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Shanaya Venn	Posted - 2006.08.26 04:55:00 - [1] I am disturbed by the increasing use of illegal drugs among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better. Seems I canÆt turn around these days without some colleague (usually a station agent acquainted with me through my independent shipping work for them) asking me on the sly if I can help them procure the favorite substance du jour, very often for the use of their bosses and visiting VIPs. I donÆt know if IÆm alone in this but I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity. In areas as far apart as opposite ends of Caldari space û and among differing economic classes and factions û again and again I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice. My answer is no. But IÆm not the only pilot out there, and these substances are being moved with considerable frequency by someone, IÆm sure. These offers are fairly blatant, done right under the nose of (or in some cases in the very station occupied by) CONCORD. I can only assume the Powers That Be are turning a blind eye to this amusement when it is pursued by the Rich and/or Well-Connected. Pity the poor pilot trying to make that fast ISK chit, though, if s/heÆs not flying under the radar well enough. I find it telling, too, that there is virtually no news coverage or media mention of this passionate fad (addiction?) among those who can afford chemical escapism. If weÆre going to ignore it anyway, letÆs legalize it. But if weÆre declaring it illegal, then letÆs do something about it. This public no/private yes to the drug question is unethical, and ultimately bad for business. Anyone else notice the epidemic and the back-door business that serves it? I know IÆm not imagining all this and I wonder why no one else talks about it. Or û shh û does that mean IÆll lose contract work if I do? Hmmà
Hitomi Ayame Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.26 05:20:00 - [2] I blame the Gallente, spreading their corruption to every corner of the galaxy they can reach. Have you seen some of their popular holovids these days? Glamourizing the life of the outlaw, the smuggler, and even the pirate, while painting the true heroes, those fighting for law, order, justice, and civility, as the villians. Shameful, really. - - - The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting! Step up and serve God and Khanid today!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.08.26 06:46:00 - [3] I blame the Khanid and their intollerance. If the kids were exposed in small doses and boosters were seen as less of a misdemeanor, maybe the youth culture would adapt and see them as nothing more than recreation. Down with the Khanid! ~~~~~
Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:37:00 - [4] Might I suggest some Blue Pill for our uptight Khanid sister? grins
Shanaya Venn	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:43:00 - [5] I knew a Khanid, once. Old man, kind of decrepit. He hung out for the longest time in the back serviceways near the reprocessing plants on Poinen IM2. The Spacelane Patrol guys treated him like a household pet - if you think of a pet as something that comes in all scraggly from the out-yonder once every couple weeks, for food and attention and the occasional shower. I deigned to ignore him, always bowing and scraping around my gunboat bay, could he run the sonic buffer over it, get rid of those micro-dents from space debris, could he carry my bags, could he....whatever. No matter how curt I was he was always pleasant, smiling, friendly. Not tripped-out wonky, but...mellow. One day when I was saying no to his offer to run my cargo sleds, he counteroffered with a ball of black ash-and-tar like substance in his palm. Like I was supposed to know what I was looking at. He mumbled something about lotus eaters and assured me this was the path to enlightenment. Needless to say I declined. But I got it, in that moment, why he could always be so mellow. My crew said he had "really insightful things to say." I think he was just stoned on the juice of the near-poppy. Then he disappeared. Fell into a reclaim unit, I heard. Tsk. Drugs'll screw up your balance like that. Still. He seemed nice enough. For a drug-using foreigner.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 26/08/2006 07:59:59 "never mind". Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:00:00 - [7] Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 26/08/2006 08:10:10 Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance?] Oh, yes. I worry terribly about that. I also fret endlessly about the deteriorating quality of air scrubbers aboard my vessel, and the shyster tactics of certain supply quartermasters, and the "no tax, but many usage fees" approach certain ports employ to squeeze funds out of transient (you don't live there) persons, like myself. But mostly, in re drugs, I wonder if these people are doing this on business time as well as their own time? Because I know I'm being asked to serve this need on business time. And based on the quality of "business" (or "political") decision leadership that has been coming out of some of our leading corps lately, I'm not surprised to note a correlation between relaxed leisure-time synapses, and lacksidasical business decisions. If it were only on their "own time" that they pursued "recreational" pursuits, I could care less. But it isn't. It's while I'm on duty, it's while cargo masters and logistics managers are on duty (and ordering the stuff) and while the Brass are supposed to be "making business decisions" in that day-long conference... well. It ain't all conference, that's clear to me. Feh. Or perhaps this doesn't bother you because you are one of their suppliers? Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Yoshito Sanders Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:10:00 - [9] Drugs are dark and immoral things. They lead one to turn their back from God. Instead of spending time in quiet prayer or reflection, it is merely a race to get more money to buy more drugs, and spend your time in a stupor staring dully ahead or going on a mad rampage. No, drugs should only be used with a perscription from a doctor. Otherwise, you're only hurting yourself and those around you.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Rakatan Ronala on 26/08/2006 08:14:45 This dous not concern me,if you do not have the strength to fight against such a drug you mightaswell fall to it in the first place. However,as to the frequency,i do hear of some smugglers going on. Furthermore dont blame other races for the drugs until you have evidence!
