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Louis Troubadour
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:22:00 -
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Take my life, please!”
- Pre-warp comedian.
Declare on us! I know there are a lot of you out there tired of staring at your screen watching your macro move ore from your cargo to a secure can [ oops shhhhh! no macro-ing allowed]. Maybe you’re just tired of chain-spawning NPC pirates, which you dispatch with no element of risk. Here’s the deal for all you empire space dwellers [.5+] that want some action for whatever reason:
a) We fly frigates only (although we do use industrial ships for E.W. and looting the spoils of war).
b) You will rarely be overmatched by us and we are willing to take the frig losses just to have fun. Don’t get me wrong, we may actually nail one of you from time to time, but for the most part, we are gonna take a beating. Even though we take that beating, it’s damn sure a lot fun trying.
So what do you get for the cheap cost of a measly unused war slot?
a) Some fun! You will add some spice to your game play, as you watch over your shoulder wondering if we are coming. You get to police yourselves instead of letting concord protect you!
b) You get some ship to ship combat experience.
c) Hey, that fun this is important enough to mention again.
Look, you won’t take any security hits because we would be at war. It would be as close as you can get to a standup fight, because we know you all have to be tired of hopping into a camped system with 5000 drones to lag you and 17 battleships waiting to blast you at the jump in point. Don’t expect us to fight if it’s utterly suicidal for us. That’s no fun for either side. If we think we can inflict some hurt on you, we will fight to the bitter end. Camping 5 of us at station with 3 scorpions and 2 blackbirds and expecting us to come out and fight is a bit ridiculous.
We do not pod as a general rule, though accidents will occur - such as splash damage from missiles. I’m not asking for the same respect in return. We won’t complain - its part of the game.
For those who tell us to go into 0.0 space to fight, the answer is we live and fight in 0.0 space most of the time - almost since our conception. So don’t lecture me or respond to this thread with “go to 0.0!” As a whole MF pilots haves been killed/podded more times than there are stars in the sky. We take our toll also though, and I would like to think those we have jumped or jumped us in 0.0 have had a good time.
Bottom line is, if you want some element of risk declare war on us. If you are content to chop rocks in complete safety, please continue to do so. I know everyone has a different view on what’s fun and what is not
“Objects in your rearview mirror are as small as they appear to be”
-Mercenary Frigates
Omri
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Rath Amon
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:41:00 -
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This is a pretty stupid idea. You frigate fad people risk exactly zero flying alt characters with no skills or implants in throwaway frigates that cost pocket change.
Why would a corp declare war and risk real characters in expensive ships for absolutely no reason?
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:42:00 -
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Edited by: Fetty Chico on 13/10/2003 19:44:02
I know first hand, people really think cause some pvper camp gates that all are stupid and cant win in "fair" fight
got news, while you been chopping rocks. we learn tactics. and no, not exploits
I speak for myself, I have tried and learned what will and wont work, in a one on one frig fight, few could beat me
be glad Amarr house limit to their race, other wise I might be ruling
and why use 50 million ship, and lose it when a few dozen 100k be more dangerous.
fight smarter, not harder
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
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DREAMWORKS
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:49:00 -
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Sorry, i rather fight Battleships. 
But if you come on chaos all, i can duel you all.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.13 19:52:00 -
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poor battleships, they fear tech 2 frigs and cruisers, cause well get those b4 we get tect 2 battleships
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
Ponder Stibbons
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:23:00 -
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This is a pretty stupid idea. You frigate fad people risk exactly zero flying alt characters with no skills or implants in throwaway frigates that cost pocket change.
Why would a corp declare war and risk real characters in expensive ships for absolutely no reason?
I know for a fact, Omri and many in MF are not alts.Many joined mercenary frigates with their mains, 3 million skill points and implants included.
