting when m0o became involved at a time where we might as well have ended up shooting PA given a few more days. So who turn their back on who? Guess it depends on where you look at it from But yeah, the BOB vs CELES stuff is good stuff when it comes to grudges :) TheJay > grrr slow stupid garlic eating surrender monkeys
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 20:15:00 - [47] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Plim Hi mental dude ^_^ How could we hate a fluffy rabbit. That's the best you can do? Calling me names? How original and mature. Then again, I would not expect anything else from CELES. This was the responce I was trying to illicit. This is why I can't hate you, you are too reliable. Menthol Dude, you always refresh my day \o/ ----------------- Victory or death! ... knitting is also an option.
Chrony Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 20:33:00 - [48] Originally by: Blacklight BNC & Geeklab from the old ORS pre NORAD days. Most old school BNC would probably still drop everything to go lay into Geeklab if we thought they were ever acheiving anything significant. Oh yeah, I still remeber that one time last year while we were in Outer Ring and someone said he'd found some Geeklap members on TS... WTS: Umlat Corpse
ProphetGuru Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 21:12:00 - [49] Edited by: ProphetGuru on 23/08/2006 21:14:51 m0o - EVOL was a pretty good one back in the day.... but our fights turned us into pals so... Most of the other good ones have been mentioned already so won't repeat. I will say that you will never see Xirtam in a BoB gang... nor anyone with a TTI ticker :) Evolution and Celest have been at odds for quite some time. Thinking back, I may have made a post once or twice showing a distinct lack of respect for celes.... I will say, I was actually pretty impressed the time celes came into nol and fought to the end in a quite obvious losing situation with that isd serpentis carrier flying dude. No cores either... was pretty good stuff. (that's as close as I can get to a compliment) Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
EvilDoomer Caldari Chicago Mobsters Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.23 21:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Rift Scorn yeah, i guess 0utbreak & Celest vs BoB with their resoective histories is a good one. Although i've fought Boldyn & Marko D a lot back in their FIX days, until recently i haven't had the pleasure of fighting the ABP section of 0utbreak, but i have to say Dave Tehsuli's (sp) battle penguin vids were great, and they are really on the ball scrappers. BoB vs PA was without a doubt a 9 month slug fest of monster proportions. Smelting point that a lot of these days great PvPers came out of regardless which side you were on at the time. SA vs CA back in teh day. Was a nub back then and lost Moa's hand over fist; was my first taste of PvP. SA vs FIX certainly became a smelting point for people. Didn't really get involved in that one, but certainly seemd to get people hot under the collar. BoB vs [G]/D2. I suppose this wasn't as full on as the GNW but certainly had some very enjoyable fights against these guys. All the ones i've mentioned i remember pretty much because i was part and parcel of getting royally stuck in , so i've probabley missed a lot of the other bitter 15 round slug fests going on in the universe. Then again i feel that i can only rightfully comment on ones i've been part of, or involed closely with due to geographical reasons. I have to agree but SA vs CA was the most fun in game I ever had. And I have fought everyone and everywhere. BUT SA was so much fun to fight against. I have alot of repect for my killers. :) Did my share of getting killed and killing. DUAL CAV RAVENS For the WIN!. Ah but that was long ago. Thanks EvilDoomer Chicago Mobsters In-Game Channel:DAMOB Wooof wooooof
Plim Gallente Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.23 22:15:00 - [51] m0o vs celes was a big one at one point too of course. There was meant to be this 10 vs 10 thing organised, but then they dissolved. ----------------- Victory or death! ... knitting is also an option.
Xrak Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 22:26:00 - [52] Quote: BoB vs PA Hmm dont forget about the others! Norad, CoD, FU, UNICOR, JF :P Jade vs Halseth!
Bared Bel'Medar Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.23 22:28:00 - [53] Omega Corp and Evolution... A rivalry for all the right reason. High(?) Molle! Hi Duke! Telling DB apart from molle: DB is funny.
