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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2003.10.13 16:48:00 -
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Edited by: BoBoZoBo on 13/10/2003 16:51:48
All of you want everyone to be the same...
waahhh hes got it...I want it.
He attacked me in a MMPROG made for PvP, I want to cry and have CCP take his stuff away and give it to mee cuz I am too lame and lack imagination to play along and hunt his a*s down and kill him.
DAM COMMIES!
We have the tools, your paying for it, play with it.
(Exception... Expliots, bugs, and just plain bad form.)
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Avon
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:22:00 -
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You obviously have no idea what communism is.
But then again, you can't spell 'damn' either, so I guess you are no mental giant.
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Xen0
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:24:00 -
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lol
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:25:00 -
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All of you want everyone to be the same...
waahhh hes got it...I want it.
He attacked me in a MMPROG made for PvP, I want to cry and have CCP take his stuff away and give it to mee cuz I am too lame and lack imagination to play along and hunt his a*s down and kill him.
DAM COMMIES!
We have the tools, your paying for it, play with it.
(Exception... Expliots, bugs, and just plain bad form.)
Ummm, what in the world has that got to do with communism? And even then your not really saying anything new.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:28:00 -
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Edited by: Drethen Nerevitas on 13/10/2003 17:28:51
99% of the world seems to think communism is ebil naxi dictatorship.
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Amin
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Posted - 2003.10.13 17:32:00 -
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Yes damn those evil Naxi's 
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.13 18:27:00 -
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Go learn about things you dont understand before posting and letting everyone see you are a mis-informed ass.
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Hyundai
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Posted - 2003.10.13 18:52:00 -
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" I wasnt aware of this..."
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:02:00 -
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Edited by: Ulendar on 13/10/2003 19:11:25
lol...
I wonder why people always talk about communism asif its a bad thing.
Just seems to me like alot of people are misinformed about what comunism really is.
for alot of people who live on the earth today comunism would prolly be a godsent since the ability to take care of onesself is not something everyone posseses it seems.
BoBo...i feel for you...i really do but you can't go around posting something inconsistant and for most part illigeble and expect people to post something constructive O_o
on a sidenote: Communism thrives in the real world two. It was just kicked in the balls by a couple greedy capitalists and now when they finally realise the system doesnt work and after they painted the devil on communism they start forcefeeding us cumministic ideals and various antfarm beliefs. You cant really paint the lines so thick. What the people in power are really trying to say is...
We want you all to work for us at no cost and make us filthy rich. Possibly we even want to treat you like slaves and reserve a special breed of you for entertainment purposes.
Nomatter what they call it thats what they are really trying to say. Sad as it is. Call it communism if you like...call it capitalism if you like but in the end it boils down to the same undesirable picture. You are just an ant and all your belongings are but an illusion. You are owner of nothing but your own bones...in some occasions but most of the time your bones are belonging to your 'duty'.
Sorry to burst your bubble but in this world you are either a slave or a slaver, there is no equaliberty, there is only the bang of your buck :p
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:05:00 -
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Communism is a nice idea...
...it's just completely incompatible with the human race  .
OMGOMGOMG I admitted to liking communism, quick hide the red book!
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BobGhengisKhan
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:08:00 -
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Yeah, that's right. It's a nice idea of Marx's to abolish the family and throw children into orphanage/factories to be raised to put the state first
This thread should die.
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Probe
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:18:00 -
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You obviously have no idea what communism is.
But then again, you can't spell 'damn' either, so I guess you are no mental giant.
BRUTAL!!!!!! 
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Ulendar
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:19:00 -
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Yeah, that's right. It's a nice idea of Marx's to abolish the family and throw children into orphanage/factories to be raised to put the state first
Please dont speak....you have no idea.
Nothing in communism has anything todo with childlabor or family values. Thats the part you control for yourself. Like when you would in a capitalistical nation. you can choose to put your kid in a home or to put him on the street as a beggar. Its all up to you.