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Easy Target
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Posted - 2003.10.13 21:44:00 -
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what is the point u ask....
i am sure it is as funny as hell....
in fact MF could i come along on one of your killing sprees??
i have a rifter to use...
and for the pleasure i`ll do u a 10 copy rifter BP for nowt as well...
cos i`m nice like that
eve mail me or convo
Easy Target in game...
yes i do have a cruiser as well
but it sounds like a fab idea...
i will be fully kitted out myself... all u have to do is provide the time and the place and the laughs...
havent been podded in ages... i`m due
cheers
Easy Target
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MoVu
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Posted - 2003.10.13 22:05:00 -
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Louis,
I have been looking for some action do you have any opening in your corp. I would love to kill some one or be killed by some one which ever comes first.
Give me a holler,
Thanks,
MoVu
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.14 00:51:00 -
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""This is a pretty stupid idea. You frigate fad people risk exactly zero flying alt characters with no skills or implants in throwaway frigates that cost pocket change.
Why would a corp declare war and risk real characters in expensive ships for absolutely no reason?""
i gave the reasons to declare war. if you dont like them then dont declare war. and we arnt all alts. i know thats what you would like to believe ,but its not true. this is my main.
i have an alt in the corp tho. but who doesnt have an alt?
and why does it havta be a "stupid idea" just cause you dont like it. hey i dont belittle whatever it is your trying to accomplish. as i said in the post , people have fun in differnt ways. and if its just a "frigate fad" why all the venom, you have nothing to worry about.
objects in your rearview mirror are as small as they appear to be.
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Fetty Chico
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:01:00 -
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He a decendant of the general that was in charge of the Death Star
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Tell my tale to those who ask.
Tell it truly - the ill deeds, along with the good - and let me be judged accordingly.
If this world was supposed to be friendly
CCP wouldnt have wasted time paying the devs to code so many weapons |
omri
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:02:00 -
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This is a pretty stupid idea. You frigate fad people risk exactly zero flying alt characters with no skills or implants in throwaway frigates that cost pocket change.
Why would a corp declare war and risk real characters in expensive ships for absolutely no reason?
i gave the reasons to declare war. if you dont like them then dont declare war. and we arnt all alts. i know thats what you would like to believe ,but its not true. this is my main.
i have an alt in the corp tho. but who doesnt have an alt? and why does it havta be a "pretty stupid idea "just cause you dont like it. hey i dont belittle whatever it is your trying to accomplish. as i said in the post , people have fun in differnt ways. and if its just a "frigate fad" why all the venom, you have nothing to worry about.
objects in your rearview mirror are as small as they appear to be.
oops sorry for the double post
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Schani Kratnorr
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Posted - 2003.10.14 01:47:00 -
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OOC:
@Louis Troubadour: I applaud you initiative. I recently planned and ran an internal RP event to entertain our corp members and due to a limited budget we decided to use alternate charcters in a lvl. 1 cruiser and a frigate to limit the losses.
With a few of our corp members in battleships the "fight" was short (5 secs. for me in my frigate) and bloody (kaboom), so we've been searching for a "solution to this "problem" of wanting to have fun, but not being able to (or even wanting to) invest 1, 2 or 300.000.000 ISK in a venture. That kind of money represents a lot of hard work, and our members simply cannot be asked to mine for 3-4 weeks straight just to have 2-3 days of "fun".
So I applaud your initiative and invite you to contact me ingame (OOC) to possibly work on a storyline that will hopefully provide hours of fun for all our members and hangarounds, without the need to have 10 battleships blow the crap our of eachother's industrials in meaningless gatecamps.
Any other corps or loose groups of people are more than welcome to contact me if this sounds like something you'd also enjoy.
Ingame characters: Schani Kratnorr
Weirana Gatorna
<Censored> (purely to avoid spoilers for those taking part in the various events)
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Koda
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Posted - 2003.10.14 13:29:00 -
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I thought this was a pretty silly idea when it started. But after reading numerous posts from different members of this corp, I must admit they're standup guys (and gals).
They're playing to have fun. And they don't make excuses if they lose a fight. That earns my respect.