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Yo**o Sanders Drugs are dark and immoral things. They lead one to turn their back from God. Instead of spending time in quiet prayer or reflection, it is merely a race to get more money to buy more drugs, and spend your time in a stupor staring dully ahead or going on a mad rampage. No, drugs should only be used with a perscription from a doctor. Otherwise, you're only hurting yourself and those around you. I am surprised to see there's something an Amarrian says that I agree with, but there you have it. Well, not the god stuff, maybe, but the rest of it. There's a first time for everything. Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Shanaya Venn If it were only on their "own time" that they pursued "recreational" pursuits, I could care less. Lax work ethics should not be tolerated. Take it up with their management infrastructure... if you can find them. Personally I don't see the major corporations floundering and rotting from within. I see some individuals who're short-pathing themselves to an early demise. I'll distance myself from these types at the first instance. Originally by: Shanaya Venn Or perhaps this doesn't bother you because you are one of their suppliers? ... and that's mischievously close to slander. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 09:09:00 - [13] There is to much fear for these drugs,let them ruin their life if they want to,but it dous not have to affect the rest of the society so strongly dous it?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Hitomi Ayame I blame the Gallente, spreading their ~~corruption~~ freedom to every corner of the galaxy they can reach. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
IzzyChan True Core	Posted - 2006.08.26 14:07:00 - [15] Drugs happen, if you don't like it, just avoid them. That's what I do, anyways. --------------------
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 14:32:00 - [16] Well spoken,some care to much about things others willingly do to themselfes.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders. Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation.
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.26 17:39:00 - [18] Drugs don't kill people. People abusing Drugs kills people. Poor Drugs. Always being abused. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:16:00 - [19] Originally by: IzzyChan Drugs happen, if you don't like it, just avoid them. That's what I do, anyways. Drugs HAPPEN? I don't understand how a drug can "happen". I was under the general impression that drugs, without outside intervention, just kind of...sit there. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:44:00 - [20] I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine. Personally, I'm disturbed by the increasing use of mining lasers among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better. Seems I canÆt turn around these days without some colleague (usually a station agent acquainted with me through my independent shipping work for them) asking me on the sly if I can help them procure the favorite laser du jour, very often for the use of their bosses and visiting VIPs. I donÆt know if IÆm alone in this but I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity. In areas as far apart as opposite ends of Caldari space û and among differing economic classes and factions û again and again I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice. My answer is no. But IÆm not the only pilot out there, and these lasers are being moved with considerable frequency by someone, IÆm sure. These offers are fairly blatant, done right under the nose of (or in some cases in the very station occupied by) CONCORD. I can only assume the Powers That Be are turning a blind eye to this amusement when it is pursued by the Rich and/or Well-Connected. Pity the poor pilot trying to make that fast ISK chit, though, if s/heÆs not flying under the radar well enough. The Red Mom of WarÖ
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 22:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine.. I think that's an incredibly naive attitude, underscored by your flippant repetition of my own post with 'mining lasers' substituted for 'drugs'. Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? To fill this "need", drugs must be procured from elsewhere. From other races, other polities, outside our own well-regulated society. Or, they are manufactured clandestinely with ingredients of questionable quality in back-alley drug labs...with ingredients and formulas imported (you got it) from the drug-using societies of the world. I'm sure that's no accident. Dealers at home and abroad are happy to purvey this mind-rot to Caldarians and would be glad to fuel a public Caldari market if they could get away with it. I personally know of two Gallenteans who peddle Frentix and Sooth Sayer in two very busy hub ports in the Forge. Irritatingly, security forces fail to take notice of their activities. Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the tip of a much larger iceberg of Gallentean infiltration and undermining of all we hold dear. No doubt they are laughing up their sleeves the whole while. ~~~ Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? To fill this "need", drugs must be procured from elsewhere. From other races, other polities, outside our own well-regulated society. Or, they are manufactured clandestinely with ingredients of questionable quality in back-alley drug labs...with ingredients and formulas imported (you got it) from the drug-using societies of the world. I'm sure that's no accident. Dealers at home and abroad are happy to purvey this mind-rot to Caldarians and would be glad to fuel a public Caldari market if they could get away with it. I personally know of two Gallenteans who peddle Frentix and Sooth Sayer in two very busy hub ports in the Forge. Irritatingly, security forces fail to take notice of their activities. Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. Take it from me. The Caldari know how to make drugs. This is not some plot from the exterior. This is the fact that very society has a drug problem. Don't try blaming your societies faults on others. I've had some damned good Caldari-made Bluepill. And the formula for that didn't come from the federation. Vent your paranoia elsewhere. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg Aww. No more funny.
