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Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:10:00 - [1] Edited by: Salusa VC on 26/08/2006 13:13:03 Here is one for all the scientists and conspiracists. Linky IMO, I dont see how it could be possible, but what is just as interesting is peoples reactions to it.
Talori'i Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:13:00 - [2] Edited by: Talori''i on 26/08/2006 13:13:53 Unlimited Energy? I don't know anything about that... but I got a bridge in Brooklyn I will sell you. Homer: Lisa in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics! 4 8 15 16 23 42
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 13:44:00 - [3] Old news. As in, 500 years old. No, it doesn't happen --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 14:03:00 - [4] Well, Steorn, the company involved seems to be a one-trick pony. This is their one contribution to the scientific world, and it breaks the laws of physics. Hell of an entry act if you ask me They also claim that they are as confused as everyone else when it comes how in hell it works. Can't say I'm buying it. Still, it would be interesting to see if they go through their plan of getting well reputed scientists involved to back it up, and how that one turns up. Of course, most scientists won't touch anything tagged as perpetual motion with a bargepole, so we'll see.
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Verus Potestas Of course, most scientists won't touch anything tagged as perpetual motion with a bargepole, so we'll see. Probably not, in this case; we already know everything there is to know about how magnets interact with each other, and we KNOW this doesn't happen. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Nir	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:25:00 - [6] I don't buy it either but, hey.. big hoaxes have made people very rich in the past so their motives are pretty clear to me.
Talori'i Gallente University of Caille	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:27:00 - [7] Quote: we already know everything there is to know about how magnets interact with each other We will never know everything there is. We think we know everything there is to know about magnets, but the thing is we have discovered strange stuff before, take it when we super cool some things to get them close to 0 degrees Kelvin. Strange stuff happens, superconductivity and various other things. And there is always someone who comes along and finds a original twist on some idea. Lots of things in life come about because we were looking for something else and end up finding something new. This "unlimited energy" thing though, its probably 99.9% bunk though. 4 8 15 16 23 42
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:28:00 - [8] Originally by: Nir I don't buy it either but, hey.. big hoaxes have made people very rich in the past so their motives are pretty clear to me. They have actively refused any investment, sale of licensing of their technology until it has been publicly verified by scientists. Whatever their plan is, I don't think it's profit.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:34:00 - [9] Originally by: Verus Potestas Whatever their plan is, I don't think it's profit. Attention whoring? --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.26 15:38:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Verus Potestas Whatever their plan is, I don't think it's profit. Attention whoring? Now that I'll go for Out of interest, did you hear about the Verus AIDS vaccine?
RoMUF	Posted - 2006.08.26 19:53:00 - [11] Energy has to come from somewhere.. even if you burn something enery went into makeing the fuel. The law of preservation of energy prevents an infinite energy source. i think
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:30:00 - [12] Originally by: RoMUF Energy has to come from somewhere.. even if you burn something enery went into makeing the fuel. The law of preservation of energy prevents an infinite energy source. i think So far as we know. There's always the possibility that current knowledge will turn out to be wrong, but after three THOUSAND years of playing with magnets, we can be utterly confident that it won't be done this way. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Taaketa Frist The Praxis Initiative Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.08.26 21:57:00 - [13] This is far more interesting since you can go see it with your own eyes -------------- Dang nabit
Sirana Telor	Posted - 2006.08.27 00:45:00 - [14] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr So far as we know. There's always the possibility that current knowledge will turn out to be wrong Actually, if history is any guide, then the current scientific knowledge will most assuredly turn out to be wrong. Each time science assumed it had the answers and a correct view of physics, something came along and showed it was wrong.
Arigato	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:15:00 - [15] Edited by: Arigato on 27/08/2006 01:16:00 Damn alts...
