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Mizhara Del'thul Sarz'namarr 41	Posted - 2014.11.11 21:35:32 - [31] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Anslo wrote: Wat. gently It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess. You should look under the veneer once in a while, Little Kin. It's rather amazing what you'll find hiding underneath. If there's ever been anyone in New Eden that are good at making great public faces while leading some... eheh... interesting lives in the shadows, it's the Amarr and Khanid.
Lunarisse Aspenstar Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque 198	Posted - 2014.11.11 21:58:35 - [32] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Anslo wrote: Wat. gently It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess. Respectfully Lieutenant, while I agree that what started this thread was inappropriate and not an Amarr response by either party (which was my initial point) the subsequent shocking, but unproven as so far as I know, allegation that Lady Deritan is secretly a Sani Sabik is a concern which should be investigated by the Theology Council. (I did not mean the kerfluffle at the station in Yulai). It is that part that I think an outsider like Mr. Anslo cannot understand or fully appreciate.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 827	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:02:37 - [33] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Anslo wrote: Wat. gently It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess. You should look under the veneer once in a while, Little Kin. It's rather amazing what you'll find hiding underneath. If there's ever been anyone in New Eden that are good at making great public faces while leading some... eheh... interesting lives in the shadows, it's the Amarr and Khanid. There isn't a great public face being presented here. Internal family affairs should be internal.
Mizhara Del'thul Sarz'namarr 41	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:04:30 - [34] - Quote That much I agree on. Simply had to set a little thing straight, Little Kin.
Anslo Scope Works 21187	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:04:42 - [35] - Quote Theology? What no, I just don't get why this thread is even here or why someone just stabbed themselves like..this...wat. [center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
Deitra Vess Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 74	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:33:15 - [36] - Quote So she had drugs, was secretly was a Sani Sabik and had a minmarar wife? That's a reason to kill yourself? Uh....... That's a horrible dishonor? Aside from bringing said items to a public event, that's hardly anyone's business, nor a reason to draw attention to it.
Mizhara Del'thul Sarz'namarr 41	Posted - 2014.11.11 22:41:11 - [37] - Quote Wrong Sabik. No idea what that kid holds within her besides a foot of steel.
Anja Suorsa Pyre Falcon Defence and Security 296	Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:41 - [38] - Quote Among billions of souls in the cluster, one unknown takes their life in front of an audience. Are we supposed to care?
Shaardis Twin Sun Shipping 14	Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:54 - [39] - Quote Anslo wrote: Theology? What no, I just don't get why this thread is even here or why someone just stabbed themselves like..this...wat. It's something that happens when some people watch too many Caldari holos. They see the swords and for some reason think that it's honorable (I am air quoting that so hard right now.) to stab yourself with them after getting all dramatic in public. A lot of them will say things like, "Ah haffa shamed mah famary," and sound like a Lonetrek Deteis with a stuffy nose and mouth full of cookies. Some egghead Doctor Weeaboo at Poteque discovered it, so now it's called Weeaboo Syndrome. What? I saw it when I was flipping through the channels once. Anyway, stabbing yourself ain't the answer. If you want to go out like a Caldari, drink the tea. At least then you're more carpet-friendly.
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:54 - [40] - Quote well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles.

Pieter Tuulinen Pyre Falcon Defence and Security Imperial Outlaws. 4117	Posted - 2014.11.11 23:51:58 - [41] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well. "You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions." "Only a killer would know that..."
Tyrel Toov Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 50	Posted - 2014.11.12 01:04:53 - [42] - Quote Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well. Damn. And here I hoped that would end it....
Kale Silence Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking 72	Posted - 2014.11.12 01:22:33 - [43] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Pieter Tuulinen wrote: Tyrel Toov wrote: well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well. Damn. And here I hoped that would end it.... Seemed more like a Caldari ritual suicide than anything Amarrian. At least from what I've been able to see. The Khanid are weird. And yea, I've heard that Kim has come back from several instances of being killed. Notice how CONCORD didn't consider the Jaina chick as biomassed? Since she might not actually be dead. "Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care." - Anonymous
Shaardis Twin Sun Shipping 16	Posted - 2014.11.12 01:50:37 - [44] - Quote Kale Silence wrote: Seemed more like a Caldari ritual suicide Careful. You might be at risk of Weeaboo Syndrome like that poor girl was. If you're feeling depressed or have suicidal thoughts, get help. Don't watch holos, and have a cup of tea. Oh! And at least leave a note for the cleaning service if you ever do something like that, so they don't have a heart attack when they find your old pair of shoes laying around. I made that mistake once. The poor serviceman must have been new to the whole thing. He was already scared when he found the medics picking up that old pair of shoes I'd left behind, but I think seeing me walking back from the cloning labs made his heart jump out of his chest. I think I decided to overdose on sleeping pills so I could take a few years off. When you're fif-- thirty, seeing all these younger clones can get to you sometimes. Anyway, I can't be sure. Missing days. Booze. Pills. Big surprise. But I'm going to imagine it was transcendental.