Nakatre Read Caldari Vindication Angels	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:42:00 - [23] Quote: Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the tip of a much larger iceberg of Gallentean infiltration and undermining of all we hold dear. Paranoid, are we? The Gallente get their boosters from the same source the Caldari do, just because they're more tolerant doesn't mean they are the evil that causes your precious State to be infested with smugglers. I just wish the State would be just as tolerant, they sure look like they could use some boosters once in a while. Plus, it's good for our business.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.27 08:14:00 - [24] Interesting, that the last two comments here are from a drug-using pirate and a smuggler. Self-serving or protecting drug-related interests, obviously. I suppose that's to be expected. I freely admit that I have a suspicious mind. I don't consider that a bad thing: it has kept me alive in risky circumstances, and I value that critical perspective. But neither do I jump at shadows or suspect wheels within wheels routinely. But when evidence mounts, and there is enough smoke in certain place, it's not hard to spot the fire behind it all. Paranoia is not a prerequisite for logical thinking.
Ly'sol Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.27 08:24:00 - [25] The pure Deitis side of me is saying, "Good riddens, let drugs be a culling mechanisms to automatically weed out undesirables." But...the Gallente that has rubbed of on me is saying, "Dude....i just saw a Fox man." <eats some foul looking substance from a tube and continues> Really now...its all politics. You actually think CONCORD destroys confiscated shipments? Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 8AUG06
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Ly'sol Really now...its all politics. You actually think CONCORD destroys confiscated shipments? In spite of your behazed state, you do raise a valid point. The fact is I don't know what CONCORD does with the shipments they confiscate. And that is a disturbing thought. I have to go wrestle with that for a bit, now...
Lewis Atreides	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:25:00 - [27] in this universe there is no room for morality. If someone wants to burn out on some drug or another, I say let them. I'll be there when the ashes settle and take what I can. I for one will ship anything anywere, I dont care what it is as long as thers a profit in it for me. slave, drugs, WMDs, hostages, whatever. I like ISK and nothing else.
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Thank you. It's comforting to know that we're moving towards accomplishing our primary corporate objectives in an admirable fashion. Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation. Indeed? My agents within the Caldari Navy still seem to hold me in high enough regard. Ah well, no pleasing everyone I guess. I would like to mention here that of course all our transactional logs are strictly secure and confidential. Keep this in mind when one day in the future you desire an edge over a competitor. In any case, I doubt Ms. Venn was referring to boosters when she brought up this topic though I am quietly interested on her viewpoints concerning them. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.27 19:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders. Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation. It is ironic, that while the State always turns a blind eye to Serpentis operations, the paramilitaries still feel it is necessary to bad-mouth Serpentis and its daughter-corporations whenever the opportunity arises. Take your outdated mercantilist views somewhere else please. There are many megacorps that, sensibly enough, see opportunities for progress and profit in the new pharmaceutical markets. People complain that drugs are dangerous, but fact is that an average spaceship crewmember have a fatality rate twenty-seven thousand times higher than a typical recreational pharmaceutical user. I really can't see spaceship manufacturing stopping up just because thousand of crewmembers blow up on a daily basis in petty corporate wars for markets and profit. -----
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.28 01:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine.. I think that's an incredibly naive attitude, underscored by your flippant repetition of my own post with 'mining lasers' substituted for 'drugs'. Flippant, I'll accept. Seriously, though, what exactly are you objecting to in your original post? Originally by: Shanaya Venn Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? Once again, I'm confused about what you're objecting to in your original post. Originally you seem to feel that drugs are Bad, though you don't really say why they are bad - other than the fact that people could do them during business hours. Here, though, you seem to be decrying that supply cannot meet demand. What, exactly, do you want? Do you want people to agree that drugs are bad? Or do you want them to agree that supply cannot meet demand? And if so, do you want them to buy from you? I'm just confused about this. As far as the whole Gallente Conspiracy to Corrupt Caldari goes, I find it telling that all of the drugs in my hangar came from Amarr, while the most vocal drug dealer in the region (Forge) I know is Caldari. But I guess it wouldn't be a conspiracy if it weren't for the Insidious Gallente Attempts to Delude! The Red Mom of WarÖ
