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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.08.26 06:45:00 -
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As many will remember the Order of St. Tetrimon had condemned the actions of the Versium Family some time ago. My charges in this matter continue to remain in effect.
Recently Revan approached me wishing to know how she could work to redeem herself before the Order of St. Tetrimon. I was very surprised to hear this and I set aside some time to think upon it.
The very spirit of the reclaiming rests upon the simple precept that through repentance and service, one can be forgiven their sins. Therefore when one seeks redemption from the pits of heresy we must consider what must be done for the damage to be undone. Everyone sets their own price of redemption, and the price may sometimes be too much to pay.
I contacted Revan again and gave her five conditions which she must meet in order to obtain a full pardon of these charges from the Order of St. Tetrimon.
These are the conditions she was given:
- Cease and desist all wars and hostilities with corporations loyal to the Amarr Empire.
- You will have to renounce your ties to the Vesium Family and Dark Sereph. Should others wish to follow you in a quest for redemption that is acceptable. They will also have to comply with these conditions if they want my support in the matter. Those names are forever tainted with the heresy they've wrought. In addition, while you deny having ties with the blood raiders or Sani Sabik I will still say that if you do you must renounce your ties with them.
- You will apologize, publicly, to every faithful corporation you've harmed. If you cannot admit you've done wrong by the faithful then you are not ready to serve with them again. There will be no compromise in this matter for the sake of personal pride. I explained that redemption involves sacrifice and in this case your sacrifice will be the one thing that led you to heresy to begin with, your pride. You must choose God before yourself, and I consider this condition the most important of any that I've listed.
- You will make damage reparations to those faithful corporations you've harmed. Part of redemption is undoing the damage you've done. You told me of your wealth, and now it is time for this wealth to be used to rebuild the assets of those whom it has been used to destroy.
- While your feelings are your own, you will not publicly or privately harbor ill will towards to those whom you've harmed.
The first condition has been met.
The second condition has been met.
The third condition has not yet been met.
The fourth condition she claims she is working on. I will be verifying the progress and completion of this condition with these organizations.
The fifth condition has been met.
These conditions will have to be met, and then upheld for a full pardon to take place.
There is room for interpretation in these conditions but they are related to the charges that I have laid against Revan and they will be removed when I see that these conditions have been met.
I will report the progress of this as I observe it.
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.08.26 06:46:00 -
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Some may say that Revan is unworthy of redemption. However redemption has happened to those that some would deem unworthy in the past. The actions committed, while servere, are nothing that cannot be undone. I consider the conditions above being met in full to be undoing most of the damage she's caused and therefore worthy of at least a Pardon on the charges of heresy. If she obtains it, I hope she will continue to walk the proper path that these conditions were meant to put her on. If she does not, then may God have mercy on her soul.
Also, in a somewhat related issue: I have been notified by multiple sources of a plot that is taking place against the Order of St. Tetrimon and myself in particular. Revan herself was implicated in this plot and she did inform me that she plans to reject the offer of a place in this clear attempt to fracture the Order of St. Tetrimon. I cannot completely believe Revan on this. She was informed that she will be unable to serve the Order of St. Tetrimon even if a pardon should be granted.
Also, precautions have been put in place, the person that plans to execute this plot and their co-conspirators are doomed to failure. The Scriptures, and their guardians will be protected.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St.Tetrimon
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.26 07:09:00 -
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Continuing with the requested demands;
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
As reparations, I offer the following:
10k elite slaves who will serve as working force to repair damage caused.
1.5k Prisoners of wars will be retrived
The Alliances / corporations who are interested to receive them, contact me personally with your official Diplomat.
Furthermore.
Regarding the agenda you refer I am not allowed to speak as yet. I'm not surprised that you have come to know that rumors sometimes are proven true.
I will provide an answer to the specific parts involved when time proves right.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.26 08:01:00 -
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I am struggling to stiffle some major guffaws, Revan.
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Gazon
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.26 10:57:00 -
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I wonder, with all the twisting and lip services of the past, how anyone could ever trust and/or believe this woman...
Now recruiting! |
Discorporation
Amarr
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:03:00 -
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
[chuckle]
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Octavinus Augustus
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:07:00 -
[7]
 Originally by: Revan Neferis
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
I notice that you fail to name any names of corporations/alliances that are specifically included in this apology.
I would personally like very much to hear who exactly comes under your definition of "innocent" in these matters.
Does this apology include AM from whom you rebelled?
Does it include CVA on whom you waged war?
Does it include the corporation to which I belong, PIE?
Could you please (at least for my convenience - and for the convenience of many others I guess) name those corporations your apology include by name?
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Soratah
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:09:00 -
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Edited by: Soratah on 26/08/2006 11:11:22
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Continuing with the requested demands;
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
As reparations, I offer the following:
10k elite slaves who will serve as working force to repair damage caused.
1.5k Prisoners of wars will be retrived
The Alliances / corporations who are interested to receive them, contact me personally with your official Diplomat.
Furthermore.
Regarding the agenda you refer I am not allowed to speak as yet. I'm not surprised that you have come to know that rumors sometimes are proven true.
I will provide an answer to the specific parts involved when time proves right.
What an insult to the integrity of those whom she fought against.
You see Grand Master, you offer this snake clemenancy and she spits in your face for it. Slaves which the injured parties will have to pay to keep fed and sheltered in insignificant figures are an insult.
A paltry "im sorry" and then evading the issue about what. What would be more appropriate: beg for forgiveness, name those whose charity you seek.
I apologise to the families of those whom my misguided usurpation has murdered.
I apologise for the assasination attempt on Bastables and pay to him the sum of 10m to cover the clone I had murdered.
I apologise to Graelyn of Aeternus Crusade for injury caused in the pursuit of my personal vendetta against him.
I apologise to Aegis Militia, PIE, CVA for wasting their time exorcising my taint from the Empire.Reperrations of at least one billion to each of those named above for their losses.
That should start you off, but we wont be satisfied with that. Not until I have the keys to your estates so we can sanctify it with holy Amarrian fire.
You yourself paraded in Amarr and lashed for each of your sins: Pride, vanity, lust chief among them.
Although I would personally see to it that you're taken away to the houses of lamentation, beyond all darkness. There you flesh shall be flayed from your bones and your soul left naked to God's eye!
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Golan Trevize
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:10:00 -
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From:M-C Hydra Archon class
Location:Pserz Imp Contract HQ
The hypocracy of this librarian never ceases to amaze me, pointing his crooked rat paw at me , calling me a traitor and unfaithfull to the Empire, and in the same breath work to redeem one who clearly is guilty of the very same crimes that i have been accused of.
I dont recall i was given any chance to clear my name or "work" to redeem myself in the eyes of this sect leader , but if you think about it , it all makes since, i am a member of a organization whos sole purpose is to combat enemies of Amarr and to protect the Emperor from the likes of the Tetrimon.
Lets take a look at the charges against lady Nefaris:
*Cease and desist all wars and hostilities with corporations loyal to the Amarr Empire.