Doesn't mean I won't shoot them if I seem them, but it's refreshing not hear "CTD! Exploit! Cheat!" if they lose a few ships.
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Gonzo
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Posted - 2003.10.14 16:59:00 -
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this is my main. i have nearly 3mill skill points.
merc frigs is amazing fun, we kill battleships with pathetic lvl 2 frigates, muhhahahaha
'a frigate is just about small enuff to fit up a raven's *******, so watch out'
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Mutara Nebula
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Posted - 2003.10.14 23:53:00 -
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Nearly 4 millions of skill points here.
And a full set of implant (still not podded, but, hey, I'm new in MF, it will not last long)!!!!!
Tonight 2 MF attacked (I was one of them, in a Kestrel) a Scorpion in a belt in a 0.0 sys.
The scorp guy (I had not the time to understand if he was mining or hunting rats) launched a coulple of missiles to my mate, blasting his Frig off the sky.
I was closing in, firing off uber (!) salvos of mixed light missiles and he started to MWD away, to put the rocks between him and the fury (lol) of my frigate.
I stopped my ship, and we stood watching at each other for some seconds.
Then... he warped away !
Lol, I nearly felt off my chair laughing.
A Scorpion bugging away from a Kestrel !!!
This has been my best moment in EVE (I know, simple minds are made easily happy ) !!!
So I sit in the belt for some minutes, while reinforcements were arriving, but no BS came back to clean my insolence in a bloodbath... only a warning in the Local Channel: "Do not try that again"...
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Davian Windspear
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Posted - 2003.10.15 00:15:00 -
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Yeah these guys are really cool. They take thier losses like men!!! It must really hurt to lose a frigate and a 2nd character.
I wish i dare risk all (of my newly trained second character) on fighting like they do, taking on targets and thier ships which have taked weeks to earn in thier 150k frigates.
What cahonas!!! Frigate warriors, fighting proud killing all who dare stand against there worthless characters. More entertaining use of alts i say, start robbing corps with them too!! Then delete them all when you have finished lol
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Cria
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Posted - 2003.10.15 00:31:00 -
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Oh my dear sweet Davian, plz just shut the **** up.
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.15 00:34:00 -
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thank you Koda. , but alas it is getting harder and harder to convince myself to stay with EVE.
i am gonna give it another 2 to 4 weeks, if it dont get any better then i will look for another game that promotes action/fun more.
its hard to find targets, and when we do its so hard to get within range to scramble them b4 they warp away. basically its very difficult to find a stand up fight that isnt lop sided. we tend to stay and fight to the death even when outgunned. but when it is reversed nobody stays to fight , cant say as i blame them 100k frigs vs 60mill bs , i would do the same. our guys get really excited when we do nail a BS or a couple of cruisers. and thats so rare, we take horrible losses on almost every raid we go out on. bottom line is , for every 2 hours of boring searching we find maybe 1 ship to attack and it sees us and warps away. or we find an overwheming mining op that we can never defeat yet we try anyway to our utter destruction. since we dont camp gates or jumpins our options are few.
sad part is i got over 80 members now, and if i quit i feel like im letting them down, but after taking a survey of my corp, they almost all feel the same way about EVE , if it dont improve someway in the action/fun area. we will almost all quit, thats atelast 50 people gone. and i dont know if yall have noticed but in the last 3 months the server volume has dropped considerably. people are leaving... and that is not good.
in a way this plea for war a dying gasp , we hoped to generate some wars so we would have a reason to play, cuz this game has such potential for pirate and ' carebear' alike one cant survive without the other. we can only declare 3 wars and that is not enough, in the next few days i am going to declare war on the 3 biggest most active corps in the game, not becuz they did anything to me or the corp. but because it gives us more targets we can fight
with our low sec ratings all the gates/stations fire on us even if we are fired on 1st. and almost everyone uses this to thier advantage on us, even when they could win the fight straight up. the only way around this is WAR.
we have over 12 wars declared on us and its still not enough.
and even when we do find foes to fight, they run for the gates/stations in hopes we splash it with missles so that the sentrys will help them, this tactic is almost as bad as gate camping or jumpin camping. but even those who camp gates or jumpins have no other option its not thier fault ccp leaves them with only these 2 place to actually catch people.
now im rambling. time to end this post.
