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Shanaya Venn	Posted - 2006.08.26 04:55:00 - [1] I am disturbed by the increasing use of illegal drugs among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better. Seems I canÆt turn around these days without some colleague (usually a station agent acquainted with me through my independent shipping work for them) asking me on the sly if I can help them procure the favorite substance du jour, very often for the use of their bosses and visiting VIPs. I donÆt know if IÆm alone in this but I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity. In areas as far apart as opposite ends of Caldari space û and among differing economic classes and factions û again and again I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice. My answer is no. But IÆm not the only pilot out there, and these substances are being moved with considerable frequency by someone, IÆm sure. These offers are fairly blatant, done right under the nose of (or in some cases in the very station occupied by) CONCORD. I can only assume the Powers That Be are turning a blind eye to this amusement when it is pursued by the Rich and/or Well-Connected. Pity the poor pilot trying to make that fast ISK chit, though, if s/heÆs not flying under the radar well enough. I find it telling, too, that there is virtually no news coverage or media mention of this passionate fad (addiction?) among those who can afford chemical escapism. If weÆre going to ignore it anyway, letÆs legalize it. But if weÆre declaring it illegal, then letÆs do something about it. This public no/private yes to the drug question is unethical, and ultimately bad for business. Anyone else notice the epidemic and the back-door business that serves it? I know IÆm not imagining all this and I wonder why no one else talks about it. Or û shh û does that mean IÆll lose contract work if I do? Hmmà
Hitomi Ayame Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid	Posted - 2006.08.26 05:20:00 - [2] I blame the Gallente, spreading their corruption to every corner of the galaxy they can reach. Have you seen some of their popular holovids these days? Glamourizing the life of the outlaw, the smuggler, and even the pirate, while painting the true heroes, those fighting for law, order, justice, and civility, as the villians. Shameful, really. - - - The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting! Step up and serve God and Khanid today!
Mebrithiel Ju'wien Minmatar Blood Inquisition	Posted - 2006.08.26 06:46:00 - [3] I blame the Khanid and their intollerance. If the kids were exposed in small doses and boosters were seen as less of a misdemeanor, maybe the youth culture would adapt and see them as nothing more than recreation. Down with the Khanid! ~~~~~
Kaleigh Doyle Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:37:00 - [4] Might I suggest some Blue Pill for our uptight Khanid sister? grins
Shanaya Venn	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:43:00 - [5] I knew a Khanid, once. Old man, kind of decrepit. He hung out for the longest time in the back serviceways near the reprocessing plants on Poinen IM2. The Spacelane Patrol guys treated him like a household pet - if you think of a pet as something that comes in all scraggly from the out-yonder once every couple weeks, for food and attention and the occasional shower. I deigned to ignore him, always bowing and scraping around my gunboat bay, could he run the sonic buffer over it, get rid of those micro-dents from space debris, could he carry my bags, could he....whatever. No matter how curt I was he was always pleasant, smiling, friendly. Not tripped-out wonky, but...mellow. One day when I was saying no to his offer to run my cargo sleds, he counteroffered with a ball of black ash-and-tar like substance in his palm. Like I was supposed to know what I was looking at. He mumbled something about lotus eaters and assured me this was the path to enlightenment. Needless to say I declined. But I got it, in that moment, why he could always be so mellow. My crew said he had "really insightful things to say." I think he was just stoned on the juice of the near-poppy. Then he disappeared. Fell into a reclaim unit, I heard. Tsk. Drugs'll screw up your balance like that. Still. He seemed nice enough. For a drug-using foreigner.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 07:58:00 - [6] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 26/08/2006 07:59:59 "never mind". Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:00:00 - [7] Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:09:00 - [8] Edited by: Shanaya Venn on 26/08/2006 08:10:10 Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance?] Oh, yes. I worry terribly about that. I also fret endlessly about the deteriorating quality of air scrubbers aboard my vessel, and the shyster tactics of certain supply quartermasters, and the "no tax, but many usage fees" approach certain ports employ to squeeze funds out of transient (you don't live there) persons, like myself. But mostly, in re drugs, I wonder if these people are doing this on business time as well as their own time? Because I know I'm being asked to serve this need on business time. And based on the quality of "business" (or "political") decision leadership that has been coming out of some of our leading corps lately, I'm not surprised to note a correlation between relaxed leisure-time synapses, and lacksidasical business decisions. If it were only on their "own time" that they pursued "recreational" pursuits, I could care less. But it isn't. It's while I'm on duty, it's while cargo masters and logistics managers are on duty (and ordering the stuff) and while the Brass are supposed to be "making business decisions" in that day-long conference... well. It ain't all conference, that's clear to me. Feh. Or perhaps this doesn't bother you because you are one of their suppliers? Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Yoshito Sanders Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:10:00 - [9] Drugs are dark and immoral things. They lead one to turn their back from God. Instead of spending time in quiet prayer or reflection, it is merely a race to get more money to buy more drugs, and spend your time in a stupor staring dully ahead or going on a mad rampage. No, drugs should only be used with a perscription from a doctor. Otherwise, you're only hurting yourself and those around you.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:13:00 - [10] Edited by: Rakatan Ronala on 26/08/2006 08:14:45 This dous not concern me,if you do not have the strength to fight against such a drug you mightaswell fall to it in the first place. However,as to the frequency,i do hear of some smugglers going on. Furthermore dont blame other races for the drugs until you have evidence!
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:15:00 - [11] Originally by: Yo**o Sanders Drugs are dark and immoral things. They lead one to turn their back from God. Instead of spending time in quiet prayer or reflection, it is merely a race to get more money to buy more drugs, and spend your time in a stupor staring dully ahead or going on a mad rampage. No, drugs should only be used with a perscription from a doctor. Otherwise, you're only hurting yourself and those around you. I am surprised to see there's something an Amarrian says that I agree with, but there you have it. Well, not the god stuff, maybe, but the rest of it. There's a first time for everything. Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 08:23:00 - [12] Originally by: Shanaya Venn If it were only on their "own time" that they pursued "recreational" pursuits, I could care less. Lax work ethics should not be tolerated. Take it up with their management infrastructure... if you can find them. Personally I don't see the major corporations floundering and rotting from within. I see some individuals who're short-pathing themselves to an early demise. I'll distance myself from these types at the first instance. Originally by: Shanaya Venn Or perhaps this doesn't bother you because you are one of their suppliers? ... and that's mischievously close to slander. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 09:09:00 - [13] There is to much fear for these drugs,let them ruin their life if they want to,but it dous not have to affect the rest of the society so strongly dous it?
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:09:00 - [14] Originally by: Hitomi Ayame I blame the Gallente, spreading their ~~corruption~~ freedom to every corner of the galaxy they can reach. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
IzzyChan True Core	Posted - 2006.08.26 14:07:00 - [15] Drugs happen, if you don't like it, just avoid them. That's what I do, anyways. --------------------
Rakatan Ronala Minmatar	Posted - 2006.08.26 14:32:00 - [16] Well spoken,some care to much about things others willingly do to themselfes.
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.26 16:33:00 - [17] Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders. Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation.