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:18:00 - [16] Originally by: RoMUF Energy has to come from somewhere.. even if you burn something enery went into makeing the fuel. The law of preservation of energy prevents an infinite energy source. i think They did say it broke the laws of physics... Also, something tells me that it's not CREATING energy... it's simply converting it. And, in the conversion... it gets multiplied. That doesn't sound too off the wall to me. We do it with car stereos all the time. Though, to a much lesser extent. --- --- --- --- SobaKai.com
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:26:00 - [17] Originally by: Kurren Also, something tells me that it's not CREATING energy... it's simply converting it. And, in the conversion... it gets multiplied. That doesn't sound too off the wall to me. We do it with car stereos all the time. Though, to a much lesser extent. No, we don't do it with car stereos. A car stereo takes a low power audio-containing power stream and a high-power plain power stream and maps the low-power stream onto the high power stream, amplifying it. Thus, the output is a much-amplified version of the low-power stream. It does not create power at any point: it in fact dissipates it. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Kurren Farscape Mining	Posted - 2006.08.27 01:44:00 - [18] You missed what I said... I said we've been converting energy for a long time. Car stereos are an example. Do I need to break it down any farther, or has it been cleared up? The only difference is car stereos don't output more than they receive. --- --- --- --- My Sig Is Not Too Big...
jarack Energy.	Posted - 2006.08.27 02:22:00 - [19] i read to "irishman" and then closed it
Benglada Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.08.27 03:07:00 - [20] Edited by: Benglada on 27/08/2006 03:07:33 Itll probably de magnetise the middle magnetic, which imo would be pretty cool....I dont know if it would be usefull in anything though. EDIT: Essentially turning the magnet into a battery. --------------------------- Originally by: Arkanor 0.0 is the Final Frontier. Bring money and friends.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.27 03:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Kurren You missed what I said... I said we've been converting energy for a long time. Car stereos are an example. Do I need to break it down any farther, or has it been cleared up? The only difference is car stereos don't output more than they receive. Well that's a big difference. That's like saying "we've been making machines that get within 1 trillionth of absolute zero: why can't we go negative?" or "my car can go very slow: 0 miles per hour! can't it go negative? it isn't much farther! (not referring to going backwards)" or "we can make monitors that use less and less energy, and some that use nearly none: can we make a computer monitor that magically makes energy?" etc --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics Blood of the Innocents	Posted - 2006.08.27 10:10:00 - [22] this isnt the first time ive seen this "story" reported. there are apparently people in america that also claim to have done this task, however they claim they are forced to stay quiet because oil tycoons and various patent holders are a bit griped that if an energy source such as were to exist, it would effectivley mean that they are going to go out of business rather quickly. as much as i doubt theyve built a physics-defying machine capable of ridding the world entirley of oil tycoons and pollution, id like to see it happen.
Dred 'Morte Minmatar Sammael's Legion Arkhangelos Command	Posted - 2006.08.27 11:23:00 - [23] n00b question: What happens to energy that is sucked inside a black hole? Does it get out eventually? I heard it doesn't. Since blackholes eventually cease to exist, doesn't that mean that they permanently destroyed energy? Doesn't that simple fact contradict this physics rule that no energy is created nor lost? Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.27 12:17:00 - [24] Originally by: Dred 'Morte n00b question: What happens to energy that is sucked inside a black hole? Does it get out eventually? I heard it doesn't. Since blackholes eventually cease to exist, doesn't that mean that they permanently destroyed energy? Doesn't that simple fact contradict this physics rule that no energy is created nor lost? Various theories abound on what happens to energy once it's gone into a black hole; Hawking has suggested that it can "evaporate" over time. Since there's no convenient black hole nearby that we can run tests on, it's kinda hard to know for sure. ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Dred 'Morte Minmatar Sammael's Legion Arkhangelos Command	Posted - 2006.08.27 15:43:00 - [25] Suggested? Sorry but I think that theory that no energy is created nor destroyed is bull***. Signature made by Mr Floppykickners*
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.27 15:51:00 - [26] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/08/2006 15:50:58 Originally by: Dred 'Morte n00b question: What happens to energy that is sucked inside a black hole? Does it get out eventually? I heard it doesn't. Since blackholes eventually cease to exist, doesn't that mean that they permanently destroyed energy? Doesn't that simple fact contradict this physics rule that no energy is created nor lost? The black hole gains mass from the energy (E=MC^2). Originally by: Dred 'Morte Suggested? Sorry but I think that theory that no energy is created nor destroyed is bull**. Give me one example of a phenomenon in the entire universe where energy is destroyed. --[23] Member-- Originally by:** DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Saiyar Infinitus Morti	Posted - 2006.08.27 16:09:00 - [27] This is most likely a Viral ad campaign. From what I have been able to find out it is most likely to be for Halo 3. Altho both parties have denied this it is remarkebly similar to the viral campaign for halo 2 which was also denied at the time. The complete lack of info given out by the website and the fact that 5 years ago Streon was a company that advised buisnesses on e-commerce also add weight to the viral ad theory.