Declaring war against a paramillitary organizition such as the CVA falls under CONCORD juristictionand thus is not a crime , however killing faithfull subjext of the Emperor is a capital sin and is punishable by death
*You will have to renounce your ties to the Vesium Family and Dark Sereph. Should others wish to follow you in a quest for redemption that is acceptable. They will also have to comply with these conditions if they want my support in the matter. Those names are forever tainted with the heresy they've wrought. In addition, while you deny having ties with the blood raiders or Sani Sabik I will still say that if you do you must renounce your ties with them.
Associating with bloodraiders , death
*You will apologize, publicly, to every faithful corporation you've harmed. If you cannot admit you've done wrong by the faithful then you are not ready to serve with them again. There will be no compromise in this matter for the sake of personal pride. I explained that redemption involves sacrifice and in this case your sacrifice will be the one thing that led you to heresy to begin with, your pride. You must choose God before yourself, and I consider this condition the most important of any that I've listed.
Apologize for murder??, that will not do let me quote the scriptures:
"Our Lord visited his flock and saw that all was not good.
Blasphemy and heresy ruled the land.
The Lord punished the sinners and drowned them in their own blood.
But the people of Amarr lived righteously and in fear of God.
Thus they were saved and became God's chosen one."
## The Scriptures. Book II.
God does not forgive sinners he drowns them in their own blood
*You will make damage reparations to those faithful corporations you've harmed. Part of redemption is undoing the damage you've done. You told me of your wealth, and now it is time for this wealth to be used to rebuild the assets of those whom it has been used to destroy.
How will you repair the lives you have taken , Revans death might be to some comfort for the families but no amount of ISK will repair what she has taken
*While your feelings are your own, you will not publicly or privately harbor ill will towards to those whom you've harmed
This is between God and Revan
I will not pass judgement on Revan Nefaris it is not my place to do so , but neither is it the Tetrimons , matters of heresey and treason are to be solved by the Theology Councill and the Imperial courts , not by sect leaders whos organizations legitimacy has yet to be be resolved.
Ask your self why would Horm want to redeem such a person??, is it out of caring for her imortal soul?? or is it to further his own purposes??.
Ask your self this??
Will Revan Nefaris a former cult follower be a asset to the Tetrimon sect again ,and most important will her substantial finances be of use to the "Grandmaster"
Golan Trevize M-C Capital Operations
The Gallente ideals of Freedom, Liberty and Equality will be met by the Amarr realities of Lasers, Armor and Battleships.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:30:00 -
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Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/08/2006 11:36:27
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 26/08/2006 11:33:37
Originally by: Octavinus Augustus
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
I notice that you fail to name any names of corporations/alliances that are specifically included in this apology.
I would personally like very much to hear who exactly comes under your definition of "innocent" in these matters.
Does this apology include AM from whom you rebelled?
Does it include CVA on whom you waged war?
Does it include the corporation to which I belong, PIE?
Could you please (at least for my convenience - and for the convenience of many others I guess) name those corporations your apology include by name?
The apology is addressed to all who wants to receive them. It includes the alliances/corporations you mention and PIE, although raged wars against VF of course if feel included, I will not say otherwise.
The matters I pursue at this moment is of more interest to me as any other that was ever presented. I will pursue it, and accomplish what was requested independent of any unwelcome opinions regarding Horm or Myself. As I was also adviced to not reply to vulgarities, AM and Cia save your breath.
The elite slaves and the Prisoners of war are offered still, including to PIE. They are under my personal treatment, at my Estates and are kept well shaped, but I won't have them there forever, so make up your minds. The offer is still valid, will you accept or not, is the least of my concerns.
Originally by: Golan Trevize
Ask your self why would Horm want to redeem such a person??, is it out of caring for her imortal soul?? or is it to further his own purposes??.
Ask your self this??
Will Revan Nefaris a former cult follower be a asset to the Tetrimon sect again ,and most important will her substantial finances be of use to the "Grandmaster"
Golan Trevize M-C Capital Operations
This is between Horm and Myself. If he has an agenda, who doesn't?
Who will be the judge of it? Let's wait and see what the future brings.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Habraka
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:32:00 -
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CVA and PIE declared war on VF, if I recall correctly.
And I wonder where that rat of a Chancellor Valerius is now, so he can see where all his begging brought him and his order.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:33:00 -
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Some Elite Slaves for 10 billion in damage caused by Omniscient Order alone according to their logs? Doesn't sound feasible.
Now recruiting!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 11:35:00 -
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Grand Master Horm, we will be privately contacting you shortly regarding this matter.
In the meantime, I ask all PIE members below the rank of Vice-Admiral to refrain from adding to this discussion here.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Tigerfish Torpedo
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:29:00 -
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Truely incredible! Fascinating, in fact.
Anyone else find it interesting that during the war, all of VF's enemies (Pie, CVA, AM, Intaki Union, etc, etc) state they've taken such little damage from our forces and caused us so much loss, and yet once the word "reparations" has been uttered, suddenly a figure of 10 billion crops up!
Tell me, how can a corp claiming complete victory over VF request such high payment? <laughs again>
Pathetic!
Besides, other than the 'get rich quick' scheme operating here against the former Shiras of Dark Seraph, it is another point that PIE declared war upon VF. Where should be the need for reparations, or even apology, for a war Lady Neferis never started?
Just my humble opinion.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:39:00 -
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I was just referring to the figures Omniscient Order has made public, which noone ever claimed to be false. If the losses actually hurt anyone is besides the point - that is the damage that was caused.
Besides Revan will remain to be a persona non grata unless the Emperor himself or the Privy Council decrees otherwise.
Now recruiting!
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: Tharrn
I was just referring to the figures Omniscient Order has made public, which noone ever claimed to be false. If the losses actually hurt anyone is besides the point - that is the damage that was caused.
Besides Revan will remain to be a persona non grata unless the Emperor himself or the Privy Council decrees otherwise.
Again mixing with deals you didn't even participate. I find amusing.
To my Prathet, you are right Tigerfish. But do not concern yourself, I'm full aware of the fact these people simply can't set a price in a pardon which would be similar of selling the gates of heaven. Lunacy in it's pure shape.
The elite slaves, 10k, could alone build an entire system. To offer such work force is already very feasible of me, if not perhaps even generous.
The prisioners of wars, it is their own alliaces / corps who should have interest on receiving them. Should they also not be welcomed, I will simply send them back to Verisum to be subject of our laboratory experiments as they were firstly intented to be used.
Finally the "persona non grata" I hope this will be very true. I have no interest whatsoever on shaking hands with you anytime soon.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Tigerfish Torpedo
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 12:59:00 -
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<Wiping a tear away>
Former Prathet, Shiras. You left me behind.....
I hope it was worth it, I really do.
<Carries on crying>
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Guiding Hand Social Club
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Posted - 2006.08.26 13:30:00 -
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Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
<Wiping a tear away>
Former Prathet, Shiras. You left me behind.....
I hope it was worth it, I really do.
