Battleships need a good 30% increase in dps across the board. As it stands, we have all sorts of cruisers encroaching on battleship level DPS and tank plus better mobility and agility save for a handful.

I think that 30% is more than a bit too high as an across the board buff, but certainly some ships and weapons are going to some fairly large increases if all goes as planned, mostly in things that currently under-perform.

That's only because of links and suff thats smaller than an escape pod @5000+m/s.

...Or because some weapons just need some real love. Large ACs are in a pretty bad spot for DPS, and are completely inferior out to linked faction point range.

Yes poor projectile weapons, need no cap, haz 3 billion alpha and the short range guns have short range, that's really odd.

If you want to help out the scorp I think rather then adding more jam power to make i relevent i think keeping it mostly the same but adding a cycle time reduction could make it useful in pvp again as well as adding a new way to use ECM/Burst

(depending on the amount of reduction the strength bonus to ECM burst may need to be modified

*sigh* ...you never forget your first...

The Scorpion was my first ever battleship when I was still in (EVE-)diapers, only to loose her in a level 4 "Duo of Death" vs. Sanshas - ouch..

Scary territory dear.

The ECM burst bonus is unique but not powerful enough to call broken, since it breakes target locks once and maybe once more 30 seconds later.

I wish the Scorpion would actually be able to poke you from behind and knock you of your feet or out of your ship in our case. That automatic "primary" that the Scorpion has going right now is just sad.

The only thing you will be jamming with her are tech 1 frigates and maybe tech 1 cuisers but everything else will just ignore her or make the call to remove her from the field.

If it were up to me, I would make the Scorpion a "bigger Rook".

-gets too long to read-

then it would start to but into the Widows role causing it to cycle faster will help it mix well with damping fleets as you raise your chance to jam but they don't last as long

That is not what I want but black ops haven't being changed yet. Meaning that it wouldn't hurt the Scorpion if they do it.

At this time it is difficult to talk about black ops because they lack something cool and unique besides the "bridge 50 bombers there, bomb, come home".

While a nice featue the ships themselves don't offer that much.

When you read "black ops" you think about some cool navy seals that sneak into enemy territory, do stuff, get out and not "jump 50 covert ops bombs with remote operation".

Then we have this current pickle with our entire ewar. That's what I meant, when I said "scary territory".

I started to write a longer post, but realized I should probably stay away from talking about specific numbers without doing some of my own math first.

In short, I agree that Battleships and Combat Battlecruisers are, in general, not strong enough currently. I also believe there is room to safely buff them without pushing other classes of ships to obsolescence. The main areas I would prefer to see Battleships excel in are staying power (in the form of higher base HP for their preferred defense) and range (in the form of higher base range on long range large weapons).

A nerf to bombs would go a long way to help the BS.

That's only because of links and suff thats smaller than an escape pod @5000+m/s.

I'm surprised you'd say so, I've gone up against PL a couple of times when they fielded napocs with archon support, and considering who you were fighting against, it didn't do as one sided as I expected they would against eagles. I'd say that the average PL player is probably a little more experienced and well skilled than the players you were up against, PL also had good bomber support on the field, eyes in the enemy fleet, really high end loki support, and napocs fit with triple plates and t2 rigs, and honestly, I was very surprised by how many napocs went down.

All things considered, it was a fun fight, and I'm glad PL brought napocs instead of t3s, but I think it shows how resilient hac doctrines are against battleships.

Nope. These are nto supposed to be the battleships targets.

When we detect a fleet of a few battleships and RR ships at 5-7 jumps and someoen ask if we shoudl bbring battleships. .the answer is always NO!!! BEcause battleships do nto bring extra damage capability Even over other battleships to be worth HUGE travel time

Question to you all who care: Are there particularly important ranges other than m4, t2 and top faction ranges for webs, scrams and points, with and without links that you want made a particular note of in the weapon comparisons? Is it worth noting loki web range for example, or just let those who care remember it and use that? Proteus point range?

Also, are there any particular mistakes or additions in the issues with the t1 and pirate ships? I know I haven't gotten to the navy hulls yet, and I'm kicking myself on it and they are on the way for the self imposed end of the week deadline.

On 0.0, battleship mobility is NOT a huge drawback because of titan bridges.

Battleships pwoer must be scaled accordign to their OWN travel capabilities. With the new jump changes you will see less and less battleships used, because titans bridgign them left and right will not be as easy.

James dear, no that would be a little overboard. And as far as I know the ewar subs on tech 3 were in the same range as the current recon ships.
Let's keep our focus on battleships and battlecruisers.

...I believe that cruisers have overtaken battleships, and I lump battlecruisers in with cruisers for a good reason.
The reason for this, is that the only difference between the ships is one of size.

They were competing for the same exact roles, in too many cases.
CCP has evolved the cruisers to absorb the roles previously performed by the BS....