So you want to make local an even more powerful intel tool by making it so that only hostiles or potential hostiles show up in it.

No.

If it already has the option of showing everyone in the system. And it tells you (pretty much) when people log, enter, or leave than how is it making it a MORE powerful tool too add filters. It seems logical, and sensical, not restrictive, or exponentially informative. I am truly sorry if you want to jump into a system so that you can gank people without them knowing what the **** happened, why, when, or how, but this seems the logical progression to me =)........ an extended overview if you wish. Not to many details but tells you what is around you.

Also... Iain Cariaba, why would it be completely unreasonable for you to set an overview, chat channel or other indicator to only include hostile persons?

If it already has the option of showing everyone in the system. And it tells you (pretty much) when people log, enter, or leave than how is it making it a MORE powerful tool too add filters. It seems logical, and sensical, not restrictive, or exponentially informative. I am truly sorry if you want to jump into a system so that you can gank people without them knowing what the **** happened, why, when, or how, but this seems the logical progression to me =)........ an extended overview if you wish. Not to many details but tells you what is around you.

Also... Iain Cariaba, why would it be completely unreasonable for you to set an overview, chat channel or other indicator to only include hostile persons?

Because, depending on the layout you choose for your screen, the size you pick for local window, and the number of people on that local list, it is entirely possible to have new hostile get lost in the local list. OP's idea to filter friendlies out of local would totally eliminate the only weakness in the instant intel of local, that weakness being the saturation of contacts in local.

As a pretty much dedicated nullbear, you'd think I'd be all for this idea. After all, why would I be against adding that extra layer of security that being able to make local only display those who are dangerous? Because adding new layers to the easy mode that this game is becoming does not, as OP suggests, make this game better. All it does is lower the bar of intelligence required to play the game, and encourage the whiney entitlement mindset prevalent in WoW and other games.

Remember what happens when an EvE player quits and goes to play WoW. The collective intelligence of both games increases.

Because, depending on the layout you choose for your screen, the size you pick for local window, and the number of people on that local list, it is entirely possible to have new hostile get lost in the local list. OP's idea to filter friendlies out of local would totally eliminate the only weakness in the instant intel of local, that weakness being the saturation of contacts in local.

As a pretty much dedicated nullbear, you'd think I'd be all for this idea. After all, why would I be against adding that extra layer of security that being able to make local only display those who are dangerous? Because adding new layers to the easy mode that this game is becoming does not, as OP suggests, make this game better. All it does is lower the bar of intelligence required to play the game, and encourage the whiney entitlement mindset prevalent in WoW and other games.

Remember what happens when an EvE player quits and goes to play WoW. The collective intelligence of both games increases.

I don't see your points as valid at all. Just sounds like bitter whining and entitlement from where I am. I see since I was last here your posting hasn't improved (i.e. it's still bad) so I'll break down for you exactly why your criticism here is unthoughtful.

You can spread the local list out across two or more accounts and see the entire list anyways, besides maybe Jita. Especially with legal 3rd party software like EVEWinHelper, you could have 3-4 local list columns beside each other. So the current system gives an advantage to players who have extra alts AFK in a station, which is just poor design. There are also out of game tools that let you paste the local listing into and will give you the same kind of breakdown the OP suggests.

So basically your post comes down to: Players with alts AFK in station deserve an advantage, using 3rd party tools should be a substitute for inclusion of in-game tools.

No and no.

So you want to make local an even more powerful intel tool by making it so that only hostiles or potential hostiles show up in it.

No.

Naturally, this option would not be available in the system channels Local, Constellation& Region.

Furthermore, if managing your UI is part of gameplay (and in what other games is this true? think about it...)

then the gameplay is inherently favoring people with bigger monitors. That's not right.

no thanks.

a chat channel that was never intended to be (and should never be furthered to be) an intel channel should not make it painfully obvious when a bad guy enters the same system as you.