Fedaykin Naib 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.08.23 23:04:00 - [54] Aye, seems like the CELES v. RKK(and BoB) may be the longest, stil active one to me. "Long Live the Fighters!"
Blacklight Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.23 23:16:00 - [55] Originally by: Renox Funny how different things look when viewing them from opposite sides of the fence. Let's just say Celes and RKK didn't see eye to eye on this one and it later evolved into shooting when m0o became involved at a time where we might as well have ended up shooting PA given a few more days. So who turn their back on who? Guess it depends on where you look at it from But yeah, the BOB vs CELES stuff is good stuff when it comes to grudges :) Yeah, definitely your fault though Hehe. Eve Blacklight Style
dalman Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.23 23:53:00 - [56] Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 23/08/2006 19:38:50 FIX vs SA has to have been one of the longest running feuds in EVE, between alliances. It started at the beginnning of Jan 05 and only really ended in May 06. Thats nearly 1yr and 5 months of what was effectively the same conflict, spread over 3 distinct wars. The Stainers fought FIX under several different guises; Stain Empire, The Coalition and then Stain- Alliance. The reasons for the animosity are too complex to put down in a single post and I would refer the reader to the FIX website for a comprehensive backstory to the conflict. But the broad simplistic reason for most of it is payback. I would be very interested to know how long the CA vs SA conflict lasted, all in. The funny thing is that for me the most fun time I've had in EVE has been 'hating' SA. So here is to SA, and may everybody in EVE find some party they would like to pod and pod over and over again. The game is so much more interesting that way. The (new) Curse Alliance was formed in september 2003(link to FA's post on the subject), with the agenda being to "fight a war vs SA and kick MASS's ass". (arrrghhh, my thread collection lacks the thread with links to screenshots of first posts on the CA forums) However, the major entities that banded together in CA had individually been at war with SA (or at least MASS and/or COL) for much longer: * RUS declares war on SA in general and MASS particularly:july 2003 (best post evah!! tbh. Ronin, Leishy etc are kinda missed) * SINC/m0o became a hostile entity to SA in august 2003, after SA pushed RUS to other side of the map where they banded with SINC/m0o. (which indeed was quite fun also, considering RUS had destroyed m0o's first 2 battleships) * Red Corsairs was wardeced by MASS and others sometimes in july/aug as well for their piracy, and in our pursuit for them in Curse, there were quite some troubles with VoTF as well as Shinra. CA was (more or less) disbanded in januari 2005 (SA/ATUK/XETIC announcement) So, depending on how you wish to define the start of the war, the SA-CA war lasted 16-18 monts. Unlike most other conflicts, that were more or less constant fighting though... Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.23 23:58:00 - [57] The greatest is the oldest in my eye....... Amarr vs. Minmatar PIE Inc since beta has been focused on the defeat of the Minmatar terrorists. They've changed form over the years...... Oracle..... MastutaaMatari...... UshraKhan........ But its still the same war. While some may dismiss RP wars consider we've fought since day one and still cotinue to fight with what CCP gives us Empire folks. Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Quutar Caldari M3rcs Inc	Posted - 2006.08.24 00:19:00 - [58] Originally by: Archbishop The greatest is the oldest in my eye....... Amarr vs. Minmatar PIE Inc since beta has been focused on the defeat of the Minmatar terrorists. They've changed form over the years...... Oracle..... MastutaaMatari...... UshraKhan........ But its still the same war. While some may dismiss RP wars consider we've fought since day one and still cotinue to fight with what CCP gives us Empire folks. Archie possibly the coolest rivalry... wierd side question... what is the rivally or hostility between D2 and ASCN about... they are on oposite ends of the map? sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker
pershphanie Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.24 01:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Crax McGee corp wise i like the Celts vs F-E(corp) I started that one
Darko1107 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2006.08.24 01:33:00 - [60] Me vrs Whiskey, he gets the better of me everytime God dam it! ------------------ Sig removed, please keep it under the 24,000 byte limit, if you have any questions please email [email protected] - Xorus
Constantinee Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.24 02:28:00 - [61] The Southern Coalition vs RA SA vs FIX and Goonswarm VS EVE Want a Cheap sig?