In any case you heard of childlabor or mass orphaning in a communistic system you witnessed an abuse of power. Like there is abuse of power in the current capitalistic world. A good example is how GJ bush was elected for example
Am i defending communism or making pro-communis remarks?
No i am not. I believe that it doesnt matter wich way you swing it still boils down to abuse of power in every single ocasion.
Im simply saying that the people who are currently sleeping on the bench in the park or living on wellfare or are otherwise unamployed for whatever cercomstances, would be better off in a communistic state
Originally by: cashman
It's time for Eris to get a clue. CCP should make a statement about this.
It's the exact same things as what Zombie did, you may not attack in "safe-areas" (empire/within sentry range) without loosing your ship.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:26:00 -
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Not if that communist state had everyone sleeping on the park benches instead .
Communism is incompatible with humans because of greed. End report .
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Danton Marcellus
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:27:00 -
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waahhh hes got it...I want it.
That there little witchhunter is capitalism.
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DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:06:00 -
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I take offense to this thread. The grossly missplaced "communism" term is being used to describe the actions of little kids and whiner carebears, ie. original poster.
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Drethen Nerevitas
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:13:00 -
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:21:00 -
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Communism ia a good idea but we are just to greedy. And for all the idiots communism has nothing to do with child labour, wars, opression ect.
It is all about advancment of the human race and that being your goal and reward in life. Not money.
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Zakalwe
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:23:00 -
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You obviously have no idea what communism is.
Bah, live in France for 2 years and you'll see...
Hmmm...
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Xander Teg
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:27:00 -
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Sigh.
I guess i need to explain things:
The proletarians have nothing to lose but their chains. They have a world to win. WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!
now that is capitalism
Communism is when there is no government.
er...wait a second.
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Eva Rickenbacker
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Posted - 2003.10.13 20:32:00 -
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I thought capitalism was when the workers got screwed over so the rich people at the top could get even richer :-).
The fact is that communism is a nice idea, but so far not one country has successfully adapted it. Most tend to get stuck in a semi-dictatorship, like the Soviet Union did. North Korea is not a communist country, but it suits its totalitarian dictator to say it is...
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:06:00 -
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China's not doing so badly with it.
Beware the dragon, they think on an entirely different level.
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Marias irreal
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:15:00 -
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Communism has nothing to do with centralised state control. You might more accurately describe that as Stalinism.
If you actually read what Marx wrotw, you will conclude that the basic principles of communism are:
1) To each according to their needs, From each according to their means
(In other words, everyone who can work, should, and people who cant should still receive what they need. In the real world, this equates to Health care and education free at the point of delivery).
2) The proletariat own the means of production, distribution and exchange.
(In other words, people dont sit there owning a factory and doing nothing, yet creaming money off the workers. The workers collectivly own the factory, either through state ownership, a co-operative, or just widespread share ownership).
Im not saying its a good or bad system, just clarifying what communism is. And its not incompatible with human nature. Anyone that supports any system where taxation exists is approving of the first principle, its just a matter of drawing a line where you consider private interests and common good to meet.
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Dul Aaklyr
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:17:00 -
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It sure does suck that our evil capitalist governments block our access to those fun and exciting online games that thrive in those dynamically creative communistic economies.
We are practically slaves here passing our freetime on machines that cost roughly a full year's GPD per capita of the rich communist countries. If only we weren't so oppressed by our corupt leaders who steal elections and the corporate slave-lords who get fat on our toil, we might have some real fun sitting back and flying imaginary space-ships in a worker's paradise.
Dang, I guess I need to learn Chinese so I can play some really great games. I just hope they dont reform their economy further and spoil my only chance to enjoy my leisure time.
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:50:00 -
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Communism has nothing to do with centralised state control. You might more accurately describe that as Stalinism.
If you actually read what Marx wrotw, you will conclude that the basic principles of communism are:
1) To each according to their needs, From each according to their means
(In other words, everyone who can work, should, and people who cant should still receive what they need. In the real world, this equates to Health care and education free at the point of delivery).
THANK YOU for proving my point.