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.26 17:39:00 - [18] Drugs don't kill people. People abusing Drugs kills people. Poor Drugs. Always being abused. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg
Nikolai Nuvolari Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:16:00 - [19] Originally by: IzzyChan Drugs happen, if you don't like it, just avoid them. That's what I do, anyways. Drugs HAPPEN? I don't understand how a drug can "happen". I was under the general impression that drugs, without outside intervention, just kind of...sit there. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period. Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:44:00 - [20] I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine. Personally, I'm disturbed by the increasing use of mining lasers among responsible corporate citizens and leadership who should know better. Seems I canÆt turn around these days without some colleague (usually a station agent acquainted with me through my independent shipping work for them) asking me on the sly if I can help them procure the favorite laser du jour, very often for the use of their bosses and visiting VIPs. I donÆt know if IÆm alone in this but I am appalled at the sheer breadth of this activity. In areas as far apart as opposite ends of Caldari space û and among differing economic classes and factions û again and again I hear hints, suggestions and outright offers of rich compensation should I become a procurer to feed this vice. My answer is no. But IÆm not the only pilot out there, and these lasers are being moved with considerable frequency by someone, IÆm sure. These offers are fairly blatant, done right under the nose of (or in some cases in the very station occupied by) CONCORD. I can only assume the Powers That Be are turning a blind eye to this amusement when it is pursued by the Rich and/or Well-Connected. Pity the poor pilot trying to make that fast ISK chit, though, if s/heÆs not flying under the radar well enough. The Red Mom of WarÖ
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.26 22:05:00 - [21] Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine.. I think that's an incredibly naive attitude, underscored by your flippant repetition of my own post with 'mining lasers' substituted for 'drugs'. Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? To fill this "need", drugs must be procured from elsewhere. From other races, other polities, outside our own well-regulated society. Or, they are manufactured clandestinely with ingredients of questionable quality in back-alley drug labs...with ingredients and formulas imported (you got it) from the drug-using societies of the world. I'm sure that's no accident. Dealers at home and abroad are happy to purvey this mind-rot to Caldarians and would be glad to fuel a public Caldari market if they could get away with it. I personally know of two Gallenteans who peddle Frentix and Sooth Sayer in two very busy hub ports in the Forge. Irritatingly, security forces fail to take notice of their activities. Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the tip of a much larger iceberg of Gallentean infiltration and undermining of all we hold dear. No doubt they are laughing up their sleeves the whole while. ~~~ Racing Turtle Enterprises "Slow and Steady Wins the Race!"
Takitoo Ebon Phoenix	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:35:00 - [22] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? To fill this "need", drugs must be procured from elsewhere. From other races, other polities, outside our own well-regulated society. Or, they are manufactured clandestinely with ingredients of questionable quality in back-alley drug labs...with ingredients and formulas imported (you got it) from the drug-using societies of the world. I'm sure that's no accident. Dealers at home and abroad are happy to purvey this mind-rot to Caldarians and would be glad to fuel a public Caldari market if they could get away with it. I personally know of two Gallenteans who peddle Frentix and Sooth Sayer in two very busy hub ports in the Forge. Irritatingly, security forces fail to take notice of their activities. Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. Take it from me. The Caldari know how to make drugs. This is not some plot from the exterior. This is the fact that very society has a drug problem. Don't try blaming your societies faults on others. I've had some damned good Caldari-made Bluepill. And the formula for that didn't come from the federation. Vent your paranoia elsewhere. ___________________________ snip Inappropriate link removed- Tirg Aww. No more funny.
Nakatre Read Caldari Vindication Angels	Posted - 2006.08.26 23:42:00 - [23] Quote: Hm. Gallenteans selling drugs to Caldari. Surely that is not happenstance. I wouldn't be surprised if it were the tip of a much larger iceberg of Gallentean infiltration and undermining of all we hold dear. Paranoid, are we? The Gallente get their boosters from the same source the Caldari do, just because they're more tolerant doesn't mean they are the evil that causes your precious State to be infested with smugglers. I just wish the State would be just as tolerant, they sure look like they could use some boosters once in a while. Plus, it's good for our business.
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.27 08:14:00 - [24] Interesting, that the last two comments here are from a drug-using pirate and a smuggler. Self-serving or protecting drug-related interests, obviously. I suppose that's to be expected. I freely admit that I have a suspicious mind. I don't consider that a bad thing: it has kept me alive in risky circumstances, and I value that critical perspective. But neither do I jump at shadows or suspect wheels within wheels routinely. But when evidence mounts, and there is enough smoke in certain place, it's not hard to spot the fire behind it all. Paranoia is not a prerequisite for logical thinking.
Ly'sol Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2006.08.27 08:24:00 - [25] The pure Deitis side of me is saying, "Good riddens, let drugs be a culling mechanisms to automatically weed out undesirables." But...the Gallente that has rubbed of on me is saying, "Dude....i just saw a Fox man." <eats some foul looking substance from a tube and continues> Really now...its all politics. You actually think CONCORD destroys confiscated shipments? Click here for Lysol's Linky Library-last updated 8AUG06
Shanaya Venn Caldari	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:09:00 - [26] Originally by: Ly'sol Really now...its all politics. You actually think CONCORD destroys confiscated shipments? In spite of your behazed state, you do raise a valid point. The fact is I don't know what CONCORD does with the shipments they confiscate. And that is a disturbing thought. I have to go wrestle with that for a bit, now...