Hamatitio Caldari Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.24 03:14:00 - [62] Phonix vs. Gunnery 26 mil now? --- Originally by: Wrangler ...why do you people always have to verbally assault each other over things that doesn't matter anyway?
Nahual Gallente Fate. Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.24 03:32:00 - [63] Edited by: Nahual on 24/08/2006 03:32:48 Originally by: Hamatitio Phonix vs. Gunnery 26 mil now? pfft more like 30 mil + ahha...darko is such a light weight ----------------------------------------------- FateCorp
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2006.08.24 03:40:00 - [64] Jade Vs. Halseth CA vs. Everyone else Blacklight vs. Sobriety Evol vs. CA m0ovolution vs. Old F-E North vs. itself My only regret is going out with a whimper and not guns blazing.
Yo Fore Resurrection R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.24 04:12:00 - [65] For 3 years it was FA aginst everyone who wanted fountain. Lots of great rivalrys there.
Famine Aligher'ri	Posted - 2006.08.24 04:35:00 - [66] D.e.v.i.a.n.c.E vs Forsaken Empire TPS vs Celest Apoc
Falco Sparverius Gallente THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.24 04:40:00 - [67] biggest rivalry I know of: me vs. my ships --- Cry CYVOK and let slip the ducks of war!
Lord Wimbishi Caldari Wolven Elite Guard Ghosts of Retribution	Posted - 2006.08.24 06:06:00 - [68] Old PA and BOB rivalry in my mind was by far the most hateful. Still carried to this day despite PA's break up. "Protecting the Ignorant from the immoral scum of the galaxy"
Zzazzt Gallente Millennium E.R.A	Posted - 2006.08.24 15:38:00 - [69] Jade vs. Halseth > all tbh... ____________________________________________
Auman Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.08.24 16:07:00 - [70] The original Phoenix Alliance vs lots of people. Best/most intense rivarly bar none. The forums were on fire from all the various topics
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.08.24 16:13:00 - [71] CA vs SA Anyone who says otherwise wasn't there or born yet. Taur
PSA1SWIPE Caldari Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.24 16:45:00 - [72] Me vs the ablity to shut my mouth oh and the whole gnw thing that was big and all :) I like bunny wabbits
fireraven Though The Darkness	Posted - 2006.08.24 17:58:00 - [73] here is a few great ones off the top of my head. the 5 vs ra that was a good one . moo vs the dev's that war lasted a while basicly changing the entire face of the game. now there is concord and devs have supers ships. it basicly ended when the dev's got tired of being poped and banned all that was involed. SOME MUST BE TOLD OTHERS MUST BE SHOWN
dantes inferno Caldari Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.24 18:47:00 - [74] well it would have to be SA vs FIX, i was unluckyh enough to miss most of the CA war as they disbanded 6 weeks after i joined eve. I remember i had just joined MASS from SGE when fix first invaded FAT, and the next few weeks were a log of fun for me , and my "grudge" against fix was created when i saw nez and a few fix people flaming my corp on the forums...after bob forced the cease fire, it looked like MASS may of disbanded..the outrage was so strong...but in the letdown that the south vs north war was, i was constantly begging to attack FIX, my first great hope of a rematch came during the Civil war when Fix accepted catch of SE, even though it was a contested region (contray to claims at the time, SA had been in catch several times)but it was not to be, but finaly my prares were answered, FIx set us to KOS soon after the G/IRON/Razor invasion of our space...this lead to 6 months of shooting FIX..even with the bitterness of BOB interfering once again..it was a lot of fun, and my "hatred" of fix (and all over partys involved) are long behind me (well 6 weeks)..but it did make the fights a lot more enjoyable to have such a enemie. but now is a fresh start, all old grudges are over..time to find some new ones :D _____ They were monsters. They rode across the world we knew and brough terror, and death. Where they were, life ceased. They were without mercy. They were without fear - They were MASS
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.24 18:49:00 - [75] Originally by: Ryas Nia hey dont for get the RP wars U'K vs CVA You beat me to it! That one's been going for three years now... Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori
Szumo Manos Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.08.24 18:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Rainarchy CFS/UFS vs FIX Dunno if it still applies for most, but the feelings where there from some of(all??) UFS/CFS long after it disbanded. CELTS had a few frigraids in Querious when we were in FoE I remember. I was a complete n00b when it happened, maybe that's why it has stuck with me We still hope to see FIX crumble.
