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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 26/08/2006 18:37:52
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Are you accusing Umbra Congregatia and Interstaller Alcohol Conglomerate of criminal activities, as that are the corp and alliance she's a part of this very moment.
I'm sure that with a name like that they're committing at least one crime somewhere in the galaxy.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:53:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Takitoo Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
Ask her in a private convo?
1)I do not answer private convos from unknown pilots, so wouldn't work.
2)The sanctuary offered during my transition was welcome and the time enough for me to attend an important business. This done, I offer my thanks to the club and to Umbra my new home.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 19:02:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Takitoo Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
Ask her in a private convo?
1)I do not answer private convos from unknown pilots, so wouldn't work.
2)The sanctuary offered during my transition was welcome and the time enough for me to attend an important business. This done, I offer my thanks to the club and to Umbra my new home.
For someone who is seeking forgiveness from the Order of Saint Tetrimon, that really is an odd choice of home.
I'd be surprised if Grand Master Horm has forgotten the role that Tyrrax Thorrk, your new corpmate, played in the assassination of his predecessor.
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Gazon
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.26 19:20:00 -
[34]
This whole affair is a disgusting farce. Let her redeem herself in the eyes of the Order of St. Tetrimon, it does not matter. God is all-seeing and thus the petty scheming we are witnessing is of no consequence. The day she stands before HIM she will come to see that all her actions in life since the day she strayed from the path of righteousness were useless.
I seriously doubt that GOD is very forgiving with many-tongued, opportunistic snakes.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 20:28:00 -
[35]
Matters of the Tetrimon matter not to PIE as we are not followers of their faith. What PIE does care about is the truth and obeying the word of God. The holy scriptures are final in this regard and lay out the true "test" of faith.
"'Which test reveals more of the soul - the test that a man will take to prove his faith. or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure, The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice.' -Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures
I would ask the Grand Master Horm how this scripture verse above is accounted for in this offer of pardon to this party? Or do you acknowledge your "pardon" is merely from the Tetrimon and in no way represents anything from the Amarrian Empire? I am perhaps most concerned Revan has not been required to denounce "Dark Seraph Gods".
Treason..... heresy...... murder........ Crimes against all Amarrians.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
That seems to indicate an inability to truly receive "redemption". While a leader of a religious faction may grant a heretic redemption and reprieval the fact remains in the Amarrian Empire with Amarrian Law and Amarrian Scriptures only God or his advocate a legal Emperor may grant such a pardon. A sideroom deal by a corrupt official or laundry list of demands by a faction religious icon matter not in the face of Gods true words.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
Now as a man of God I see only someone who has harmed our Holy Empire. I do not yet see the face of redemption or the soul of the repentent. I see opportunistic desires for self above all first and foremost. I see one who has caused great harm and suffering to loyalists of Amarr offered what amounts to nothing in reality as the Grand Master has no authority in the Empire itself.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
While the accused may receive a pardon from the Tetrimon religious order it matters little to the Amarrian Empire. Our Empire is ruled by laws and scriptures and here it is clear. While a person may seek redemption through deeds be it known that the Empire under God recognizes only He or an Emperor can grant this.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
In this time of tribulation and trial I believe God is testing all of us. Even Revan Nefaris is being tested but a different kind of test. Her test is actually quite simple compared to ours. She is being asked to do certain things by the Grand Master to redeem herself and receive a pardon. Like a robot she can go through these steps and complete all of them quite easily.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
Yet the real test is in her heart. There is much more that must be done to receive forgiveness from those harmed by her actions. Much more than money and slaves and property could ever pay for. Much more than an apology will atone for. Those things can not be listed yet in the heart of someone truly seeking forgiveness those things will be clear. Will Revan Nefaris recognize those acts of atonement in herself and perform them? If so there is hope. If not it is clear she is going through the motions.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
The gates of paradise will open for you one time only.......... Final words from God and final words from our Empire. While this pardon from the Tetrimon faith may ease her mind personally be it known she has knocked once already at the door of the almighty. The door was opened for her and she stepped inside. She then made the choice to walk out the door and turn her back on God.