<Carries on crying>
My beloved Tigerfish; No tears. Know that I have told My husband, the Lord Jeserat Verisum about all your services under your period as my Prathet and he is trully moved by everything you have done.
I'm sure that you will find confort as his Archist.
Be strong my dear. Be the Prathet I have always admired.
Remember; you have a special place inside my heart.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Tigerfish Torpedo
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 13:39:00 -
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<Stops crying and bows his head>
Shiras, although that does not ease my pain at all, I appreciate your words. Your wisdom and kindness will never be forgotten, even during these, my darkest days. It was truely an honor serving you, and only you. I will have a bottle of your favorite wine despatched today.
Fairwell, dearest Shiras. May you always be looked upon with the respect and love that I felt during my time as your Prathet.
<Turns off his compad>
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Habraka
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 14:37:00 -
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Verisum Family still follows the ideology of Dark Seraph, which Revan was a member of and on which she based her actions. She may have joined another corporation due to demands of a higher ranking official, she will never leave VF in spirit and ideas.
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Koshmarnaya Akula
Kydance Radiant Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.26 16:24:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm
If you cannot admit you've done wrong by the faithful then you are not ready to serve with them again.
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Continuing with the requested demands;
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
Well good thing that was done in the right spirit....
*rolls eyes*
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.26 16:29:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
The elite slaves, 10k, could alone build an entire system. To offer such work force is already very feasible of me, if not perhaps even generous.
Perhaps they could build a computer-system, with some training, but 10k of the hardest workers or most effective construction drones cannot do what you're claiming. 10million slaves, even 'elite' ones, cannot.
Slaves are just too... ineffective, and like all other citizens of the cluster, their bodies are too fragile and weak.
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The prisioners of wars, it is their own alliaces / corps who should have interest on receiving them. Should they also not be welcomed, I will simply send them back to Verisum to be subject of our laboratory experiments as they were firstly intented to be used.
Horm should open his eyes, or have his God cure his blindness. Revan has not given up her ties to VF, she simply sits with others until you stop looking at her. Horm, you are a fool. You're action, if done by the State, would be on par with the SEP pardoning a high-ranking officer of the Guristas.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:06:00 -
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Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Horm, you are a fool. You're action, if done by the State, would be on par with the SEP pardoning a high-ranking officer of the Guristas.
 High-ranking officer of the guristas. I'm impressed.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Verjigorm
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:12:00 -
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Originally by: Grand Master Horm
- You will have to renounce your ties to the Vesium Family and Dark Sereph. Should others wish to follow you in a quest for redemption that is acceptable. They will also have to comply with these conditions if they want my support in the matter. Those names are forever tainted with the heresy they've wrought. In addition, while you deny having ties with the blood raiders or Sani Sabik I will still say that if you do you must renounce your ties with them.
The [listed] condition has been met.
ItÆs time for Dark Seraph to speak. We have been betrayed and it has been a most savage and deep betrayal. Our betrayer is not Revan Verisum, however. Our betrayer is Grand Mast Horm. There is no longer any need to convey our long history of service to our empire or the fight weÆve taken so strongly to our opponents. No, you see only what you wish to see in our actions.
But you, Grand Master Horm, have gone too far. You have torn a woman from her Family. The house of her husband is no longer where she rests. You, Horm, have taken that from her even as she complied with your ridiculous demands. She belongs with us and you have torn her from her home.
This will not be tolerated. You are pulling from her all that she holds dear when clearly she has strived to comply to your demands. Are you so arrogant to have to take it all from her? Your cronies, your puppets in your order speak of her free will, they clearly donÆt know of the pressure you applied to her. How disgusting. No voice of God would be so wholly concentrated on destroying that which is so beautiful.
This demand is not acceptable. I will not allow you to destroy her pr us any longer. I am disgusted by your pompous arrogance Horm and that of your Order. Your time shall come. I will show you.
Deliver her unto us or I shall myself.
Signed,
Reisha Nafina
First Governor
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:20:00 -
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I really think if this uh ... Horm guy wasn't so dense the little one couldn't get away with all this, by just writing some apologies. (with some flashy rhetorics belittling the people she's 'apologising' to, even)
I wouldn't blame this halfassed attempt at "Amarr Justice" so much on her. We all know where she stands. I'd blame it on Horm who for some reason must have had a brain amputation or something. Because he sure is acting like it. The first thing I'd do, if I was in his position is seize all assets. Not some paltry little sum, or anything. No. All assets.
then I'd make sure she grovels, not this bullcrap "head held high" with some thinly veiled insults stunt she's doing. Grovel. Apologise. Not stand there and say "corporations who feel they were harmed" or little things like "vulgarities, so CVA/PIE save your breath".
She doesn't sound like an apologetic "sinner", repenting to me. She sounds like she won yet another high ranking official over who is allowing her a "Get out of Jail Free" card. Not to mention that she's still part of a criminal organisation. And that even she has said her ideals and goals haven't changed.
But hey, you Amarr sort that one out yourselves. I'm sure if you all stuck your heads together you'd manage just for once growing enough brains to realize what exactly you're doing.
So, post more, Revan and Co. More ! Poooost !
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo
Not to mention that she's still part of a criminal organisation.
Are you accusing Umbra Congregatia and Interstaller Alcohol Conglomerate of criminal activities, as that are the corp and alliance she's a part of this very moment.
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:33:00 -
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Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
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Kyoko Sakoda
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
Pure.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:42:00 -
[28]
My guess is she didn't leave willfully. She was flying under that banner for what, less than a day?
Learn what it means to be Caldari - www.omertasyndicate.com |
Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:42:00 -
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Originally by: Takitoo
Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
Ask her in a private convo?
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.26 17:52:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Ask her in a private convo?
Why would I want to listen to a lie ?
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:35:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 26/08/2006 18:37:52
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Are you accusing Umbra Congregatia and Interstaller Alcohol Conglomerate of criminal activities, as that are the corp and alliance she's a part of this very moment.
I'm sure that with a name like that they're committing at least one crime somewhere in the galaxy.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.26 18:53:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Takitoo
Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
Ask her in a private convo?
1)I do not answer private convos from unknown pilots, so wouldn't work.
2)The sanctuary offered during my transition was welcome and the time enough for me to attend an important business. This done, I offer my thanks to the club and to Umbra my new home.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 19:02:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Takitoo
Oh hey ! She swapped again ! I wonder why she left GHSC.
Ask her in a private convo?
1)I do not answer private convos from unknown pilots, so wouldn't work.
2)The sanctuary offered during my transition was welcome and the time enough for me to attend an important business. This done, I offer my thanks to the club and to Umbra my new home.
For someone who is seeking forgiveness from the Order of Saint Tetrimon, that really is an odd choice of home.
I'd be surprised if Grand Master Horm has forgotten the role that Tyrrax Thorrk, your new corpmate, played in the assassination of his predecessor.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Gazon
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.26 19:20:00 -
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This whole affair is a disgusting farce. Let her redeem herself in the eyes of the Order of St. Tetrimon, it does not matter. God is all-seeing and thus the petty scheming we are witnessing is of no consequence. The day she stands before HIM she will come to see that all her actions in life since the day she strayed from the path of righteousness were useless.
