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Ithiria Deritan
Shadow State
Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:02:44 -
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Greetings Fellow Capsuleers;
It is with a heavy Heart that I am posting this, but it is something that needs to be done.
The other Day my Daughter Jaina Deritan was caught with certain restricted items in a Concord station's establishment. This establishment belongs to a friend of mine. Due to the Events that followed her being caught and the fact everyone knows I hate Said restricted items. I am announcing this publicly so there can be no confusion.
As of today at 1800 hours Jaina Deritan is hereby stripped of any titles, holdings, and family connections to the Deritan Family. She is hereby Disowned and while I can not legally strip the family name from her, the Deritan family will have nothing to do with her from now on.
Holder and Deritan Matriarch
Ithiria Deritan |
Ava Starfire
Gradient
1615
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:04:42 -
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Sometimes, "sorry" doesnt cut it, yeah.
[i]"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"[/i]
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:08:36 -
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Lady Deritan,
Don't you think it is a bit severe punishment for just restricted items?.. They are just items, after all, and, probably, prayers and physical punishment will take better effect than such...
They were just items, it was just CONCORD station, not Empire or Kingdom one, and she is your daughter...
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Makoto Priano
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
6437
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:11:30 -
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Having no knowledge of what transpired, all I can say is this:
'An individual is above man-made laws until he commits a crime against man-made conventions; After that he is neither above anyone nor lower than anyone.'
Do as you will. Just know that what is done will always reflect on you, for better or worse. Apologies are just breath.
Priano Trans-Stellar: elegant solutions for the State's needs.
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Karynn Denton
Clan Katanga Caravan
303
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:15:22 -
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It's a shame she got caught, otherwise I might have had some use for her.
Poor girl.
Karynn Denton
Caravan Master
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
6
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:31:02 -
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Capsuleers routinely circumvent and steal from the establishment, since the establishment itself holds no meaning. Judge your daughter by standards fit for an immortal.
What are you going to do when she butchers a ship with a thousand souls in it, or burns down a station with cannon fire? |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
49
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Posted - 2014.11.11 18:49:06 -
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harsh deal for a bit of contraban.... |
Jaina Deritan
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:02:18 -
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Capsuleers, I am the daughter in question and its clear my Mother was misinformed. Yes I found a packet in the Ladies toilets, but it was in my procession for less then a hour, I am a member of the military and I authorize anyone to check the test results of all my clones, and they will see that other then the combat enhancing boosters, I have not touched Drugs in over a year.
Yes I should of left them where they was, and yes technically I did take them inside the club and have apologized to the owner for this.
But as people Have said I do not think this is cause for disownement, and Am in conversation with my mother about a alternative. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
8
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:08:53 -
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Combat enhancing boosters in a nightclub? Were you about to run into a hostile flash dance mob?
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Ithiria Deritan
Shadow State
Fatal Ascension
8
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:13:31 -
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That statement Does not help Jaina, nothing in there shows remorse, and since Luna there said other punishment, I was willing to give you the chance to show remorse, you have not. the disownment stands. |
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Jaina Deritan
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:31:29 -
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*a text message appears; It Seems this is the only way I can prove I'm remorseful- Jaina Deritan. It then fades into a video*
Jaina Kneels in the middle of a room, someone is moving away off camera, Jaina has a tant+ì in her hands, she sighs then says GÇ£Mother I'm sorryGÇ¥ before plunging the blade into her chest, she doesn't cry out but its clear shes still alive at the moment the feed cuts out time-stamp 19;13 |
Keta Lindur
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
0
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:35:34 -
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Jvpiter wrote:
Combat enhancing boosters in a nightclub? Were you about to run into a hostile flash dance mob?
The Golden Masque is a restaurant and event hall, not a nightclub, and on the date in question it was hosting a tasting for wines and spirits, at the request of Mrs. Lunarisse Aspenstar-Daphiti.
The Golden Masque is also located a short distance outside of the capsuleer-restricted portions of the CONCORD Bureau station in orbit of Yulai IX, which gives the entirety of station personnel and residents access to it. As such, it is therefore bound by the rules and regulations set forth by the station's owning body before any of its own are applied.
This would include rules against the possession of illegal contraband, including drugs such as Crash, Drop, Mindflood, Nerve Sticks, or X-Instinct, to name a few examples.
Ms. Deritan was noted by security staff monitoring the establishment to be in possession of one of these illicit substances when she attempted to give it to another patron. The proprietor was notified, and security was asked to confiscate the substance to turn it over to station authorities.
A disagreement subsequently occurred, and a third party escalated the situation after the proprietor asked - and then insisted - that Ms. Deritan and the third party (who was attempting to take the credit for bringing the substance into the Masque, as much a violation as Ms. Deritan's subsequent possession of it, if it were true - which security recordings have given no indication to be the case) to leave the premises under their own power or be forcibly removed. Both refused, and the third party attempted to attack the proprietor; the attack was prevented by the Masque's automated security fields, and both Ms. Deritan and the proprietor's attacker were removed.
