So you want to make local an even more powerful intel tool by making it so that only hostiles or potential hostiles show up in it.

No.

If it already has the option of showing everyone in the system. And it tells you (pretty much) when people log, enter, or leave than how is it making it a MORE powerful tool too add filters. It seems logical, and sensical, not restrictive, or exponentially informative. I am truly sorry if you want to jump into a system so that you can gank people without them knowing what the **** happened, why, when, or how, but this seems the logical progression to me =)........ an extended overview if you wish. Not to many details but tells you what is around you.

Also... Iain Cariaba, why would it be completely unreasonable for you to set an overview, chat channel or other indicator to only include hostile persons?

If it already has the option of showing everyone in the system. And it tells you (pretty much) when people log, enter, or leave than how is it making it a MORE powerful tool too add filters. It seems logical, and sensical, not restrictive, or exponentially informative. I am truly sorry if you want to jump into a system so that you can gank people without them knowing what the **** happened, why, when, or how, but this seems the logical progression to me =)........ an extended overview if you wish. Not to many details but tells you what is around you.

Also... Iain Cariaba, why would it be completely unreasonable for you to set an overview, chat channel or other indicator to only include hostile persons?

Because, depending on the layout you choose for your screen, the size you pick for local window, and the number of people on that local list, it is entirely possible to have new hostile get lost in the local list. OP's idea to filter friendlies out of local would totally eliminate the only weakness in the instant intel of local, that weakness being the saturation of contacts in local.

As a pretty much dedicated nullbear, you'd think I'd be all for this idea. After all, why would I be against adding that extra layer of security that being able to make local only display those who are dangerous? Because adding new layers to the easy mode that this game is becoming does not, as OP suggests, make this game better. All it does is lower the bar of intelligence required to play the game, and encourage the whiney entitlement mindset prevalent in WoW and other games.

Remember what happens when an EvE player quits and goes to play WoW. The collective intelligence of both games increases.

Because, depending on the layout you choose for your screen, the size you pick for local window, and the number of people on that local list, it is entirely possible to have new hostile get lost in the local list. OP's idea to filter friendlies out of local would totally eliminate the only weakness in the instant intel of local, that weakness being the saturation of contacts in local.

As a pretty much dedicated nullbear, you'd think I'd be all for this idea. After all, why would I be against adding that extra layer of security that being able to make local only display those who are dangerous? Because adding new layers to the easy mode that this game is becoming does not, as OP suggests, make this game better. All it does is lower the bar of intelligence required to play the game, and encourage the whiney entitlement mindset prevalent in WoW and other games.

Remember what happens when an EvE player quits and goes to play WoW. The collective intelligence of both games increases.

I don't see your points as valid at all. Just sounds like bitter whining and entitlement from where I am. I see since I was last here your posting hasn't improved (i.e. it's still bad) so I'll break down for you exactly why your criticism here is unthoughtful.

You can spread the local list out across two or more accounts and see the entire list anyways, besides maybe Jita. Especially with legal 3rd party software like EVEWinHelper, you could have 3-4 local list columns beside each other. So the current system gives an advantage to players who have extra alts AFK in a station, which is just poor design. There are also out of game tools that let you paste the local listing into and will give you the same kind of breakdown the OP suggests.

So basically your post comes down to: Players with alts AFK in station deserve an advantage, using 3rd party tools should be a substitute for inclusion of in-game tools.

No and no.

So you want to make local an even more powerful intel tool by making it so that only hostiles or potential hostiles show up in it.

No.

Naturally, this option would not be available in the system channels Local, Constellation& Region.

Furthermore, if managing your UI is part of gameplay (and in what other games is this true? think about it...)

then the gameplay is inherently favoring people with bigger monitors. That's not right.

no thanks.

a chat channel that was never intended to be (and should never be furthered to be) an intel channel should not make it painfully obvious when a bad guy enters the same system as you.

Those being vigilant should get a markedly better response time over the lazy. This proposal instead lessens any advantage paying attention provides.

lol, your seriously that dumb? All channels are intel channels because u can already extra information (aka Intel) from channels. my Idea makes it easier. you really have no idea what your talking about mate, but its OK! most of eve is like you. and you'd still have 2 pay attention in order 2 SEE them appear noob???

lol, your seriously that dumb? All channels are intel channels because u can already extra information (aka Intel) from channels. my Idea makes it easier. you really have no idea what your talking about mate, but its OK! most of eve is like you. and you'd still have 2 pay attention in order 2 SEE them appear noob???

Your lack of intelligence is astounding. Feel free to enact the ancient Chinese tradition, one less noon infesting eve. Lol. This is an amazing idea and would make the game that much more enjoyable to play.

This idea is spreading like wildfire. I think this version isn't quite as well thought out as the others I've heard and seen.
Simply, make the local channel more usable as intel. This would better balance for players using smaller screens and help clear up more screen space for more important things like D-Scan. Personally I think this should be placed with the system and route info so that it provides the best improvement to screen space. Opening local would only then be used when I actually WANT TO CHAT, which is never because wormholes.

TL;DR Local isn't going away (although it should), so at least make the intel more readable...

This idea is spreading like wildfire. I think this version isn't quite as well thought out as the others I've heard and seen.
Simply, make the local channel more usable as intel. This would better balance for players using smaller screens and help clear up more screen space for more important things like D-Scan. Personally I think this should be placed with the system and route info so that it provides the best improvement to screen space. Opening local would only then be used when I actually WANT TO CHAT, which is never because wormholes.

TL;DR Local isn't going away (although it should), so at least make the intel more readable...

I'm not 100% where I stand on this but one argument against this is along the lines of: Have your stereotypical null-bear/renter group ratting a system, size-able number of people in local, this measure would allow people to immediately notice when a neutral or hostile enters system.

And 'we' don't want this because 'we' believe it will encourage an even more introvert, risk-averse mindset than the one we're currently prescribing to the people in the above situation.

On one hand it sounds nice, but.... lots of stuff that is nice can be worse off for you in the long run.
For instance, eating ice-cream 3 meals a day and then getting horrible diarrhea.

But yes I agree with you - whether or not the OP has a good idea, they haven't articulated it very well.

The idea I've purposed would do just that it would make it so you could instead of having 600 pixel local which is roughly 30% of a 1620 by 1000 pixel client you can have a 100 pixel local and fit what you want to to report what you want it to, it'll make it esters to see war targets enter local or neutrals ect, it has endless usage that I think would greatly benafits people with a small monitor or only 1 account.

Finally a valid statement, I agree that it will promote an introvert attitude and trust me when I say this, because I'm an extrovert and I love to pvp, that I believe that the benafits from having my idea implemented would out weigh the harm it may have, also I will point out that yes it'll make gabbing raters and miners a tiny bit harder to get kills from experienced care bears and increasingly difficult for the scrub care bears, but I believe that adding this proposed idea could pave the way for pvp fights, it could introduce more of a reason to set standings to people so that they'll appear in your custom member list settings. It'll introduce healthy player base activity because people will feel more in control, and if anything I think in the long term you will gain a better player base from this idea because it'll make things a lot easier or a lot harder, because let's face it mistakes with the settings will be made. Lol

It will make hiding from hostiles easier but paves way for pvp fights?

Can you elaborate?