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.28 02:23:00 - [31] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Once again, I'm confused about what you're objecting to in your original post. Originally you seem to feel that drugs are Bad... Let me banish your confusion. I think I said it pretty clearly already: Originally by: Shanaya Venn I am disturbed by the increasing use of illegal drugs among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better...I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity...I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice. My answer is no. I am not trying to argue a point, here. I am simply expressing moral outrage. What I "want" (in the best of all possible worlds) - but am not holding my breath to see - is the abandonment of drug use when doing so impairs a person who is supposed to be doing responsible business. On their own time, I don't care. Much. <shrug> At any rate, I'm not making an argument for that (unlikely) possibility here. Simply stating my observations and feelings about it. Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi Here, though, you seem to be decrying that supply cannot meet demand. You misread me. What I am doing is pointing out the suspicious nature of the lack of abundant supply in Caldari space, and its public and obvious availability elsewhere. Ergo, this stuff that is coming across our borders is not of our own making, but is part of a huge, publicly accepted and commercially funded endeavor from polities that indulge in such vices openly and frequently. (True, some debauched Caldari also participate in home-creation of these substances, but they are not in the majority and for the most part cannot undertake drug production with anything near the volume and distribution evidenced by outworld sources.) The connection with the Gallente, I should think, is obvious. Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I guess it wouldn't be a conspiracy if it weren't for the Insidious Gallente Attempts to Delude! I'm not a conspiracy theorist, but for the record, I'm not particularly trusting of foreigners, either (though I've met a reliable one here and there), and I don't apologize for that. I think many (not all, but many) problems in Caldari society can be traced directly to the influence of other races and foreign cultures that have caused moral decay among our people. We have our own ways, and they serve us best. Abuse of drugs is not on that list.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.28 02:35:00 - [32] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 28/08/2006 02:39:03 Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 28/08/2006 02:37:17 Originally by: Dire Lauthris In any case, I doubt Ms. Venn was referring to boosters when she brought up this topic though I am quietly interested on her viewpoints concerning them. You are correct in that supposition, sir. I was referring to illegal drugs used (or abused) for recreation, and as I have recently become aware, for 'enjoyment' during work hours by certain parties. My umbrage is reserved for destructive substances that impair function, not enhance it. An executive (much less a pod pilot!) dozing under a haze of Sooth induced euphoria on work time is not exactly the person I want at the helm of any enterprise I have an interest in - or must work for or with. I am not entirely comfortable with the Booster concept for pilots, but am reserving judgment until I learn more or see more of its effects. The fundamental difference between work-enhancing boosters and illegal rec drugs is that with the boosters we have a notion of what kind of controlled doseage provides manageable benefits, and use them within those parameters. In the recreational drug market, it's every woman for herself, and addictive substances are just as common as other alterants (or more so). Work-vetted boosters do not represent the same slippery slope.
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.28 09:58:00 - [33] I don't get it. Doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals. -----
Redbad Minmatar East Heimatar Trading Company	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:02:00 - [34] Ethics is for the user, not for the trader. --- embrace the fire from the East.
Kailea Shandrasekkar Caldari Entrenched Mining Core	Posted - 2006.08.28 14:52:00 - [35] Originally by: James Snowscoran I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals. As anything that hinders a professional's performance(thus raising human error probabilities, something not exactly desirable in deep space) both drugs and alcohol are strickly forbidden in my ships, and subject to the maximum penalty allowed under Caldari corporate regulations. Haak-kin k'len.