I seriously doubt that GOD is very forgiving with many-tongued, opportunistic snakes.
Now recruiting! |
Archbishop
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.26 20:28:00 -
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Matters of the Tetrimon matter not to PIE as we are not followers of their faith. What PIE does care about is the truth and obeying the word of God. The holy scriptures are final in this regard and lay out the true "test" of faith.
"'Which test reveals more of the soul - the test that a man will take to prove his faith. or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure, The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice.'
-Book of Missions, 5:14, The Scriptures
I would ask the Grand Master Horm how this scripture verse above is accounted for in this offer of pardon to this party? Or do you acknowledge your "pardon" is merely from the Tetrimon and in no way represents anything from the Amarrian Empire? I am perhaps most concerned Revan has not been required to denounce "Dark Seraph Gods".
Treason..... heresy...... murder........ Crimes against all Amarrians.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
That seems to indicate an inability to truly receive "redemption". While a leader of a religious faction may grant a heretic redemption and reprieval the fact remains in the Amarrian Empire with Amarrian Law and Amarrian Scriptures only God or his advocate a legal Emperor may grant such a pardon. A sideroom deal by a corrupt official or laundry list of demands by a faction religious icon matter not in the face of Gods true words.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
Now as a man of God I see only someone who has harmed our Holy Empire. I do not yet see the face of redemption or the soul of the repentent. I see opportunistic desires for self above all first and foremost. I see one who has caused great harm and suffering to loyalists of Amarr offered what amounts to nothing in reality as the Grand Master has no authority in the Empire itself.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
While the accused may receive a pardon from the Tetrimon religious order it matters little to the Amarrian Empire. Our Empire is ruled by laws and scriptures and here it is clear. While a person may seek redemption through deeds be it known that the Empire under God recognizes only He or an Emperor can grant this.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
In this time of tribulation and trial I believe God is testing all of us. Even Revan Nefaris is being tested but a different kind of test. Her test is actually quite simple compared to ours. She is being asked to do certain things by the Grand Master to redeem herself and receive a pardon. Like a robot she can go through these steps and complete all of them quite easily.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
Yet the real test is in her heart. There is much more that must be done to receive forgiveness from those harmed by her actions. Much more than money and slaves and property could ever pay for. Much more than an apology will atone for. Those things can not be listed yet in the heart of someone truly seeking forgiveness those things will be clear. Will Revan Nefaris recognize those acts of atonement in herself and perform them? If so there is hope. If not it is clear she is going through the motions.
"The gates of paradise will open for you one time only"
The gates of paradise will open for you one time only.......... Final words from God and final words from our Empire. While this pardon from the Tetrimon faith may ease her mind personally be it known she has knocked once already at the door of the almighty. The door was opened for her and she stepped inside. She then made the choice to walk out the door and turn her back on God.
...woe to the soul who dares to knock twice
Archbishop
PIE Priest
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Nikolai Nuvolari
Caldari
Gilead's Bullet
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.26 21:13:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I hereby tender mu apologies to the innocent corporations who feels themselves injured during the wars.
On behalf of Gilead's Bullet corporation, I accept your apology for cluttering my personal stomping grounds, also known as Galnet, with all this nonsense about your petty "wars".
No compensation is necessary.
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Nik = win. Period.
Mebrithiel Ju'wien > Nik's bio 4tw btw
Graelyn > Nikolai for Dev 108!
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Arderich
Bruderschaft des Wahrhaftigen
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Posted - 2006.08.26 22:49:00 -
[37]
I was not involved in the VF wars. The reason why I am talking here is because I dislike the incompetence of Grandmaster Horm. It seems Tyrrax Thorrk, the new corp member of Revan Neferris, accomplished an unfortunate effective job against Tetrimon by killing Grandmaster Elata Ardo. Tetrimon under Grandmaster Horm is nothing but a sad joke.
I will watch this thread closely. I will watch how serious Grandmaster Horm takes his very own words.
Originally by: Grandmaster Horm
You will make damage reparations to those faithful corporations you've harmed. Part of redemption is undoing the damage you've done. You told me of your wealth, and now it is time for this wealth to be used to rebuild the assets of those whom it has been used to destroy.
I know about this numbers and will take this damage done by a small hired merc force as a first indicator. I don't know how damage the rest of VF has done.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.26 23:15:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Horm, you are a fool. You're action, if done by the State, would be on par with the SEP pardoning a high-ranking officer of the Guristas.
High-ranking officer of the guristas. I'm impressed.
Don't be, the Guristas are the biggest joke to ever attack the State.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:15:00 -
[39]
We should not be condemning the Grand Master for offering a foolish woman a chance at a pardon. As the Grand Master said, even a pardon would just be that: a pardon. It is not a proclamation of trust in Revan, nor is it giving justification for the actions she started.
However, I am sure once the Grand Master finishes laughing heartily at the "efforts" made by Revan, he will condemn her for the mockery she has made of a man's good will and wish to have all under God.
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Graelyn
Amarr
The Aeternus Crusade
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:32:00 -
[40]
Stand by for an announcement from the Order reguarding this.
Minister of Foreign Affairs - Aegis Militia
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Hitomi Ayame
Amarr
Royal Knights of Khanid
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Posted - 2006.08.27 00:36:00 -
[41]
I must say, I agree with Golan Trevize. Though I am not fully aware of his past history, or his reasons for leaving the Empire, his words seem refreshingly blunt and truthful. In the Kingdom, such a woman would be hanged for her crimes, if she were not burned at the stake for her heresies, or disemboweled for her dishoner.
See how, even now, she mocks those she should be begging for forgiveness.
If this is what the Order of St.Tetrimon has come to, I am glad you have returned to the Empire. The Khanid Kingdom has no place for such ignoble and ungodly actions.
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The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
Step up and serve God and Khanid today!
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Ruah Piskonit
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:44:00 -
[42]
Just because some self-proclaimed Grand Master has decided to pardon a woman who is guilty of so many crimes does not abolish her sins. A true pardon, if any could be given, must come from the Emperor himself. Seeing that we are lacking that particular figure at the moment, and we are no closer to having a new head of state elected - I see no reason to forgive or forget the long list of crimes committed against the Empire and her subjects. What the Order does is their own business, but let me be the first to remind you that you are guests and have no right to decide on the fate of anyoneÆs souls let alone one as tarnished as this one. If this woman were to face trial before the theology council û then I would accept their decision. But the Order has neither jurisdiction nor authority to dispense pardons on behalf of the Empire under any circumstance.
Another page turns but the chapter has not ended by any means.
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:50:00 -
[43]
Edited by: Darth Revanant on 27/08/2006 01:55:05
Grand Master Horm, I have been a supporter of yours and your Order for years. The fact that you even offered your (not the Empire's, and not God's) redemption is a slap in the face to all those loyal to the Empire who have fought and sacrificed to keep things like what this witch tried to do from happening, including me. To even think that such a vile creature could ever hold true to anything that spews forth from her mouth is foolish in the extreme. I'd like to think you're not a fool.
