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Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
373
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Posted - 2014.11.11 15:59:00 -
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Hi CCP and all others,
let's face it, drones are currently the OP platform. With modules now available to raise drone damage and ships which put out crazy drone damages even with Warrior II drones, mitigation of drone damage is almost impossible since your frigate is usually melted by drones before you even managed to lock them up and shoot one of them.
So what we really need is a module which provides some kind of defense against drones. Smart Bombs (except for the large ones) are just doing too less damage to them and have too short range and completely suffer from the fact that is is absolutely risky to use them in high-sec. Therefore here is my proposal:
The Anti-Drone Electro Magnetic Pulse Module: - It should take a high slot (but doesn't need to be a missile or gun slot) - Once activated it takes 5 cap per every 5 secs. - As long it is activated it will attack the nearest drone which is targeting you within a range of 5km. - Every attack as the chance of 50% to cause the attached drone to suffer from an electric shock which makes it computer system need to restart. This basically means, the drone stops and is deactivated for 10 seconds until reset-procedure is finished. - Let the module use 20 CPU and 5 Grid.
Numbers etc. are naturally subject to change, but I think such a module would bring back the balance to PVP against drones. Furthermore this would be another useful option for ships with an auxiliary high slot. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6663
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:04:11 -
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just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
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Rovinia
Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE
331
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:10:34 -
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Well, there are allready plenty of weapon systems that you can use to get rid of drones: Rockets, Light missiles, Blasters, Railguns, Autocannons, other Drones, etc. Just lock the drone and start shooting at it. And use a web. Or use smartbombs.
If you want a specialized module, why not just change the useless Defender-Missiles into something like that? |
Phoenix Jones
Isogen 5
839
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:11:07 -
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Called a smart bomb.
Also, actual bombs work too.
Also.. Shooting them.
The issue isn't how to kill them, it's the ships themselves (I'm assuming this is really just a rant on the Ishtar.
Yaay!!!!
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6664
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:12:04 -
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your sig makes me smile
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
13850
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:14:01 -
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Shoot them with your drones
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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
156
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:23:29 -
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you can shoot them and you can kill them with smartbombs. drones are NOT overpowered some ships (read ishtar) MAY make them OP
[u]Carpe noctem[/u]
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Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra
1252
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Posted - 2014.11.11 16:27:51 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill.
Not like you can kill (smartbomb firewall) missiles amiright? Only capital weapon system you can kill too. |
Rayzilla Zaraki
Tandokuno
270
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:03:08 -
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I'm not going to agree or disagree with whether or not drones are over powered.
But, there seems to be a logical gap in the system. If there are modules to jam sensors, why aren't there modules to jam/nerf bandwith? Other than the logical need for a module that buffs bandwidth.
Gate campers are just Carebears with anger issues.
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Sigras
Conglomo
976
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:26:58 -
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the same could be said in reverse... if we can shoot and destroy drones, why cant we shoot and destroy the guns on a ship? |
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
284
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:38:55 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill.
This is a garbage argument, and has been beaten to death.
Please stop posting such drivel.
To the OP, that's not a bad idea for a module, and would certainly make a utility high slot more valuable without being overpowered. Especially with 5 PG.
Yes, drones are OP. Yes, they need a counter. No, shooting drones from a ship that can field 5 flights of drones is not ******* reasonable. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6670
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:39:50 -
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Arronicus wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill. Not like you can kill (smartbomb firewall) missiles amiright? Only capital weapon system you can kill too. true but killing a drone is effectively shooting a turret off the ship, those missiles keep coming.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Phaade
Perimeter Defense Systems Templis CALSF
284
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:42:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Arronicus wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill. Not like you can kill (smartbomb firewall) missiles amiright? Only capital weapon system you can kill too. true but killing a drone is effectively shooting a turret off the ship, those missiles keep coming.
Sure, just let me pop up another 4 or 5 sets of turrets.
If that's the case, please, I beg you, shoot my turrets. You WILL lose the fight. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6671
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:53:33 -
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Phaade wrote:
Sure, just let me pop up another 4 or 5 sets of turrets.
If that's the case, please, I beg you, shoot my turrets. You WILL lose the fight.