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.28 15:18:00 - [36] Originally by: Kailea Shandrasekkar Originally by: James Snowscoran I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals. As anything that hinders a professional's performance(thus raising human error probabilities, something not exactly desirable in deep space) both drugs and alcohol are strickly forbidden in my ships, and subject to the maximum penalty allowed under Caldari corporate regulations. Yep- like any sensible starship captain or HR executive would've done. The fact that some people can't manage their own business doesn't mean individual irresponsability needs to be punishable by formal authorities. -----
Corsario Lusitania Gallente Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2006.08.28 19:08:00 - [37] I have also noticing that bid for drugs is increasing and as a Gallente I do not accept this for it is illegal. Nevertheless I believe that drugs should be legalized striclty under medical prescription and proper sites for their consumption ought to be made from where the person could not get out before the effects stopped. Authorities would tax the drugs thus increasing the govs revenues and use them in anti-drugs campaigns and the teaching of the adverse effects to the youngs. This could also end the distribution of low quality and counterfit drugs that cause devastating damage. Another measure should be the price tagging not by the dealers but by Concord so that there would be a fair price to it. But as I said, until it is legal, no drug will enter my spaceship.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.29 00:03:00 - [38] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 29/08/2006 00:05:36 Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 29/08/2006 00:04:12 Originally by: James Snowscoran I don't get it. Doesn't seem to be a problem to me. I mean, how hard can it be to recognize that your co-worker is sitting in a drug-induced haze at work? Come on. Just deal with it the same way that you deal with a dead drunk coworker; report it to management and let them handle the reprisals. You are Caldari, James, and I credit you with more imagination than that. I am on a mission, piloting my ship. The drug-hazed individual is not a "co-worker" but the person who issued my contract, and who might have to make command decisions at a moment's notice or provide immediate support should something go awry while I am in the field. I can't report him/her to the boss - s/he is the boss. Nor am I an internal member of their organization, with ready access to higher-ups (boards of directors?) who can deal with top management. Meanwhile my safety may depend on coherent informed decisions from an impaired individual. Color me not happy. Originally by: James Snowscoran The fact that some people can't manage their own business doesn't mean individual irresponsability needs to be punishable by formal authorities. Although Kailea referred to regulations, I did not. My complaint is about the usage in and of itself, for the reasons aforestated. (Tho I share her no-alterant attitude for my crew as well. If I discover drugs on my ships the persons are summarily dismissed and blacklisted within my network of contacts.) We spend enough time in port, crew can get their ya-yas out somewhere other than aboard my vessel. If not, there are consequences, and they know that when they sign on.
Ly'sol Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.29 01:37:00 - [39] <pauses for a moment> Behazed? Interesting enough I have yet to be called that. I do admit I can easily be painted multiple colors. But such a geniunly new discipter. My dear Miss Venn, <Translator goes freaky trying to make sense of what he said.> And in Caldari proper, loosly translated...Your an eisel in a mindscape of paint. Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 8AUG06
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.29 02:05:00 - [40] Originally by: Ly'sol Edited by: Ly''sol on 29/08/2006 01:50:30 <pauses for a moment> Behazed? Interesting enough I have yet to be called that. I do admit I can easily be painted multiple colors. But such a geniunly new discipter. Thank you, I think. Originally by: Ly'sol My dear Miss Venn, Ms will suffice. Originally by: Ly'sol Drugs are bad because the bad people sell them to good people that turns them bad. And the now bad people will now buy more drugs from the bad people to keep thier habit so the bad people have good incomes. Take drugs away, there wont be any good income for bad people other than murdering. But the good people wont buy the bad drugs so the bad people have to find another good income that could be more bad than what drugs are. So basically. Drugs. Are. Good. I think you fried the logic circuits on your translator. Unless, of course, that was the product of your own brain, in which case we probably have little more to say to one another that will make mutual sense.
Kehmor Caldari New Roots Narcotics	Posted - 2006.08.29 23:57:00 - [41] I'm gona take this as an opportunity to advertise: New roots narcotics - buying and selling all narcotics across the galaxy, and interestingly enough about half our business has been in caldari space. Also Ly'sol as you seem interested in this i am going to take this opportunity to ask if I might have a word.
Ly'sol Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.30 09:04:00 - [42] Edited by: Ly''sol on 30/08/2006 09:05:21 Ms. then.. My <heavy accent> pleasure. <turns his ghostly gaze to Kehmor> What you want pa'tak? <pause> er you no good dirty scoundrel... <gives a friendly smile> State your business, my friend Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 8AUG06
Kehmor Caldari New Roots Narcotics	Posted - 2006.08.30 11:44:00 - [43] More of a private enquirey, I'll catch hold of ya some time.

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