Suvetar Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.08.27 16:30:00 - [28] I think the whole concept is quite interesting There's only one thing worse then scientists arguing about stuff that they believe in; and that's programmers arguing about code layout They say they've filed 7 Patents, can anyone find the link ? forum rules \| [email protected] \| Our new Website!

Dred 'Morte Minmatar Sammael's Legion Arkhangelos Command	Posted - 2006.08.27 18:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 27/08/2006 15:50:58 Originally by: Dred 'Morte n00b question: What happens to energy that is sucked inside a black hole? Does it get out eventually? I heard it doesn't. Since blackholes eventually cease to exist, doesn't that mean that they permanently destroyed energy? Doesn't that simple fact contradict this physics rule that no energy is created nor lost? The black hole gains mass from the energy (E=MC^2). Originally by: Dred 'Morte Suggested? Sorry but I think that theory that no energy is created nor destroyed is bull***. Give me one example of a phenomenon in the entire universe where energy is destroyed. I don't need to. I just feel like there are forces in the universe, energies, that are not used. If we use them / exploit them, infinite energy is possible. This "breaktrough", true or fake, is one out of several done in the last 10 or 20 years. Eventually, perhaps by the time we start running out oil and other stuff currently used for energy, one we'll be recognized as "not fake". You'll see! I bet 5mill isk we're going to have free energy in the future. By the time I'm really old, we'll see if I'm right or not... If EVE is still Online by then Signature made by Mr Floppykickners*
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.27 18:48:00 - [30] Originally by: Dred 'Morte I don't need to. I just feel like there are forces in the universe, energies, that are not used. If we use them / exploit them, infinite energy is possible. Ah. So you go by the philosophy of truthiness. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.27 21:47:00 - [31] The Law of Conservation of Energy is possibly the most basic and important law in physics (although given that there are so many which are totally fundamental, justifying one as more important than another is futile). No energy is ever created or destroyed. It only changes form (including to mass and back). No process has ever been observed which can break this, and the very fact of "something from nothing" just seems so ridiculous (at least to me) that it couldn't be possible whatever. Where does the fricking stuff come from? It can't just pop into existence, can it? At least for me, the only problem with this (and the bit which makes my head hurt) is where everything came from in the first place. We have our shiny little big-bang theory, before which there was god-knows-what. However, whatever it was, it seems a fair assumption that stuff was created in the big bang. Stuff showed up, and no-one really knows how, where from or why. I don't like that. As an aside, when something (obviously magenetic) has a force acted on it by a fixed magnet so it goes from stationary to moving, where does the kinetic energy come from? The magnet isn't itself losing energy I'm sure there is a really obvious explanation for this (in fact, if I hadn't just come up with this, and if I'd got any sleep at all last night, I probably would have thought of it by now).