Siege Minmatar Siegecraft Bounty Hunting	Posted - 2006.08.24 21:49:00 - [77] Yeah, I'm going to vote on MOO vs. CCP as well. That war got downright nasty at times too, and caused a near rebellion among the entire player base at the time. The GM cadre and Tranquility really did a lot of changing as a result of that one.
Tao Han Caldari Crucial Electronics	Posted - 2006.08.24 22:06:00 - [78] Originally by: Rodj Blake Originally by: Ryas Nia hey dont for get the RP wars U'K vs CVA You beat me to it! That one's been going for three years now... But then again you are suppose to fight eachother, Minmatar vs Amarr roleplayer corps and alliances arent really that interesting. Sure they are cool and I mean no disrespect but the "player-made" conflicts are way more interesting.
Quutar Caldari M3rcs Inc	Posted - 2006.08.24 22:13:00 - [79] Originally by: Siege Yeah, I'm going to vote on MOO vs. CCP as well. That war got downright nasty at times too, and caused a near rebellion among the entire player base at the time. The GM cadre and Tranquility really did a lot of changing as a result of that one. what happened there? (I am only 6 months old in this game) sonofabeachballbouncingmarymotherfiretrucker

Imaran Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.24 22:16:00 - [80] Wow, this one is surprisingly quiet and friendly... but we'll be watching, so make sure it stays that way Nice to see a refreshing change. ♥ But every one of you has still missed the most epic war of them all : Abdalion vs Corporation Alliance and Organization Discussions Forum cli... Oh wait... bugger. Sexeh CRC Website [email protected] Public Service Announcement :* Tech II Boobies now in stock at your local Biomass Dealer! Offical Keeper of the key to Suvetar's Chastity Belt

jumper6 Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2006.08.24 23:20:00 - [81] bob v pa, that time was so unreal it made this game what it is imo. I would hope something that big could happen again ( in fact thats why i still play ), but i fear it never can
dalman Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.24 23:54:00 - [82] Originally by: Quutar Originally by: Siege Yeah, I'm going to vote on MOO vs. CCP as well. That war got downright nasty at times too, and caused a near rebellion among the entire player base at the time. The GM cadre and Tranquility really did a lot of changing as a result of that one. what happened there? (I am only 6 months old in this game) Nothing, really. The posters rly doesn't know anything. Like most old-timers, I rather consider the launch of EvE as the 'real launch of beta-test'. You could fight in 0.8 systems etc without anyproblems. Concord was a 'non-entity', sentryguns didn't exist, there was no aggression-timer before your could jump/dock, lag was a major problem and it was easy to create lag on purpose. Needless to say, ppl played by the game mechanics. As one of the leading pirate corps, m0o applied this to the carebears and got a whole lot of attention (which they may or may not have deserved) and of course CCP implemented and improved things in many patches, which of basicly all would have happened with or without m0o. There are basicly only 2 incidents to talk about: * A dev or gm (I'm not sure) team of 4 flying concord battleships were sent to break up a m0o camp in empire (at a time when players didn't have battleships), because the few groups of players that had the power to break m0o's camp simply had zero interest in doing so - and their camp was "bad for the game". * The podding of a gm by a m0o member. At this time there were no special gm ships, nor any rules set about not killing gms. But the GMs weren't very pleased with it... Am I forced to have any regret? I've become the lie, beautiful and free In my righteous own mind I adore and preach the insanity you gave to me
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.25 01:35:00 - [83] Originally by: Quutar wierd side question... what is the rivally or hostility between D2 and ASCN about... they are on oposite ends of the map? Pretty much began as a product of the well-worn "north vs south" global Eve war concept that was hammered over the latter months of 2005. /Ben
