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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.28 02:23:00 -
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 Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Once again, I'm confused about what you're objecting to in your original post. Originally you seem to feel that drugs are Bad...
Let me banish your confusion. I think I said it pretty clearly already:
Originally by: Shanaya Venn
I am disturbed by the increasing use of illegal drugs among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better...I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity...I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice.
My answer is no.
I am not trying to argue a point, here. I am simply expressing moral outrage. What I "want" (in the best of all possible worlds) - but am not holding my breath to see - is the abandonment of drug use when doing so impairs a person who is supposed to be doing responsible business. On their own time, I don't care. Much. <shrug> At any rate, I'm not making an argument for that (unlikely) possibility here. Simply stating my observations and feelings about it.
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
Here, though, you seem to be decrying that supply cannot meet demand.
You misread me.
What I am doing is pointing out the suspicious nature of the lack of abundant supply in Caldari space, and its public and obvious availability elsewhere. Ergo, this stuff that is coming across our borders is not of our own making, but is part of a huge, publicly accepted and commercially funded endeavor from polities that indulge in such vices openly and frequently. (True, some debauched Caldari also participate in home-creation of these substances, but they are not in the majority and for the most part cannot undertake drug production with anything near the volume and distribution evidenced by outworld sources.)
The connection with the Gallente, I should think, is obvious.
Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi
I guess it wouldn't be a conspiracy if it weren't for the Insidious Gallente Attempts to Delude!
I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but for the record, I'm not particularly trusting of foreigners, either (though I've met a reliable one here and there), and I don't apologize for that. I think many (not all, but many) problems in Caldari society can be traced directly to the influence of other races and foreign cultures that have caused moral decay among our people.
We have our own ways, and they serve us best. Abuse of drugs is not on that list.
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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.28 02:35:00 -
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Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 28/08/2006 02:39:03
Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 28/08/2006 02:37:17
Originally by: Dire Lauthris
In any case, I doubt Ms. Venn was referring to boosters when she brought up this topic though I am quietly interested on her viewpoints concerning them.
You are correct in that supposition, sir.
I was referring to illegal drugs used (or abused) for recreation, and as I have recently become aware, for 'enjoyment' during work hours by certain parties. My umbrage is reserved for destructive substances that impair function, not enhance it. An executive (much less a pod pilot!) dozing under a haze of Sooth induced euphoria on work time is not exactly the person I want at the helm of any enterprise *I* have an interest in - or must work for or with.
I am not entirely comfortable with the Booster concept for pilots, but am reserving judgment until I learn more or see more of its effects. The fundamental difference between work-enhancing boosters and illegal rec drugs is that with the boosters we have a notion of what kind of controlled doseage provides manageable benefits, and use them within those parameters.
In the recreational drug market, it's every woman for herself, and addictive substances are just as common as other alterants (or more so). Work-vetted boosters do not represent the same slippery slope.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.28 09:58:00 -
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I don't get it. Doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals.
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Redbad
Minmatar
East Heimatar Trading Company
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Posted - 2006.08.28 12:02:00 -
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Ethics is for the user, not for the trader.
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Kailea Shandrasekkar
Caldari
Entrenched Mining Core
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Posted - 2006.08.28 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: James Snowscoran
I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals.
As anything that hinders a professional's performance(thus raising human error probabilities, something not exactly desirable in deep space) both drugs and alcohol are strickly forbidden in my ships, and subject to the maximum penalty allowed under Caldari corporate regulations.
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James Snowscoran
Caldari
Coreli Corporation
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Posted - 2006.08.28 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar
Originally by: James Snowscoran
I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals.
As anything that hinders a professional's performance(thus raising human error probabilities, something not exactly desirable in deep space) both drugs and alcohol are strickly forbidden in my ships, and subject to the maximum penalty allowed under Caldari corporate regulations.
Yep- like any sensible starship captain or HR executive would've done.
The fact that some people can't manage their own business doesn't mean individual irresponsability needs to be punishable by formal authorities.