Baldour Ngarr Artemis Rising	Posted - 2006.08.27 21:50:00 - [32] Originally by: Verus Potestas The Law of Conservation of Energy is possibly the most basic and important law in physics (although given that there are so many which are totally fundamental, justifying one as more important than another is futile). No energy is ever created or destroyed. It only changes form (including to mass and back). No process has ever been observed which can break this, and the very fact of "something from nothing" just seems so ridiculous (at least to me) that it couldn't be possible whatever. Where does the fricking stuff come from? It can't just pop into existence, can it? Now look back at an 1900 textbook; Quote: The Law of Conservation of Energy is possibly the most basic and important law in physics. No energy is ever created or destroyed. It only changes form. No process has ever been observed which can break this, and the very fact of "something from nothing" just seems so ridiculous (at least to me) that it couldn't be possible whatever. And less than three years later, a process was observed which DID break this, and the whole thing went down the toilet. It wasn't rescued until Einstein and his ilk worked out what was going on, and they added the proviso "including changing to mass and back." Who knows what provisos we aren't aware of yet? ________________________________________________ "I tried strip mining, but I lost, and it's cold flying around in space naked."
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.27 21:54:00 - [33] A proviso will not make it false. Something from nothing is not going to happen in my opinion. We may discover another form (or forms) of energy, or somewhere else it can be drawn from, but rest assured, it will not be being created or destroyed, just moved around.
Negative Nancy	Posted - 2006.08.27 23:20:00 - [34] Maybe it pulls energy from dark matter ----------------------------------------- Originally by: Chadawahee Originally by: Neprox What is wow? wow is what you say when you start up eve for the first time
Salusa VC TunDraGon	Posted - 2006.08.27 23:32:00 - [35] Denzil would know.
Verus Potestas Caldari Fiat Mort	Posted - 2006.08.27 23:39:00 - [36] Originally by: Negative Nancy Maybe it pulls energy from dark matter That wouldn't be created or destroyed, and dark matter is (at least as far as I know) a theory for matter in space only really. It is dark because it won't reflect EM radiation: if it is to be seen, you must look at the effects it has on other things around it (gravity is the best choice I think, at least in space). The blackness of dark matter is not otherwise noticed because it is against the backdrop of space, which has it's own black motif. If it stable dark matte was present in reasonable quantities on Earth (so it could be drawn on by these magic boxes) it would be easily detectable, either by sensing contact with it, or by the very fact that it doesn't reflect light. Dark matter isn't invisible, it appears black.
Scorpyn Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.08.27 23:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Saiyar This is most likely a Viral ad campaign. From what I have been able to find out it is most likely to be for Halo 3. Altho both parties have denied this it is remarkebly similar to the viral campaign for halo 2 which was also denied at the time. The complete lack of info given out by the website and the fact that 5 years ago Streon was a company that advised buisnesses on e-commerce also add weight to the viral ad theory. Viral marketing was my initial thought aswell. It's probably possible to create something from nothing though. I have an idea for creating a magnet-driven engine actually, but it'd probably not work and I'd need materials that I don't know if they exist in order to build it.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.28 00:08:00 - [38] Imagination is a quality many people completely lack - especially people who claim to know how the world works. Imagination is what brought the idea from the apple to Newton, imagination is what brought DaVinci to draw flying machines, imagination is what spawned Quantum Mechanics. Advances have been made in science for millenia, and every time the 'scientists' thought they knew everything, people like Newton, Einstein, Huygens, Copernicus or Galileo came along. Seriously, is it so hard to believe that we are actually not making as much progress as we think? The way i see it, science will never be complete. We will never be conscious beyond what we can perceive, and this fact alone makes every single current law of physics invalid in the long run. Failing to understand this is failing to make progress. Nothing is set in stone.