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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.24 05:14:00 -
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Edited by: Mitchman on 24/08/2006 05:19:43
We do not usually present numbers at the end of our contracts, but because this war has been much discussed, we have decided to make an exception this time.
In early July, we were contracted against PIE and Aegis Militia, and soon the contract would include CVA and INTAKI UNION. Other corporations followed, so we eventually had upto 8 target entities in our contract, with the major targets being CVA, Aegis Militia and Novus Ordos Seclorum.
The contract included the named targets as well as any and all non-friendly in the CVA-controlled Providence region. During of the contract, we achived the following statistics:
Ship class Kills Losses
Assault frigate 181
Battlecruiser 242
Battleship 6025
Capsule 19911
Carrier 10
Command ship 71
Covert ops 121
Cruiser 791
Destroyer 30
Frigate 452
Heavy assault 135
Industrial 330
Interceptor 4735
Interdictor 01
Logistics 10
Mining barge 20
Recon ship 183
Transport 6 0
Total: 600 88
Damage done: 10270.084M
Damage received: 2253.4M
Efficiency: 82.01%
All these numbers are based on the eve-killboard.net statistics and ship values.
In our campain in Providence, we achived the following statistics:
Ship class Kills Losses
Assault frigate 230
Battlecruiser 470
Battleship 939
Capsule 29310
Command ship 01
Covert ops 140
Cruiser 764
Destroyer 50
Frigate 512
Heavy assault 156
Industrial 750
Interceptor 4034
Interdictor 21
Mining barge 60
Recon ship 110
Transport 60
Total: 800 67
Damage done: 9685.012M
Damage received: 1397.4M
Efficiency: 87.39%
At the end, we would like to thank CVA & allies for nice fights and civil behaviour in local, aswell as our contractor for this contract. A special thanks for the kind words about us in http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=381449.
We will soon be available for new contracts.
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Kyguard
LFC
3rd Front Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 05:24:00 -
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Edited by: Kyguard on 24/08/2006 05:25:41
First.. 
Nice stats apart from the ceptor losses, but those are usually high 
Edit: damn kilrock die 
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KilROCK
Minmatar
Angel Deep Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.24 05:24:00 -
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Looks like it was a well executed contract..
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 06:13:00 -
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Mitch and his crew will always be elite.
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Don ZOLA
Caldari
TunDraGon
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Posted - 2006.08.24 08:10:00 -
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impressive stats mitch, glad u continued doing great :)
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Crusari
Gallente
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:21:00 -
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Thx for the fights CVA, NOS and PIE. I enjoyed it, nice ganks, but also nice and fair fights which makes it all worth it
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Majaraw Awalabas
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:32:00 -
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Your statistics are as inflated as your ego.
Am I correct in assuming you take responsibility for the kill of the PIE carrier using your taranis and ishtar, conveniently ignoring the 8 non-OMNOR battleships and other non-OMNOR ships that participated in its demise.
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juduzz
Amarr
Memento.Mori
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:40:00 -
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So im guessing 99% of the inty losses was altai? :P
and good job nice stats
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Mitchman
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Your statistics are as inflated as your ego.
Your smacktalk doesn't reflect well on your and your corporation. Hopefully, you do not represent PIE's official opinion.
Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Am I correct in assuming you take responsibility for the kill of the PIE carrier using your taranis and ishtar, conveniently ignoring the 8 non-OMNOR battleships and other non-OMNOR ships that participated in its demise.
We participated in the kill, and our killboard reflects that for those that would like to check every kill. Our killboard does not support fractions when it comes to who was on a kill or not.
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Deja Thoris
Contraband Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:45:00 -
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Nice stats, judging from Marajaws response you've wound him up sufficiently.
You guys are a class act.
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Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.24 09:51:00 -
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Stats are irrelevant all we want to know is will there be a vid 
p.s they are very nice stats 
Originally by: DB Preacher
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Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Am I correct in assuming you take responsibility for the kill of the PIE carrier using your taranis and ishtar, conveniently ignoring the 8 non-OMNOR battleships and other non-OMNOR ships that participated in its demise.
If a covert ops puts a warp scrambler on a target, it counts as part of the kill. If there are 417 other pilots on the kill mail, and the Covert Ops is the only MC ship there, guess what? It goes on the MC kill board.
Name any other alliance that operates differently.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 10:58:00 -
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I'm not an expert on these things, but from a statistical point of view, two organisations both counting the same kill in their stats seems slightly dubious.
Having said that though, OO proved to be very capable pilots for the most part, and I'm sure that they'll never be short of work.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Habraka
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Mitchman
At the end, we would like to thank CVA & allies for nice fights and civil behaviour in local, aswell as our contractor for this contract.