Never dont kill the drones on a drone drone boat
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Sigras
Conglomo
977
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:17:46 -
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Phaade wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill. This is a garbage argument, and has been beaten to death. Please stop posting such drivel. To the OP, that's not a bad idea for a module, and would certainly make a utility high slot more valuable without being overpowered. Especially with 5 PG. Yes, drones are OP. Yes, they need a counter. No, shooting drones from a ship that can field 5 flights of drones is not ******* reasonable. perhaps if you were to provide some logical arguments and evidence instead of just stating your opinion we'd be more inclined to believe you... |
Bullet Therapist
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
174
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:41:49 -
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Shoot then, bomb them, smartbomb them, force the parent ship away from sentries, blow up the parent ship, or out-run them. All of these tactics work. |
Paynus Maiassus
Capital Munitions
165
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:07:39 -
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I would prefer a mechanic that would insert child pornography onto your computer ever time you launch sentry drones. |
Arla Sarain
105
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:16:22 -
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Sigras wrote:Phaade wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:just shoot them ffs, they are literally the only weapon system you can kill. This is a garbage argument, and has been beaten to death. Please stop posting such drivel. To the OP, that's not a bad idea for a module, and would certainly make a utility high slot more valuable without being overpowered. Especially with 5 PG. Yes, drones are OP. Yes, they need a counter. No, shooting drones from a ship that can field 5 flights of drones is not ******* reasonable. perhaps if you were to provide some logical arguments and evidence instead of just stating your opinion we'd be more inclined to believe you... Unbonused hobgoblins have ~700EHP. Slightly under a 1000 when bonused on an Algos or Tristan. Worms light drones all have somewhere near 4000 HP and Hornet II on a worm get 30HP/s. All that when orbiting at a perfect 600m/s+ at 1k orbit, with 25m sig radius, which is like a shield tanked Merlin orbiting at 960m/s (sig radius makes you artificially faster, and it's an absolute value, not a vector)
A flight of lights with max skills and no Damage Amps do around 100DPS, 400 alpha, roughly 200 volley after resists.
Fastest firing small turrets are overheated Electron Blasters and a set of 3 of them on a 25% dmg hull will do around 100DPS and 100 volley.
This results in the following:
6-7 seconds to kill 1 drone out of 5, assuming no misses (25m sig). Within those the drones will do 2 volleys. Every 6-7 seconds a drone goes down, and the volley damage drops.
The 5 drones will deal 2000 raw damage before you take ALL down and roughly 1000 after resists, even if you take them down 1 by 1. There is likely another flight. You need to deal 3500 dmg after resists to take them all out.
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
21
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:28:27 -
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Drones were nerfed when Drone Interfacing had its bonus halved, from 20% to 10%. There is no need to nerf them further. Some ships give good drone bonuses and maybe that needs to be looked at. However, as has been pointed out: drones can be shot, disarming the parent ship, which can't be done on any other weapon systemm.
A good suggestion was to propogate to the drones any ewar affecting the parent ship. That would bring them into line with turrets at least, though no-one is whining about missiles. |
Arla Sarain
105
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:37:39 -
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Ceawlin Cobon-Han wrote:Drones were nerfed when Drone Interfacing had its bonus halved, from 20% to 10%. They were compensated with higher base stats. The purpose of the change was to make the skill less mandatory to have. |
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Jur Tissant
The TERRA Guardians of Serenity
291
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:16:30 -
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Not a terrible idea but it should not be one size fits all. The module should be tiered small/medium/large to correspond to drone sizes, using more capacitor for each level.
But like others have mentioned, the issue is probably more about unbalanced drone boats than unbalanced drones. |
Andrew Indy
Four Pillar Production Headshot Gaming
104
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Posted - 2014.11.12 03:34:32 -
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Based on the specs of that module it would be no better than a smart bomb or shooting drones anyway.
It would take out 5 drones in 25 seconds but only for 10 seconds each so you would have 2.5 effective drones and they could pop and reconnect to drones to counter it anyway. You can't counter dead drones, once they are all dead thats it.
Also the 5km range is not much better than a medium smart bomb and can't effect sentries which is one of the bigger problems. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
69
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Posted - 2014.11.12 05:02:18 -
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Also going to have to lend my NO to this.
Drones are not OP; certain drone boats are in need of a nerf. Don't throw out the baby with the bathwater....
--Gadget |
Jessica Danikov
Clan Shadow Wolf Fatal Ascension
420
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Posted - 2014.11.12 07:02:37 -
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Not that they need a buff, but could have Damps reduce drone control range as well. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
198
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Posted - 2014.11.12 07:44:23 -
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has he not heard of a smart bomb?
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Delt0r Garsk
Shits N Giggles
205
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Posted - 2014.11.12 08:15:17 -
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The thing about smart bombs is that they suck in anything less that a battleship. Also they require a high slot, power grid, cpu and cap. Drones require none of these things.
Autos where nerfed because they don't use cap, and well to "balance" that they need to suck more apparently. But drones that use no power grid, cpu or cap and are quite immune to ewar gets buffs.
Of course this is mostly about the bonuses ships. Well its mostly about Ishtars that have a massive bonus and drone bay. The worm is a bit crazy as well.
Death and Glory!
Well fun is also good.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance
6706
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:30:19 -
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You also have to be fairly stupid to use one in high sec.
"I'm also quite confident that you are laughing
and it's the kind of laugh that gives normal people shivers."
=]I[=
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Bl1SkR1N
Euphoria Released Triumvirate.
49
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:51:21 -
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Anti drone missiles maybe? |
Meditril
T.R.I.A.D Ushra'Khan
373
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Posted - 2014.11.13 10:53:25 -
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Bl1SkR1N wrote:Anti drone missiles maybe?
Missiles would be restricted to missile boats which I wanted to avoid. We have a lot of ships with a "spare" high slot for which I just wanted to give another use while solving the "drone problem" at the same time :-) |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
915
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Posted - 2014.11.13 11:43:53 -
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Which drone problem? |
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