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Corsario Lusitania
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.28 19:08:00 -
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I have also noticing that bid for drugs is increasing and as a Gallente I do not accept this for it is illegal.
Nevertheless I believe that drugs should be legalized striclty under medical prescription and proper sites for their consumption ought to be made from where the person could not get out before the effects stopped. Authorities would tax the drugs thus increasing the govs revenues and use them in anti-drugs campaigns and the teaching of the adverse effects to the youngs. This could also end the distribution of low quality and counterfit drugs that cause devastating damage.
Another measure should be the price tagging not by the dealers but by Concord so that there would be a fair price to it.
But as I said, until it is legal, no drug will enter my spaceship.
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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.29 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 29/08/2006 00:05:36
Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 29/08/2006 00:04:12
Originally by: James Snowscoran
I don't get it. Doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals.
You are Caldari, James, and I credit you with more imagination than that.
I am on a mission, piloting my ship. The drug-hazed individual is not a "co-worker" but the person who issued my contract, and who might have to make command decisions at a moment's notice or provide immediate support should something go awry while I am in the field. I can't report him/her to the boss - s/he *is* the boss. Nor am I an internal member of their organization, with ready access to higher-ups (boards of directors?) who can deal with top management. Meanwhile my safety may depend on coherent informed decisions from an impaired individual.
Color me not happy.
Originally by: James Snowscoran
The fact that some people can't manage their own business doesn't mean individual irresponsability needs to be punishable by formal authorities.
Although Kailea referred to regulations, I did not. My complaint is about the usage in and of itself, for the reasons aforestated. (Tho I share her no-alterant attitude for my crew as well. If I discover drugs on my ships the persons are summarily dismissed and blacklisted within my network of contacts.) We spend enough time in port, crew can get their ya-yas out somewhere other than aboard my vessel. If not, there are consequences, and they know that when they sign on.
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Ly'sol
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.29 01:37:00 -
[39]
<pauses for a moment>
Behazed?
Interesting enough I have yet to be called that. I do admit I can easily be painted multiple colors. But such a geniunly new discipter.
My dear Miss Venn,
<Translator goes freaky trying to make sense of what he said.> And in Caldari proper, loosly translated...Your an eisel in a mindscape of paint.
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Shanaya Venn
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.29 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ly'sol
Edited by: Ly''sol on 29/08/2006 01:50:30
<pauses for a moment>
Behazed?
Interesting enough I have yet to be called that. I do admit I can easily be painted multiple colors. But such a geniunly new discipter.
Thank you, I think.
Originally by: Ly'sol
My dear Miss Venn,
Ms will suffice.
Originally by: Ly'sol
Drugs are bad because the bad people sell them to good people that turns them bad. And the now bad people will now buy more drugs from the bad people to keep thier habit so the bad people have good incomes. Take drugs away, there wont be any good income for bad people other than murdering. But the good people wont buy the bad drugs so the bad people have to find another good income that could be more bad than what drugs are.
So basically. Drugs. Are. Good.
I think you fried the logic circuits on your translator.
Unless, of course, that was the product of your own brain, in which case we probably have little more to say to one another that will make mutual sense.
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Kehmor
Caldari
New Roots Narcotics
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Posted - 2006.08.29 23:57:00 -
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I'm gona take this as an opportunity to advertise:
New roots narcotics - buying and selling all narcotics across the galaxy, and interestingly enough about half our business has been in caldari space.
Also Ly'sol as you seem interested in this i am going to take this opportunity to ask if I might have a word.
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Ly'sol
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.30 09:04:00 -
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Edited by: Ly''sol on 30/08/2006 09:05:21
Ms. then..
My <heavy accent> pleasure.
<turns his ghostly gaze to Kehmor>
What you want pa'tak? <pause> er you no good dirty scoundrel...
<gives a friendly smile>
State your business, my friend
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Kehmor
Caldari
New Roots Narcotics
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Posted - 2006.08.30 11:44:00 -
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More of a private enquirey, I'll catch hold of ya some time.
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