...woe to the soul who dares to knock twice
Archbishop PIE Priest
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari Gilead's Bullet Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.26 21:13:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
On behalf of Gilead's Bullet corporation, I accept your apology for cluttering my personal stomping grounds, also known as Galnet, with all this nonsense about your petty "wars".
No compensation is necessary. --------------------- Originally by: Herko Kerghans Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.08.26 22:49:00 -
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I was not involved in the VF wars. The reason why I am talking here is because I dislike the incompetence of Grandmaster Horm. It seems Tyrrax Thorrk, the new corp member of Revan Neferris, accomplished an unfortunate effective job against Tetrimon by killing Grandmaster Elata Ardo. Tetrimon under Grandmaster Horm is nothing but a sad joke.
I will watch this thread closely. I will watch how serious Grandmaster Horm takes his very own words.
Originally by: Grandmaster Horm You will make damage reparations to those faithful corporations you've harmed. Part of redemption is undoing the damage you've done. You told me of your wealth, and now it is time for this wealth to be used to rebuild the assets of those whom it has been used to destroy.
I know about this numbers and will take this damage done by a small hired merc force as a first indicator. I don't know how damage the rest of VF has done.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.26 23:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia Horm, you are a fool. You're action, if done by the State, would be on par with the SEP pardoning a high-ranking officer of the Guristas.
High-ranking officer of the guristas. I'm impressed.
Don't be, the Guristas are the biggest joke to ever attack the State.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:15:00 -
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We should not be condemning the Grand Master for offering a foolish woman a chance at a pardon. As the Grand Master said, even a pardon would just be that: a pardon. It is not a proclamation of trust in Revan, nor is it giving justification for the actions she started.
However, I am sure once the Grand Master finishes laughing heartily at the "efforts" made by Revan, he will condemn her for the mockery she has made of a man's good will and wish to have all under God.
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Graelyn
Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:32:00 -
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Stand by for an announcement from the Order reguarding this.
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia Fleet Admiral/CEO - The Aeternus Crusade |
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Hitomi Ayame
Amarr Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:36:00 -
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I must say, I agree with Golan Trevize. Though I am not fully aware of his past history, or his reasons for leaving the Empire, his words seem refreshingly blunt and truthful. In the Kingdom, such a woman would be hanged for her crimes, if she were not burned at the stake for her heresies, or disemboweled for her dishoner.
See how, even now, she mocks those she should be begging for forgiveness.
If this is what the Order of St.Tetrimon has come to, I am glad you have returned to the Empire. The Khanid Kingdom has no place for such ignoble and ungodly actions. - - -
The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
Step up and serve God and Khanid today!
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:44:00 -
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Just because some self-proclaimed Grand Master has decided to pardon a woman who is guilty of so many crimes does not abolish her sins. A true pardon, if any could be given, must come from the Emperor himself. Seeing that we are lacking that particular figure at the moment, and we are no closer to having a new head of state elected - I see no reason to forgive or forget the long list of crimes committed against the Empire and her subjects. What the Order does is their own business, but let me be the first to remind you that you are guests and have no right to decide on the fate of anyoneÆs souls let alone one as tarnished as this one. If this woman were to face trial before the theology council û then I would accept their decision. But the Order has neither jurisdiction nor authority to dispense pardons on behalf of the Empire under any circumstance. Another page turns but the chapter has not ended by any means.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:50:00 -
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Edited by: Darth Revanant on 27/08/2006 01:55:05 Grand Master Horm, I have been a supporter of yours and your Order for years. The fact that you even offered your (not the Empire's, and not God's) redemption is a slap in the face to all those loyal to the Empire who have fought and sacrificed to keep things like what this witch tried to do from happening, including me. To even think that such a vile creature could ever hold true to anything that spews forth from her mouth is foolish in the extreme. I'd like to think you're not a fool.
She claims to want to work toward redemption and the most important conditions you give her are to apologize and make reparations. Look at her response. Her apology is one unspecific sentence directed to no one. After witnessing the sheer ubelievably stunning amount of verbal diarrhea that spews from the gape of this witch's mouth, I, and everyone else I should hope, expect an apology much grander in scope, specific in address, and perhaps containing a shred of sincerity might help. The first part of apologizing is admiting what one did wrong in the first place. That might be a good place to start.