Both Ms. Deritan and her would-be defender have been blacklisted from entry to the Golden Masque for an indefinite period of time. |
Katrina Oniseki
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
3372
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:37:39 -
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Jaina Deritan wrote:Jaina Kneels in the middle of a room, someone is moving away off camera, Jaina has a tant+ì in her hands, she sighs then says GÇ£Mother I'm sorryGÇ¥ before plunging the blade into her chest, she doesn't cry out but its clear shes still alive at the moment the feed cuts out time-stamp 19;13
Hopefully her pilot's license is revoked, so she doesn't come back in a clone.
Ch+½j+ì Katrina Oniseki
~ (RDC) Chief Operations Officer
~ [I-RED] Director of Internal Affairs
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Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
375
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:40:42 -
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I was going to suggest that all involved are idiots.
Apparently I grossly underestimated.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
165
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:47:22 -
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Lady Deritan and (presumably late) daughter,
Did such business need to be broadcast to the public? I (somewhat) understand the desire to detach oneself from potential detriment to one's house and family by a wayward member of said family, but the conversation should have ceased at that point.
While clearly the Lady Deritan could not control the responses of her daughter to this announcement, the continuation of the conversation in public such is it was, could have been completely avoided.
Far be it from me to state outright that this was a ploy for attention but I have trouble seeing what other purpose this family drama could have served being broadcast in such a manner.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
195
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Posted - 2014.11.11 19:56:26 -
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Such a public airing of internal family grievances, over a petty drug offense is troubling to me. It strikes me as indelicate and unnecessaryly risking the further sullying of the family name. Far better to have the "chat" in private and banish the near-do-well to the shadows rather shine the light of public scrunity on it. Likewise, the act of... I am not sure what the word is... self-immolation is needlessly public.
It is not like this dispute concerns one of the parties being a closet Sani Sabik or Blooder after all. Now that would be cause for severe public disapprobation! |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:08:30 -
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Closet my firm behind. It's the worst kept secret in New Eden that my dearest estranged wife is a blooder. I wear the marks I do for a reason, until either the mountain crumbles or... well, resolutions are found. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
195
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:27:13 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Closet my firm behind. It's the worst kept secret in New Eden that my dearest estranged wife is a blooder. I wear the marks I do for a reason, until either the mountain crumbles or... well, resolutions are found.
Ms. Del-thul, the Holder Ithiria Deritan was married to you? I do not know what I harder to believe, that a Holder would be married to known terrorist or that she is a closet Sani Sabik. Both are shocking to me - being unfamiliar with House Deritan - but I assume you would not make such an allegation, especially as to marriage if it could not be substantiated. If so, I think perhaps the disowning and self-immolation set forth in this thread has the actors and roles exactly backward. In a more formal sense, has this matter been referred to the Theology Council? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:38:08 -
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There's a lot of... convoluted history involved. A few interesting sidesteps on various paths, some interesting discoveries, a few betrayals here and there. None of it really belongs in public, but yes. I do have recordings that substantiates every claim I make. Of course, given the technology available to capsuleers, it's pretty much impossible to prove it isn't forged.
It is, however, more than enough to show that "Holders" are raised no higher than anyone else when it comes to hiding vileness behind public masks. |
Keta Lindur
Tyrathlion Interstellar
Rote Kapelle
1
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:49:54 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Closet my firm behind. It's the worst kept secret in New Eden that my dearest estranged wife is a blooder. I wear the marks I do for a reason, until either the mountain crumbles or... well, resolutions are found. Ms. Del-thul, the Holder Ithiria Deritan was married to you? I do not know what I harder to believe, that a Holder would be married to known terrorist or that she is a closet Sani Sabik. Both are shocking to me - being unfamiliar with House Deritan - but I assume you would not make such an allegation, especially as to marriage if it could not be substantiated. If so, I think perhaps the disowning and self-immolation set forth in this thread has the actors and roles exactly backward. In a more formal sense, has this matter been referred to the Theology Council?
Details surrounding the incident in question were forwarded to (Lady?) Ithiria Deritan in response to her request, made to the proprietor approximately twenty-four hours after the incident. As far as the Golden Masque is concerned, the indefinite barring of entry of both Ms. Jaina Deritan and her intended saviour, was sufficient consequence, and officially we have no further comment or opinion on the matter of her mother's decision to mete out additional consequences or punishments, and consider the matter closed. No further requests were made of us, nor were any additional reports were filed on our part, save the requisite paperwork for turning over the illicit substance to station authorities. Should our records be required for any further investigations on the part of the Theology Council or any other law enforcement entity, we will comply and assist in good faith as required under the law.