Lewis Atreides	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:25:00 - [27] in this universe there is no room for morality. If someone wants to burn out on some drug or another, I say let them. I'll be there when the ashes settle and take what I can. I for one will ship anything anywere, I dont care what it is as long as thers a profit in it for me. slave, drugs, WMDs, hostages, whatever. I like ISK and nothing else.
Dire Lauthris Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.27 14:28:00 - [28] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Thank you. It's comforting to know that we're moving towards accomplishing our primary corporate objectives in an admirable fashion. Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation. Indeed? My agents within the Caldari Navy still seem to hold me in high enough regard. Ah well, no pleasing everyone I guess. I would like to mention here that of course all our transactional logs are strictly secure and confidential. Keep this in mind when one day in the future you desire an edge over a competitor. In any case, I doubt Ms. Venn was referring to boosters when she brought up this topic though I am quietly interested on her viewpoints concerning them. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders.
James Snowscoran Caldari Coreli Corporation	Posted - 2006.08.27 19:05:00 - [29] Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Originally by: Dire Lauthris Why does this disturb you? Worried your tax isn't being fed back into Pavement Maintenance? These "responsible corporate citizens" -- are they behaving irrationally? None of the contacts I've met ever let their recreational vices get in the way of business. Allow adults to think for themselves. Many people are capable of managing their own lives. For those that can't; well if it's not Mindlood that's the end of them it'll be something else. -- Propaganda Director Coreli Corporation The views expressed may or may not reflect those of Coreli Corporation [CRII] and Shareholders. Yes, clearrly you and the rest of Coreli are a shining example of the good effects of boosters. Granted, you're a traitor twice. First to the State, then to the Federation. It is ironic, that while the State always turns a blind eye to Serpentis operations, the paramilitaries still feel it is necessary to bad-mouth Serpentis and its daughter-corporations whenever the opportunity arises. Take your outdated mercantilist views somewhere else please. There are many megacorps that, sensibly enough, see opportunities for progress and profit in the new pharmaceutical markets. People complain that drugs are dangerous, but fact is that an average spaceship crewmember have a fatality rate twenty-seven thousand times higher than a typical recreational pharmaceutical user. I really can't see spaceship manufacturing stopping up just because thousand of crewmembers blow up on a daily basis in petty corporate wars for markets and profit. -----
Shintoko Akahoshi Omerta Syndicate Pure.	Posted - 2006.08.28 01:51:00 - [30] Originally by: Shanaya Venn Originally by: Shintoko Akahoshi I dunno, I've always found drugs pretty happenin'... Seriously, though, why worry about it? If someone does drugs on company time, then their employer should fire them. If their employer doesn't, then they're obviously turning out shoddy products (or whatever they do for money), and aren't a concern of mine.. I think that's an incredibly naive attitude, underscored by your flippant repetition of my own post with 'mining lasers' substituted for 'drugs'. Flippant, I'll accept. Seriously, though, what exactly are you objecting to in your original post? Originally by: Shanaya Venn Have you noticed that these goods that are apparently in such demand in corporate back-offices are not to be had even on the gray or black market directly in Caldari space? Once again, I'm confused about what you're objecting to in your original post. Originally you seem to feel that drugs are Bad, though you don't really say why they are bad - other than the fact that people could do them during business hours. Here, though, you seem to be decrying that supply cannot meet demand. What, exactly, do you want? Do you want people to agree that drugs are bad? Or do you want them to agree that supply cannot meet demand? And if so, do you want them to buy from you? I'm just confused about this. As far as the whole Gallente Conspiracy to Corrupt Caldari goes, I find it telling that all of the drugs in my hangar came from Amarr, while the most vocal drug dealer in the region (Forge) I know is Caldari. But I guess it wouldn't be a conspiracy if it weren't for the Insidious Gallente Attempts to Delude! The Red Mom of WarÖ

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