She claims to want to work toward redemption and the most important conditions you give her are to apologize and make reparations. Look at her response. Her apology is one unspecific sentence directed to no one. After witnessing the sheer ubelievably stunning amount of verbal diarrhea that spews from the gape of this witch's mouth, I, and everyone else I should hope, expect an apology much grander in scope, specific in address, and perhaps containing a shred of sincerity might help. The first part of apologizing is admiting what one did wrong in the first place. That might be a good place to start.
Then there's this matter of reparations. This woman and her actions caused tens of billions of ISK in damages (not to mention the damages which can't be measured) to hundreds of pilots which she and her compatriots spent billions to acheive. You know better than I of her personal fortune. And what does she offer as reparations? Ten thousand elite slaves. A mere sixty million ISK in assets which would not only put a financial and logistical burden on their owners, but considering their source, would be a huge liability. If any of those slaves were to go anywhere near anything that could be destroyed, sabotaged, bugged, poisoned, stolen, or otherwise tampered with, you can bet they'd have instructions to do so.
I'm not even going to go into the lack of respect and the disdain she shows for her betters accompanying this so-called 'apology'. It's fairly self-evident for you to read here and she can't help herself from doing it because she doesn't mean a word of her apology or give a damn about making any reparations. Her first act after contacting you about forgiveness is to join the most infamous criminal organization in the cluster. Great start, wouldn't you say Grand Master? The Guiding Hand quickly let her go for whatever reason, so her next brilliant decision was to join an organization called the Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate. Sounds like the epitome of amarrian virtue and redemption. The specific corporation just so happens to contain the murderer of Grand Master Ardo, excuse me, Saint Ardo. Another great choice for one asking the Order of St. Tetrimon for forgiveness. Don't tell me you're blind Grand Master Horm.
You're very close to alienating all those who have and will support you Grand Master. From where you sit, you need the help of the people.
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Sieesa
Amarr
Liberated
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:54:00 -
[44]
Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. The fate of the previous grand master should have been an indication that they were "not wanted" within the Empire. They have taken too many liberties since the Theology council lifted the exile proclomation, I have seen them take these liberties, they have not been recognized as an official arm of the Amarrian Religion....please, please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space.
Sieesa Morgan
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Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.27 01:56:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Sieesa
Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. The fate of the previous grand master should have been an indication that they were "not wanted" within the Empire. They have taken too many liberties since the Theology council lifted the exile proclomation, I have seen them take these liberties, they have not been recognized as an official arm of the Amarrian Religion....please, please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space.
Sieesa Morgan
Darth shakes his head
And you were doing so well...
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Sidyous
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.27 02:29:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Sidyous on 27/08/2006 02:32:09
Good day all,
As chosen representative of the CVA I would like to state the following. We will not be taking up any offers from Revan, what she has offered so far is nothing in comparison to the attempts to destroy an alliance loyal to the Empire. I should point out that we are not after an isk payment either, even though losses were infliced on us the financial effect was minimal, the war was futile and was more useful for pilot training than anything else. Furthermore this is merely a pardon from the Order of St Tetrimon, not the Theology council. We recognise one ruling body within the Empire at the moment in the absence of an Emperor and that is certainly not the Order of St Tetrimon.
Until such time as we receive word from those who truly matter, we will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol. No Verisum Family members or any of the Mercenaries they used will be welcome in CVA space or anywhere we patrol, they have proven themselves to be against what we stand for and Revan is the only one even attempting to apease us (and a dismal attempt it is).
Regards
Lord Sidyous
CEO Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 10:37:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Sidyous
Good day all,
As chosen representative of the CVA I would like to state the following. We will not be taking up any offers from Revan. We recognise one ruling body within the Empire at the moment in the absence of an Emperor and that is certainly not the Order of St Tetrimon.
Either way. my demand is met. I will return the elite slaves to their normal duties (reforming Neferis Estates gardens) And CVA prisoners of war will be given to my husband, returning to possession of Verisum where they originally were.
Originally by: Sidyous
We will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol.
I have never asked anything related to change standings with you. Neither spoke in the name of Verisum Family, which only my husband and the First Governor Verjigorm has the right to do it. I'm a member of Umbra and if we are kos at least your words will prove me right when shooting what Umbra call "blue" targets.
thanks for letting this clear.
Originally by: Sieesa
Revan, this...man, Horm, is a worthless entity to seek forgiveness from, please reconsider his words, they are beneath you. The Tetrimon Order have brought us nothing but conflict since their appearance so long ago. Please reconsider his words.
As for the plot that has been rumoured....Horm, I hope that you and your "cult" meet the same fate as your predecessor....A cold grave in the endlessness of space.
Sieesa Morgan
Lady Morgan, I understand your distress. Let me assure you, that what is happening now between Horm and I is an approach from both sides. He does not trust me more than I trust him at this moment. We have had a long history of stress. Will he break his word and deny what he promissed? I don't think he would have come this far if this was his intention. The public opinion matters little in this particular dealing. There has been negociations between Horm and I. we know what we request from each other. Give proper time.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Sidyous
Amarr
Auctoritan Syndicate
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.27 11:13:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Sidyous on 27/08/2006 11:13:42
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Sidyous
We will continue to have Revan and her cronies as Kill On Sight in any area that we patrol.
I have never asked anything related to change standings with you. Neither spoke in the name of Verisum Family, which only my husband and the First Governor Verjigorm has the right to do it. I'm a member of Umbra and if we are kos at least your words will prove me right when shooting what Umbra call "blue" targets.
thanks for letting this clear.
Sorry perhaps I did not make myself clear enough, by cronies I mean VF and its mercenary pals. The only person in IAC we will shoot is you, unless hostilities are opened up by the rest of IAC or more of your family join (in which them and you alone will be kill on sight noone else in IAC) then it is you alone who will be shot at. We have discussed this with your betters through the appropriate channels.
Regards
Lord Sidyous
CEO Auctoritan Syndicate
CVA
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Agmamenon Exinferis
Caldari
Polaris Project
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Posted - 2006.08.27 12:45:00 -
[49]
Whatever damages done to Polaris Project in Revan's crusade against CVA and other loyal Empire citizens (and hence us, as we are fierce supporters of CVA's sovereign space) we shall relinquish to CVA, as they stood and defended us locals to the area. We stand by CVA now, and have always done, it is only fair they make the decisions in this matter, as it has a broader political aspects than we can fairly assume part in.
-Agmamenon Exinferis, for the Polaris Project-
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Habraka
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.27 12:55:00 -
[50]
Originally by: Sidyous
...or more of your family join...