We would, however, like to note that any displays of histrionics and their subsequent consequences as pertain to the announcement in the first post of this thread, are neither our responsibility nor our concern. |
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Anslo
Scope Works
21185
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Posted - 2014.11.11 20:50:13 -
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Wat.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Avio Yaken
Scope Works
1515
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:01:16 -
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Jaina Deritan wrote:*a text message appears; It Seems this is the only way I can prove I'm remorseful- Jaina Deritan. It then fades into a video*
Jaina Kneels in the middle of a room, someone is moving away off camera, Jaina has a tant+ì in her hands, she sighs then says GÇ£Mother I'm sorryGÇ¥ before plunging the blade into her chest, she doesn't cry out but its clear shes still alive at the moment the feed cuts out time-stamp 19;13
....Well that waseducational
Remember kids
Don't do Crash
One does not simply, Cope with the scope
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
198
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:04:26 -
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*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21185
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:05:26 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
....wat
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Ava Starfire
Gradient
1617
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:07:43 -
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This.
[i]"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception."
-Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"[/i]
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Kalaratiri
Utopian Research I.E.L.
379
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:08:06 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
No it isn't. It's a ****** thing.
She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.
This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums. -á- CCP Falcon
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Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
1540
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:12:01 -
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I remember when the IGS use to have excellent comedies and romance performances between the bickering. I'm not really a fan of Amarrian tragedies.
Not worth making popcorn for in this case.
When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:12:05 -
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I concur. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
826
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:13:11 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand.
There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess.
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Lasairiona Raske
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
150
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:31:17 -
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There is much more to this than crash possession. Let's just say, it's the thing that tipped the scales. I, for one, am not impressed or forgiving of the actions of this woman who I believe to be an imposter. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:35:32 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess.
You should look under the veneer once in a while, Little Kin. It's rather amazing what you'll find hiding underneath. If there's ever been anyone in New Eden that are good at making great public faces while leading some... eheh... interesting lives in the shadows, it's the Amarr and Khanid. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
198
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Posted - 2014.11.11 21:58:35 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess.
Respectfully Lieutenant, while I agree that what started this thread was inappropriate and not an Amarr response by either party (which was my initial point) the subsequent shocking, but unproven as so far as I know, allegation that Lady Deritan is secretly a Sani Sabik is a concern which should be investigated by the Theology Council. (I did not mean the kerfluffle at the station in Yulai). It is that part that I think an outsider like Mr. Anslo cannot understand or fully appreciate. |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
827
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:02:37 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:*gently* It's an Amarr thing. I wouldn't expect you to understand. There's nothing Amarrian about any part of this mess. You should look under the veneer once in a while, Little Kin. It's rather amazing what you'll find hiding underneath. If there's ever been anyone in New Eden that are good at making great public faces while leading some... eheh... interesting lives in the shadows, it's the Amarr and Khanid.
There isn't a great public face being presented here.
Internal family affairs should be internal. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:04:30 -
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That much I agree on. Simply had to set a little thing straight, Little Kin. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21187
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:04:42 -
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Theology? What no, I just don't get why this thread is even here or why someone just stabbed themselves like..this...wat.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Deitra Vess
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
74
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:33:15 -
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So she had drugs, was secretly was a Sani Sabik and had a minmarar wife? That's a reason to kill yourself? Uh....... That's a horrible dishonor? Aside from bringing said items to a public event, that's hardly anyone's business, nor a reason to draw attention to it. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.11 22:41:11 -
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Wrong Sabik. No idea what that kid holds within her besides a foot of steel. |
Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
296
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Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:41 -
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Among billions of souls in the cluster, one unknown takes their life in front of an audience. Are we supposed to care? |
Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
14
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Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:54 -
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Anslo wrote:Theology? What no, I just don't get why this thread is even here or why someone just stabbed themselves like..this...wat. It's something that happens when some people watch too many Caldari holos. They see the swords and for some reason think that it's honorable (I am air quoting that so hard right now.) to stab yourself with them after getting all dramatic in public. A lot of them will say things like, "Ah haffa shamed mah famary," and sound like a Lonetrek Deteis with a stuffy nose and mouth full of cookies. Some egghead Doctor Weeaboo at Poteque discovered it, so now it's called Weeaboo Syndrome.
What? I saw it when I was flipping through the channels once.
Anyway, stabbing yourself ain't the answer. If you want to go out like a Caldari, drink the tea. At least then you're more carpet-friendly. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.11.11 23:09:54 -
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well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. |
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4117
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Posted - 2014.11.11 23:51:58 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles.
You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork.
The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
50
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:04:53 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well.
Damn. And here I hoped that would end it.... |
Kale Silence
Sebietar Scavenging and Hacking
72
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:22:33 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well. Damn. And here I hoped that would end it....
Seemed more like a Caldari ritual suicide than anything Amarrian. At least from what I've been able to see. The Khanid are weird.
And yea, I've heard that Kim has come back from several instances of being killed. Notice how CONCORD didn't consider the Jaina chick as biomassed? Since she might not actually be dead.
"Love me or hate me, but money don't judge me. I don't care about your opinion, unless you intend to pay me. Then I care."
- Anonymous
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Shaardis
Twin Sun Shipping
16
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Posted - 2014.11.12 01:50:37 -
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Kale Silence wrote:Seemed more like a Caldari ritual suicide Careful. You might be at risk of Weeaboo Syndrome like that poor girl was. If you're feeling depressed or have suicidal thoughts, get help. Don't watch holos, and have a cup of tea.