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.28 00:43:00 - [39] Originally by: Reiisha Advances have been made in science for millenia, and every time the 'scientists' thought they knew everything, people like Newton, Einstein, Huygens, Copernicus or Galileo came along. These scientists did not overturn the ideas of giants: they stood on the shoulders of them. Einstein did not "challenge" much at all: indeed, nearly all of his special theory of relativity was based on previous concept's, such as Lorentz's transformation. The idea that science gets ahead because one man "challenges the authorities" is a myth. --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.28 01:07:00 - [40] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Reiisha Advances have been made in science for millenia, and every time the 'scientists' thought they knew everything, people like Newton, Einstein, Huygens, Copernicus or Galileo came along. These scientists did not overturn the ideas of giants: they stood on the shoulders of them. Einstein did not "challenge" much at all: indeed, nearly all of his special theory of relativity was based on previous concept's, such as Lorentz's transformation. The idea that science gets ahead because one man "challenges the authorities" is a myth. The idea that science is a ruleset set in stone is a myth aswell. There are 2 possibilities: Either science does not exist or science is infinitely complex. Whichever you think is right, it means that you shouldn't deny something just because you don't understand it (yet). Maybe my examples were a bit wrong indeed... A better one would be DaVinci, probably, and many philosophers. While i'm busy, i might aswell also say that people should drop "the exception to the rule" paradigma aswell. If a rule has an exception, it's not a rule since the exception proves it's wrong. And there are too many unexplained phenomena to trust science on anything beyond a normal man's understanding.
Mak'shar Karrde Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.08.28 05:19:00 - [41] Quote: And there are too many unexplained phenomena to trust science on anything beyond a normal man's understanding. Scientists may not have all the answers but all their theories/explanations are falsifiable. All of their theories are open to be proven wrong. That can not be said for most of the unscientific 'explanations', that is why Science deserves to be trusted above all. I was kind of toying with the idea of adding an 'IMO' to the above paragraph but I think it's a fact. Prove me wrong, heh. (And I would just like to add my kudos for the use of 'Truthiness' upthread. Kudos).
Wild Rho Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.08.28 10:41:00 - [42] Edited by: Wild Rho on 28/08/2006 10:42:02 Originally by: Reiisha The idea that science is a ruleset set in stone is a myth aswell. There are 2 possibilities: Either science does not exist or science is infinitely complex. Whichever you think is right, it means that you shouldn't deny something just because you don't understand it (yet). Maybe my examples were a bit wrong indeed... A better one would be DaVinci, probably, and many philosophers. While i'm busy, i might aswell also say that people should drop "the exception to the rule" paradigma aswell. If a rule has an exception, it's not a rule since the exception proves it's wrong. And there are too many unexplained phenomena to trust science on anything beyond a normal man's understanding. tbh I'm agreed with Reiisha here. What we currently have are not Rules or Laws but Guides as to how things work in the universe. Currently we have proven them to be extremely reliable but that's all. We don't know nearly enough about the universe yet, we have plenty of theories and evidence but that's all. To simply dismiss somthing out of hand becuase it does not conform to our current guides is the equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming when somone says somthing you don't like, it's just pigheaded and arrogant. Although come to think of it, it would mirror history pretty accurately. This whole thing may turn out to be a fake, it may turn out to be somthing they simply didn't check for. Then again it could very well be somthing new that needs looking into. If it is the real thing then it hasn't broken any laws, all it will have done is provide a new aspect to them and new possibilities. The least people could do is approach it with an open mind. WE ARE DYSLEXIC OF BORG. Refutance is systile. Your ass will be laminated. - Jennie Marlboro
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.28 12:48:00 - [43] Edited by: Reiisha on 28/08/2006 12:49:24 Originally by: Mak'shar Karrde Quote: And there are too many unexplained phenomena to trust science on anything beyond a normal man's understanding. Scientists may not have all the answers but all their theories/explanations are falsifiable. All of their theories are open to be proven wrong. That can not be said for most of the unscientific 'explanations', that is why Science deserves to be trusted above all. I was kind of toying with the idea of adding an 'IMO' to the above paragraph but I think it's a fact. Prove me wrong, heh. (And I would just like to add my kudos for the use of 'Truthiness' upthread. Kudos). You're stuck in the pit that science is stuck in atm... You can't prove anything wrong when you haven't discovered how to do it yet. Untill then, a theory is just a theory, it's a convenience, not a rule of life, as it can be disproven very probably some time in the future. A good example: How can we prove our existence? We can't. Therefor, we assume that we exist. This is a very basic principle on which science is partly based. Don't forget that.