I don't think anyone from VF is abandoning the alliance to follow Revan, afterall the request for Revan to leave was made by one of our enemies. We have better things to do then to listen to the insane demands of a retarded self-proclaimed priest of a heretic 'religious' order. Yes, I'm referring to Grand Master Horm.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 13:51:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Sidyous
Sorry perhaps I did not make myself clear enough, by cronies I mean VF and its mercenary pals. The only person in IAC we will shoot is you, unless hostilities are opened up by the rest of IAC or more of your family join (in which them and you alone will be kill on sight noone else in IAC) then it is you alone who will be shot at. We have discussed this with your betters through the appropriate channels.
Regards
Lord Sidyous
CEO Auctoritan Syndicate
CVA
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases. This will, in no way, affect the diplomatic agreements. It is good that we have this clarified from both sides.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:04:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases.
You will be engaging the CVA? Interesting choice of words considering the first of Grandmaster Horm's demands:
Originally by: Grandmaster Horm
Cease and desist all wars and hostilities with corporations loyal to the Amarr Empire.
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Aodha Khan
Minmatar
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:28:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Aodha Khan on 27/08/2006 15:31:34
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I also have communicated Umbra that I will be engaging CVA and company under personal bases.
You will be engaging the CVA? Interesting choice of words considering the first of Grandmaster Horm's demands:
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation. 
So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong and to strike at what is weak.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 15:33:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Aodha Khan
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation.
I think that the context was clear.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 16:23:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Aodha Khan
'engaging' doesn't necessarily mean conflict and hostility. Could also mean engaging in conversation.
I think that the context was clear.
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 16:41:00 -
[56]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Garden boy? Was that supposed to be some sort of insult? I suppose it couldn't have been, as you're meant to be avoiding that sort of behaviour these days.
Nobody said that you had to make yourself an open target.
I suggest that you can defend yourself just fine by staying away from CVA space.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:12:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Revan Neferis
Don't be naive or pretend you are a king garden boy. CVA has me as kos. My dealings with tetrimon does not include serving myself as an open target unable of defence. we are hostile to each other. end of story.
Garden boy? Was that supposed to be some sort of insult? I suppose it couldn't have been, as you're meant to be avoiding that sort of behaviour these days.
Nobody said that you had to make yourself an open target.
I suggest that you can defend yourself just fine by staying away from CVA space.
Your suggestion is valid and I particulary have nothing to do on CVA space. As supposed to avoid this and that, I've been asked to avoid many things from Horm and all so far in vain.
He broke my homeand my husband is suffering immensily. I have complied to all requests. It is time to see if Horm will comply to his side.
I've been pressed to take a decision soon. There are more things that waits action other than this pardon.
The time for hesitation is over from both sides.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 17:30:00 -
[58]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
I have complied to all requests.
That is not for you to decide.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:12:00 -
[59]
Divine Bovine ! I take that back.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:20:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Takitoo
I can't wait to see if he'll post here again, probably defending her or something.
Wrong! The Grand Master has proven he is not a fool, merely a compassionate and respectable man. He gave Revan a chance and she blew it. Now it is her soul she has to make peace with, not anyone else.
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:23:00 -
[61]
You know, Yo****o, if you Amarr keep up this stance, you might even go places one of these days. *grins*
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:38:00 -
[62]
Whilst I am not one of his supporters, I would nonetheless like to commend Grand Master Horm for his stance in this matter.
Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori |
Darth Revanant
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.27 18:55:00 -
[63]
Well done Grand Master. You've restored a bit of my faith in you. Now I hope the rest of the cluster can get on without this woman's insane rantings. May she fade into obscurity and the world of jokes she is the subject of. Of course, I predict it won't be more than four days before she tells us all of the next grand scheme that is so intricate none of us can see that it's failure is a part of its plan.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:04:00 -
[64]
Originally by: Grand Master Horm
Well Revan,
You've completed all the conditions. I'm impressed, or at least I would be if you actually followed through in the spirit of them. The way in which you have met these demands is simply unacceptable, you feel nothing and it truly does show. There is clearly nothing left in your body but heresy, damnation, and lies. None of which I am going to pardon.
I'll also not Pardon someone whom is clearly consorting with the former murderer of Saint Elata Ardo. I have noticed that you have decided to share an organization with this infidel. A shame, a sad shame.
You shouldn't even worry about a pardon, Revan. The real punishment will arrive not by my charges, or by lasers, it will arrive by God and you can only sneak your way out of his judgment so many times. Eventually time will catch up with you and I am sure your soul will suffer in the most horrible ways.
Revan, the option of a Pardon is forever gone to you. You have squandered this one chance to obtain it. It could have been a chance to start your way to becoming right with god, and instead you have thrown it all away. As an amarrian by birth you are privilege to start life in God's good grace. You have forsaken that privilege, the Scriptures say you can knock once, and you have squandered this chance as well, much to my disappointment. Nobody knocks twice, Revan. You are condemned to burn in the pits of damnation and heresy.
Furthermore, I am excommunicating you from the Tetrimon public channel, along with the entire Versium Family whom have seen fit to declare war over this incident. They too shall burn.
I truly hope you are happy with the outcome that your actions have wrought.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
How did I know that this would happen? You have met all conditions, but unacceptable.
Let me tell you what: You prevented my 7 month party at Dark Seraph. that's unacceptable. But now I can reunite with my husband and the ones I love and "wow" with a free war dec against you? Not bad at all.
Some say that the Empire comes before God. Serve the Empire and you will serve God. I hereby accept this offer Openly, to the one who knows how to read it.
The Empire does not demand actions just for its own propaganda. This was all a show you produced for yourself Horm. Sieesa Morgan was correct.
I did not gain a pardon from a betrayer, which is you. Maybe it was not meant to be, so I could gain much more from other sides and still be happy within my family.
If I am happy with this outcome? perhaps happier than you could imagine. But you are dead, one way or another.
The flames of hell will keep us all warm. I will meet you there very soon.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Leon 026
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:14:00 -
[65]
Edited by: Leon 026 on 27/08/2006 19:15:06
And the grandmaster says:
"You did everything I asked but I lied, haha sucks to be you"
I didnt know all these holy old men were also liars. Goes to show how much they believe in their faith I guess. So much for being holy.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:18:00 -
[66]
Actually, she didn't do everything he required her to do. She 'left' her family yet several times made it quite clear she had never severed ties.
Her payments for her actions against the loyal Amarr groups were nothing short of a joke.
Maybe some bad blood has dulled your senses Leon. While Horm chose poorly with his words, Revan didn't even come close to meeting his demands.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:20:00 -
[67]
Leon, why am I not surprised you know little about what is called the "spirit of the law"? The Grand Master asked Revan to build him a house in good faith. She built a house alright, but its roof was made of paper, its walls of cardboard, and there was an angry tiger inside trained to attack anyone wearing robes.
I'd put it in terms a Blooder would understand, but I thankfully am ignorant of the intricacies of your depraved ways.
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Astarte Nosferatu
House Nosferatu
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:21:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Actually, she didn't do everything he required her to do. She 'left' her family yet several times made it quite clear she had never severed ties.
Her payments for her actions against the loyal Amarr groups were nothing short of a joke.