Oh! And at least leave a note for the cleaning service if you ever do something like that, so they don't have a heart attack when they find your old pair of shoes laying around. I made that mistake once. The poor serviceman must have been new to the whole thing. He was already scared when he found the medics picking up that old pair of shoes I'd left behind, but I think seeing me walking back from the cloning labs made his heart jump out of his chest.
I think I decided to overdose on sleeping pills so I could take a few years off. When you're fif-- thirty, seeing all these younger clones can get to you sometimes. Anyway, I can't be sure. Missing days. Booze. Pills. Big surprise. But I'm going to imagine it was transcendental. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
16
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Posted - 2014.11.12 03:35:33 -
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Jaina Deritan wrote:*a text message appears; It Seems this is the only way I can prove I'm remorseful- Jaina Deritan. It then fades into a video*
Jaina Kneels in the middle of a room, someone is moving away off camera, Jaina has a tant+ì in her hands, she sighs then says GÇ£Mother I'm sorryGÇ¥ before plunging the blade into her chest, she doesn't cry out but its clear shes still alive at the moment the feed cuts out time-stamp 19;13
An immortal, perpetually-cloned entity committing an act of suicide as a gesture of remorse?
It would be just as foolish to feel sympathetic towards a snake that sheds its skin.
This affair is cheap theater. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1407
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:00:19 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Closet my firm behind. It's the worst kept secret in New Eden that my dearest estranged wife is a blooder. I wear the marks I do for a reason, until either the mountain crumbles or... well, resolutions are found. Ms. Del-thul, the Holder Ithiria Deritan was married to you? I do not know what I find harder to believe, that a Holder would be married to known terrorist or that she is a closet Sani Sabik. Both are shocking to me - being unfamiliar with House Deritan - but I assume you would not make such an allegation, especially as to marriage if it could not be substantiated. If actually proven, I think perhaps the disowning and self-immolation set forth in this thread has the actors and roles exactly backward. In a more formal sense, has the latter allegation of Lady Deritan being a closet sani sabik been referred to the Theology Council for investigation?
Besides of that, both ladies are... well, ladies, thus legally such sort of marriage is prohibited (well, at least in the State, and, I believe in other civilized territories, Federation excluded, of course), as only creatures like her could submit to such sort of unnatural relations.
Taking this into account, I strongly recommend to treat words of this Mizhara with a grain of salt, understanding, that many minmatars don't have honor and use lies whenever possible for one reason or another.
Besides that, I could send you references where this Mizhara was straightforwardly lying about me.
With this, I can suggest replying to this Mizhara with laser beams instead of words, the violence is the only language people like her can understand.
And please excuse me for this remark, Lady Aspenstar. But I hope, it will help you. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1407
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Posted - 2014.11.12 09:04:56 -
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Deitra Vess wrote:So she had drugs, was secretly was a Sani Sabik and had a minmarar wife? That's a reason to kill yourself? Uh....... That's a horrible dishonor? Aside from bringing said items to a public event, that's hardly anyone's business, nor a reason to draw attention to it.
I don't know about being Sani Sabik and had relations with minmatar, but marriage between same genders is enough dishonor to kill yourself... at least for Caldari.
I am sorry, I don't know much about Amarr traditions and customs, but I believe that in this case they would agree with Caldari point of view. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
46
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Posted - 2014.11.13 00:06:48 -
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We have long abandoned the state in affairs of death and destruction. No mortal government has any authority over Capsuleer acts of carnage or destruction.
But we submit to these lesser beings to make moral decisions between consenting Capsuleers?
The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:36:37 -
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Jvpiter wrote:The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority.
Oh I like this guy. There's no shortage of travesties around other than the one he mentioned but I like him. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
60
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Posted - 2014.11.13 07:52:51 -
[50] - Quote
Oh?
The things I would do to you. These shall be my secret, told not even to you, until the end of the universe consumes me.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
837
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Posted - 2014.11.13 08:26:35 -
[51] - Quote
Jvpiter wrote:The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority.
We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so. |
Xindi Kraid
Priano Trans-Stellar State Services
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
810
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Posted - 2014.11.13 13:29:36 -
[52] - Quote
Hating a restricted item is not grounds for disowning a child. Your job as a parent is to guide and support them, not abandon them because you haven't done your job of that, and while I can't condone the illegal actions, it doesn't sound all that major of an offense. I could understand if she were a mass murderer or were running a massive drug cartel or something, but this is not nearly as terrible a thing. People screw up all the time and you should make your displeasure known, of course, but deciding your own child is less than a stranger to you is horrible; she should disown YOU if you're going to be such a terrible parent.
Tuulinen's tube is probably a better mother than you. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
69
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:21:31 -
[53] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:Jvpiter wrote:The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so.
I can kill any number of mortals in the darkness of space with no consequence or punishment. It would be a trivial physical act to do so because no mortal can match my strength or speed.
I do not age or die.