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.15 00:47:00 -
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Yeah these guys are really cool. They take thier losses like men!!! It must really hurt to lose a frigate and a 2nd character.
I wish i dare risk all (of my newly trained second character) on fighting like they do, taking on targets and thier ships which have taked weeks to earn in thier 150k frigates.
What cahonas!!! Frigate warriors, fighting proud killing all who dare stand against there worthless characters. More entertaining use of alts i say, start robbing corps with them too!! Then delete them all when you have finished lol
jesus christ im about tired of hearing that.
how many times do i gotta say this is my main!
most of us are using our mains i have almost 3 mill skill points. 65% of the corp is made of mains. and we pay alot in cloning cuz we die alot
and i have an alt in mf also who has almost 1.2 mill skill points, he dies alot to but his clone is cheap atm.
and nobody delets thier alt in our corp it would be a waste of time since we are buying and training skills on them. almost all the alts in mf have over 1 mill skill points. i dont why you would even think thats worth the time to delete and remake. when clones are so cheap.
and once again who doesnt have an alt in the game? and if they do why would they delete them over and over.
and we use real frigates not newbie frigates. all tier 2/3. figuered i would get a head start on this one since thats the next assumtion/accusation someone is liable to make.
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Torqamada
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Posted - 2003.10.15 03:05:00 -
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You know helping Omri develop this experiment in fun with the whole idea of frigates only fighting has been both fun, exciting, and educating. Fun and exciting because it was the challenge we started it for primarily and hence our fun. Educating because of both the enthusiasm those for and against it have been.
Initially it was how foolish and impossible without great numbers. Then it was "we are glad you declared war - really mad about loosing the indy, or cruiser or bs and expensive miners - but it was fun, ......"
Then it was still the its impossible, or you are cheating..... from those against.
Then it was can we join you, and from those who were honest about it - grudging congratulations on being able to do it ( we only had 4 or 5 max ) in the early days and still only avg 5 to 6. The threads never quite dye out. Our ranks exploded.
Now the big against comments are all - yeah its your disposable alts and you do it with throw away ships..... and its really eye opening the vitriol one seems to get the sense of from this.
This character - Torqamada is my main I have played since first week of June. Even if this were an alt, what may I ask is the differance from an alt who slaves away copying blue prints or improving them, or the poor sod who also slaves away mining or comatose in an afk indy to assist your main in whatever endeavor you enjoy in this game? None.
As for disposable alts to spy, or perform corp theft. Is it not interesting that those who are the most vocal against pirates will ascribe all the most dishonorable acts to them. To my knowedge most corp thefts have been among carebears with the notable exception of M3G4 / Biomass - and it is highly debable as to whether that was corp theft and they certainly did not leave and bury their trails.
Not all people in our corp or most any share or espouse the same ideals or intents - however if you look at both the forums, our comments and any actual encounters with Omri etc you will find that we endeavor to remain respectful and when given the rare opportunity to extend some fairness into the equation.
I submit the following notion.
BS should not be just the biggest most pretegious car or war mount on the block. Not the mount of every knight or miner among us.
I submit that they should be for corporate wars and protection (industials should be revamped so that bs do not have to fulfill that role.)
I submit that just as in all real and most credible fiction - large bs / ships of the line do require cruisers and frigates to screen and give them the time to bring their big guns and missles to bear.
In other words if forces were mixed in a good proportion few losses of these expensive ships would be lost or at least would have a good accounting for them. The corporate wealth could be better spend on the stations, etc that will be coming in the game.