The Enslaver Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.25 01:50:00 - [84] Originally by: Taurequis Edited by: Taurequis on 24/08/2006 16:18:16 CA vs SA Anyone who says otherwise wasn't there or born yet. Taur edit - i got to write this - End of SAvsCA war... I was a long term member of CA, and can safely say that the CA-SA war was nothing in terms of rivalry than say, Coalition vs RA. Simply put - the CA-SA war was not (at least, for the last year of the war) designed to destroy either side - it was a war for PVP's sake. Both sides wanted to kill, simply - pure PVP was the single motive of the war. In reality, large portions of either side even wanted to form a close NAP/even merge the alliances to form the first real EVE Superpower. However, fact was - it didn't happen, as at the time there was nobody capable of providing such an entity with a decent, constant fight. The end of CA was not brought around by Stain, or anyones wishes to end CA, a fact which is well known - the end of CA was caused by massive internal issues that formed within its leadership. So, I respectfully disagree that that war can even be classed as a part of this. --------
Cmd Woodlouse Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2006.08.25 02:03:00 - [85] Edited by: Cmd Woodlouse on 25/08/2006 02:03:09 Originally by: Blacklight BoB & G/D2, have a lot of respect for each other but will still be hostile the day the servers get turned off, there was a tremendous clash of styles and philosophies between us following the GNW. Explain. G wasnt only consisting of CE, which was part of PA. So what? And not you what (lieing on floor laughing). -------------------------------- Even WOW is far better than EVE now. Please fix this broken Simcity-Pos-Game!
Baun Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.25 04:05:00 - [86] Edited by: Baun on 25/08/2006 04:07:04 Everyone's memory vs. Tornsoul Not the oldest, but probably among the most baseless. Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Tyrrax Thorrk Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.08.25 04:35:00 - [87] Originally by: dalman stuff re m0o They podded more than one gamemaster Quite a few have been podded, but they always reclaim the corpses. I remember a big fuss about GM Aeryn's corpse.. You forgot to mention when a silly GM transported the entire m0o corp like 30 jumps away (some with total carebear setups fitted) That was one of the most amusing mistakes a GM has made that i recall. http://eve.klaki.net/screens/gm.jpg http://eve.klaki.net/
Darpz Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.25 04:53:00 - [88] Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 25/08/2006 04:07:04 Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. dont know the specifics but it was during the time in your history you justified all your targets by calling them pirats and SA I guess were pirats i'm not sure of the incident that led us to that label
Baun Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.25 05:00:00 - [89] Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 25/08/2006 04:07:04 Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. dont know the specifics but it was during the time in your history you justified all your targets by calling them pirats and SA I guess were pirats i'm not sure of the incident that led us to that label Well the reason I don't remember is that I wasn't in an alliance OR Celes at that point ..... That sounds about right though :P The Enemy's Gate is Down
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.08.25 05:11:00 - [90] Originally by: Clementina RA versus the Coalition. Nothing but Hate. PA/NBSI versus FE. Didn't last very long, and neither did the alliances listed, but it had potential. PA didn't last long?! ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Therianthropic Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.25 05:45:00 - [91] Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk http://eve.klaki.net/screens/gm.jpg I ♥ that font. ___________________
darth solo Celestial Apocalypse	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:04:00 - [92] Originally by: Darpz Originally by: Baun Edited by: Baun on 25/08/2006 04:07:04 Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. dont know the specifics but it was during the time in your history you justified all your targets by calling them pirats and SA I guess were pirats i'm not sure of the incident that led us to that label SA kept on shooting us while we were trying to kill CA and refused to refund the loses. so we went to war with both alliances. empire was interesting. d solo.
thebold Rampage Eternal	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:16:00 - [93] nez vs bold. haha Hi Yall!