Thank zincol, he recommended you to me.
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wierchas noobhunter
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:28:00 -
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nice stats
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ParMizaN
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:45:00 -
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good stats
sig edited for lack of pink really
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jamesw
Omniscient Order
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:45:00 -
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Originally by: Majaraw Awalabas
Your statistics are as inflated as your ego.
Am I correct in assuming you take responsibility for the kill of the PIE carrier using your taranis and ishtar, conveniently ignoring the 8 non-OMNOR battleships and other non-OMNOR ships that participated in its demise.
It could be said that without the help of the Priory battleships we may not have killed that carrier, however those 8 battleships would most certainly not have killed the carrier without the Omniscient Order. It was our pilots that alerted them to its position, and called them into system to assist in a quick takedown.
Indeed, I think that if the PIE carrier would have had some modules fitted to it (thats right folks, it was naked), you would have seen an Omniscient Order carrier on its killmail too. In the time it took for our carrier pilot to dock, switch ships, and undock, the PIE carrier was already dead.
Now, please do enlighten me as to how we should not take at least an equal claim in that kill.
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.24 11:49:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Now, please do enlighten me as to how we should not take at least an equal claim in that kill.
Cause they are the good guys and we are the bad guys?
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:03:00 -
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Originally by: jamesw
Now, please do enlighten me as to how we should not take at least an equal claim in that kill.
Because on a statistical level, it leads to all sorts of anomalies.
Unless of course when your ship gets destroyed and two different corps appear on the mail you post it as two losses.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:15:00 -
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There really isn't any anomaly unless they'd be reporting kills achieved for themselves and for another corporation. In that case, the number of kills would be doubled in a false fashion and for statistical accuracy the data would have to be adjusted accordingly (ie. the double kills removed). However, they are only listing kills that are credited (either wholly or in part) to Omniscient and their statistics are not at all flawed in that respect.
Statistics only do what you want them to do, they're not the objective truth that answers all questions despite popular myth. In this case the statistics do very well in reflecting Omniscient Order's record of combat kills.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:28:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/08/2006 12:29:54
Originally by: GoGo Yubari
There really isn't any anomaly unless they'd be reporting kills achieved for themselves and for another corporation. In that case, the number of kills would be doubled in a false fashion and for statistical accuracy the data would have to be adjusted accordingly (ie. the double kills removed). However, they are only listing kills that are credited (either wholly or in part) to Omniscient and their statistics are not at all flawed in that respect.
Statistics only do what you want them to do, they're not the objective truth that answers all questions despite popular myth. In this case the statistics do very well in reflecting Omniscient Order's record of combat kills.
It's the wholly or part that leads to problems, as part kills are counted as whole kills.
If this is how everyone gets their statsitics sorted out, then I'm not blaming anyone in particular here, and I'm sure that OO's stats would look good no matter how they were compiled.
Just to clear things up, if two merc corps are hired to attack a target and they both appear on the killmail, would they both normally add the kill to their boards for inclusion in their statistics, and if those killboards are used to determine payment would they both be paid for a complete kill, or would they share the money?
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Kaleeb
Celestial Apocalypse
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:37:00 -
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Edited by: Kaleeb on 24/08/2006 12:37:08
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 24/08/2006 12:29:54
Originally by: GoGo Yubari
There really isn't any anomaly unless they'd be reporting kills achieved for themselves and for another corporation. In that case, the number of kills would be doubled in a false fashion and for statistical accuracy the data would have to be adjusted accordingly (ie. the double kills removed). However, they are only listing kills that are credited (either wholly or in part) to Omniscient and their statistics are not at all flawed in that respect.
Statistics only do what you want them to do, they're not the objective truth that answers all questions despite popular myth. In this case the statistics do very well in reflecting Omniscient Order's record of combat kills.
It's the wholly or part that leads to problems, as part kills are counted as whole kills.
If this is how everyone gets their statsitics sorted out, then I'm not blaming anyone in particular here, and I'm sure that OO's stats would look good no matter how they were compiled.
Just to clear things up, if two merc corps are hired to attack a target and they both appear on the killmail, would they both normally add the kill to their boards for inclusion in their statistics, and if those killboards are used to determine payment would they both be paid for a complete kill, or would they share the money?
Originally by: DB Preacher
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:43:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Just to clear things up, if two merc corps are hired to attack a target and they both appear on the killmail, would they both normally add the kill to their boards for inclusion in their statistics, and if those killboards are used to determine payment would they both be paid for a complete kill, or would they share the money?
This happend a lot during the war, cause as you know multiple mercenary corps were hired, and they were all paid for every kill they participated in, not only for all final blows or solo kills, but for every killmail their corp name was on.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.24 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Just to clear things up, if two merc corps are hired to attack a target and they both appear on the killmail, would they both normally add the kill to their boards for inclusion in their statistics, and if those killboards are used to determine payment would they both be paid for a complete kill, or would they share the money?