Then there's this matter of reparations. This woman and her actions caused tens of billions of ISK in damages (not to mention the damages which can't be measured) to hundreds of pilots which she and her compatriots spent billions to acheive. You know better than I of her personal fortune. And what does she offer as reparations? Ten thousand elite slaves. A mere sixty million ISK in assets which would not only put a financial and logistical burden on their owners, but considering their source, would be a huge liability. If any of those slaves were to go anywhere near anything that could be destroyed, sabotaged, bugged, poisoned, stolen, or otherwise tampered with, you can bet they'd have instructions to do so.
I'm not even going to go into the lack of respect and the disdain she shows for her betters accompanying this so-called 'apology'. It's fairly self-evident for you to read here and she can't help herself from doing it because she doesn't mean a word of her apology or give a damn about making any reparations. Her first act after contacting you about forgiveness is to join the most infamous criminal organization in the cluster. Great start, wouldn't you say Grand Master? The Guiding Hand quickly let her go for whatever reason, so her next brilliant decision was to join an organization called the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate. Sounds like the epitome of amarrian virtue and redemption. The specific corporation just so happens to contain the murderer of Grand Master Ardo, excuse me, Saint Ardo. Another great choice for one asking the Order of St. Tetrimon for forgiveness. Don't tell me you're blind Grand Master Horm.
You're very close to alienating all those who have and will support you Grand Master. From where you sit, you need the help of the people. _______________
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Sieesa
Amarr Liberated
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:54:00 -
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Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. The fate of the previous grand master should have been an indication that they were "not wanted" within the Empire. They have taken too many liberties since the Theology council lifted the exile proclomation, I have seen them take these liberties, they have not been recognized as an official arm of the Amarrian Religion....please, please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space.
Sieesa Morgan
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Darth Revanant
Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Sieesa Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. The fate of the previous grand master should have been an indication that they were "not wanted" within the Empire. They have taken too many liberties since the Theology council lifted the exile proclomation, I have seen them take these liberties, they have not been recognized as an official arm of the Amarrian Religion....please, please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space.
Sieesa Morgan
Darth shakes his head
And you were doing so well... _______________
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Sidyous
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.27 02:29:00 -
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Edited by: Sidyous on 27/08/2006 02:32:09 Good day all,
As chosen representative of the CVA I would like to state the following. We will not be taking up any offers from Revan, what she has offered so far is nothing in comparison to the attempts to destroy an alliance loyal to the Empire. I should point out that we are not after an isk payment either, even though losses were infliced on us the financial effect was minimal, the war was futile and was more useful for pilot training than anything else. Furthermore this is merely a pardon from the Order of St Tetrimon, not the Theology council. We recognise one ruling body within the Empire at the moment in the absence of an Emperor and that is certainly not the Order of St Tetrimon.
Until such time as we receive word from those who truly matter, we will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol. No Verisum Family members or any of the Mercenaries they used will be welcome in CVA space or anywhere we patrol, they have proven themselves to be against what we stand for and Revan is the only one even attempting to apease us (and a dismal attempt it is).
Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance -----------------------------------------------
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 10:37:00 -
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Originally by: Sidyous Good day all,
As chosen representative of the CVA I would like to state the following. We will not be taking up any offers from Revan. We recognise one ruling body within the Empire at the moment in the absence of an Emperor and that is certainly not the Order of St Tetrimon.
Either way. my demand is met. I will return the elite slaves to their normal duties (reforming Neferis Estates gardens) And CVA prisoners of war will be given to my husband, returning to possession of Verisum where they originally were.
Originally by: Sidyous We will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol.
I have never asked anything related to change standings with you. Neither spoke in the name of Verisum Family, which only my husband and the First Governor Verjigorm has the right to do it. I'm a member of Umbra and if we are kos at least your words will prove me right when shooting what Umbra call "blue" targets. thanks for letting this clear.
Originally by: Sieesa Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. Please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space. Sieesa Morgan
Lady Morgan, I understand your distress. Let me assure you, that what is happening now between Horm and I is an approach from both sides. He does not trust me more than I trust him at this moment. We have had a long history of stress. Will he break his word and deny what he promissed? I don't think he would have come this far if this was his intention. The public opinion matters little in this particular dealing. There has been negociations between Horm and I. we know what we request from each other. Give proper time.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Sidyous
Amarr Auctoritan Syndicate Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.27 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Sidyous on 27/08/2006 11:13:42
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Sidyous We will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol.