I can be shot, stabbed, and disintegrated. I will always recover and be reborn.
I have hundreds of thoughts, simultaneously.
I can completely master any academic subject in a matter of days.
I see more currency in a day than a mortal may see in a lifetime.
My dear, I have never encountered another classification of lifeform as marvelously engineered and perfect as me.
The True Gods have shuttered themselves in their cocoon of dead stars.
The Capsuleers are the inheritors of Godhood.
No need to be meek. Step out into the light.
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Lasairiona Raske
Underworld Protection Agency
Fatal Ascension
151
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:28:23 -
[54] - Quote
Ego much? |
Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
841
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:33:15 -
[55] - Quote
Jvpiter wrote:Samira Kernher wrote:Jvpiter wrote:The only travesty here is the demigod kneeling to mortal authority. We are not demigods no matter how much you might wish it were so. I can kill any number of mortals in the darkness of space with no consequence or punishment. It would be a trivial physical act to do so because no mortal can match my strength or speed. I do not age or die. I can be shot, stabbed, and disintegrated. I will always recover and be reborn. I have hundreds of thoughts, simultaneously. I can completely master any academic subject in a matter of days. I see more currency in a day than a mortal may see in a lifetime. My dear, I have never encountered another classification of lifeform as marvelously engineered and perfect as me. The True Gods have shuttered themselves in their cocoon of dead stars. The Capsuleers are the inheritors of Godhood. No need to be meek. Step out into the light.
We are lesser than any human, because for all of those things that you have listed, we are lacking in the area most important: Our souls.
You are spiritually bankrupt, and so everything that you claim is for naught. Money and power are mortal things. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
70
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Posted - 2014.11.13 14:40:19 -
[56] - Quote
What is a soul?
If a curious person were to dissect me, while I were yet alive, and they started to remove my organs one by one.
One by one.
How would they know they've found a soul?
Is it a part of my pancreas? My myriad wiring? The electrical impulses governed by my brain?
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
841
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:00:48 -
[57] - Quote
It isn't something that would be found in an autopsy. And the secular answer, as I assume that is all that you care for, would be that it is determined by how one conducts themselves in their lives, how one attains fulfillment, higher purpose, and inner peace.
Asceticism is a greater path to spiritual fulfillment than the hedonistic lifestyle lead by most capsuleers. Most capsuleers, in fact, by virtue of having all those things you listed, all those worldly mortal pleasures, are more mortal than any baseliner. |
Iliyan Vertai
109
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:06:23 -
[58] - Quote
The term 'god' is a spiritual one. There is nothing about capsuleers that gives us a different spiritual essence than any other human. The best you could do, if aiming for something as banal as godhood, is delude a set of baseliners into worshiping you. But you still wouldn't be a deity. You'd just be a self-absorbed cultist, like everyone else in history that claimed they were gods. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
41
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:30:21 -
[59] - Quote
I think and a kilometer long vessel makes a turn that would shear a lesser vessel in half. I think and I launch that vessel across a star system. As it lands, I think and 800mm of wrath is delivered upon those that have earned it. I think and my benevolent will reaches through kilometers of space to mend or break that which upon I focus. I think and all that I am vacates my body as I soar through the aether to inhabit another body across the entirety of New Eden.
No God has shown itself to have the power, benevolence or malevolence I command with an idle thought. No God has shown the cruelty inflicted upon man by other men. No God has shown the mercy and kindness man can grace upon another.
It doesn't matter whether we call ourselves gods, demigods, capsuleers or mere mortals. There's not a single one of us that hasn't vastly surpassed any deity in acts of morality or power the very moment we first undocked.
That so many of us seem to forget that and focus on the petty little dramas and squabbles is disappointing, but to be expected. It's hard to shed the trappings of the frail, mortal and powerless thing we once were because that means taking up the responsibility commensurate with our new stature. Much easier to pretend we are less than we are, so we can't be blamed for our lack of action in the face of New Eden's horrors.
Don't consider yourselves gods or demigods if you don't want to, but do open your eyes and realize what we are and what we are capable of. You owe it to whatever cause or ideals you profess loyalty to. |
Iliyan Vertai
126
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:35:20 -
[60] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
That so many of us seem to forget that and focus on the petty little dramas and squabbles is disappointing, but to be expected.
On the contrary, this obsession with measuring your own power is petty, needless, and self-absorbed. It is only when capsuleers get over themselves that they can begin to make authentic contributions to what they are loyal to. |
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:55:56 -
[61] - Quote
Samira Kernher wrote:It isn't something that would be found in an autopsy. And the secular answer, as I assume that is all that you care for, would be that it is determined by how one conducts themselves in their lives, how one attains fulfillment, higher purpose, inner peace. Andesh, as it is called in Matari.
Asceticism is a greater path to spiritual fulfillment than the hedonistic lifestyle lead by most capsuleers. Most capsuleers, in fact, by virtue of having all those things you listed, all those worldly mortal pleasures, are more mortal than any baseliner.