To counter fast locking frigates - you need screening forces. Do you wonder why we no longer employ bs in todays modern navys? In part it is due to the fleet needed to support and protect them.
I would ask that surely there are enough minds and certainly enough time mining to put together answers and counters to both pirates, frigate corps (or murdering terrorists to some) and the fun of EVE. The storyline with respect to war, and stations does need to speed up however to keep the interest alive in my opinion.
Quite sincerely,
Torqamada
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Kashtarr
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Posted - 2003.10.15 09:10:00 -
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amen to that ...
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.15 09:29:00 -
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People might be willing to declare war on you if they took you more seriously. ATM you state that your losses are quite high - get organised and start making serious killings in frigs, and then people might see you as a viable threat and not some novelty corp. Then the war declarations will come.
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CLONE 9
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Posted - 2003.10.15 17:11:00 -
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People might be willing to declare war on you if they took you more seriously. ATM you state that your losses are quite high - get organised and start making serious killings in frigs, and then people might see you as a viable threat and not some novelty corp. Then the war declarations will come.
Your patronisation beam made an excellent hit and scored 23 points of damage
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Thackrar
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Posted - 2003.10.15 17:17:00 -
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aaargh, i can't be bothered with this. Stop being such a patronising fool and go play the game.
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omri
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Posted - 2003.10.16 04:37:00 -
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People might be willing to declare war on you if they took you more seriously. ATM you state that your losses are quite high - get organised and start making serious killings in frigs, and then people might see you as a viable threat and not some novelty corp. Then the war declarations will come.
really? lets see we have atleast 12 wars right now, but 12 is not enough.
how many wars does naginate have? if its less than us , i would haveta ask are you a serious enough threat? and are you sure you shouldnt be better organized?
yeah our losses are high because we are forced to fight unspeakable odds, in order to even get in a fight. and if you were implying we are organized badly then why are our numbers growing. this is most peoples last resort at trying to have some fun with the game.
it has nothing to do with us being taken seriously as a threat.
this was a simple request for war. people will or they wont.
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Bexxly
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Posted - 2003.10.16 11:01:00 -
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people find it easy to not take us seriously on the boards but I'm beginning to lose count of the number big badass battleships that have tucked tail and ran first sign of our frigates. Hmm can't imagine why  we're only little after all
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DarkRoad
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Posted - 2003.10.16 11:44:00 -
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I WANNA PLAY!! ill join. where do i sign up.
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Miso
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Posted - 2003.10.16 13:00:00 -
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Quote:
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People might be willing to declare war on you if they took you more seriously. ATM you state that your losses are quite high - get organised and start making serious killings in frigs, and then people might see you as a viable threat and not some novelty corp. Then the war declarations will come.
really? lets see we have atleast 12 wars right now, but 12 is not enough.
how many wars does naginate have? if its less than us , i would haveta ask are you a serious enough threat? and are you sure you shouldnt be better organized?
yeah our losses are high because we are forced to fight unspeakable odds, in order to even get in a fight. and if you were implying we are organized badly then why are our numbers growing. this is most peoples last resort at trying to have some fun with the game.
it has nothing to do with us being taken seriously as a threat.
this was a simple request for war. people will or they wont.
Touchy aren't we?
It was merely an observation. We have the same problems as you as far as fighting goes. I just stated that the more effecient you are as killers, the more people take notice and see you as a threat, hence more war decs.
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Warnei Belmid
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Posted - 2003.10.16 15:49:00 -
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That's it. I've had enough of these frigate guys. I'm gonna declare war and wipe them all out.
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wigster
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Posted - 2003.10.16 16:30:00 -
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I am sure that Merc Frigates have annoyed my corp and many others in their time, but they are just trying to have fun.
When I get spare Mega and spare Frigates I would happily practice PvP against them any time.
To those who say they use alts, why would they. Clones negate the need for alts in these situations, and they will need the skills on their main char's to stand a chance against Cruisers or BS's.
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