Those being vigilant should get a markedly better response time over the lazy. This proposal instead lessens any advantage paying attention provides.

lol, your seriously that dumb? All channels are intel channels because u can already extra information (aka Intel) from channels. my Idea makes it easier. you really have no idea what your talking about mate, but its OK! most of eve is like you. and you'd still have 2 pay attention in order 2 SEE them appear noob???

lol, your seriously that dumb? All channels are intel channels because u can already extra information (aka Intel) from channels. my Idea makes it easier. you really have no idea what your talking about mate, but its OK! most of eve is like you. and you'd still have 2 pay attention in order 2 SEE them appear noob???

Your lack of intelligence is astounding. Feel free to enact the ancient Chinese tradition, one less noon infesting eve. Lol. This is an amazing idea and would make the game that much more enjoyable to play.

This idea is spreading like wildfire. I think this version isn't quite as well thought out as the others I've heard and seen.
Simply, make the local channel more usable as intel. This would better balance for players using smaller screens and help clear up more screen space for more important things like D-Scan. Personally I think this should be placed with the system and route info so that it provides the best improvement to screen space. Opening local would only then be used when I actually WANT TO CHAT, which is never because wormholes.

TL;DR Local isn't going away (although it should), so at least make the intel more readable...

This idea is spreading like wildfire. I think this version isn't quite as well thought out as the others I've heard and seen.
Simply, make the local channel more usable as intel. This would better balance for players using smaller screens and help clear up more screen space for more important things like D-Scan. Personally I think this should be placed with the system and route info so that it provides the best improvement to screen space. Opening local would only then be used when I actually WANT TO CHAT, which is never because wormholes.

TL;DR Local isn't going away (although it should), so at least make the intel more readable...

I'm not 100% where I stand on this but one argument against this is along the lines of: Have your stereotypical null-bear/renter group ratting a system, size-able number of people in local, this measure would allow people to immediately notice when a neutral or hostile enters system.

And 'we' don't want this because 'we' believe it will encourage an even more introvert, risk-averse mindset than the one we're currently prescribing to the people in the above situation.

On one hand it sounds nice, but.... lots of stuff that is nice can be worse off for you in the long run.
For instance, eating ice-cream 3 meals a day and then getting horrible diarrhea.

But yes I agree with you - whether or not the OP has a good idea, they haven't articulated it very well.

The idea I've purposed would do just that it would make it so you could instead of having 600 pixel local which is roughly 30% of a 1620 by 1000 pixel client you can have a 100 pixel local and fit what you want to to report what you want it to, it'll make it esters to see war targets enter local or neutrals ect, it has endless usage that I think would greatly benafits people with a small monitor or only 1 account.

Finally a valid statement, I agree that it will promote an introvert attitude and trust me when I say this, because I'm an extrovert and I love to pvp, that I believe that the benafits from having my idea implemented would out weigh the harm it may have, also I will point out that yes it'll make gabbing raters and miners a tiny bit harder to get kills from experienced care bears and increasingly difficult for the scrub care bears, but I believe that adding this proposed idea could pave the way for pvp fights, it could introduce more of a reason to set standings to people so that they'll appear in your custom member list settings. It'll introduce healthy player base activity because people will feel more in control, and if anything I think in the long term you will gain a better player base from this idea because it'll make things a lot easier or a lot harder, because let's face it mistakes with the settings will be made. Lol

It will make hiding from hostiles easier but paves way for pvp fights?

Can you elaborate?

I do like this idea. As long as it is easy to switch back and forth among your custom setups.

I support this! and if filtering is too much of a advantageous tool i also support wrapping the local list or an option to do so and even support multiple local channels up at the same time with different info being able to be set with options listed in the OP's post.

A group of people larger than 50 shouldn't be handicapped by something so simple as local being full.

I feel Local Chat works just like all the other tools that give intel.

Num of pilots currently docked
Num of afg pilots in space
Num of rats killed ect ect.

All this info is used by hostiles to get easy kills from people that are not looking to pvp.