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:25:00 - [94] OMGTEHBOLD Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
F'nog Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.08.25 09:56:00 - [95] Originally by: EssexBoy The old SA - CA and Xetic - CA has to be in there as well This has to be the winner. Nothing else in Eve history has brought about as many flames, arguements, and general anger as these/this conflict(s). Anyone who wasn't here back then just can't imagine how much drama CA and its enemies spawned on the boards and in game. Nothing BoB (today's favorite enemy) could ever do would come close to the good old CA days. Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
Nez Perces Amarr Black Spot.	Posted - 2006.08.25 12:40:00 - [96] Originally by: thebold nez vs bold. haha Hi Yall! hehe.. <3
Liet Traep Minmatar Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.08.26 11:12:00 - [97] Originally by: Ben Derindar Originally by: Quutar wierd side question... what is the rivally or hostility between D2 and ASCN about... they are on oposite ends of the map? Pretty much began as a product of the well-worn "north vs south" global Eve war concept that was hammered over the latter months of 2005. /Ben Nope before that actually. A lot of us "northerners" started off in the south and got displaced. When the xetic civil war happened and ASCN did their formation thing(whch I still have issues with) a lot of us moved north. D2 is a combination of G and and other northern pilots, Trust which has a lot of the old xtech pilots and NBSI merged in later which had a lot of ex xetic pilots and a history with ASCN. The G guys have their own history with ASCN and the Trust group and NBSI group all had ex xetic pilots with reasons to be unfriendly to ASCN. I'd go on but this thread has been friendly so far.
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:10:00 - [98] SA vs FIX was mostly caused by the ex-CFS, -DSMA and -StA corps that joined SA, who wanted revenge, the idea of warring FIX got alot of support from the PvPers in SA who were bored after CA had disbanded. For my corp.. hmm gotta say HUFF vs ADGA, lets say we love to shoot each other whenever we get a chance
Crux Australis MotorSaikol LadrUNZ	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:30:00 - [99] Originally by: Archbishop Archie We'll meet again in space first or later ! ♥
GandolftheWhite Gallente Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:31:00 - [100] Originally by: Nahual Edited by: Nahual on 24/08/2006 03:32:48 Originally by: Hamatitio Phonix vs. Gunnery 26 mil now? pfft more like 30 mil + ahha...darko is such a light weight What good is gunnery in World of Warcraft?
Cohkka LoneWolf Mining R i s e	Posted - 2006.08.26 17:46:00 - [101] Originally by: Baun Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. Cowboy and Gyrn can tell you what happened exactly. Basicly it was due to SA not advising their newer corps/members who to shoot and who not to shoot. Gyrn and Cowboy were involved in the first of a few incidents, their Assaultships were popped and CB lost his pod while they had positive standings to eachother. CELES asked for refunding, but I guess SAs leadership didn't think it was urgent. While Gyrn was refunded by a corp that later became FIX, Cowboy didn't get anything. CELES got a bit ruppy and set a deadline, SA was set to -10. On the same day Cowboy, I believe, was refunded, too. They went back to neutral and CELES advised SA to not shoot neutrals in unclaimed space, which was the Catch pipe including HED-GP. They refused and the last incident in HED let CELES set SA back to -10. While both entitys were with medium sized gangs in HED, still on friendly terms, an ATUK Scorp enters local. The Scorp warps to the Keberz gate at 15km where it is emidiatly distroyed by the CELES forces. Aery Sun (sp?) then decides to attack the roughly smaller CELES gang. Surprised by the reaction of SA, CELES losses nearly the whole gang. For whose who don't know: ATUK and SA have been close allies since ATUK left CA (some ex-ATUK correct me if I'm wrong), while CELES and ATUK were arch-enemys since ATUK still were a medium sized mining corp. Trigger shows a last pittyfull attempt to solve this when he convoes Darth the same night. He ended the chat with the words "then **** off". I think it's been 2 years since that one started. Most people don't know how it started not, because it's been so long, but because no one realy knew enough about it in first place, appart from some SA leaders I doubt anyone in SA knew what happened and the explanations of some CELES members on the forum were always promptly answered with 1 page of flames. I didn't count but at least 5 threads were created about this, every one of them was closed after about 10 pages due to excessive smacking and flaming mainly by people who had oppinions, no real insight. It was funny and rediculous at the same time, but it was great. Don't speak english, just F5, F5, F5...