This happend a lot during the war, cause as you know multiple mercenary corps were hired, and they were all paid for every kill they participated in, not only for all final blows or solo kills, but for every killmail their corp name was on.
So if one corp killed a recon cruiser you'd pay out, say 100 million, but if they had help from another corp you'd pay a total of 200 million? 
/emote starts recalculating the size of Astarte's wallet
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 13:15:00 -
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I think some of us would do well to remember that this is an out of character forum
The numbers speak for themselves. Omniscient Order had a very successful campaign in a target rich environment. Most effective were their interceptor gangs...call 'em "cheap ganks" if you want, but we never did figure out a decently effective counter to OO's inties because they knew what they could handle and what they couldn't handle and the interceptor is the ultimate ship for deciding the terms of engage/disengage.
A good number of hacs, command ships, and recon cruisers met their demise at the hands of 5 or 6 interceptors...and against a small organization like Omniscient Order who are smart about how/when they engage...those are careless kills that you can never "get back."
Obviously letting a carrier get jumped by a combined gang didn't help much 
The overall strategic value of these kills for Verisum Family could be argued all day long...but what cannot be argued is that Omniscient Order came in and kicked a lot of ass. Impressive results.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Ethidium Bromide on 24/08/2006 13:18:04
as far as i can remember there was no smack from OMNOR at any time.
i dislike the fact you had to fight efficiently but then you are mercs:) you are payed to get kills and not make us enjoy ourselves in killing you
although i have to say it is very annoying to fight interceptor squads looking for ganks but then you are mercs:) you are payed to get kills and not make us enjoy ourselves in killing you
the stats: well i didn't keep track but i guess you will interpret them in another way than we will.
other than that: good luck in the future and many contracts
it hurts me to say so but i have to admit you did a good job for your employer there
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.24 13:38:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
It's the wholly or part that leads to problems, as part kills are counted as whole kills.
If this is how everyone gets their statsitics sorted out, then I'm not blaming anyone in particular here, and I'm sure that OO's stats would look good no matter how they were compiled.
Just to clear things up, if two merc corps are hired to attack a target and they both appear on the killmail, would they both normally add the kill to their boards for inclusion in their statistics, and if those killboards are used to determine payment would they both be paid for a complete kill, or would they share the money?
Yes that's how it would go, if the party receiving the killmail agreed to hand it out to the other party (in this case, I assume they would, if both parties are professional mercenaries). So, the default statistical point of killboards is to list all kills the group has inflicted/been part of (and in some rarer cases, suffered). That's exactly what it does.
If you want to use the statistics to do something else or combine two sources, you have to adjust how you present it for it to be accurate. In fact, in statistics you always need to consider the presentation to fit the objective you have in mind. The numbers themselves do very little except confuse the young and amuse the elderly.
So, in the case of mercenaries and their clients, it would really depend on what the client needs to know or what the merc wants the public to know. If the client pays per kill inflicted, they'd be wise to do so per kill-mail, not participation. If they pay per kill-mail, they pay for actual destroyed assets. If they pay per participation, they're in effect paying a salary for individual performance. In fact, the latter method - while unfair to the employer in the case of mercenary units - could be used by non-mercenary alliances to good effect to get their people to fight.
If the client wants to know total kills inflicted, they can look at the killboard(s) unless they used several different mercenary outfits in which case they would need to remove double kills. If all kills were stored in one killboard, it would be trivial to filter the information, but since they can be spread out over different databases it is often impractical in the case of joint forces.
Anyway, I'm sorry for the thread hijack, but I like talking shop. 
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CamelKnight
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Posted - 2006.08.24 13:54:00 -
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Your stats made me smile :) thnx!
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Roke E'raith
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 13:55:00 -
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Impressing no doubt.
A question though: Has the numbers been "washed" from the kills on your board from the kills of TSDS/Priory/KIA? I noticed several kills was without ANY Omniscient Order on the killmail (and I personally know a battle with KIA only which is on your killboard)?
The use of statistics is to show how proficient you are. But if you are not in alliance with KIA/TSDS and Priory, does their kills add to you statistics?
If I were KIA (who also are good) I would not be as happy if my kills where used as PR for another mercenary corporation...
If you want proof - check the statistics against Auctoritan Syndicate...
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Solusar
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.24 14:04:00 -
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Very nice stats indeed however I feel its abit unfair labeling the topic "against CVA" when only 170 of those 600 ships destroyed belonged to CVA.
Good fights from Omni and very little smack. I look forward to round 3 ;)
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