Jvpiter Jovelike 16	Posted - 2014.11.12 03:35:33 - [45] - Quote Jaina Deritan wrote: a text message appears; It Seems this is the only way I can prove I'm remorseful- Jaina Deritan. It then fades into a video Jaina Kneels in the middle of a room, someone is moving away off camera, Jaina has a tant+ì in her hands, she sighs then says GÇ£Mother I'm sorryGÇ¥ before plunging the blade into her chest, she doesn't cry out but its clear shes still alive at the moment the feed cuts out time-stamp 19;13 An immortal, perpetually-cloned entity committing an act of suicide as a gesture of remorse? It would be just as foolish to feel sympathetic towards a snake that sheds its skin. This affair is cheap theater.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1407	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:00:19 - [46] - Quote Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote: Mizhara Del'thul wrote: Closet my firm behind. It's the worst kept secret in New Eden that my dearest estranged wife is a blooder. I wear the marks I do for a reason, until either the mountain crumbles or... well, resolutions are found. Ms. Del-thul, the Holder Ithiria Deritan was married to you? I do not know what I find harder to believe, that a Holder would be married to known terrorist or that she is a closet Sani Sabik. Both are shocking to me - being unfamiliar with House Deritan - but I assume you would not make such an allegation, especially as to marriage if it could not be substantiated. If actually proven, I think perhaps the disowning and self-immolation set forth in this thread has the actors and roles exactly backward. In a more formal sense, has the latter allegation of Lady Deritan being a closet sani sabik been referred to the Theology Council for investigation? Besides of that, both ladies are... well, ladies, thus legally such sort of marriage is prohibited (well, at least in the State, and, I believe in other civilized territories, Federation excluded, of course), as only creatures like her could submit to such sort of unnatural relations. Taking this into account, I strongly recommend to treat words of this Mizhara with a grain of salt, understanding, that many minmatars don't have honor and use lies whenever possible for one reason or another. Besides that, I could send you references where this Mizhara was straightforwardly lying about me. With this, I can suggest replying to this Mizhara with laser beams instead of words, the violence is the only language people like her can understand. And please excuse me for this remark, Lady Aspenstar. But I hope, it will help you.
Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1407	Posted - 2014.11.12 09:04:56 - [47] - Quote Deitra Vess wrote: So she had drugs, was secretly was a Sani Sabik and had a minmarar wife? That's a reason to kill yourself? Uh....... That's a horrible dishonor? Aside from bringing said items to a public event, that's hardly anyone's business, nor a reason to draw attention to it. I don't know about being Sani Sabik and had relations with minmatar, but marriage between same genders is enough dishonor to kill yourself... at least for Caldari. I am sorry, I don't know much about Amarr traditions and customs, but I believe that in this case they would agree with Caldari point of view.
Jvpiter Jovelike 46	Posted - 2014.11.13 00:06:48 - [48] - Quote We have long abandoned the state in affairs of death and destruction. No mortal government has any authority over Capsuleer acts of carnage or destruction. But we submit to these lesser beings to make moral decisions between consenting Capsuleers? The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority.
Mizhara Del'thul Sarz'namarr 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:36:37 - [49] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. Oh I like this guy. There's no shortage of travesties around other than the one he mentioned but I like him.
Jvpiter Jovelike 60	Posted - 2014.11.13 07:52:51 - [50] - Quote Oh? The things I would do to you. These shall be my secret, told not even to you, until the end of the universe consumes me.

Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 837	Posted - 2014.11.13 08:26:35 - [51] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so.
Xindi Kraid Priano Trans-Stellar State Services Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 810	Posted - 2014.11.13 13:29:36 - [52] - Quote Hating a restricted item is not grounds for disowning a child. Your job as a parent is to guide and support them, not abandon them because you haven't done your job of that, and while I can't condone the illegal actions, it doesn't sound all that major of an offense. I could understand if she were a mass murderer or were running a massive drug cartel or something, but this is not nearly as terrible a thing. People screw up all the time and you should make your displeasure known, of course, but deciding your own child is less than a stranger to you is horrible; she should disown YOU if you're going to be such a terrible parent. Tuulinen's tube is probably a better mother than you.