Maybe some bad blood has dulled your senses Leon. While Horm chose poorly with his words, Revan didn't even come close to meeting his demands.
If Horm doesn't specify his demands, like putting a number on the payments, how is Lady Neferis supposed to know what is expected of her?
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Kimotoro Directive
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:24:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Malthros Zenobia
Actually, she didn't do everything he required her to do. She 'left' her family yet several times made it quite clear she had never severed ties.
Her payments for her actions against the loyal Amarr groups were nothing short of a joke.
Maybe some bad blood has dulled your senses Leon. While Horm chose poorly with his words, Revan didn't even come close to meeting his demands.
If Horm doesn't specify his demands, like putting a number on the payments, how is Lady Neferis supposed to know what is expected of her?
I think severing all ties with VF is pretty cut and dry.
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:27:00 -
[70]
She also knows how much damage, in ISK, was caused to CVA, AM, and PIE. Her mercenaries kept very good records. That would have been a good place to start.
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Chancellor Valerius
Amarr
Servants of St. Tetrimon
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:27:00 -
[71]
The Betrayer Revan has earned the judgement of the Great Grand Master. The Tetrimon are saved from this traitor to Tetrimon and her evil forked tounge. Her lies and sneaking around like a common criminal have only heightend the distrust all have for her. Her crimes are well known and now defrocked she seems to relish returning to her husband and her stableboy Habraka. She lives in darkness and obeys gods of dark seraph. She sins over and over. Thank you Great Grand Master for seeing through this womans treachery and holding the truth for all to see.
Chancellor Valerius
Servants of St. Tetrimon
Only the pure of faith will find God
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:30:00 -
[72]
Edited by: Revan Neferis on 27/08/2006 19:35:15
Originally by: Grand Master Horm
Well Revan,
You've completed all the conditions. I'm impressed, or at least I would be if you actually followed through in the spirit of them.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
He clearly stated I have completed ALL the conditions.
No words here will veil this.
He has betrayed my good will, as he was expected to do. Tetrimon is searching " desperatelly" for some public show. Horm got it. More than that, he wanted a sip of my wallet. when I refused, the show changed.
But there is more to come.
Now cast in the flame of hell I can make it a thousand times worse. I'm going home and with my fortune intact.
Horm... you are as fitting to hell as I am.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:32:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
If Horm doesn't specify his demands, like putting a number on the payments, how is Lady Neferis supposed to know what is expected of her?
If one truly seeks forgiveness, then one will know how to go about receiving it.
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Chancellor Valerius
Amarr
Servants of St. Tetrimon
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:44:00 -
[74]
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Now cast in the flame of hell I can make it a thousand times worse. I'm going home.
Home you betrayer to your evil friends and your dark seraph gods. You never intended to fulfill the Great Grand Masters requests with your heart. You feel nothing he is right. You are nothing. A dead body with a dead soul dedicated to dark seraph gods of evil. You betrayer of the forked tounge have been judged and found guilty by the Great Grand Master. When I look at how you attempted to gain his favor then instead betray Tetrimon by joining with criminals and a killer I am sick. You are the betrayer and you always will be. The only hell you have is the one in your mind and heart forever as the betrayer.
Chancellor Valerius
Servants of St. Tetrimon
Only the pure of faith will find God
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Grand Master Horm
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Posted - 2006.08.27 19:55:00 -
[75]
Revan, I think if I had given you a pardon based on the actions you had done, I would have had to go and light the pyre myself and lay on it. Granting you a Pardon for these poorly done deeds would be a heresy in and of itself.
If you believe me to be a betrayer, then why do you ask a Pardon in the first place? I believe this sentence says it all right here:
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so I could gain much more from other sides and still be happy within my family.
Enjoy your heretical union and your solidified place in the burning depths of hell. Do you honestly think that anyone in this galaxy other then God himself can prevent your plummet to the depths of eternal damnation? Just for the sake of doing their dirty laundry?
I am secure in God's judgment of me when the day comes. I hope you can say you feel the same way, Revan.
This I will say on the issue. Conversing with heretics is not exactly the most productive use of my time.
As an aside: The demands were open ended for a reason. The reason was not to give someone an easy way out. The reason was to see if she'd really changed. We now have this answer and this short test proves it.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
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Leon 026
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:23:00 -
[76]
Originally by: Yo****o Sanders
Leon, why am I not surprised you know little about what is called the "spirit of the law"? The Grand Master asked Revan to build him a house in good faith. She built a house alright, but its roof was made of paper, its walls of cardboard, and there was an angry tiger inside trained to attack anyone wearing robes.
I'd put it in terms a Blooder would understand, but I thankfully am ignorant of the intricacies of your depraved ways.
Using your model....
Horm asked for a house. He got the house. Then he complained it wasnt good enough. Did he specify on the quality of the house or how it should have been built? No.
If Horm was in Caldari space opening a business, he'd be tried for breach of contract.
And thats from a supposed 'holy man'. For shame.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr
Umbra Congregatio
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:38:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Grand Master Horm
Revan, I think if I had given you a pardon based on the actions you had done, I would have had to go and light the pyre myself and lay on it. Granting you a Pardon for these poorly done deeds would be a heresy in and of itself.
If you believe me to be a betrayer, then why do you ask a Pardon in the first place? I believe this sentence says it all right here:
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so I could gain much more from other sides and still be happy within my family.
Enjoy your heretical union and your solidified place in the burning depths of hell. Do you honestly think that anyone in this galaxy other then God himself can prevent your plummet to the depths of eternal damnation? Just for the sake of doing their dirty laundry?
I am secure in God's judgment of me when the day comes. I hope you can say you feel the same way, Revan.
This I will say on the issue. Conversing with heretics is not exactly the most productive use of my time.
As an aside: The demands were open ended for a reason. The reason was not to give someone an easy way out. The reason was to see if she'd really changed. We now have this answer and this short test proves it.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
You are nothing but a poor piece of shame covered with lies. I have met your demands, you were weak when facing the public opinion. I knew it would happen therefore I refused to open my wallet to you.
Yes I will enjoy the deephs of hell because I know I will meet you there soon. You are a disgrace to Tetrimon faith and all you did with this show is to prove how you betray your words.
Now go with God but dont expect him to save you. A call for devil would fit you better.
No wonder the Empire want to wash your kind away. Elata was the first. take your ticket to hell, infidel.
my time to address to you is over. next, I will whisper to your frozen body.
Revan Neferis Verisum
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Chancellor Valerius
Amarr
Servants of St. Tetrimon
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:41:00 -
[78]
Tetrimon stands united against the betryaer. The Great Grand Master has spoken and all are united behind him. This simple test as shown how untrustworthy the betrayer has become and proven she is alone. The forked tounge of lies spewed by this woman lay now with the fire of god burned into it from the justice of the Great Grand Master. She can go back to her family of ingrates and scum. She was never one of the faithful it was all an act.