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.26 18:13:00 - [102] Originally by: Quutar How many honest rivaly or grudges are there in eve? I am curious about long standing wars or fights that have had the exact cause lost in time, or lost meaning, such that the fighting is there becasue it has always been. I know that alot of fights and wars are not personal, such that afterwards oponents might become allies agaist a different foe. But what are the grudge fights in eve? the wars that will never truely end, just pause? Best rivals in EVE history: CA vs SA The originals, that is.
Cowboy Caldari Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.08.27 09:52:00 - [103] Edited by: Cowboy on 27/08/2006 09:55:11 Originally by: Cohkka Originally by: Baun Has no one mentioned CELES vs. SA yet? That one is so old that I don't even really have any clue how it started. Cowboy and Gyrn can tell you what happened exactly. Basicly it was due to SA not advising their newer corps/members who to shoot and who not to shoot. Gyrn and Cowboy were involved in the first of a few incidents, their Assaultships were popped and CB lost his pod while they had positive standings to eachother. CELES asked for refunding, but I guess SAs leadership didn't think it was urgent. While Gyrn was refunded by a corp that later became FIX, Cowboy didn't get anything. CELES got a bit ruppy and set a deadline, SA was set to -10. On the same day Cowboy, I believe, was refunded, too. They went back to neutral and CELES advised SA to not shoot neutrals in unclaimed space, which was the Catch pipe including HED-GP. They refused and the last incident in HED let CELES set SA back to -10. While both entitys were with medium sized gangs in HED, still on friendly terms, an ATUK Scorp enters local. The Scorp warps to the Keberz gate at 15km where it is emidiatly distroyed by the CELES forces. Aery Sun (sp?) then decides to attack the roughly smaller CELES gang. Surprised by the reaction of SA, CELES losses nearly the whole gang. For whose who don't know: ATUK and SA have been close allies since ATUK left CA (some ex-ATUK correct me if I'm wrong), while CELES and ATUK were arch-enemys since ATUK still were a medium sized mining corp. Trigger shows a last pittyfull attempt to solve this when he convoes Darth the same night. He ended the chat with the words "then **** off". I think it's been 2 years since that one started. Most people don't know how it started not, because it's been so long, but because no one realy knew enough about it in first place, appart from some SA leaders I doubt anyone in SA knew what happened and the explanations of some CELES members on the forum were always promptly answered with 1 page of flames. I didn't count but at least 5 threads were created about this, every one of them was closed after about 10 pages due to excessive smacking and flaming mainly by people who had oppinions, no real insight. It was funny and rediculous at the same time, but it was great. Nail on head in terms of the SA conflict. As for other rivalries, I like the old CELES vs BoB one. I was there the day the RKK boards (in the friends area) lit up like christmas tree in flames. The falling out was a matter of point of view. Many in CELES wanted to fight alongside RKK but not the expense of flying with m0o. Things were said out both sides which destroyed the friendship. And CELES vs. ATUK/Dice. All can say is wow. I still harbor a deep dislike for them and would not fly along side 95% of them if I was called to do so. I know they prob feel the same of me, which is fine But I must admit Loxy is a cuddly bear. It has to be one of the best feuds out there.
LTD THOR Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:17:00 - [104] we all vs. RL.. -.0 My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)

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