Shouldn't people that are not looking to pvp have the same tool advantage and not be penalized by working together in the same system?

I find too many times neutrals come in to our system and i have to scroll up and down to check A-Z.

More of a annoyance than any real pve deterrent.

People complain that changes like this will make the game easier. Perhaps it will for the inexperienced, overwhelmed, task saturated, or even those not 100% attentive to everything all the time.

But in reality, it also makes the game harder. Harder for those who count on and take advantage of others being inexperienced, overwhelmed, task saturated, or even those not 100% attentive to everything all the time.

Yes, it would make the game easier for some, IMO mostly those who are not looking to pillage, **** and plunder every second they're undocked.

But hey, a lot of people want the game to be harder. Doing this would make it harder... for war targets, griefers, gankers and such. So why would they be against it? Game play just got harder and more challenging for them.

I'd like to see filtering enabled.

Precisely this. The only people this will actually help are those who want a loss free environment, and those are the people who do not need more coded **** to assist them in their carebearing. The scales are already heavily tipped in their favor, so much so that if you simply follow the guides, you can carebear all you want, pretty much risk free. I would know, I carebeared around highsec for years, on multiple accounts, without getting ganked once.

Would we apply that same reasoning to other groups? Such as gankers or pirates... We shouldn't have any change that makes it easier for them.

A change that could benefit everyone but because it makes the game easier for carebears (or any single genre of player) it shouldn't be allowed. Isn't a good rational to not consider the merits of the idea, or even implement it. Just my 2 cents.

Fly safe

Sometimes the benefit is not worth the side effects.

Very, very true.

It hasn't been said anywhere by any ISD or any GM that it was not ment for intel. It is in fact used as such, because without it then space would be like living in a wormhole. And as such eve would be a desolate place as there would be no players who are risk adverse playing as it is exactly what it would make the game. A nightmare in fact because you'd spend billions or millions to rat and have no idea if someone hostile is in ur system hunting you. We need to improve upon the way the channels are structured so that it's esyier to attain such intel. The current system is a dinosaur and as such needs some fixing so as to make it an equally advantageous tool for people to use

The last thing we need to do is improve local as an intel tool, this coming from someone who will abuse your idea to the point that I will have zero risk undocking in anything.

Random ratter ganks in nullsec will no longer happen. Miners in null will mine all day, and never get ganked. All this because you want to be able to see hostiles better. If you cannot recognize this, then you probably need to get more experience in the game before making further suggestions.

Everything in eve has drawbacks. I think this change would be for the better. Just like invisible recon ships.

Random ratter ganks in nullsec will no longer happen. Miners in null will mine all day, and never get ganked. All this because you want to be able to see hostiles better. If you cannot recognize this, then you probably need to get more experience in the game before making further suggestions.

This is a major exaggeration. I'm not sure where you rat or mine but the vast majority of nullsec systems are empty enough so you can already see the hostile instantly when he enters local. If you can't, you need to learn to setup your local channel better. You can see about 60 players with the channel stretched full length.

Gonna retract my like on second thought. If we're changing local it should be changed to offer less intel. In terms of your Jita example, that's what makes the rare system like that special. I think the inability to easily see red contacts there is a good thing.


This is a major exaggeration. I'm not sure where you rat or mine but the vast majority of nullsec systems are empty enough so you can already see the hostile instantly when he enters local. If you can't, you need to learn to setup your local channel better. You can see about 60 players with the channel stretched full length.

local should be receiving nerfs to its intel, not buffs

-1
not supported, never ever

What side effects lol. There are none

-1 for someone who lacks any commen sense.

Point 1: To remove Local will give an unfair advantage to ALL Pvper's
Point 2: CCP will lose 50% if not more of there subscriber's
Point 3: All 0.0 inhabatants that currently rat or attempt 2 make isk in 0.0 will move to HS for incursion's and mission's
Point 4: Goodluck removing local.
Point 5: Since, we aren't going 2 be removing local its time 2 BUFF Local.