The hedonist claims their nirvana is in the act of sex and their spiral of decadence. As my experience with sexuality is limited, and not of particular interest to me, who am I to argue?
You say I am spiritually bankrupt because I would put entire populations to fire, or demand tribute and worship. You say that the path of charity and the life of a hermit is virtuous. I have no doubt your total conviction in this belief, and who am I to argue?
Capsuleers have no predators in the natural cycle. Capsuleers are not bound by time, death, resources, numbers, or any variables that mortals are imprisoned by. We are only bound by each other.
God is in technology, and technology flows through my veins. A God stirs inside me and animates my bones. Who are you to argue?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4132
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Posted - 2014.11.13 15:57:27 -
[62] - Quote
I choose to suborn myself to an idea, to something greater than a baseliner, greater than a single world, greater than a single capsuleer.
In the name of that idea, I do all that Mizhara reminds us that we can do, and more. In the service of that idea I spend all the resources that Jvpiter mentions, and more. Who is more powerful, me or the idea?
That which makes a human superhuman is not their power, it is how far they are willing to go to transcend the limits of the human. If you are simply a human, with all the human frailties, appetites and fears turned up to eleven, how impressive are you, really?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 16:06:44 -
[63] - Quote
Iliyan Vertai wrote:On the contrary, this obsession with measuring your own power is petty, needless, and self-absorbed. It is only when capsuleers get over themselves that they can begin to make authentic contributions to what they are loyal to.
What you do with your immortal time is your business. If you want to argue parliamentary measures and voting circuits and pension rights for the infirm or the injured, feel free to do so. Don't expect me to take any interest in your rather pedantic and supremely boring hobby.
You want to live like you walk on two legs with a fist-sized brain inside your skull, like the unevolved and near-apelike throngs crowding our planets, do feel free to do so. It is in your power to choose even so banal an existence.
My eyes are wide open, and my ascent is tied to the stars. You may join me at any time. When your vision is clear of the clouds of petty mortal affairs, the beauty of existence alone can bring tears of joy.
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Liam Antolliere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:04:42 -
[64] - Quote
Whom or what we are will be determined by the beholders of our deeds and the inheritors of our legacies.
To assume otherwise is ultimately fallacious.
"Let it never be said that I have not been true to myself and, in so doing, true to those around me."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:20:20 -
[65] - Quote
How does someone inherit anything from someone who lives forever?
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4134
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:24:59 -
[66] - Quote
Jvpiter wrote:
How does someone inherit anything from someone who lives forever?
Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:36:09 -
[67] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community.
Pieter,
I don't happen to be the one in a fancy tailored coat. Was it a nice purchase? Did you admire yourself before the mirror? Most certainly you did.
I am as interested in assets as I would be in the mortals I so deride, which is not at all. What I'm interested in is being my own judge, to be judged only by peers who are stuck in the same cage of immortality that I am. You can call this a community, if you'd like, but we are hardly co-residents in an impoverished complex who bake each other cookies and pass the sugar. Our community is passionate and violent, the lengths and breadths of which exceed The State from which I originated, or any others like it.
The so-called others who may feel the impact of my actions? How much time do you spend on the impact you have to the bacteria residing on your jacket?
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Anslo
Scope Works
21243
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:39:43 -
[68] - Quote
You're kind of a doucher dude.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
71
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:46:22 -
[69] - Quote
Cultural victory.
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Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:47:19 -
[70] - Quote
What culture?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 17:58:00 -
[71] - Quote
Anslo wrote:What culture?
The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here... |
Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:04:15 -
[72] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Anslo wrote:What culture? The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here...
You. I like you. You want a job?
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:11:51 -
[73] - Quote
Anslo wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Anslo wrote:What culture? The "I'm immortal so long as CONCORD dosen't push a button and kill me, theirfore I am a God" culture. I believe we have seen this crop up a number of times here... You. I like you. You want a job?
I may be open fo employment at the moment. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21244
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:14:02 -
[74] - Quote
We'll talk.
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:27:58 -
[75] - Quote
Anslo wrote:
You. I like you. You want a job?
Wow Mister Anslo! How do you manage to maintain your journalistic integrity and still recruit potential journalists from the street? You just give out jobs like they are going out of style!
You must be a really good boss! |
Anslo
Scope Works
21246
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:28:32 -
[76] - Quote
No I am the worst CEO ever
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:34:47 -
[77] - Quote
And modest too! Amazing! No wonder Mister Yaken works for you. |
Anslo
Scope Works
21246
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:35:32 -
[78] - Quote
No I'm not joking I am literally the single worst CEO to ever CEO what the hell I don't even
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
64
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:47:15 -
[79] - Quote
Anslo wrote:No I'm not joking I am literally the single worst CEO to ever CEO what the hell I don't even
well, this promises to be an entertaining excursion already....  |
Anslo
Scope Works
21250
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Posted - 2014.11.13 18:50:20 -
[80] - Quote
Oh Gods
[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4138
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:41:12 -
[81] - Quote
Jvpiter wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Are you no more than the sum of your assets? How sad.