I did not mean the CCP philosophy was cummunistic, but mostly the attitude of some the people in here.
I have read the Communist Manifesto, as well as many other political, social and religious doctrines. However, unlike most of you armchair politicians, I have also participated in many a political events including events you have probably never even heard of..
So as for the case of me being misinformed... you have no clue of my capabilities, and the fact that someone above bases my information on mispelling "damn" I have to say that it is a waek argument based on nothing else to say.
Back to the discussion at hand. I never said Communisim in itself is a bad thing, the idea is not bad, but as someone said earlier, it is what people do with it. That, of course can be said about anything, even the best ideas can be screwed up by the people.
To make my point we look at the quote so graciously given to us from the Manifesto...
"To each according to their needs, From each according to their means"
Good or bad interpritation of it... you have to agree with me that there are quite a few individuals here that because someone has it, they think they are entitled to it, pure and simple.
The pretence is Communistic...hence the ROOT of the word...Commune.
I, for one, never believed in a free ride, but that is a different discussion.
Its good that most of you know how to read a famous book, now most of you need to understand how those things apply to the real world.
No, you guys need to get over this and stop being so dam sensitive. Just have fun
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Dul Aaklyr
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:00:00 -
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putting on economist hat -
Communism is not a nice idea, and its not just bad leaders that have made it destory (or in progress) every country that has given it a shot.
--ah nevermind (taking off economist hat).
If anyone is still under the impression that communism is logically, moraly, philosphically, or practicaly defensible given the world's experience with it, no talking about it will help at this point.
It is only politically defensible, which is all it ever was. People who still think there is something to be said for the idea cannot be won over by an appeal to any other dimension of human understanding.
There is a linkage, I suppose, between the sort of mind that would enjoy this game and the sort that initially was attracted to Marx and Lenin, i.e. the creatvity and imagination etc. But one would hope this community is also marked by the logic and the ability to learn from experience that would lead it to recognize bad ideas when they see them exposed.
-Dang, big edits 'cause I accidently slipped into a preacher's hat-
Communism isn't cute. If you wanna pretend to be evil, go watch yer horror movies and blow up some newbies (like me) when you run across them. But don't casually recommend your "nice idea" of communism while sitting around in your leisure time playing a subscription-based computer game that requires more income and more capital than most people living under communism have ever seen. Its in bad taste.
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Lliad
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:13:00 -
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Edited by: Lliad on 13/10/2003 22:17:36
Actually the reason communism failed in the past was due to the fact that the states econimies were to small to handle it( and also ppls own personal greed). At present almost all 1st world countries could happily run under a communist ideal.
On a political scale of evolution. Communism is the most ideal way for ppl to live but it can only ever be achevied ofer time. It took 1000s of years for countries to move from monachys to capatilst based states. So it will likely take another 1000 years before the human race is advanced and civilised enough to implament communism.
And about commies in this game. Communism has nothing to do with what a person is entilted to, comunisim does not work on the bases that since one person has it we all should. So i suggest you actually go read a comunist manifesto and get a better undersating of it before you try to comment on it.
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Aissa
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:24:00 -
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You can thank MacCarthy (sp?) et al. back in the day for the word "communism" or "commie" being used as a derogatory remark, and generally within the borders of the USA or Americanized Cultures.
Reading, or even participating in political events does not in fact demonstrate functional understanding of ideologies. I'm not saying anyone here is or isn't, but rather I suspect many could point to someone outside of this sphere that has indeed said one thing and done the absolute ideological opposite (isn't that the typical definition of Politician? ).
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BoBoZoBo
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:26:00 -
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Sigh...
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:53:00 -
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Edited by: Rizmordan Hillgotlieb on 15/10/2003 00:36:00
I think that everyone's political views "taint" or "paint" EVE into what it is. You got your Socialists, Communists, Capitalists, Utopians, Anarchists, Fascists, Social Democrats (third way peeps). Both Liberals and Conservatives. Plus as an added bonus the occasional Megalomaniac bent on universal domination (or some form of it).
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