I have never asked anything related to change standings with you. Neither spoke in the name of Verisum Family, which only my husband and the First Governor Verjigorm has the right to do it. I'm a member of Umbra and if we are kos at least your words will prove me right when shooting what Umbra call "blue" targets. thanks for letting this clear.
Sorry perhaps I did not make myself clear enough, by cronies I mean VF and its mercenary pals. The only person in IAC we will shoot is you, unless hostilities are opened up by the rest of IAC or more of your family join (in which them and you alone will be kill on sight noone else in IAC) then it is you alone who will be shot at. We have discussed this with your betters through the appropriate channels.
Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate CVA -----------------------------------------------
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Agmamenon Exinferis
Caldari Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.08.27 12:45:00 -
[49]
Whatever damages done to Polaris Project in Revan's crusade against CVA and other loyal Empire citizens (and hence us, as we are fierce supporters of CVA's sovereign space) we shall relinquish to CVA, as they stood and defended us locals to the area. We stand by CVA now, and have always done, it is only fair they make the decisions in this matter, as it has a broader political aspects than we can fairly assume part in.
-Agmamenon Exinferis, for the Polaris Project-
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Habraka
House Nosferatu Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.27 12:55:00 -
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Originally by: Sidyous ...or more of your family join...
I don't think anyone from VF is abandoning the alliance to follow Revan, afterall the request for Revan to leave was made by one of our enemies. We have better things to do then to listen to the insane demands of a retarded self-proclaimed priest of a heretic 'religious' order. Yes, I'm referring to Grand Master Horm.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 13:51:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sidyous Sorry perhaps I did not make myself clear enough, by cronies I mean VF and its mercenary pals. The only person in IAC we will shoot is you, unless hostilities are opened up by the rest of IAC or more of your family join (in which them and you alone will be kill on sight noone else in IAC) then it is you alone who will be shot at. We have discussed this with your betters through the appropriate channels.
Regards Lord Sidyous CEO Auctoritan Syndicate CVA
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases. This will, in no way, affect the diplomatic agreements. It is good that we have this clarified from both sides.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases.
You will be engaging the CVA? Interesting choice of words considering the first of Grandmaster Horm's demands:
Originally by: Grandmaster Horm Cease and desist all wars and hostilities with corporations loyal to the Amarr Empire.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Aodha Khan on 27/08/2006 15:31:34
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases.
You will be engaging the CVA? Interesting choice of words considering the first of Grandmaster Horm's demands:
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation. 
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:33:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation. 
I think that the context was clear.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Aodha Khan
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation. 
I think that the context was clear.
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 16:41:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Garden boy? Was that supposed to be some sort of insult? I suppose it couldn't have been, as you're meant to be avoiding that sort of behaviour these days.
Nobody said that you had to make yourself an open target.
I suggest that you can defend yourself just fine by staying away from CVA space.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |

Revan Neferis
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Garden boy? Was that supposed to be some sort of insult? I suppose it couldn't have been, as you're meant to be avoiding that sort of behaviour these days.
Nobody said that you had to make yourself an open target.
I suggest that you can defend yourself just fine by staying away from CVA space.
Your suggestion is valid and I particulary have nothing to do on CVA space. As supposed to avoid this and that, I've been asked to avoid many things from Horm and all so far in vain. He broke my homeand my husband is suffering immensily. I have complied to all requests. It is time to see if Horm will comply to his side. I've been pressed to take a decision soon. There are more things that waits action other than this pardon. The time for hesitation is over from both sides.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:30:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis I have complied to all requests.
That is not for you to decide.
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:12:00 -
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Divine Bovine ! I take that back. ___________________________
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr Ubiqua Seraph Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:20:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo I can't wait to see if he'll post here again, probably defending her or something.
Wrong! The Grand Master has proven he is not a fool, merely a compassionate and respectable man. He gave Revan a chance and she blew it. Now it is her soul she has to make peace with, not anyone else.
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