Our legacies are more than isk and objects. They reside in our contributions to the wider community. Pieter, I don't happen to be the one in a fancy tailored coat. Was it a nice purchase? Did you admire yourself before the mirror? Most certainly you did. I am as interested in assets as I would be in the mortals I so deride, which is not at all. What I'm interested in is being my own judge, to be judged only by peers who are stuck in the same cage of immortality that I am. You can call this a community, if you'd like, but we are hardly co-residents in an impoverished complex who bake each other cookies and pass the sugar. Our community is passionate and violent, the lengths and breadths of which exceed The State from which I originated, or any others like it. The so-called others who may feel the impact of my actions? How much time do you spend on the impact you have to the bacteria residing on your jacket?
It was an excellent purchase, very expensive but worth every isk. I bought it because, not only is the tailoring flattering, but my wife likes the way I look in it. The community of my fellow combat-pilots have also been complimentary and I enjoy the nods of recognition and respect that it brings when I walk amongst my fellow citizens.
I regularly cook for my wife, amusingly enough. I do not do this because we are too poor to afford an Executive Chef, but for other reasons that are, perhaps, incomprehensible or unnatural to you. I am aware that I am life and death to thousands - simply looking at those I employ directly or command, indirectly. In the past I have brought an ugly and violent death to many - the crews of well over a thousand capsuleer piloted ships - I like to think I have preserved more life than I have stolen, but there are dark nights when I'm no longer sure. Every single one of both sets of people have mattered - from the pirates right through to the Federal Navy crews.
What was your point?
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Jvpiter
Jovelike
73
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:53:10 -
[82] - Quote
Pieter,
Indeed, cooking is incomprehensible to me. The liquid I inject directly into my bloodstream cycles across my taste buds, vestigial organs to me, and it tastes vaguely coppery. I often stare at the same metal bulkhead during my daily nutrition intake ritual.
There is a certain warmth to the way you describe what might be a bonding moment with your family. I find it to be a fascinating mental picture. I will contemplate upon your opinion, and educate myself further of this side of life to which I have no exposure.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4138
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Posted - 2014.11.13 19:54:40 -
[83] - Quote
Jvpiter wrote:
Pieter,
Indeed, cooking is incomprehensible to me. The liquid I inject directly into my bloodstream cycles across my taste buds, vestigial organs to me, and it tastes vaguely coppery. I often stare at the same metal bulkhead during my daily nutrition intake ritual.
There is a certain warmth to the way you describe what might be a bonding moment with your family. I find it to be a fascinating mental picture. I will contemplate upon your opinion, and educate myself further of this side of life to which I have no exposure.
As a tubeborn creche-child, I have had to learn almost every aspect of family life as I go. I've found the effort rewarding, in my particular situation. It is also true that it provides great motivation and inspiration in times of difficulty.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
42
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:14:03 -
[84] - Quote
Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. |
Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.11.13 20:56:44 -
[85] - Quote
Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people.
to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
4140
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Posted - 2014.11.14 05:11:30 -
[86] - Quote
Tyrel Toov wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments...
I call those moments "Life"
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Tyrel Toov
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
65
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Posted - 2014.11.14 05:17:15 -
[87] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Just pick a family with care. There are... interesting consequences if you misjudge people. to say the least. and even if you judge correctly there will still be, uh, moments... I call those moments "Life"
Lifes a ***** sometimes...... |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
349
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:13:33 -
[88] - Quote
Pilot Jvpiter,
I've been observing your responses in the various threads on this forum for a few days now, and I must comment, I find your choice of naming for your personal corporation, as well as your fairly blunt reference to the same earlier in this topic, to be rather odd.
You appear to idolize and aspire to emulate the Jove rather then "normal" human beings, but the qualities you seem to espouse as indicative of your inherent superiority to others and your elevation towards "Godhood" - Your lack of empathy and apparent pride in the killing of others, your self-centric worldview, your lack of interest in mortal pleasures - Are, with the possible exception of the third, ones they would very likely hold in considerable contempt.
From all we know about them, the Jove were a very community oriented society, particularly in their later years. Individuals would be encouraged to and quite freely sacrifice themselves, even in ways their myriad means of achieving functional immortality could not reverse, in order the combat the obstacles of their community as a whole, most recently the disease ravaging their society. Further, vicious or unsociably selfish behaviour was extremely discouraged, and much the ability to perform it was even genetically removed. I'm certain you've heard of the Academy of Aggressive Behaviour.
And of course, numerous sources (most obviously the fact that we have the hydrostatic Capsule and modern cloning at all) suggest they had no cultural imperative towards hoarding their advantages for themselves so that they might sneer at lesser "foreign" beings in contempt. Rather, it seems the inverse was true. Especially amongst their own kind, but even beyond that, they sought to bring unison in being and supreme quality of life to all... Which seems to be quite the opposite of your own attitude towards baseliners.
In short, if copying their success is your goal, you are doing a frankly poor job of it.