Chancellor Valerius
Servants of St. Tetrimon
Only the pure of faith will find God
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Chancellor Valerius
Amarr
Servants of St. Tetrimon
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:46:00 -
[79]
Quote:
You are nothing but a poor piece of shame covered with lies. I have met your demands, you were weak when facing the public opinion. I knew it would happen therefore I refused to open my wallet to you.
Yes I will enjoy the deephs of hell because I know I will meet you there soon. You are a disgrace to Tetrimon faith and all you did with this show is to prove how you betray your words.
Now go with God but dont expect him to save you. A call for devil would fit you better.
No wonder the Empire want to wash your kind away. Elata was the first. take your ticket to hell, infidel.
my time to address to you is over. next, I will whisper to your frozen body.
The Great Grand Master offered you a pardon and you failed. You did not repent with your heart and are still full of sin. You have nothing Revan and are alone with sinners and blasphemers. See here how you betray the Grand Master? If you had been pardoned you would sing his praises. Proof this was all an act by you to gain the headlines again. You are nothing but the betrayer and you can not hurt people of faith. The Great Grand Master knows the risks of his position and his heart is true. God will bring him and welcome him when the day comes but you will rot in a sewer of liars filth Revan. You have failed to fool the Great Grand Master and your plan has failed. You are the betrayer and a failure.
Chancellor Valerius
Servants of St. Tetrimon
Only the pure of faith will find God
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Verjigorm
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:50:00 -
[80]
Your tearing Revan Verisum from us and subsequently betraying her is the final nail in your coffin Horm. When we are done you will long for the warm embrace of Hell, yet you will be denied it until every pain that can be felt by man has passed through your body.
We are generations of rage supressed. We are the Dark Seraph and we will not be betrayed by heretics such as you, Horm.
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Takitoo
Ebon Phoenix
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Posted - 2006.08.27 20:51:00 -
[81]
That was all part of her plan, can't you see ?
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Yoshito Sanders
Amarr
Ubiqua Seraph
Aegis Militia
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Posted - 2006.08.27 22:43:00 -
[82]
Originally by: Leon 026
Using your model....
Horm asked for a house. He got the house. Then he complained it wasnt good enough. Did he specify on the quality of the house or how it should have been built? No.
If Horm was in Caldari space opening a business, he'd be tried for breach of contract.
And thats from a supposed 'holy man'. For shame.
I doubt this. Though my understanding of Caldari law is flimsy, I believe Revan would be charged with negligence and shoddy construction. I know you are grasping at straws because you dislike the Tetrimon and their allies, but placing what little reputation you have in the hands of Revan is foolish, even for a Blooder.
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Leon 026
Caldari
Blood Inquisition
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Posted - 2006.08.27 22:46:00 -
[83]
Why would I need to grasp straws when its so obvious that the 'holy man' is not quite so holy as he'd make himself out to be?
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Tigerfish Torpedo
Dark Seraph
Verisum Family
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Posted - 2006.08.27 23:51:00 -
[84]
Can no one see that this was just some big popularity stunt for Horm?
...And you excommunicate all Verisum pilots from Tetrimon? Am I to be concerned or even bothered that your insane ramblings, sir, will not be falling upon my ears?
I'm personally pleased that this worm, Horm, has gone against his word! In betraying the trust of the Lady Neferis, we have recovered that which is more valuable than any god to which you serve.... We once again have our Shiras!
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Koshmarnaya Akula
Kydance Radiant Industries
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Posted - 2006.08.28 00:44:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Takitoo
That was all part of her plan, can't you see ?
*laughing, gleefuly happy laughter.*
Seriously, enough talk about going to hell and killing each other in a forum where Anonymity and Immortality are practicaly the strongest forces at present here.
Were Revan actually to be acountable for anything her mouth would be a lot less rampant.
Even the devil admits faults, that's something even she can't seem to do.
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Ethidium Bromide
ZEALOT WARRIORS AGAINST TERRORISTS
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:36:00 -
[86]
Originally by: Grand Master Horm
Revan, I think if I had given you a pardon based on the actions you had done, I would have had to go and light the pyre myself and lay on it.
Grand Master Horm
Order of St. Tetrimon
i'm sure someone else would have gladly done that for you.
you would do well to think first before you speak or act in the future. blood boils fast in the vacuum of space.
*ethidium bromide mocks a bow with a grin on his face*
Originally by: George Petsch
Nochricht: Dei schwarer StroinlSser trifftn Karli[Baatzis] und ruiniert erm so richtig de Dosn, 1343.7 schhodn, oida.
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Paxtan Staark
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.08.28 08:43:00 -
[87]
And here I thought both CVA and Tetrimon were looking for a united Amarr.
Sad to see the Empire in chaos over something like mad woman crying out like a drama queen. I'd rather watch combat training exercises in Kisogo then looking more at this b-rated stuff.
I hope Amarr will be able to unite soon though in order to make the economy flurish.
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Gazon
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2006.08.28 10:57:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Revan Neferis
You are nothing but a poor piece of shame covered with lies. I have met your demands, you were weak when facing the public opinion. I knew it would happen therefore I refused to open my wallet to you.
Why, but of course you did... *shakes head*
Originally by: Tigerfish Torpedo
I'm personally pleased that this worm, Horm, has gone against his word! In betraying the trust of the Lady Neferis, we have recovered that which is more valuable than any god to which you serve.... We once again have our Shiras!
And much more good she shall do to you and your organization. *Gazon chuckles*
I find it most amusing to what degree Verisum Family is capable of self-delusion. It should be obvious to every single pilot in the cluster that all the asking for pardon and fulfilling of demands were mere lip-service, even to Gallente through their drug induced stupor and to the savage Minmatars. I truly cannot believe it...
Grand Master Horm showed wisdom in denying the pardon he offered. Accusing him now of being betrayal and greed for "a sip of your wallet" is revealing beyond everything. Revealing, foreseeable and - again - amusing.
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Unuthiel
Amarr
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.08.28 16:43:00 -
[89]
Quote:
He clearly stated I have completed ALL the conditions.
You failed to show the most basic requirement for redemption, one which no one should need to state: true repentance.
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Sieesa
Amarr
Liberated
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Posted - 2006.08.28 22:53:00 -
[90]
<laughs herself from her chair....> The Aegis Militia talk about adhering to the "spirit" of a deal...and then complaining because she didn't....<laughs some more> Do you realize that you just painted your face with rose red blush? Who was it that spoke about adhereing to the "spirit" of a NAP just a short while ago....why...I believe it was me...and I paid the price for your "spirit"....<spits>.
<closes her eyes>
Revan....I am sorry that you were betrayed....The Tetrimon have brough our Empire nothing but trouble right from the begining... Why can the rest of the citizens not see that? All of this could have been avoided...all of it...if the "cult" had not been allowed into the Empire in the first place.
I served them for too long under orders, and I regret every moment of it.
Isn't there that "special" place for liars and cheats, something with fire and brimstone...well, Horm, I hope that "you" are happy, for you are sharing whatever fate you pronounce on anyone else.
You and your bastardized cult will get whats coming to them.
Sieesa Morgan.
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