Jvpiter Jovelike 69	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:21:31 - [53] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Jvpiter wrote: The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so. I can kill any number of mortals in the darkness of space with no consequence or punishment. It would be a trivial physical act to do so because no mortal can match my strength or speed. I do not age or die. I can be shot, stabbed, and disintegrated. I will always recover and be reborn. I have hundreds of thoughts, simultaneously. I can completely master any academic subject in a matter of days. I see more currency in a day than a mortal may see in a lifetime. My dear, I have never encountered another classification of lifeform as marvelously engineered and perfect as me. The True Gods have shuttered themselves in their cocoon of dead stars. The Capsuleers are the inheritors of Godhood. No need to be meek. Step out into the light.
Lasairiona Raske Underworld Protection Agency Fatal Ascension 151	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:28:23 - [54] - Quote Ego much?
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 841	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:33:15 - [55] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Jvpiter wrote: The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so. I can kill any number of mortals in the darkness of space with no consequence or punishment. It would be a trivial physical act to do so because no mortal can match my strength or speed. I do not age or die. I can be shot, stabbed, and disintegrated. I will always recover and be reborn. I have hundreds of thoughts, simultaneously. I can completely master any academic subject in a matter of days. I see more currency in a day than a mortal may see in a lifetime. My dear, I have never encountered another classification of lifeform as marvelously engineered and perfect as me. The True Gods have shuttered themselves in their cocoon of dead stars. The Capsuleers are the inheritors of Godhood. No need to be meek. Step out into the light. We are lesser than any human, because for all of those things that you have listed, we are lacking in the area most important: Our souls. You are spiritually bankrupt, and so everything that you claim is for naught. Money and power are mortal things.
Jvpiter Jovelike 70	Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:19 - [56] - Quote What is a soul? If a curious person were to dissect me, while I were yet alive, and they started to remove my organs one by one. One by one. How would they know they've found a soul? Is it a part of my pancreas? My myriad wiring? The electrical impulses governed by my brain?
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 841	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:48 - [57] - Quote It isn't something that would be found in an autopsy. And the secular answer, as I assume that is all that you care for, would be that it is determined by how one conducts themselves in their lives, how one attains fulfillment, higher purpose, and inner peace. Asceticism is a greater path to spiritual fulfillment than the hedonistic lifestyle lead by most capsuleers. Most capsuleers, in fact, by virtue of having all those things you listed, all those worldly mortal pleasures, are more mortal than any baseliner.
Iliyan Vertai 109	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:06:23 - [58] - Quote The term 'god' is a spiritual one. There is nothing about capsuleers that gives us a different spiritual essence than any other human. The best you could do, if aiming for something as banal as godhood, is delude a set of baseliners into worshiping you. But you still wouldn't be a deity. You'd just be a self-absorbed cultist, like everyone else in history that claimed they were gods.
Mizhara Del'thul Sarz'namarr 41	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:30:21 - [59] - Quote I think and a kilometer long vessel makes a turn that would shear a lesser vessel in half. I think and I launch that vessel across a star system. As it lands, I think and 800mm of wrath is delivered upon those that have earned it. I think and my benevolent will reaches through kilometers of space to mend or break that which upon I focus. I think and all that I am vacates my body as I soar through the aether to inhabit another body across the entirety of New Eden. No God has shown itself to have the power, benevolence or malevolence I command with an idle thought. No God has shown the cruelty inflicted upon man by other men. No God has shown the mercy and kindness man can grace upon another. It doesn't matter whether we call ourselves gods, demigods, capsuleers or mere mortals. There's not a single one of us that hasn't vastly surpassed any deity in acts of morality or power the very moment we first undocked. That so many of us seem to forget that and focus on the petty little dramas and squabbles is disappointing, but to be expected. It's hard to shed the trappings of the frail, mortal and powerless thing we once were because that means taking up the responsibility commensurate with our new stature. Much easier to pretend we are less than we are, so we can't be blamed for our lack of action in the face of New Eden's horrors. Don't consider yourselves gods or demigods if you don't want to, but do open your eyes and realize what we are and what we are capable of. You owe it to whatever cause or ideals you profess loyalty to.
Iliyan Vertai 126	Posted - 2014.11.13 15:35:20 - [60] - Quote Mizhara Del'thul wrote: That so many of us seem to forget that and focus on the petty little dramas and squabbles is disappointing, but to be expected. On the contrary, this obsession with measuring your own power is petty, needless, and self-absorbed. It is only when capsuleers get over themselves that they can begin to make authentic contributions to what they are loyal to.



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