As a bit of friendly advice, I would suggest you revise your attitude a little and perhaps aim to gain some humility. Try to, as you perceive it, to lower yourself to the levels of others occasionally, and consider the impact you make in the communities all around as you go about your business. You never know. You might find it brings you advantages, or if nothing else, is surprisingly fulfilling.
You are a novice - Or I presume so, considering your ID - and I see many individuals with your attitude amongst novices, so it is understandable you feel the way you do. But you should beware. You seem very confident in your immortality, but to be quite frank, I have observed that the pilots who make the least friends and are the most certain of their eternity find it to be quite uncharacteristically short.
If not from the hands of others, then their own. And if that does make sense to you already, then it soon will. |
Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
90
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:46:40 -
[89] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:As a tubeborn creche-child, I have had to learn almost every aspect of family life as I go. I've found the effort rewarding, in my particular situation. It is also true that it provides great motivation and inspiration in times of difficulty. He is the best big little cousin ever.
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:I must comment.
As a bit of friendly advice, I would suggest you revise your attitude a little and perhaps aim to gain some humility. Is that so? |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
349
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Posted - 2014.11.14 06:56:05 -
[90] - Quote
Kohiko Sun wrote:Is that so?
Miss Sun,
If you wish to be critical of my rant, please say it plainly; I am young, and too stupid to understand subtle jabs. |
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Kohiko Sun
Stormcrows
90
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Posted - 2014.11.14 07:05:06 -
[91] - Quote
As you say. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
1414
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Posted - 2014.11.14 11:54:09 -
[92] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:Kohiko Sun wrote:Is that so? Miss Sun, If you wish to be critical of my rant, please say it plainly. I am young, and too stupid to understand subtle jabs.
Ms. Ikiryo,
There is a simple way to reply on subtle jabs with not subtle jab. There is an easy technique to execute it. At first, keep your body and arms loose, do not prepare to jab in any way. Weave your arms slightly and make them tense only during the impact. Do not be ready to hit, so your opponent won't be able to read you and defend against you. Try not to twitch and behave normally. Remember, that the head is the bone, and if you hit into wrong side of it (or they tilt it down, so you hit the forehead), you will just break your own hand. During the jab do not try to make it powerful, but make it rather fast. Move your hand not to your target, but through target. Imagine, that there is no target, that it is a hologram and you need to put your hand through as fast as possible. Release your hand as a spring and move your whole body forward. Do it as fast as you can. The kinetic energy is equal to mass multiplied by speed squared, thus the faster you will execute it, the more energy your jab will have. Any object grabbed into fist will increase the energy as well. Try to not give your intention to jab and do it fast, so they would feel it before they see it. You can practice it on a pillow.
And go for the nose, it quickly teaches them to stop verbal jabs. |
Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox
Low-Class
353
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:40:52 -
[93] - Quote
Er, thanks, Diana. |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
79
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Posted - 2014.11.14 12:55:43 -
[94] - Quote
Gwen Ikiryo wrote:
~observations~
Gwen,
Your feedback is thought provoking, and I can see it is provided with candor.
I am certainly quite transparent in what I feel is my own personal progression towards a higher truth. Godlike is a dead word to me, as we exist in the complete absence of God, and so I form a different word, a word that refers to the people who are what God truly is, at the end of it all:
An advanced life form.
I have no desire for hedonism or nihilism, and frankly I do not sufficiently comprehend either. But I do understand what you are saying about my youth and my hubris. Pride does indeed come before the fall.
I will heed your word and temper my disposition. And perhaps I will better understand what it means to build bridges and relationships.
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Wendrika Hydreiga
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
90
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Posted - 2014.11.14 13:32:01 -
[95] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:*martial arts theory described in great detail*
Oh Miss Kim, you're so clueless at times!
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
206
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:25:11 -
[96] - Quote
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well.
Sadly, Mr, Tuulinen, she is apparently quite dead as Jaina Deritan's current corporation designation is Doomheim.
A tragic stupid mess.
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Anja Suorsa
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:33:06 -
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This thread is still alive. Why? |
Jvpiter
Jovelike
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Posted - 2014.11.14 14:47:06 -
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Anja Suorsa wrote:This thread is still alive. Why?
Too soon for this joke.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
Imperial Outlaws.
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:02:31 -
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Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Tyrel Toov wrote:well, shes dead now. Shows over people. last I checked capusleers cant pop clone out of pod. we can all go back to our daily squabbles. You're forgetting softcloning technology, I'm afraid. I once killed Diana Kim with my own hands to find she had actually beaten me back to the Summit channel when I checked my Neocom as I undocked to avoid the paperwork. The daughter in this drama could quite easily be alive and well. Sadly, Mr, Tuulinen, she is apparently quite dead as Jaina Deritan's current corporation designation is Doomheim. A tragic stupid mess.
Wow. That is QUITE the teenage rebellion, isn't it? I wish I'd known her sufficiently well to feel her departure as a loss, as it seems very few other people will.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Mizhara Del'thul
Sarz'namarr
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Posted - 2014.11.14 17:04:41 -
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Heh. Good start. |
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