Dred 'Morte Minmatar Sammael's Legion Arkhangelos Command	Posted - 2006.08.28 16:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dred 'Morte I don't need to. I just feel like there are forces in the universe, energies, that are not used. If we use them / exploit them, infinite energy is possible. Ah. So you go by the philosophy of truthiness. I have an open mind. You don't. Simple isn't it? Signature made by Mr Floppykickners
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.08.28 18:26:00 - [45] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/08/2006 18:30:54 Originally by: Dred 'Morte Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dred 'Morte I don't need to. I just feel like there are forces in the universe, energies, that are not used. If we use them / exploit them, infinite energy is possible. Ah. So you go by the philosophy of truthiness. I have an open mind. You don't. Simple isn't it? Having an open mind does not imply that you have to "feel" things to believe them. I believe things because of facts and proof. Show me proof, and I will take your ideas as fact. I don't believe things because I "feel" they are true. For example, George Bush "felt" that there were WMDs in Iraq, and thus invaded. This is known as "truthiness." --[23] Member-- Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when Backdoor Bandit is in local.
Reiisha Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2006.08.28 22:49:00 - [46] Edited by: Reiisha on 28/08/2006 22:51:54 Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 28/08/2006 18:30:54 Originally by: Dred 'Morte Originally by: Dark Shikari Originally by: Dred 'Morte I don't need to. I just feel like there are forces in the universe, energies, that are not used. If we use them / exploit them, infinite energy is possible. Ah. So you go by the philosophy of truthiness. I have an open mind. You don't. Simple isn't it? Having an open mind does not imply that you have to "feel" things to believe them. I believe things because of facts and proof. Show me proof, and I will take your ideas as fact. I don't believe things because I "feel" they are true. For example, George Bush "felt" that there were WMDs in Iraq, and thus invaded. This is known as "truthiness." Prove to me that you exist. I don't see any reliable truth, so therefor i must assume that you don't exist. Facts, evidence and proof are fundamental concepts of science itself, yet they start out with no proof of that they actually exist to prove things with. Even better: You can't prove your own existence. You just 'feel' that you exist - That's what Morte meant, that kind of feeling. I think.
missundermined	Posted - 2006.08.29 02:54:00 - [47] Meh, I keep an open mind. There are things we know nothing about in the universe and they appear to challenge every concept we have of physics. The sun is hotter than any nuclear heart and as yet, nothing has been found that burns as hot. The sun doesn't understand the laws of physics so it carries on burning regardless. Dark matter and all manner of things are still a mystery and can't be understood by physics because they don't abide by it's laws. Tachyons travel faster than light but are they energy or matter? E=MC2 says they cannot exist since C is a constant according to physics. Tachyons don't know that of course. Even the bumblebee can't fly according to physics but the poor thing doesn't know that and goes merrily on his way from one flower to the next oblivious to the laws of physics. A quote from famous poet: "Laws were made to be broken". That applies to physics as well. Having said that, I am skeptical about this infinite energy since you can measure input power and output power but much of it is lost to friction and inertia which isn't being measured. I think if you were to measure those and add them to the equation, it would balance out.
Dr NOe	Posted - 2006.08.29 08:22:00 - [48] Well i called Exxon and the assure me its a fake and a fraud. All the proof i need. BAHHH BAHHHH!
Chloe Timere	Posted - 2006.08.29 14:10:00 - [49] Originally by: jarack i read to "irishman" and then closed it Watch your mouth. I'm Irish.

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